FBI issues safety warning to auto makers on vehicle software security

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  • Reply 21 of 42
    FBI Comey idiot is petitioning the court under the All Writs Act to force automakers to install golden hatchgates in all new cars. 
    jbdragoncornchip
  • Reply 22 of 42
    postmanpostman Posts: 35member
    In George Orwell's 1984 he refers to this type of two-faced communication by the FBI as "Doublespeak". You know, saying one thing but essentially meaning the opposite. This latest 'warning' regarding car security is but the latest example. The FBI is defining a problem while working to take away the very tools (encryption) that would allow a solution.

    Are the FBI simply hypocrites, technologically incompetent, or maybe the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing? 

    It appears FBI director James Comey has turned the FBI into a politically agenda driven organization, instead of a law enforcement investigator. I believe he is an authoritarian zealot masquerading as a law enforcement bureaucrat. When Comey states that 'this is the hardest thing he's ever done', I would take that literally – it is indeed very hard to get your way in Washington and convince Congress to make new law. Mr. Comey's entire agenda is to make his job (and law enforcement) easier. When he uses 'double-speak' and says things like "personal privacy and liberty are very important to me", what he really means is it is very important to him because the FBI wants unfettered access around it. George Orwell is turning over in his grave.
    edited March 2016 baconstangtheunfetteredmindpalominejustadcomicspscooter63cornchip
  • Reply 23 of 42
    calicali Posts: 3,494member
    Trying to save their reputation. Pathetic.
  • Reply 24 of 42
    CMA102DLCMA102DL Posts: 121member
    Message from your friendly FBI:

    FBI urges you install the new version of iOS (also known as GovOS) once it becomes available. This will address the hacking issues... We will be pursuing other operating systems soon.
    edited March 2016
  • Reply 25 of 42
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    redefiler said:
    Considering the FBI's original mission was to stop bootleggers when they crossed state lines, shouldn't they just be eliminated and states' police allowed to share justification with interstate crime?

    The FBI has a terrible history, and their public reputation was crafted thru Hollywood productions (of which they've helped encourage or sponsor).  They suck at investigation, abysmal on active crime scenes, and almost completely redundant.  People complain about military spending, but we already enough layers of domestic law enforcement, let's save everyone a couple nickels and a lot hassle for these federal cops without a purpose.
    Even Mulder knew the FBI was dangerous, he was fighting it from the inside.
    jbdragon
  • Reply 26 of 42
    postmanpostman Posts: 35member
    The FBI wants to stop end-to end un-breakable encryption. But the FBI issues "warnings" to a problem that requires end-to-end unbreakable encryption to solve. Either the FBI are a bunch of technologically challenged bureaucrats, or two-faced liars.

    palominebaconstang
  • Reply 27 of 42
    baconstangbaconstang Posts: 1,103member
    postman said:
    The FBI wants to stop end-to end un-breakable encryption. But the FBI issues "warnings" to a problem that requires end-to-end unbreakable encryption to solve. Either the FBI are a bunch of technologically challenged bureaucrats, or two-faced liars.

    Most likely both.
  • Reply 28 of 42
    fracfrac Posts: 480member
    mac_128 said:
    Well thank god Apple will have something important to discuss at their "event" since the rumors so far about a 4" phone, iPad upgrade, and new watch bands, have been far from compelling ...


    I really hope Apple will be able to throw this tone-deaf move back at the government. 
    I doubt they'd mention this, it has no bearing on their trial despite the ironic juxtaposition of stories.
    Oh I dunno...there's a fair amount of ironic legal argument in their latest filing - and this really is a gift, even if offered as an points scoring aside. Here in the UK that sort of sparring is commonplace and not particularly frowned on
  • Reply 29 of 42
    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,654member
    mac_128 said:
    Well thank god Apple will have something important to discuss at their "event" since the rumors so far about a 4" phone, iPad upgrade, and new watch bands, have been far from compelling ...


    I really hope Apple will be able to throw this tone-deaf move back at the government. 
    I doubt they'd mention this, it has no bearing on their trial despite the ironic juxtaposition of stories.
    I think it's totally relevant.   Apple's case is that creating an OS that opens that phone to the FBI will create a way for hackers to do the same, thereby making all iPhones less secure and reducing our safety.   The hacking of a car does exactly the same thing.   Apple can say, "if we don't maintain the encryption and keep the phone secure, this is what can happen."   In fact, they can say, "The FBI is completely right - this is quite dangerous.   The way to solve this is to keep encryption."
  • Reply 30 of 42
    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,654member

    redefiler said:
    Considering the FBI's original mission was to stop bootleggers when they crossed state lines, shouldn't they just be eliminated and states' police allowed to share justification with interstate crime?

    The FBI has a terrible history, and their public reputation was crafted thru Hollywood productions (of which they've helped encourage or sponsor).  They suck at investigation, abysmal on active crime scenes, and almost completely redundant.  People complain about military spending, but we already enough layers of domestic law enforcement, let's save everyone a couple nickels and a lot hassle for these federal cops without a purpose.
    The FBI certainly has its flaws, but you think the State police do an equal or better job?   That's quite a joke.   
  • Reply 31 of 42
    zoetmb said:

    redefiler said:
    Considering the FBI's original mission was to stop bootleggers when they crossed state lines, shouldn't they just be eliminated and states' police allowed to share justification with interstate crime?

