LG, Samsung head to market with new Android flagship candidates

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  • Reply 21 of 51
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,053member
    Lies - Seriously I didnt realise AppleInsider is maintained by some sore liars.

     Dont lie and spread false information on technology to suit your needs.

     More Memory == Better performance. Apple's best laptops have 16 GB of memory, it doesnt affect battery. Iphone 6 plus (just 1 GB of RAM) was horrible after recently update due to lack of memory. One of major benefits on going to 64bit is basically to use more than 3 GB of RAM. 

    Single core speed means nothing all modern OSes are most efficient in multi tasking and most apps use multi threads. Exynos of last generation has beats A9 by 30% in Processing. Actually Apple A9 is slower than 820, 810, Eynos (last gen, new gen benchmark not available) and even cheap Mediatek Helios.

    Modern SD cards have equivalent speeds to any flash memory and cost pennies per GB. Failure of these cards are extremely rare. 90MB/s read and 80MB/s write is what an average SD card can do.For comparison, Iphone 6 Plus had 82 MB/s write speed a year ago. Nexus 6 actually has a 32MB/s write and still does good. And mind you these same cards are used in all professional cameras/ camcorders, if it enough for them SD cards are more than enough for phones.

     And did you forget to mention Android 6 (Oct 2015), started supporting SD cards as equivalent of internal storage.. which is a huge deal.
    1 post is irrelevant. 
    Why? He's a troller.
    You know how Exynos cores work? 1/2 number of cores at a time. These cores do not have equal processing powers. 
    Yes, more memory (you mean RAM) == better performance, BUT if it runs the same operating system and hardware. Android is fucking memory hunger due to garbage collection and java while iOS is more efficient for the tasks. If you need more information on that, I can point you a website that tested that.
    If you say SD card is as equivalent as internal storage, you must be smoking something very heavy too early in the day. So, do me a favor, shut the fuck up. You don't know what you're talking about.
    edited February 2016 donth8WiseGuyRayz20161983ericthehalfbeeredgeminipaicoco3
  • Reply 22 of 51
    Anandtech already ran a couple benchmarks on the Exynos versions. Very slightly faster than the 6S in the two GPU tests while the 6S is significantly faster in the two browser based CPU tests they ran. But this quote from Anand really sums it up:

    "One observation I made today which was particularly concerning, was that both with the Snapdragon 820 LG G5 as well as the Exynos 8890 Galaxy S7 got considerably warm after running some heavy workloads. The fact that the Galaxy S7 touts having a heat-pipe thermal dissipation system is a quite worrying characteristic of the phone and should in no way be seen as a positive feature as it points to high power draw figures on the part of the SoC."

    No kidding. Seeing all the Android fans thinking a heat pipe is a great high-tech way to dissipate heat is hilarious. You don't need a heat-pipe if you're not generating heat. And these are supposed to be the "next big thing" in custom (or more likely, semi-custom based on A57 ARM) 64bit cores from Samsung and Qualcomm?

    And the LG G5 not having a backup supply so you can hot-swap your batteries (seriously, the device restarts when you swap the battery)? Which also means it will restart when you "swap" the camera module or the DAC. What's the point?

    Speaking of the G5 DAC, again, what's the point? Much better to just get a set of headphones with their own DAC that connect digitally to your phone or an external DAC/amplifier (if you're serious about the quality you'll probably already have these and don't need a quality DAC on your phone).


    The only thing I see that Samsung did that was smart is to lower the MP count on the camera, but make the pixels larger for better low-light performance. That's a worthwhile upgrade.
    He ran a bunch of browser tests on a pre release phone, and did mention Chrome didn't recognize Graphics engine and hence lower scores as it is pre release. And he couldn't even test 820 on Samsung. Wait for the actual devices before rushing to conclude.

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/10075/early-exynos-8890-impressions

    Two posts to prove to everyone that you're the liar. And an idiotic troll to boot.

    He ran two browser tests (which I already stated - guess you don't know how to read) and two GFXBench tests.

