Or all of Tesla. Apple has the resources to ramp up Tesla production and get those Model 3 orders filled. Hmm.
The Model S and Model X are garbage vehicles. Blindingly fast in a straight line but the rest of the car is average. I seriously wonder if anyone who's ever driven either car has even spent more than 2 minutes in a competing luxury vehicle. Because you'd soon realize that aside from the electric drivetrain (which any yahoo can build these days) the cars are pretty basic.
I suggest someone go spend time in a Range Rover SVR (also around $144K - the same price buyers have been paying for the Model X) to see just how shitty the Model X really is and how many "luxury" features it's missing. I swear, people seem to think if you have power windows and power seats that your car is "fully loaded". Oh, but it has those cool-looking Falcon Wing doors. I guess that makes it worth the money. /s
I can prove your short sighed opinion wrong on every level there. Ask Daimler why their Mercedes S Class got outsold by Tesla S in Germany where people are hardcore on German made cars. The German don't just buy a foreign car unless it outperforms their German brands.
I also think that the competition will have a hard time competing against model 3 on price vs performance/features.
You're kidding, right? Have you seen how under-equipped the Model S and Model X are for the prices they charge? Cars that cost half as much are better equipped.
Cars in the $30K price range have even slimmer margins. If Tesla can't properly equip their expensive cars, how are they going to be able to equip a much cheaper car?
Even Musk was being deceitful at the Model 3 launch, showing off a sleek car with an all-glass roof and talking up the $35K price. Then a few days later said the Model 3 will also come with a "normal" roof as well. Do you think the $35K version comes with the "normal" roof, or the expensive all-glass roof? I predict a base $35K Model 3 is NOT going to be well-equipped at all compared to any other car for $35K.
Everyone well acknowledged of glass roof option. In many blogs, people actually prefer normal roof and me too. I don't care how simply equipped the Model 3 will be, it will kick many serious asses out there with its quick charge and autopilot standard. With Fed and State credits, the car actually costs $25k and that no gasoline car can compete. I owned many BMW in my entire life and the first time, I put down $1000 without even being care of how the Model 3 would look like. One thing I know: Tesla don't make ugly car!
Tesla have more than 325k pre-orders for model 3 after 1 week. I think Tesla will grow really big if they can meet the demand? I also think that the competition will have a hard time competing against model 3 on price vs performance/features. In 1 year they will produce more than rest of the worlds production of litjion batteries, this will give give them a big advantage I think. Also if it where so easy to produce an electric car why hasn't anybody succeeded doing Tesla challenger. Electric is the future for sure, an example: the Dutch is now considering to ban gasoline after 2025.
Are you for real? Features are near zero at 35K compared to similar priced cars. By the time Tesla ramps up to produce those car there will be competition of likely better equipped cars with similar drive train from well, every one else.
Tesla needs high margins on these cars just to survive unlike the other car makers. If others offer cars with the same margin they get on their other cars, 5-6%, Tesla is in trouble. The battery tech is Panasonic, not Tesla;In fact there is nothing super duper about TEsla at all except hero worship.
Where did you get 5-6% margin on other Tesla cars? Stop spewing bs and google Tesla margin, would you? The model S margin is 25%. Now, after you look at the true data, come back here and discuss more on this topic. Also, make sure look at Tesla patents too...especially on quick charge technology. You need to stop trolling and start to be open minded.
*Which makes the hype about carbon dioxide all the more ridiculous, such as placating the public with the ridiculous banning of incandescent light bulbs in the US, while so many more meaningful measures to curb energy use are overlooked.
Insane indeed, they did the same in Europe, luckily we have the former Soviet Union nearby and it is possible to order light bulbs in the Ukraine (being slightly radioactive, but he, that adds a faint glow so you even have light when it's off).
I'm not disagreeing with either. But I'm going to predict that Apple may start with more of a 1-2 person vehicle. Smaller, lighter, less than highway speeds, autonomous if needed...and covered, comfortable and will proliferate amongst city streets. Then will go to larger cars and vehicles.
I have no idea what Apple will produce in terms of a car. I'm just stating that they don't waste time with stupid gimmicks that others (like Samsung or Google) are famous for. Like Face Unlock or Air View. I see them taking that approach to a car. Which is why Apple won't waste money on making something stupid like Falcon Wing doors or 3 second 0-60 times, but would put that money into something that has a bigger impact on the vehicle passengers.
Believe me, Model X is not for everyone but those with money...Sure, $120K SUV better have something different. I would take that Falcon doors and Ludicrous mode options if I could afford $120K SUV. Why? Because I want my $120k car to be able to do things that other cheaper ones can't. Got it?
Give it another year and half of Tesla will be working for Apple.
Or all of Tesla. Apple has the resources to ramp up Tesla production and get those Model 3 orders filled. Hmm.
The Model 3 doesn't "say" Apple to me, but if they used Tesla's existing charging network and "free" patent trove, they could join the fray and compete.
