“I’m not going to stand up and say the economy grew by 26 percent,” Power, an independent economist, said after the release. “It’s meaningless -- we would be laughing” if these numbers came out of China, he said.
NO, NO, PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT. THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY REAL NUMBERS.
Well that isn't a case against Apple, it's a case against the Irish government, so you're pretty misinformed there.
Why is there no new growth coming out of Eurocorpse? I was using smartphone ms as an example, since it has been the biggest driver of growth in the last decade. Us versus them when you're trying to get Apple to part with 8 billion dollars to give to politicians to do what they will with, you better believe it! Short of that I've actually had a long history of liking Europe.
EU has pretty consistent average annual growth of around 2%, only a little bit behind the US.
Why is there no new growth coming out of Eurocorpse? I was using smartphone ms as an example, since it has been the biggest driver of growth in the last decade. Us versus them when you're trying to get Apple to part with 8 billion dollars to give to politicians to do what they will with, you better believe it! Short of that I've actually had a long history of liking Europe.
EU has pretty consistent average annual growth of around 2%, only a little bit behind the US.
You seem to be just stabbing in the dark now.
Name a big flourishing EU company thriving on the world stage in a highly competitive market.
Name a big flourishing EU company thriving on the world stage in a highly competitive market.
Why? So you can squirm and redefine "big" "thriving" "world stage" and "highly competitive" to the parameters that suit you?
Oh go on then, have fun with: - BMW - ARM - GSK - SAP - Siemens - Sage - IKEA - Shell - Bosch
Airbus, Rolls Royce, Lidl, Aldi, Porsche, etc. There used to be a big one called Nokia, until they were stupid enough to choose an American ex executive to run it who did so badly you could be forgiven for thinking it was actually deliberate, especially when he then sells the destroyed company to Microsoft - almost as if he never really stopped working for them.
Why? So you can squirm and redefine "big" "thriving" "world stage" and "highly competitive" to the parameters that suit you?
Oh go on then, have fun with: - BMW - ARM - GSK - SAP - Siemens - Sage - IKEA - Shell - Bosch
Airbus, Rolls Royce, Lidl, Aldi, Porsche, etc. There used to be a big one called Nokia, until they were stupid enough to choose an American ex executive to run it who did so badly you could be forgiven for thinking it was actually deliberate, especially when he then sells the destroyed company to Microsoft - almost as if he never really stopped working for them.
1) none of these companies started after the formation of the EU. 2) The luxury car market is not really highly competitive, especially against other countries. BMW competes with Mercedes and Audi... All European. 3) if you really believe Nokia was positioned to compete in the age of the smartphone you are completely deluded. Post the Nokia phone poised to compete against iPhone anywhere between 2007-2010
3) if you really believe Nokia was positioned to compete in the age of the smartphone you are completely deluded. Post the Nokia phone poised to compete against iPhone anywhere between 2007-2010
Post the regulation that prevented Nokia from competing.
Lack of vision and bad management is not a symptom of regulation.
1) none of these companies started after the formation of the EU.
Lack of vision and bad management is not a symptom of regulation.
Thank you for making my point for me. Nokia did not fail because Apple had a fair advantage because of the tax deal. They failed because they had "Lack of vision and bad management"
Lack of vision and bad management is not a symptom of regulation.
Thank you for making my point for me. Nokia did not fail because Apple had a fair advantage because of the tax deal. They failed because they had "Lack of vision and bad management"
Your point has consistently been about regulation! You're completely changing your argument!
So? What EU regulations are you referring to that only apply to new companies?
Burdensome corporate tax rate... What this article and issue is about... duh!!!
Well there is no EU Corporation Tax, so that's nonsense.
Besides that, I'm pretty sure that the national corporate tax rates apply to companies quite independently of their size, unless the company worms into a special deal like Apple did. You just completely destroyed your own argument!
Burdensome corporate tax rate... What this article and issue is about... duh!!!
Well there is no EU Corporation Tax, so that's nonsense.
Besides that, I'm pretty sure that the national corporate tax rates apply to companies quite independently of their size, unless the company worms into a special deal like Apple did. You just completely destroyed your own argument!
You've told me I don't know what I'm talking about. But do you? This whole issue is about the EU forcing EU Member countries to collect a certain amount of corporate tax. The EU is investigating and prosecuting EU member countries that create tax deals for corporations and on top of that forcing those companies to pay back taxes. If that is not a burden in your mind then it's even more clear why the EU is misguided.