    And I see you want to avoid discussing the heat pipe and thermal issues. The only time the 8890 or 820 will beat the A9 is the first 60 seconds, until they throttle from overheating. And that's on GPU. On the CPU side they don't stand a chance.
    donth8netmageredgeminipaicoco3cornchippatchythepirate
  • Reply 23 of 51
    It's likely smartphone manufacturers are running out of useful features to add to smartphones. I would think most consumers would be happy with minor improvements from year to year. It's only tech-heads who are asking for some futuristic improvements in smartphones every year. It might be nice to have thin, indestructible smartphones and batteries that last for days, but it's highly unlikely that's going to happen any time in the near future. No tech products take those types of leaps and can still be affordable by the masses. I'm curious as to what features a "show-stopping" smartphone might have. Most high-end smartphones are pretty impressive to me. I'm sure smartphones in general lead the tech industry in yearly tech advancements.
    cornchip
  • Reply 24 of 51
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    He ran a bunch of browser tests on a pre release phone, and did mention Chrome didn't recognize Graphics engine and hence lower scores as it is pre release. And he couldn't even test 820 on Samsung. Wait for the actual devices before rushing to conclude.


    WHA? WUSSAT? CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF BACON SIZZLING ON THE BACK OF MY NEW SAMSUNG!
    WiseGuyredgeminipacornchip
  • Reply 25 of 51
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    It's likely smartphone manufacturers are running out of useful features to add to smartphones. I would think most consumers would be happy with minor improvements from year to year. It's only tech-heads who are asking for some futuristic improvements in smartphones every year. It might be nice to have thin, indestructible smartphones and batteries that last for days, but it's highly unlikely that's going to happen any time in the near future. No tech products take those types of leaps and can still be affordable by the masses. I'm curious as to what features a "show-stopping" smartphone might have. Most high-end smartphones are pretty impressive to me. I'm sure smartphones in general lead the tech industry in yearly tech advancements.

    Well, that is the truth of it I'm afraid. I'm not sure what new feature would encourage me to stump up for a new iPhone this year, but I'm always ready (with my credit card) to be proved wrong :-/

    cornchip
  • Reply 26 of 51
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    And welcome to our new and painfully insecure first-timers from the Android camp! Come in! Pull up a seat and watch the upholstery while you're foaming at the mouth.
    netmageredgeminipaicoco3cornchip
  • Reply 27 of 51
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    He ran a bunch of browser tests on a pre release phone, and did mention Chrome didn't recognize Graphics engine and hence lower scores as it is pre release. And he couldn't even test 820 on Samsung. Wait for the actual devices before rushing to conclude.

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/10075/early-exynos-8890-impressions

    Two posts to prove to everyone that you're the liar. And an idiotic troll to boot.

    He ran two browser tests (which I already stated - guess you don't know how to read) and two GFXBench tests.

    And I see you want to avoid discussing the heat pipe and thermal issues. The only time the 8890 or 820 will beat the A9 is the first 60 seconds, until they throttle from overheating. And that's on GPU. On the CPU side they don't stand a chance.
    Have you considered that Samsung may have taken the opportunity to terminate the heat pipe to the aluminium chassis?  That is what I would have done to increase it's effectiveness.  Having the outside of the phone heat up quickly may actually be a good sign, indicating the pipe is doing it's job.  Much better than letting the interior of the phone soak in heat. What Anandtech might be observing is the successful result of such a strategy.  We really should wait for them to do to a proper analysis.  My bet is it won't throttle.


  • Reply 28 of 51
    Rayz2016 said:
    And welcome to our new and painfully insecure first-timers from the Android camp! Come in! Pull up a seat and watch the upholstery while you're foaming at the mouth.
    They will fit in well with the painfully   insecure old timers  (from both camps)
    cnocbui
  • Reply 29 of 51
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Micro-USB, really Samsung? I'd quit the iPhone if Apple switched to micro-USB.
    netmagecornchip
  • Reply 30 of 51
    Looks like a couple of pretty nice Samsung phones to me. I would say they are a decent evolution, but perhaps what the S6 and S6 Edge should have been in the first place. 

    Waterproofing and expandable storage are two things I would love to see Apple include in their iPhone/iPad lineups.
    1983singularity
  • Reply 31 of 51
    I love my iPhone 6S but I am happy if competition releases a good device. Quite frankly I am a bit disappointed by the new Android devices, except for the improvements made around the camera and VR.

    Improvements, even if made by competition, mean progress and, if superior, a benchmark for Apple to beat and an incentive to innovate. I am looking at the f/1.7 camera with the increased sensor size (and RAW support in Android), which now has to be beat by Apple with their next product.

