The preservation of privacy and morals are paramount here.
Mono woman or young girl should ever have to see a mans penis in a ladies restroom. EVER.
and no man should have to deal with the flip side.
Let's get real here.
No matter what you "identify" as, male and female are as physically descriptive as can be. Heck we even have male and female connectors in engineering.
So identify to hear hearts content. But go to the male restroom if you are male.
Simple.
Mono father should have to worry about some dude who thinks he's a girl taking a leak next to his daughter or wife.
Enough is snough. And shame on Apple and others for getting involved.
Tim wants to be with other dudes. Ok. That's his prerogative. But I bet he uses the right bathroom for crying out loud.
There is nothing to show that the voters of North Carolina wanted this. The results at the ballot box will show if a majority of voters wanted this. And if they did, Apple and every other company is free to disagree and take their facilities and business elsewhere. After all, didn't the Supreme Court in Citizens versus United declare that corporations are individuals for the purpose of expressing their free speech rights? It's thinly disguised law to legalize discrimination under the guise of protecting religious freedom. Your "left" comment is little other than a hypocritical load designed to deflect from your own endorsement of discrimination and bigotry. The only person you are fooling is yourself.
You can call someone a bigot all you want, but it doesn't make it true. The bigots I see are those who demean honestly held religious beliefs of others with great frequency.
That being said, this is a bill about common sense in the bathroom. That may not appeal to the people of Fantasy Land, but in flyover country we're not insane like the radicals.
So are Apple and other companies saying that only their opinion matters? Are they better than the voters of North Carolina that wanted this? I thought the left didn't like big business and money in politics?
Corporations are people my friend. And Citizens United makes it perfectly legal and acceptable for corporations to engage in the very thing you are now decrying.
You're right. Obamacare being the perfect example of your last sentence.
Except, of course, the parts that you like, though unaware that you like, or refuse to believe that the ACA has anything to do with those that you like in the first place. Oh, and it's 2016: people have been waiting for the stunning, mind-blowing awesome-terrific-happy replacement that always seems to be just around the corner but forever remains out of reach.
So are Apple and other companies saying that only their opinion matters? Are they better than the voters of North Carolina that wanted this? I thought the left didn't like big business and money in politics?
Corporations are people my friend. And Citizens United makes it perfectly legal and acceptable for corporations to engage in the very thing you are now decrying.
I think the poster's point (in the last question anyway) was that the left has often been opposed to business and big money in politics. Except, of course, when those business and that big money happens to be supporting what they agree with. There's a hypocrisy in that.
The fashionable outrage from these mega technological and media corporations is become a autotune cliche.. Where's all this outrage over the genicide of the middle class ? What ??
What this seems to do is allow (not force) businesses and organizations to establish whatever bathroom policies they see fit. So Apple, if they wish, can have the policy of allowing men to use women's room and vice versa or whatever combination they wish to allow. Conversely, it allows other businesses and organizations to have policies that follow what we've traditionally see (men use men's room, women use women's room).
In other words it prevents the local governments from compelling businesses and organizations to have a particular policy.
People take a deep breath and get off your LGBT soapbox. Think big picture here. Put yourself in the place of a parent with a little girl who has to go to the bathroom. There is a man (yes if you have a penis you are physically a male you might think otherwise) who is in fact a child molester and he is in there watching your little girl. With the ordinance that Charlotte passed and the NC Legislature struck down would have allowed him to be there legally and in close contact to your little girl. How would you think then. This is much bigger than the whole LGBT thing and has nothing to do with discrimination but with keeping people safe. This is exactly what the Governor of North Carolina said when he first opposed the ordinance that Charlotte passed.
So let me get this correct: let's assume that I am some hormone-fueled teenage boy. Under the Charlotte ordinance (and without the NC law) I could go into the into the women's changing area at the local public pool and get as much as an eyeful of nude women as much as I want just because today I am identifying myself as female? Or a 25 year old woman can go into a men's locker room and expose herself and give some 10 year old boys their first lesson on female anatomy? And all of this would be completely legal?
I wouldn't expect apple to drop out of the state but there's no doubt it will be a factor when considering expansion
That's hilarious considering Apple wants to count the dirty money profits from suicide factory labour, but in your theory wouldn't want the hard earned money from a particular states citizens for purchase of electronics.
So are Apple and other companies saying that only their opinion matters? Are they better than the voters of North Carolina that wanted this? I thought the left didn't like big business and money in politics?
So if voters want slavery we should allow it as well?
So are Apple and other companies saying that only their opinion matters? Are they better than the voters of North Carolina that wanted this? I thought the left didn't like big business and money in politics?
So if voters want slavery we should allow it as well?
That is an incredibly poor analogy to the current issue.
There is nothing anti-discrimination about this bill. The Charlotte City Council who were probably paid off, went against the will of the citizens of the city to vote it into law. Now Apple and all these other hypocritical companies want to jump on the bandwagon as if seperate bathrooms isn't the norm. There are separate bathrooms for men and women everywhere all over the world and protects women and children. Also, just because someone self identifies with something doesn't make it true and it doesn't mean that others have to go along with it. If someone in their mind believes they are a car doesn't mean they are a car, and everyone else doesn't have to go along with believing they are a car. We are and will always be what God made us.
