Apple's 'iPhone 7 Plus' rumored to use 3GB of RAM for dual-camera image processing

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in iPhone edited May 2016
Apple's larger 5.5-inch "iPhone 7 Plus" will rely on 3 gigabytes of RAM in order to handle the hefty image processing requirements for its advanced dual-camera design, according to well-connected analyst Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI Securities.


"iPhone 7 Plus" dual camera design mockup by Feld & Volk.


Kuo issued a note to investors on Wednesday, a copy of which was obtained by AppleInsider, claiming that Apple plans to include a dual-lens iSight camera in all "iPhone 7 Plus" models.

He said constraints of the form factor design may leave the new camera system with "limited" optical zoom capabilities. The multi-lens system is expected to produce DSLR-like images, using technology Apple acquired from its $20 million purchase of LinX Imaging in 2015.

Previously, Kuo said Apple had toyed with the idea of offering two different models -- one with the advanced camera, and one without. But Apple ultimately chose to include the high-end camera in all versions of its new 5.5-inch iPhone this year, according to the KGI analyst.

Playing a key role in the camera will apparently be RAM --?Kuo continues to believe the larger handset will exclusively feature 3 gigabytes of RAM, a step up from the 2 gigabytes found in the current flagship iPhone 6s series. It's also expected that the smaller 4.7-inch "iPhone 7" will remain with 2 gigabytes of RAM.




Kuo's latest claims align with newly leaked schematics, which suggest only the jumbo-sized "iPhone 7 Plus" will feature Apple's dual-lens design. Leaks published earlier Wednesday show an oval-shaped space for a larger camera module on the 5.5-inch model, while the 4.7-inch variant is seen with a circular, presumably single-lens design.

It's also possible that the 5.5-inch model will be the only to feature Apple's Smart Connector on the rear shell of the device, further differentiating the Plus from the regular model, the schematics suggest. Apple's Smart Connector technology is currently found on the iPad Pro, where it can be used for recharging the tablet, as well as connecting keyboard accessories.

Kuo estimates that Apple will ship between 20 million and 30 million units of the "iPhone 7 Plus" in the second half of 2016, all sporting dual-camera designs. The modules are expected to be supplied by Sony and LG Innotek.

Kuo has a proven track record in predicting Apple's future product plans. Most recently, he was first to peg the $400 to $500 pricing range and all of the hardware specifications for Apple's newly launched iPhone SE.
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  • Reply 1 of 36
    Going 4GB hurts profit margin that's why..
    jackansi
  • Reply 2 of 36
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 1,975member
    Apple has a problem here with this product strategy.  What will be the new innovations for iPhone 7?  Without new innovations, all the users that don't want the extra size of Plus will refrain from upgrade just like those people don't want the extra size of 6 or 6s chose to stay with 5S.
  • Reply 3 of 36
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,054moderator
    Would be great to see the optical image stabilization of the 6S+ make its way into the 4.7" iPhone 7.  That alone would get my dollars to upgrade from the 6 I'm carrying.
    jackansi
  • Reply 4 of 36
    jakebjakeb Posts: 557member
    Oh I get it now. 

    They're literally trying to make a pro phone. Not just a "pro" phone. 
    But a phone that will  be used in business. The smart connector on the back is for accessories like credit card readers and meters and sensors and microphones and other things. The high end camera is to make the phone a real camera replacement for people who would have used a low-end slr. 

    But I wonder what this means for the non-pro 7. Are they just going to give up on updating it because purchase cycles are extending to 3 years instead of 2? 
    Removing the 3.5in can't be the only "feature". People will see it as the opposite of the feature.
    cali
  • Reply 5 of 36
    It seems to me that 3 gig and dual camera would get people to pony up. 20-30m unit projection for 7S seem low to me...
  • Reply 6 of 36
    profprof Posts: 76member
    [...] DSLR-like images [...]
     sure ... and how technically incompetent can one be to claim such nonsense ... and why the hell does AI not refute that?
    jackansicnocbui
  • Reply 7 of 36
    redraider11redraider11 Posts: 159member
    tzeshan said:
    Apple has a problem here with this product strategy.  What will be the new innovations for iPhone 7?  Without new innovations, all the users that don't want the extra size of Plus will refrain from upgrade just like those people don't want the extra size of 6 or 6s chose to stay with 5S.
    Count me as one of those people. I like the size of the 6/6S, but I've held my wife's 6+ and I couldn't imagine carrying that thing all day in my pants pocket. No big deal for her since she just puts it in her purse. I would upgrade for the new tech, but I'm out on that size of a phone. 
    patchythepiratelarryamike1
  • Reply 8 of 36
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 1,920member
    Going 4GB hurts profit margin that's why..
    Oh, I dunno.... I think Apple just makes different tradeoffs than the Android guys. Apple has much faster NAND than most Android guys, which reduces the need for more RAM (because terminated apps can be quickly loaded). Faster NAND isn't cheap. 
    patchythepiratenolamacguy
  • Reply 9 of 36
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 1,920member

    tzeshan said:
    Apple has a problem here with this product strategy.  What will be the new innovations for iPhone 7?  Without new innovations, all the users that don't want the extra size of Plus will refrain from upgrade just like those people don't want the extra size of 6 or 6s chose to stay with 5S.
    I think the relative comparison is to the 6, since that's the thing that will be two years old. The 7 will be faster than the 6s which was faster than the 6, so there's that. It might be more waterproof-ish than the 6 -- that could entice some. The camera can still be better than the 6 without being dual-lens. 