    I absolutely hate biased articles where in each paragraph the author feels the need to justify why [insert favourite brand] is so much better. If Apple were to introduce 4GB of RAM, there would be no word of energy drain but praise how awesome Apple is. This sounds like a schoolboy who needs to tell his friends why his toy is still the best, although it is not the newest anymore.

    Please, leave it be, and criticize and praise where accurate. This will only leverage your credibility 
    cnocbuisingularity1983techlovernetmage
  • Reply 32 of 51
    After all of this time the Samsung flagship remains visually similar (both in software and hardware) than the Apple offering. They've squandered all of this time to actually create their own product, instead of me-too'ing from Apple's design.
    Have you seen the pics of the Edge next to the iphone? Obviously the main difference is the rounded edge on the screen but the thinner bezels mean it's physically smaller and in my opinion, more attractive. Which aspect of the design do you think is copied from the iphone besides that it's a rectangle?
    singularity
  • Reply 33 of 51
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    This article forgot to mention the 3000 mah battery of the s7 and the 3600 mah battery of the s7 edge
    I can assure you it didn't 'forget.'
    singularityicoco3staticx57
  • Reply 34 of 51
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    ireland said:
    Micro-USB, really Samsung? I'd quit the iPhone if Apple switched to micro-USB.
    No you wouldn't.
    singularitystaticx57
  • Reply 35 of 51
    Anandtech already ran a couple benchmarks on the Exynos versions. Very slightly faster than the 6S in the two GPU tests while the 6S is significantly faster in the two browser based CPU tests they ran. But this quote from Anand really sums it up:

    "One observation I made today which was particularly concerning, was that both with the Snapdragon 820 LG G5 as well as the Exynos 8890 Galaxy S7 got considerably warm after running some heavy workloads. The fact that the Galaxy S7 touts having a heat-pipe thermal dissipation system is a quite worrying characteristic of the phone and should in no way be seen as a positive feature as it points to high power draw figures on the part of the SoC."

    No kidding. Seeing all the Android fans thinking a heat pipe is a great high-tech way to dissipate heat is hilarious. You don't need a heat-pipe if you're not generating heat. And these are supposed to be the "next big thing" in custom (or more likely, semi-custom based on A57 ARM) 64bit cores from Samsung and Qualcomm?

    And the LG G5 not having a backup supply so you can hot-swap your batteries (seriously, the device restarts when you swap the battery)? Which also means it will restart when you "swap" the camera module or the DAC. What's the point?

    Speaking of the G5 DAC, again, what's the point? Much better to just get a set of headphones with their own DAC that connect digitally to your phone or an external DAC/amplifier (if you're serious about the quality you'll probably already have these and don't need a quality DAC on your phone).


    The only thing I see that Samsung did that was smart is to lower the MP count on the camera, but make the pixels larger for better low-light performance. That's a worthwhile upgrade.
    Tech sites are having orgasms over these new phones. Unless Apple has something coming out soon to change the debate my guess is the spring will be mostly about tech sites proclaiming the death of iPhone and how Apple really needs to up its game with iPhone 7.
    cornchip
  • Reply 36 of 51
    Samsung shamelessly duplicates the iPhone 6s design. I understand it is a tactic but I would rather fail with a design of my own than copy like this. Either way I am not sure the Samsung device will impact things much. It was refreshing to see (as LG often does) LG at least attempt to change things up a bit. Not sure how all of this will fare but A for effort anyway. It would also be nice for comments to state a view/opinion and move on. Quit loading the comments section with back and forth arguements.
    redgeminipa
  • Reply 37 of 51
    19831983 Posts: 1,225member
    entropys said:
    So would the iPhone 7 dual camera look like the LG one I wonder?

    must say the Samsung isn't that intesting except for the camera which sounds pretty good. Nice aperture indeed. But I wonder if the LG camera is ultimately better? Allowing for software of course.  

