Production already underway for Apple's new 4-inch 'iPhone 6c' - report

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  • Reply 61 of 70
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    tenly said:

    This distinction only exists in software. Apple could issue a watchOS update tomorrow that would magically turn Force Touch into 3D Touch or vice-versa. 
    Obviously it's similar technology - and obviously 3D Touch could be used as if it were Force Touch (no firmware update required) - but Force Touch can't be made to emulate 3D Touch without replacing the hardware.  It's why the 2 features have different names.  Did you think Apple just changed their minds about what to call the feature in the few months between the watch and the iPhone rollouts?  lol
    I'm also waiting to see the evidence you produce for the request @foggyhill ;made!  (Or in lieu of that, perhaps an "I'm sorry.  I was wrong" post...)
    3D Touch is simply Force Touch with an additional level of sensitivity. 
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  • Reply 62 of 70
    tenlytenly Posts: 710member
    tenly said:
    Obviously it's similar technology - and obviously 3D Touch could be used as if it were Force Touch (no firmware update required) - but Force Touch can't be made to emulate 3D Touch without replacing the hardware.  It's why the 2 features have different names.  Did you think Apple just changed their minds about what to call the feature in the few months between the watch and the iPhone rollouts?  lol
    I'm also waiting to see the evidence you produce for the request @foggyhill ;made!  (Or in lieu of that, perhaps an "I'm sorry.  I was wrong" post...)
    3D Touch is simply Force Touch with an additional level of sensitivity. 
    It's a different feature with a different name and different capabilities.  What are we arguing about?
    The original poster claimed the main feature of the iPhone 6s was Force Touch.  Even if the underlying technology was identical (and it's not), he'd still be wrong because the feature was called 3D Touch on the 6s.  But apparently it's a good thing I called it out since there seem to be quite a few of you whom didn't understand the differences.  You're welcome!  I'm happy to help clear things up for you!
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  • Reply 63 of 70
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,943moderator
    cnocbui said:
    oakhammd said:

    If you wish for anyone to read your comments, may I suggest that you break it up into smaller paragraphs. Very difficult to read.
    The problem is the forums crap software.
    Use the tool at the top, if necessary to enter your comment without formatting on, but before submitting your comment, toggle that tool back to formatted mode to get the editor to retain your paragraph breaks.  
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  • Reply 64 of 70
    clemynxclemynx Posts: 1,552member
    I'm more and more convinced that what Android does with on-screen buttons is the best idea. Sure, minimal buttons is better... until the home button does too many things : click for home, double click for multitasking, double tap for reachability, press and hold for Siri, double click on lock screen for Apple Pay, triple click for accessibility... this is absurd and the opposite of simple! If Apple embeds the fingerprint scanner into the screen, having the sole home button down in the middle and nothing one the sides would be a waste of space. Adding a back button like in iOS 9 but on the bottom as well as a multitasking button is the best they can do. Anyone think the same?
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  • Reply 65 of 70
    Apple is beginning to be do the opposite of what the iPhone buyers want!  

    In emerging markets, they want a big phone because it as their computer too!  In developed countries, the rich iPhone users want an 4" wide screen model for compactness and feature rich with the latest cutting edge technology inside!  Apple now is doing the opposite and will market the U.S. version as a "budget" iPhone, aim at poor people!  LOL!
    edited January 2016
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  • Reply 66 of 70
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,454member
    Apple is beginning to be do the opposite of what the iPhone buyers want!  

    In emerging markets, they want a big phone because it as their computer too!  
    People keep stating this. Do you happen to have a link to something you've read that details this phenomenon? A study of emerging mobile phone use trends among the upper-middle class in emerging countries, perhaps?
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    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    mac_128 said:
    Apple is beginning to be do the opposite of what the iPhone buyers want!  

    In emerging markets, they want a big phone because it as their computer too!  
    People keep stating this. Do you happen to have a link to something you've read that details this phenomenon? A study of emerging mobile phone use trends among the upper-middle class in emerging countries, perhaps?
    Here is one:


    Chinese demand for Apple's big-screen phones fuel sales growth EASIER TO WRITE IN CHINESE Chinese customers gravitated naturally to the bigger screen size, as it makes it easier to input Chinese characters with a finger or stylus on the screen and is more effective for video.