    But the biggest reason of all -- wear and tear. Users whose 6 is getting beaten up (I know my 6+ is) will want to buy a new iPhone, the only question is which model. That's one of the great things for companies that sell smartphones -- they aren't sitting safely on a desk somewhere, they are out there being dropped, shoved into lint-filled pockets (which gunks up connector ports), and being lost in cabs. Even if technology were to freeze, the replacement cycle would still be pretty good. The fact that technology does not freeze is the icing on the cake. 
  • Reply 10 of 36
    dachardachar Posts: 330member
    He is back. It's that well connected analyst again. /s
    jackansijbishop1039
  • Reply 11 of 36
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,789member
    prof said:
    [...] DSLR-like images [...]
     sure ... and how technically incompetent can one be to claim such nonsense ... and why the hell does AI not refute that?
    They didn't say Canon 5D Mark III quality. There are other mid-lower DLSR cameras that are probably not even as good as iPhone. The quality coming off the 6s+ is remarkably good. I was working with some video the other day taken on iPhone 6s+ and it was fantastic quality. We usually work with high end video but this iPhone clip was totally usable. It will only get better on the new model.
    calinolamacguywaverboy
  • Reply 12 of 36
    boltsfan17boltsfan17 Posts: 2,160member
    prof said:
    [...] DSLR-like images [...]
     sure ... and how technically incompetent can one be to claim such nonsense ... and why the hell does AI not refute that?
    Kind of hard to refute a rumor about a feature on product that doesn't exist yet. As for DSLR, I agree. Smart phones don't come even remotely close to the quality of a DSLR. It's impossible with the sensors currently in phones. 
    jackansi
  • Reply 13 of 36
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 1,975member
    blastdoor said:

    tzeshan said:
    Apple has a problem here with this product strategy.  What will be the new innovations for iPhone 7?  Without new innovations, all the users that don't want the extra size of Plus will refrain from upgrade just like those people don't want the extra size of 6 or 6s chose to stay with 5S.
    I think the relative comparison is to the 6, since that's the thing that will be two years old. The 7 will be faster than the 6s which was faster than the 6, so there's that. It might be more waterproof-ish than the 6 -- that could entice some. The camera can still be better than the 6 without being dual-lens. 

    But the biggest reason of all -- wear and tear. Users whose 6 is getting beaten up (I know my 6+ is) will want to buy a new iPhone, the only question is which model. That's one of the great things for companies that sell smartphones -- they aren't sitting safely on a desk somewhere, they are out there being dropped, shoved into lint-filled pockets (which gunks up connector ports), and being lost in cabs. Even if technology were to freeze, the replacement cycle would still be pretty good. The fact that technology does not freeze is the icing on the cake. 
    I could not see a good reason why Apple associate a better camera only with the larger screen plus models.  It seems the reason is to be able to charge $100 more.  Apple is failing because its management is too obsessed with profit margins. The same reason Apple kept the basic model at 16 GB.  
  • Reply 14 of 36
    tmaytmay Posts: 3,762member
    prof said:
     sure ... and how technically incompetent can one be to claim such nonsense ... and why the hell does AI not refute that?
    Kind of hard to refute a rumor about a feature on product that doesn't exist yet. As for DSLR, I agree. Smart phones don't come even remotely close to the quality of a DSLR. It's impossible with the sensors currently in phones. 
    I suspect that it is an expected depth of field control that is "like" dslr's, not the image quality, which in low light is going to be abysmal.
    nolamacguymike1
  • Reply 15 of 36
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 1,975member
    Another problem with putting better camera only on the plus is with the gender.  More women use plus iPhone than the men.  
    redraider11
  • Reply 16 of 36
    boltsfan17boltsfan17 Posts: 2,160member
    tmay said:
    Kind of hard to refute a rumor about a feature on product that doesn't exist yet. As for DSLR, I agree. Smart phones don't come even remotely close to the quality of a DSLR. It's impossible with the sensors currently in phones. 
    I suspect that it is an expected depth of field control that is "like" dslr's, not the image quality, which in low light is going to be abysmal.
    Very true. I'm still pretty excited about the rumor the 7 Plus will have a dual lens camera. An improved camera is always my number 1 want for new iPhone's. 
  • Reply 17 of 36
    lord amhranlord amhran Posts: 902member
    Everybody knows Quo is a charlatan with the accuracy of a birthday party "magician" when it comes to his predictions but it garners page hits so here we are once again with AI referring to Ming as a "Well connected insider"....
    edited May 2016 nolamacguydacharwaverboy
  • Reply 18 of 36
    calicali Posts: 3,495member
    tzeshan said:
    Apple has a problem here with this product strategy.  What will be the new innovations for iPhone 7?  Without new innovations, all the users that don't want the extra size of Plus will refrain from upgrade just like those people don't want the extra size of 6 or 6s chose to stay with 5S.
    Just because YOU can't think of any innovations doesn't mean Apple can't.

    Watch Tim Cook's interview on Mad Money he mentions new innovations are in the worlds. Innovations you won't believe you lived without.

    A few off the top of my head:

    Better M chip for motion tracking and fitness apps.

    Apple Wallet with IDs and Key cards etc.

    First zero bezel iPhone.
  • Reply 19 of 36
    Can someone Photoshop a battery bump on the back of that? I mean, why not?
    edited May 2016
  • Reply 20 of 36
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    the notion that Apple would have two different 5.5" versions was idiotic. it proves Kuo isn't as "well-connected" as this site believes him to be. 
    cali
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