    The FBI has a terrible history, and their public reputation was crafted thru Hollywood productions (of which they've helped encourage or sponsor).  They suck at investigation, abysmal on active crime scenes, and almost completely redundant.  People complain about military spending, but we already enough layers of domestic law enforcement, let's save everyone a couple nickels and a lot hassle for these federal cops without a purpose.
    The FBI certainly has its flaws, but you think the State police do an equal or better job?   That's quite a joke.   
    Uh, yes. The state police do a better job. And they would do even better if they had the resources available to the FBI. 

    Defending an incompetent organization makes one think that you have direct links to it. 

    Obama is using the incident to justify breaking end to end encryption, and the FBI can't even make a compelling argument. 

    And they are now wanting the source code?!? Even if Apple hands it over to them, they still won't break in. 

    So this is what will happen. The FBI will subcontract the project out to a company like Samsung. The Koreans will hand over the key to the government and gain huge insight into the inner workings of iOS. And will use that key to break into a host of iPhones with the key ending up in the hands of the Russians, Chinese, Iranians and ISIS itself. Not to mention the North Koreans. Samsung would likely offer to perform the project for free just to gain access to the Crown Jewels of iOS. 

    The government could always give the project to Google or Microsoft, but breaking into protected software is a complicated undertaking that would be beyond the technical expertise of the FBI. 

    I am certain breaking the encryption would require access to the Lightning port. And the software could be integrated as a virus to infect Mac OS X, Windows, Chrome and Linux. Remote brute force attacks could be performed and any infected iPhone compromised, including the ones carried by high end administration officials of the CIA, NSA and FBI itself. 

    This is a very BAD idea and the FBI should be dissolved because of it. It exposes their utter and devastating incompetence. State police departments aren't setting up legal battles with Apple. The FBI is. 
  • Reply 32 of 42
    bigmikebigmike Posts: 266member
    Fear mongering
  • Reply 33 of 42
    yojimbo007yojimbo007 Posts: 1,165member
    Lol... Fbi tries to reduce security on our devices..yet turns around and warns people that car software are not secure enough? Lol
    dysamoriabaconstangcornchip
  • Reply 34 of 42
    CMA102DLCMA102DL Posts: 121member
    Lol... Fbi tries to reduce security on our devices..yet turns around and warns people that car software are not secure enough? Lol
    It is called job security.
  • Reply 35 of 42
    FBI starts PR war with Apple with goal of weakening security. 

    FBI dredges up year old exploit to admonish automakers to increase security. 

    FBI uses the 2nd item to look less extreme in trying to achieve the 1st item. 
    badmonk
  • Reply 36 of 42
    command_fcommand_f Posts: 421member
    This looks like a fruitful field for hackers to me, there is so much naivety out there. That the vehicle manufacturers would have the ICE (entertainment) system running on a processor with access to the vehicle's driving systems is pretty stupid.
    Then the (well-intentioned) FBI can seriously say (quoting from the link in the article): "The [vehicle] manufacturer and cell service provider have provided a remedy to mitigate the specific vulnerabilities. The manufacturer announced it would notify owners of vehicles affected by the recall and would mail them a USB drive containing the update and additional security features for the vehicle software."
    So next time you get an unsolicited USB stick in the mail, you're just going to use it to reprogram your car? Really? I'm no security expert but, please, listen when I say don't do it.
    edited March 2016
  • Reply 37 of 42
    CMA102DLCMA102DL Posts: 121member
    It is like the NSA prior to the most recent reorg. 1/2 was supposed to keep us safe by identifying and reporting zero day exploits to manufacturers (which they did not do). The other 1/2 was explicit about identifying zero day vulnerabilities, keeping them secret and using them to spy everyone and mount cyber attacks to foreign countries (this they did well). 1/2 of the government was funding TOR while the other 1/2 was trying to crack TOR and defeat it. At the end of the day, the DNI, DOJ have enough programs to justify the annual budget and this is all they care about. One thing is for sure, these agencies do not exist to keep you safe. They just exist to self serve and they only change on the outside when they get caught doing wrong.
    edited March 2016 cornchip
  • Reply 38 of 42
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    fallenjt said:
    It's almost like after years of watching all these FBI shows on TV with their high tech computer labs and specialists, the real FBI decided they should hire their first real computer guy and start acting all techie. 
    And I officially stop watching Quantico! BS too much FBI.
    I would stop watching but Alex, and twins Raina, and Nimah (same actress) are just too attractive. 
    cornchip
  • Reply 39 of 42
    cornchipcornchip Posts: 1,945member
    Like I've said before; no wonder Apple wants to design its own car from the ground up.
  • Reply 40 of 42
    CMA102DLCMA102DL Posts: 121member
    cornchip said:
    Like I've said before; no wonder Apple wants to design its own car from the ground up.
    The question is...will the car have a backdoor ;)
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