Check out some of the countries that Bernie keeps referring to - i.e. the Scandinavian countries. One problem with Bernie is that he has referred to himself as a socialist and as we all know Americans are terrified of that word. The thing is that none of the Scandinavian countries think of themselves as socialist. They are free market capitalist societies. They have relatively high taxes but they also have free college and very low university fees, universal health care, and a whole lot of other things that are not socialist or left wing, but just common sense. The standard of living in the Scandinavian countries is very high. It can't happen over night in the US, but it is not crazy.
No, it's not. Their standards of living are lower than in the US; far lower. And his regulation plans are more strict than the European countries, who are running away from socialism.
This just proves these employees are idiots. They never associate the consequences with their actions. Likely the same ones who have turned California into a dying rats nest.
Well I don't want to argue with you as the USA isn't far from the top but it isn't top and Norway isn't far lower. This is 2014, not 2015 but I doubt there has been much of a change since then.
The Trump supporters at Apple and Google CAN'T be donors because he won't take money from ANYONE. Next question is how many there are at those two companies...
Ok, I guess we're just going to skip over the part where you completely misinterpreted my initial comment.
I love how you just proved my point for me, then tried to disprove it simply by saying "yada yada yada." Saved me some typing anyway. If you want further proof, just take a look at her bizarre wardrobe. I wonder how many focus groups they went through trying to find the least threatening outfits possible. She looks like a teletubbie half the time. Creeps me out.
That's a cheap shot. And sexist to boot. Don't expect much else from the weird folks driving political discourse these days....
Not to mention the awkward fact that you skipped over MY comment asking for specific examples. Unless you think loud accusations made over and over again by political opponents are proof of guilt, in which case, you've totally got me!
Um, what? Lol. Did you just refer to me as a "weird folk driving political discourse." It seems as though you're making certain assumptions here; based on what, I don't know.
First, I'm flattered that you think I'm driving some sort of political discourse. 2nd: I wasn't trying to get into any political discussion; I simply pointed out what everyone knows, that hillary is a corrupt demagogue. I didn't expect that to be controversial. 3rd: I didn't skip your comment at all. I simply pointed out that you had already provided the specific examples, and thus saved me some typing. And BTW, I don't know what kind of rationalizations you are using, but just because an opponent says something, doesn't mean it's not true. 4th: in what world is it sexist to say someone looks like a telletubie? Do teletubbies have genders/sexes? 5th: It wasn't a cheap shot; it was a legitimate point about the fact that she will shift her identity and beliefs to get elected (she didn't always dress like a teletubbie). 6th: Your ability to elicit an almost willful denial* in order to protect your emotionally held convictions** is remarkable. 7th: at least you're an Apple Inc fan/enthusiast, so we can agree on something!
*eg hillary's faults **eg feel the need for hillary to win (I'm making an assumption here, albeit a safe one)
mike1 said: Personally, I don't want to live in a world where college is free. I do not want to pay for your kid to go to college nor do I want to pay your doctor bills. Nothing is free, somebody is paying for it. Rather it not be me.
You might have selfish attitudes now, but at some point you may need the charity of others. You reap what you sow. Helping others benefits humankind, or perhaps you don't want to be part of that clan.
Fine, here's one for you: let's re-instate the draft, because in your framework, that would be the only fair thing to do. Let's see how well that one flies.
PS: I'm a 10 year vet, so don't charge me with hypocrisy.
Good! I am glad that those employees have totally wasted their money. They might as well have burned the money or spent it on hookers & blow, because Bernie is not going to be the nominee. The fix is already in for Hillary.
Bernie is a loser who didn't receive a steady paycheck until in his forties, and he's a radical communist socialist creep, and an admirer of evil regimes worldwide. And let's not even mention his ridiculous plans, such as taxing the hell out of people.
All Bernie supporters deserve to have 90% of their wealth wiped out, immediately, so that they may put their money where their ignorant mouths are. The only problem is that quite a few Bernie supporters are bums and losers with no wealth or income at all, and they're just looking for handouts.
I can't wait to see all of the hysterical and naive Bernie supporters crying their eyes out soon, when they realize that the game is truly up, and that their ridiculous candidate is officially out of the race. Go cry me a river. Those bums disgust me.