Thank you for making my point for me. Nokia did not fail because Apple had a fair advantage because of the tax deal. They failed because they had "Lack of vision and bad management"
Your point has consistently been about regulation! You're completely changing your argument!
Tax is a form of regulation. Maybe even the quintessential regulation.
Well there is no EU Corporation Tax, so that's nonsense.
Besides that, I'm pretty sure that the national corporate tax rates apply to companies quite independently of their size, unless the company worms into a special deal like Apple did. You just completely destroyed your own argument!
You've told me I don't know what I'm talking about. But do you? This whole issue is about the EU forcing EU Member countries to collect a certain amount of corporate tax. The EU is investigating and prosecuting EU member countries that create tax deals for corporations and on top of that forcing those companies to pay back taxes. If that is not a burden in your mind then it's even more clear why the EU is misguided.
The EU mandates that its member countries must not provide state aid, which includes corporation tax deals to particular companies that are not available to others. No, I do not consider that prohibition to be burdensome. Prohibiting individual tax negotiations actually enforces a simplicity and clarity to business. The fact that Ireland already has one of he lowest corporation tax rates in the world should make it evidently not a burden that they aren't allowed to unfairly gift further secret allowances to particular companies.
Your point has consistently been about regulation! You're completely changing your argument!
Tax is a form of regulation. Maybe even the quintessential regulation.
But you just admitted that Nokia failed because of bad vision and management, not regulation! Make up your damn mind!
Besides, Ireland has one of the lowest corporation tax rates in the world, so this is all highly unconvincing.
Unless you're arguing for the total abolition of corporation tax, in which case I don't see why you're singling out the EU. Pretty much every country in the world has corporation tax.
Oh for heavens sake, since we're on an Apple fan site you should be aware of VocalIQ, Imagination, ARM (who I already mentioned and you ignored).
That's three successful startups from one country in the EU that are pertinent to this site. Want me to cast the net wider while you wriggle?
Weren't these all bought out by U.S. companies recently?
VocalIQ was, by Apple. Because they had a great company and product. The other two have not been bought, but have great companies and products.
So there's your startups. You asked me to name a single one, and I gave you three from the same (well, similar/related at least) industry and in the same country.
Tax is a form of regulation. Maybe even the quintessential regulation.
Ireland has one of the lowest corporation tax rates in the world, so this is highly unconvincing.
Unless you're arguing for the total abolition of corporation tax, in which case I don't see why you're singling out the EU. Pretty much every country in the world has corporation tax.
If Apple was an Irish company and only had to pay taxes in Ireland your point would make sense. But Apple is not an Irish company and Ireland is not the only place it has to pay taxes. Now you've come full circle to where this whole issue begins, totally missing the argument. I think your just mad I called Euros fags.
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NO, NO, PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT. THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY REAL NUMBERS.
You seem to be just stabbing in the dark now.
Oh go on then, have fun with:
- BMW
- ARM
- GSK
- SAP
- Siemens
- Sage
- IKEA
- Shell
- Bosch
2) The luxury car market is not really highly competitive, especially against other countries. BMW competes with Mercedes and Audi... All European.
3) if you really believe Nokia was positioned to compete in the age of the smartphone you are completely deluded. Post the Nokia phone poised to compete against iPhone anywhere between 2007-2010
If they're so crippled by regulation then why hasn't some upstart free marketeer disrupted that market?
Post the regulation that prevented Nokia from competing.
Lack of vision and bad management is not a symptom of regulation.
Burdensome corporate tax rate... What this article and issue is about... duh!!!
Oh for heavens sake, since we're on an Apple fan site you should be aware of VocalIQ, Imagination, ARM (who I already mentioned and you ignored).
That's three successful startups from one country in the EU that are pertinent to this site. Want me to cast the net wider while you wriggle?
Besides that, I'm pretty sure that the national corporate tax rates apply to companies quite independently of their size, unless the company worms into a special deal like Apple did. You just completely destroyed your own argument!
Tax is a form of regulation. Maybe even the quintessential regulation.
Weren't these all bought out by U.S. companies recently?
But you just admitted that Nokia failed because of bad vision and management, not regulation! Make up your damn mind!
Besides, Ireland has one of the lowest corporation tax rates in the world, so this is all highly unconvincing.
Unless you're arguing for the total abolition of corporation tax, in which case I don't see why you're singling out the EU. Pretty much every country in the world has corporation tax.
So there's your startups. You asked me to name a single one, and I gave you three from the same (well, similar/related at least) industry and in the same country.
Come on, give it to me, move the goalposts again.