    Wher the LG suffers is that lame attachment system that ultimately is a huge amount of design time for something that will little used, requires attachments specifically designed for a phone tha it's an afterthought in the market. Maybe the thought was extra revenue for LG? Can't see it happening.
    Still find it a more interesting proposition than the latest Samsung.
  • Reply 38 of 51
    Perhaps I did. Clarify?
    The OP is saying that the S7 looks like the iPhone, and that Samsung squandered an opportunity to make something other than a 'me too' device. 
    That's not how I read it -- it was a bit confusingly worded -- but if that's what he meant, then I am in complete agreement with him/you!
  • Reply 39 of 51
    maestro64 said:
    Actually the only NAND today that has endurance of 100K cycles is SLC which is not used in phone or SD card, they all use the lower cost MLC and it is  more like 1500 cycles and heading to about 300. Also the faster you write to the card the worse the endurance becomes. I spent a lot of time with my job working with the technology and know the downside since we were consider using to for real time video recording, NAND does not hold up and it has nothing to do with the camera or ESD. The point about MircoSD cards is  the fact they are not the same quality of the NAND Apple is using inside the phone. The lowest quality NAND is used in SD and MircoSD cards, that is a fact. Yeah you can get better quality going to Class 10 certify SD cards, but consumer are not going to spend the money they going to use the cheapest memory they can find and expect it to work flawlessly. This was the issue we ran into, could not guaranty the consumer would spend the money and buy the right SD cards to guaranty performance. 

    Lastly, there is no NAND memory support 312 Mbytes/sec do you know how much data that is 2.4Gbits/sec. Most HD video is only streaming at 10 to 20 Mb/s That is Mbits/sec not Bytes. even if you meant bits not Bytes. Also it not the read speed that is the issue it is the write speed, and writing is far slower than reading and it get worse with time as the device is used over and over again the wear leveling algorithm slows things down even further.


    >the only NAND today that has endurance of 100K cycles is SLC which is not used in phone or SD card, they all use the lower cost MLC and it is  more like 1500 cycles and heading to about 300. 
    Try closer to 10,000 and up. True though, and SD cards tend to be MLC, sometimes TLC. CompactFlash and SD/SDHC cards are designed to transparently map out cells that go bad, or in some cases when they reach a predefined limit, to increase longevity. They're rated at 10-year odle data retention.


    >Also the faster you write to the card the worse the endurance becomes.
    I heard this myth years ago when SSDs were just becoming a thing, there's no evidence for it being the case. Are you referring to garbage collection? In which case yes, lack of it does cause very bad performance degradation. If you're curious, iOS doesn't support TRIM and Apple only introduced it for 3rd-party SSDs with El Capitan.

    >
    you can get better quality going to Class 10 certify SD cards
    Class is nothing to do with quality of the NAND, it's speed. You can get some mighty shit class 10s, but the faster are currently the UHS class 1 and 3 (which is confusing, I know, considering Class 2 was previously the slowest)

    >The point about MircoSD cards is  the fact they are not the same quality of the NAND Apple is using inside the phone.
    Apple uses MLC for its NAND in iPhones, and from the 6 and owards some used TLC. I don't think Apple considers it something worth talking about, as it's likely to make little difference to the end user and if you only use your phone a year, it's not likely to make a difference either way. If you jailbreak your iPhone, you can check your bits per cell and determine if it's TLC or MLC. Apple does not use SLC, and has little reason to. It's enterprise-class, with the longest data retention and looking at Amazon, 32GB SLC SSDs still cost upwards of $300.

    >there is no NAND memory support 312 Mbytes/sec
    Absolute bull. The reason SATA3 became a thing was to break the 3.0Gb/s cap, and many consumer SSDs are reaching into the 500MB/s and above.
    netmageicoco3
  • Reply 40 of 51
    19831983 Posts: 1,225member
    maxxe2 said:
    I love my iPhone 6S but I am happy if competition releases a good device. Quite frankly I am a bit disappointed by the new Android devices, except for the improvements made around the camera and VR.

    Improvements, even if made by competition, mean progress and, if superior, a benchmark for Apple to beat and an incentive to innovate. I am looking at the f/1.7 camera with the increased sensor size (and RAW support in Android), which now has to be beat by Apple with their next product.

    I absolutely hate biased articles where in each paragraph the author feels the need to justify why [insert favourite brand] is so much better. If Apple were to introduce 4GB of RAM, there would be no word of energy drain but praise how awesome Apple is. This sounds like a schoolboy who needs to tell his friends why his toy is still the best, although it is not the newest anymore.

    Please, leave it be, and criticize and praise where accurate. This will only leverage your credibility 
    Exactly! This guy's articles are often like this.
    netmagesingularitycnocbui
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