This must be satire. You criticize someone who you claim didn't receive a steady paycheck until his 40s, yet support a man who grew up and lived his whole life basically on welfare, inheriting daddy's business, inheriting daddy's $200,000,000 and 15,000 NYC apartment units. Trump is anything but a self made man. He's a carbon copy of daddy. And going bankrupt 4 times, which means the American consumer paid for those losses with higher interest rates and paying more out of pocket for their loans. Yet Bernie, who has an honest net worth of $500,000 and didn't screw his creditors out of billions, is the "loser?"
Bernie is an admirer of evil regimes worldwide, yet Trump kept copies of Hitler's speeches at his bedside, and praised the "strong leadership" of Kim Jong Un. Putin also said that he admires Trump. Fascists think alike.
This article is proof that Bernie supporters are anything but bums and losers, but generally more educated and have higher incomes. Apple employees aren't exactly poor. It is the Trump supporters that are the least educated (science and recent statistics released backs me up on that, but as a Trump supporter, you yourself probably don't believe in science or "school stuff" anyway). Trump supporters are also the poorest and most dependent on social services and welfare: he has strong support in poorer neighborhoods and older folks relying on Medicare.
It is easy for an averagely smart person to see through Trump's lies and how he is manipulating the dumbest of America. It is obvious as well how those same supporters don't see it that way.
The most important battle we as Americans face is getting the multi-billionaire corporations' corrupt money out of our government.
And until we do that no amount of squabbling over left, right, Dem, Republican, means a thing. They will buy BOTH parties and do what they want, regardless of what ANY of us thinks.
Tell me what 'Freedoms' you think you'll have then. NONE.
Bernie Sanders is THE ONLY PERSON running who wants to overturn Citizen's United and get the lobbyist money out of Washington.
The most important battle we as Americans face is getting the multi-billionaire corporations' corrupt money out of our government.
And until we do that no amount of squabbling over left, right, Dem, Republican, means a thing. They will buy BOTH parties and do what they want, regardless of what ANY of us thinks.
Tell me what 'Freedoms' you think you'll have then. NONE.
Bernie Sanders is THE ONLY PERSON running who wants to overturn Citizen's United and get the lobbyist money out of Washington.
THE ONLY ONE.
And the only one talking about climate change. And the only one talking about North Korea being the world's biggest military threat and not some prehistoric cave dwellers in a far away desert land. And the only one talking about the student loan debt crisis that economists say is the next bubble that could burst and cripple our economy. And the only one talking about expanding social security so those of us under 35- 40 can actually rely on it. And the only one talking about prescription drugs that cost $1,000 a pill in America and $5/ pill in Canada. And the only one talking about health care being a right and not something that only people that have a certain employer or come from families well off enough can afford.
But you are right, that unlimited money and lobbyists out of politics is the most important battle, because without that, none of what I just mentioned will be on the table.
No more farfetched than building a wall across the entire Mexican border, deporting 11 million illegal aliens and their US born children, banning all muslims, making Apple manufacture all their products in the US, pulling out of NATO and cutting off aid to Israel. No matter how reasonable any of those things might be, getting it done is near impossible without a total dictatorship. But not to worry, neither Bernie nor Trump will be elected simply because their beliefs are too extreme. You can count me as the least happy voter. The last thing I wanted was a grandmother in chief, but that is perhaps the least problematic outcome considering the other options.
Trump seems very evil and dangerous to me, can you explain why so many people vote on him?
Isn't that funny. You see, although I don't like the word "evil", I see every political move by Democrats, liberals, Socialists, Marxists and Progressives as anti-freedom, anti-individuali, damaging and dangerous.
Trump seems very evil and dangerous to me, can you explain why so many people vote on him?
Isn't that funny. You see, although I don't like the word "evil", I see every political move by Democrats, liberals, Socialists, Marxists and Progressives as anti-freedom, anti-individuali, damaging and dangerous.
In Scandinavia we are for solidarity, free health care, school, residential home and much more that is good for the society as a hole. We always rank at the top for, equality, highest quality in life, happiest and so on. And we are Free.
Isn't that funny. You see, although I don't like the word "evil", I see every political move by Democrats, liberals, Socialists, Marxists and Progressives as anti-freedom, anti-individuali, damaging and dangerous.
In Scandinavia we are for solidarity, free health care, school, residential home and much more that is good for the society as a hole. We always rank at the top for, equality, highest quality in life, happiest and so on. And we are Free.
You might have selfish attitudes now, but at some point you may need the charity of others. You reap what you sow. Helping others benefits humankind, or perhaps you don't want to be part of that clan.