You're kidding, right? Have you seen how under-equipped the Model S and Model X are for the prices they charge? Cars that cost half as much are better equipped.
Cars in the $30K price range have even slimmer margins. If Tesla can't properly equip their expensive cars, how are they going to be able to equip a much cheaper car?
Even Musk was being deceitful at the Model 3 launch, showing off a sleek car with an all-glass roof and talking up the $35K price. Then a few days later said the Model 3 will also come with a "normal" roof as well. Do you think the $35K version comes with the "normal" roof, or the expensive all-glass roof? I predict a base $35K Model 3 is NOT going to be well-equipped at all compared to any other car for $35K.
Everyone well acknowledged of glass roof option. In many blogs, people actually prefer normal roof and me too. I don't care how simply equipped the Model 3 will be, it will kick many serious asses out there with its quick charge and autopilot standard. With Fed and State credits, the car actually costs $25k and that no gasoline car can compete. I owned many BMW in my entire life and the first time, I put down $1000 without even being care of how the Model 3 would look like. One thing I know: Tesla don't make ugly car!
But they certainly makes ugly car interior. And Model 3 is topping that.
Everyone well acknowledged of glass roof option. In many blogs, people actually prefer normal roof and me too. I don't care how simply equipped the Model 3 will be, it will kick many serious asses out there with its quick charge and autopilot standard. With Fed and State credits, the car actually costs $25k and that no gasoline car can compete. I owned many BMW in my entire life and the first time, I put down $1000 without even being care of how the Model 3 would look like. One thing I know: Tesla don't make ugly car!
But they certainly makes ugly car interior. And Model 3 is topping that.
You got to learn more about the term "concept" vs "production". Look at Model S and X concepts and compare with the real cars now!
Give it another year and half of Tesla will be working for Apple.
Probably so, yet Apple is not going to enter automotive market until wireless charging tech is fully developed enabling EVs to juice up in 5-10 minutes. Regardless of the fact be it done by Elix, Momentum Dynamics, or Apple themselves.
Apple's market share may not be big, but it is sure a hell of a lot bigger than Tesla's in pretty much every market Apple has attempted. And Apple has a huge influence over the design of non-Apple products in the markets they compete in. An Apple electric car, if such a thing will ever exist, would more than likely have more impact on the mass electrification of cars than Tesla.
I wonder where all those cars will be manufactured and how it will impact profits.
One factory in US, one in Europe and one in China. Three models - 25-35k price bracket US, 15-25k Europe, 7-12k China.
The Model S and Model X are garbage vehicles. Blindingly fast in a straight line but the rest of the car is average. I seriously wonder if anyone who's ever driven either car has even spent more than 2 minutes in a competing luxury vehicle. Because you'd soon realize that aside from the electric drivetrain (which any yahoo can build these days) the cars are pretty basic.
I suggest someone go spend time in a Range Rover SVR (also around $144K - the same price buyers have been paying for the Model X) to see just how shitty the Model X really is and how many "luxury" features it's missing. I swear, people seem to think if you have power windows and power seats that your car is "fully loaded". Oh, but it has those cool-looking Falcon Wing doors. I guess that makes it worth the money. /s
Disagree. If "any yahoo can build" an electric drivetrain these days, why is Tesla the only volume EV maker? Where are the other high end EVs? Not the Nissan Leaf. ICE cars feel so backwards. Never buying an ICE based car again. Doesn't matter how advanced a transmission is, 100% torque throughout the rev range and a single fixed gear is a totally different experience. The auto industry needs to get moving ASAP or get left behind.
wondering what Musk say about the news (he said only the one can't make it at Tesla heading to apple - or something along that line). it is good time to pick up few good fellows, boeing finished "dream line" design, few may be willing to do ground work ;-).
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I owned many BMW in my entire life and the first time, I put down $1000 without even being care of how the Model 3 would look like. One thing I know: Tesla don't make ugly car!
Where did you get 5-6% margin on other Tesla cars? Stop spewing bs and google Tesla margin, would you? The model S margin is 25%. Now, after you look at the true data, come back here and discuss more on this topic. Also, make sure look at Tesla patents too...especially on quick charge technology. You need to stop trolling and start to be open minded.
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Believe me, Model X is not for everyone but those with money...Sure, $120K SUV better have something different. I would take that Falcon doors and Ludicrous mode options if I could afford $120K SUV. Why? Because I want my $120k car to be able to do things that other cheaper ones can't. Got it?
If "any yahoo can build" an electric drivetrain these days, why is Tesla the only volume EV maker? Where are the other high end EVs? Not the Nissan Leaf. ICE cars feel so backwards. Never buying an ICE based car again. Doesn't matter how advanced a transmission is, 100% torque throughout the rev range and a single fixed gear is a totally different experience. The auto industry needs to get moving ASAP or get left behind.