    For many Chinese, the phone is also the first, the most important, or even the only computing device they own.

    "People just use them for more, and therefore appreciate the bigger screen," said Frank Gillett, an analyst at technology research firm Forrester. Chinese customers tend to do their computing on-the-go or at various locations, partly due to patchy broadband availability at home, and is truly a 'mobile-first' tech culture, said Gillett, which puts extra value on the phone.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-china-insight-idUSKBN0NK00720150429
    edited January 2016
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  • Reply 68 of 70
    tenly said:

    This distinction only exists in software. Apple could issue a watchOS update tomorrow that would magically turn Force Touch into 3D Touch or vice-versa. 
    Obviously it's similar technology - and obviously 3D Touch could be used as if it were Force Touch (no firmware update required) - but Force Touch can't be made to emulate 3D Touch without replacing the hardware.  It's why the 2 features have different names.  Did you think Apple just changed their minds about what to call the feature in the few months between the watch and the iPhone rollouts?  lol
    I'm also waiting to see the evidence you produce for the request @foggyhill ;made!  (Or in lieu of that, perhaps an "I'm sorry.  I was wrong" post...)
    I'm typing this on a 12" rMB with a Force Touch trackpad and I assure you that it behaves *exactly* like 3D touch on my 6s in that it senses how hard I'm pressing. If I select a word and then press down a little bit, a "bubble" begins to appear with the definition of the word. It doesn't just show up though, it "expands" like a balloon the harder I press. If I relent on the pressure just a bit, it contracts just a bit. When I've finally pressed hard enough, it "pops" open. It's pretty much exactly like the 3d Touch Peek and Pop gestures on the phone. If these two technologies are different in anything other than the name, then I have no idea how they differ. 
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  • Reply 69 of 70
    joshajosha Posts: 901member
    cnocbui said:
    But emerging markets don't want a small screened phone, they want a large screen because the phone is a do-everything device.  That is why Samsung phablets were such a run away success.  within the last week I exchanged messages with someone wherein I suggested they do something on a PC because similar software was not available on a mobile platform.  They replied they only had a phone and didn't really know anyone who had a PC.  Think they were in India.

    This is more a device suited to developed markets for people who don't want an S6 sized phone.
    Yes I agree with your comment on the desired iPhone size in less developed countries.

    But also Apple needs a price adjustment in many countries facing too high an iPhone price as a result of the very high USA$.
    Here in CDA the bottom end iPhone6 16GB is $900.  Far too much for a 2yr contract  phone.
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  • Reply 70 of 70
    tenlytenly Posts: 710member
    tenly said:
    Obviously it's similar technology - and obviously 3D Touch could be used as if it were Force Touch (no firmware update required) - but Force Touch can't be made to emulate 3D Touch without replacing the hardware.  It's why the 2 features have different names.  Did you think Apple just changed their minds about what to call the feature in the few months between the watch and the iPhone rollouts?  lol
    I'm also waiting to see the evidence you produce for the request @foggyhill made!  (Or in lieu of that, perhaps an "I'm sorry.  I was wrong" post...)
    I'm typing this on a 12" rMB with a Force Touch trackpad and I assure you that it behaves *exactly* like 3D touch on my 6s in that it senses how hard I'm pressing. If I select a word and then press down a little bit, a "bubble" begins to appear with the definition of the word. It doesn't just show up though, it "expands" like a balloon the harder I press. If I relent on the pressure just a bit, it contracts just a bit. When I've finally pressed hard enough, it "pops" open. It's pretty much exactly like the 3d Touch Peek and Pop gestures on the phone. If these two technologies are different in anything other than the name, then I have no idea how they differ. 
    I don't understand why you people just insist on arguing when it's so very easy to look up.  A simple google search will return dozens of articles explaining the difference.

    Here's one of them.  There are several differences - but the most important difference is that @foggyhill ; and I have been right all along and those of you that have argued with us and (ahem) "corrected" us - have been wrong.

    http://www.redmondpie.com/apples-3d-touch-vs-force-touch-vs-multi-touch-compared/

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