You are not describing "charity". Charity is voluntary. When government confiscates wealth using force so it can be "spread around", that is not charity. That's socialism. Socialism leads to corruption since it centralizes power in a dangerous way. And it destroys society's motivation to work, since the lazy don't need to work, and the diligent resent being forced to support the lazy. The result is shortages, poverty, and resentment.
Isn't that funny. You see, although I don't like the word "evil", I see every political move by Democrats, liberals, Socialists, Marxists and Progressives as anti-freedom, anti-individuali, damaging and dangerous.
In Scandinavia we are for solidarity, free health care, school, residential home and much more that is good for the society as a hole. We always rank at the top for, equality, highest quality in life, happiest and so on. And we are Free.
Somebody is paying for your free healthcare. It ain't really free.
Isn't that funny. You see, although I don't like the word "evil", I see every political move by Democrats, liberals, Socialists, Marxists and Progressives as anti-freedom, anti-individuali, damaging and dangerous.
In Scandinavia we are for solidarity, free health care, school, residential home and much more that is good for the society as a hole. We always rank at the top for, equality, highest quality in life, happiest and so on. And we are Free.
The difference is that the US is republic and basically the Federal government exists as a result of an agreement between our separate states (the agreement being the US Constitution).
In Scandinavia we are for solidarity, free health care, school, residential home and much more that is good for the society as a hole. We always rank at the top for, equality, highest quality in life, happiest and so on. And we are Free.
Somebody is paying for your free healthcare. It ain't really free.
What insightful thing do you think you are pointing out here?
Obviously healthcare needs to be paid for. Some people think that it falls upon the person unfortunate enough to find themselves unwell, others think that a civilized society will deem that slavery to misfortune unacceptable and pay for it collectively.
I know which side of the fence I'm on. The evil side, according to some.
Reminds me of...
EDIT: why does the mobile editor hate me trying to post images?
Isn't that funny. You see, although I don't like the word "evil", I see every political move by Democrats, liberals, Socialists, Marxists and Progressives as anti-freedom, anti-individuali, damaging and dangerous.
In Scandinavia we are for solidarity, free health care, school, residential home and much more that is good for the society as a hole. We always rank at the top for, equality, highest quality in life, happiest and so on. And we are Free.
Much as I hate correcting the English spelling of non-English-as-a-first language people (especially since it's normally so good), it should be "whole", not "hole". Rather changes the meaning otherwise
You might have selfish attitudes now, but at some point you may need the charity of others. You reap what you sow. Helping others benefits humankind, or perhaps you don't want to be part of that clan.
You are not describing "charity". Charity is voluntary. When government confiscates wealth using force so it can be "spread around", that is not charity. That's socialism. Socialism leads to corruption since it centralizes power in a dangerous way. And it destroys society's motivation to work, since the lazy don't need to work, and the diligent resent being forced to support the lazy. The result is shortages, poverty, and resentment.
This all seems so obvious.
Naturally you'll have evidence that social democracies like those in Scandinavia are systematically more corrupt than, say, the local, state and federal government of the USA.
In Scandinavia we are for solidarity, free health care, school, residential home and much more that is good for the society as a hole. We always rank at the top for, equality, highest quality in life, happiest and so on. And we are Free.
Much as I hate correcting the English spelling of non-English-as-a-first language people (especially since it's normally so good), it should be "whole", not "hole". Rather changes the meaning otherwise
Thanks Crowley, I will try to avoid that hole next time
In Scandinavia we are for solidarity, free health care, school, residential home and much more that is good for the society as a hole. We always rank at the top for, equality, highest quality in life, happiest and so on. And we are Free.
Much as I hate correcting the English spelling of non-English-as-a-first language people (especially since it's normally so good), it should be "whole", not "hole". Rather changes the meaning otherwise
No, I rather think "society as a hole" is apropos in this context. "Society" is a sinkhole, in fact.
You are not describing "charity". Charity is voluntary. When government confiscates wealth using force so it can be "spread around", that is not charity. That's socialism. Socialism leads to corruption since it centralizes power in a dangerous way. And it destroys society's motivation to work, since the lazy don't need to work, and the diligent resent being forced to support the lazy. The result is shortages, poverty, and resentment.
This all seems so obvious.
Naturally you'll have evidence that social democracies like those in Scandinavia are systematically more corrupt than, say, the local, state and federal government of the USA.
Of course you do, it's obvious.