These arguments in favor of this discrimination law simply don't hold up to more than superficial logical scrutiny.
Basically what I'm hearing is that this is a great idea because it prevents a heterosexual biological male from lying and saying he is transgender and identifies as a women so as to prey on women.
Okay, but if that's what you're worried about, what's to stop that same man from walking into the women's restroom, flip the situation around, and say that he was born a biological women but transitioned to a man. Because he was born a women, regardless of the transition, he would use the women's restroom in this system. Because there are genuine transgender people who are indistinguishable from the opposite sex, so you really don't know. And that's not dealing with the issue of a homosexual pedophiles.
So unless you're planning on having an inspector at the door verififying genitalia or a third restroom for all transgender people, this law achieves NOTHING constructive. It just opens the door for honest, hard working, tax paying citizens to be discriminated against.
In fact here is a radical idea, make all bathrooms unisex, just all stalls with doors, you do your business in private and surely we can wash our hands with the opposite sex. Like all responsible adults you are aware of your surroundings and you look out for people abusing the system, which you then report to the proper authorities. Given that 99% of people are not pedophiles there would be more eyes on the lookout with unisex bathrooms. And while we're at it, teach children that the human body is a normal beautiful thing, and to respect other people and their bodies.
In fact here is a radical idea, make all bathrooms unisex, just all stalls with doors, you do your business in private and surely we can wash our hands with the opposite sex.
That's a fine solution. Just don't mandate it by law. Let businesses decide for themselves whether to do it or not.
I'm a biological male who doesn't want biological females in the Men's Restroom when I'm using it. Don't my feelings count for something, too?
Restrooms are assigned by sex, not by gender. Gender is open to cultural interpretation, but biological sex is not. There are serious risks to creating open bathrooms, and hurt feelings isn't one of them.
Before the most tolerant and open minded people on these boards close their minds and start calling me hateful and bigoted, please note that I am all for equality. But, we must find a better solution than open restrooms.
We can't be sure you are a biological male ttollerton. You could have Klinefelter or Turner syndrome. You could also have androgen insensitivity syndrome, partial androgen insensitivity syndrome, classical congenital adrenal hyperplasia, late onset adrenal hyperplasia, vaginal agenisis, ovotestes, missed gonadal dysgenesis, or yet another condition. Until you are willing to provide a DNA sample to confirm a normal fully presented XY chromosome we will have to be suspicious and decline to let you use public restrooms. Maybe you can add that data to your NC drivers license and NC can set up testing and licensing for the use of public restrooms.
Until that happens, hold it in until you get home. You are creeping the rest of us out.
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Mono woman or young girl should ever have to see a mans penis in a ladies restroom. EVER.
and no man should have to deal with the flip side.
Let's get real here.
No matter what you "identify" as, male and female are as physically descriptive as can be. Heck we even have male and female connectors in engineering.
So identify to hear hearts content. But go to the male restroom if you are male.
Simple.
Mono father should have to worry about some dude who thinks he's a girl taking a leak next to his daughter or wife.
Enough is snough. And shame on Apple and others for getting involved.
Tim wants to be with other dudes. Ok. That's his prerogative. But I bet he uses the right bathroom for crying out loud.
Except, of course, the parts that you like, though unaware that you like, or refuse to believe that the ACA has anything to do with those that you like in the first place. Oh, and it's 2016: people have been waiting for the stunning, mind-blowing awesome-terrific-happy replacement that always seems to be just around the corner but forever remains out of reach.
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In other words it prevents the local governments from compelling businesses and organizations to have a particular policy.
Whatever happened to the ideal of journalism being about reporting the news instead of making it?
Basically what I'm hearing is that this is a great idea because it prevents a heterosexual biological male from lying and saying he is transgender and identifies as a women so as to prey on women.
Okay, but if that's what you're worried about, what's to stop that same man from walking into the women's restroom, flip the situation around, and say that he was born a biological women but transitioned to a man. Because he was born a women, regardless of the transition, he would use the women's restroom in this system. Because there are genuine transgender people who are indistinguishable from the opposite sex, so you really don't know. And that's not dealing with the issue of a homosexual pedophiles.
So unless you're planning on having an inspector at the door verififying genitalia or a third restroom for all transgender people, this law achieves NOTHING constructive. It just opens the door for honest, hard working, tax paying citizens to be discriminated against.
In fact here is a radical idea, make all bathrooms unisex, just all stalls with doors, you do your business in private and surely we can wash our hands with the opposite sex. Like all responsible adults you are aware of your surroundings and you look out for people abusing the system, which you then report to the proper authorities. Given that 99% of people are not pedophiles there would be more eyes on the lookout with unisex bathrooms. And while we're at it, teach children that the human body is a normal beautiful thing, and to respect other people and their bodies.
No laws required just respect and common sense.
Until that happens, hold it in until you get home. You are creeping the rest of us out.