Comparing political and social attitudes between countries is ultimately a waste of time. If something is widely agreed to "work" in Scandanavia, it is not germane to the situation in the US, which is historically, socially and politically very different.
As an outsider with no sense of perspective, you are free to argue this point and litter said arguments with irrelevancies and ad hominem attacks.
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First, I'm flattered that you think I'm driving some sort of political discourse. 2nd: I wasn't trying to get into any political discussion; I simply pointed out what everyone knows, that hillary is a corrupt demagogue. I didn't expect that to be controversial. 3rd: I didn't skip your comment at all. I simply pointed out that you had already provided the specific examples, and thus saved me some typing. And BTW, I don't know what kind of rationalizations you are using, but just because an opponent says something, doesn't mean it's not true. 4th: in what world is it sexist to say someone looks like a telletubie? Do teletubbies have genders/sexes? 5th: It wasn't a cheap shot; it was a legitimate point about the fact that she will shift her identity and beliefs to get elected (she didn't always dress like a teletubbie). 6th: Your ability to elicit an almost willful denial* in order to protect your emotionally held convictions** is remarkable. 7th: at least you're an Apple Inc fan/enthusiast, so we can agree on something!
*eg hillary's faults
**eg feel the need for hillary to win (I'm making an assumption here, albeit a safe one)
PS: I'm a 10 year vet, so don't charge me with hypocrisy.
You criticize someone who you claim didn't receive a steady paycheck until his 40s, yet support a man who grew up and lived his whole life basically on welfare, inheriting daddy's business, inheriting daddy's $200,000,000 and 15,000 NYC apartment units. Trump is anything but a self made man. He's a carbon copy of daddy. And going bankrupt 4 times, which means the American consumer paid for those losses with higher interest rates and paying more out of pocket for their loans. Yet Bernie, who has an honest net worth of $500,000 and didn't screw his creditors out of billions, is the "loser?"
Bernie is an admirer of evil regimes worldwide, yet Trump kept copies of Hitler's speeches at his bedside, and praised the "strong leadership" of Kim Jong Un. Putin also said that he admires Trump. Fascists think alike.
This article is proof that Bernie supporters are anything but bums and losers, but generally more educated and have higher incomes. Apple employees aren't exactly poor. It is the Trump supporters that are the least educated (science and recent statistics released backs me up on that, but as a Trump supporter, you yourself probably don't believe in science or "school stuff" anyway). Trump supporters are also the poorest and most dependent on social services and welfare: he has strong support in poorer neighborhoods and older folks relying on Medicare.
It is easy for an averagely smart person to see through Trump's lies and how he is manipulating the dumbest of America. It is obvious as well how those same supporters don't see it that way.
The most important battle we as Americans face is getting the multi-billionaire corporations' corrupt money out of our government.
And until we do that no amount of squabbling over left, right, Dem, Republican, means a thing. They will buy BOTH parties and do what they want, regardless of what ANY of us thinks.
Tell me what 'Freedoms' you think you'll have then. NONE.
Bernie Sanders is THE ONLY PERSON running who wants to overturn Citizen's United and get the lobbyist money out of Washington.
THE ONLY ONE.
And the only one talking about North Korea being the world's biggest military threat and not some prehistoric cave dwellers in a far away desert land.
And the only one talking about the student loan debt crisis that economists say is the next bubble that could burst and cripple our economy.
And the only one talking about expanding social security so those of us under 35- 40 can actually rely on it.
And the only one talking about prescription drugs that cost $1,000 a pill in America and $5/ pill in Canada.
And the only one talking about health care being a right and not something that only people that have a certain employer or come from families well off enough can afford.
But you are right, that unlimited money and lobbyists out of politics is the most important battle, because without that, none of what I just mentioned will be on the table.
Obviously healthcare needs to be paid for. Some people think that it falls upon the person unfortunate enough to find themselves unwell, others think that a civilized society will deem that slavery to misfortune unacceptable and pay for it collectively.
I know which side of the fence I'm on. The evil side, according to some.
Reminds me of...
EDIT: why does the mobile editor hate me trying to post images?
Much as I hate correcting the English spelling of non-English-as-a-first language people (especially since it's normally so good), it should be "whole", not "hole". Rather changes the meaning otherwise
Of course you do, it's obvious.
As an outsider with no sense of perspective, you are free to argue this point and litter said arguments with irrelevancies and ad hominem attacks.