Love how all these new Google apologists (and a couple of existing longer term members who aren't one-hit wonders) completely ignore the privacy invading features of this phone when it's the number one reason the whole phone from the hardware, OS to every single Google app on it exists. Are you all so lacking in concern that a company tracks your every single movement on the internet, monetises it and sells access to *you* to other companies so they can sell you crap you don't need or want? And for those who claim they don't care because they aren't the ones who succumb to advertising, that's bullshit, the advertising industry is one of the biggest on the planet because why? Not because it's a waste of money, these companies are better at this than you think.
These companies spend because it works, and with all the extra personal information that you give willingly to Google, which they collect about you personally from their products (the ones you buy, pay for as well as use for free), their advertisers have an even better chance than simple advertising in impersonal ways (which is bad enough). These companies spend BILLIONS each year because it works, and people who use Google products give these companies better information so they can *better* extract money from your pockets than people who don't use Google products. As for "opt-out", firstly it's not a default setting, and secondly they don't stop tracking and collecting information about you, they only (are supposed to stop) serving you personalised ads. What they still do is analyse all that extra personal information about you to build profiles that are then used to help these advertisers with others, but also generally (in less specific, less supposedly personal ways) with you. How fucking creepy, how utterly creepy.
Google's products should be free (based on their model), but this product has the audacity to be costed similarly to products that *don't* track your activities, monetise them and sell them to advertisers so they can do one thing: extract money from your wallet, and all of you who come on here to this forum, join up to defend this practice as well to tell us we're the idiots and we're wrong and our choices are bad? Give me a fucking break.
There are some serious issues with this type of product and as for the people who are going to willingly submit their privacy for the profit of others, well, how stupid to pay even more for a product than its initial (high in this case) cost. I can't fathom the attitude that one has to have to believe that paying others to manipulate you better is something you willingly do (advertisements are manipulations), and then go on an internet forum of the other product to defend this craziness (and it is crazy to pay people to invade your privacy, don't even try to defend it). Serious disconnections with a sane reality have to exist to believe this is a healthy attitude about oneself, your privacy should be sacrosanct and not up for sale, not at any cost or for any reason.
Say what you will about Apple and its products, but at least there's an honesty that's utterly lacking in these other manufacturers who aren't profiting off the the initial sale of their products to you but rather the source of their profits is the way in which you use their products post sale, so their aim is cheap materials, low quality slap it together manufacturing but ultimately it's about quantity - the more people using their products, the more money they make in selling *you*, because you are the product, the better they and their customers are in reaching around you so they can grab your wallet and extract your hard earned money from it without your realising this slight of hand trick of theirs (which is the true source of their profit, not the initial sale). Honesty, that's not Google, and this product, it's just their latest method of fooling you to succumb to their horrific and dishonest practice of taking your money when you're not realising it. How utterly foolish to do so willingly, and the defence of this on this site here is both galling and appalling. /stepping down off soapbox
Google is too proud to price the Pixel phones anything other than the same as iPhone. On the hardware spec the Pixel phones are really outdated. The back of the Pixel phone are just hideous. If you need glass then do the glass iPhone 5/5s/SE way. And with all the human brain power and AI brain power they come up with "Real Blue", "Quite Black" etc, what the fuck was Google marketing people thinking? Is that a signal the marketing people don't have much confidence in the products? Weird. It is great DED would call out Pixel phones what they are really are while other bloggers, journalists just ignore the obvious facts. I am sure the price for Pixel would be slashed or discounted heavily during the holiday season.
sog35 said: The s7 isn't current king of speed in android, the one plus 3 is. This is becUse it has a near stock Android and same specs as s7, just faster software. The Pixel technically has an even faster version of the chip and Google's phones are always fast and snappy . There won't be much real world difference between iPhone 7 and Pixel In Real world speed. The one plus 3 did well against the iPhone 7 in real world speed test. A little slower but not much at all and sometimes faster so.
As noted, the Pixel has 4GB of RAM. It also doesn't have a weak processor. It may or may not be weaker than the A10 Fusion, but it's just about the best mobile processor available outside that (at least on paper).
The issue from what I understand is more that Android requires more power and doesn't have the same unity between hardware and software as iOS. Though anyone who's used both high end Apple and Android phones should be able to tell you that there's no real discernible difference. Benchmarking scores are all well and good, but when a phone instantly does everything you want it to the differences are irrelevant. It also has some features the iPhone 7 doesn't have.
That said, it is over-priced. The iPhone 7 / 7 Plus are too, but the Apple brand is big enough to support the pricing, I'm not sure Google (as a hardware brand) is.
This is not true.
The current king of Android speed S7 got absolutely demolished by the iPhone7 in real world tests.
It took the S7 3 minutes and 14 seconds. It took the Iphone7 only 1 minute and 40 seconds.
Google used the Pixel to launch its Daydream VR. It's too bad that Apple does not have a VR SDK and hardware spec for the iPhone because the iPhone 7 Plus would destroy the Pixel with its vastly better performance and wide color support.
Not with that 750p and 1080p resolution are the iPhones beating anything at VR
Wow the article is so Apple biased. Putting so much stock in a single benchmark. One that I personally no longer trust. Funny how Android phones score much lower in the new Geekbench 4 yet the iPhones score same as they did in gb3. The sd821 will be plenty fast in the pixel backed by 4gb of ram, UFS nand and Google optimization. Have any of you ever used a Nexus? My Nexus 6p is smooth and fast with a sd810, 3gb of ram and slow nand. I Imagine the Pixel will be much faster than the 6p. The one plus 3 is the current fastest Android, not much slower than a iPhone 7 real world and it has a sd820 chip and near stock Android software. The pixel will be plenty fast, trust me. I noticed in plenty videos of the event people messing with the phones mentioned the speed of the devices (fast). Android has come a long way and in its pure form like on nexus devices or the Pixel, it's very optimized, smooth and fast. Android has also gained a lot of features and polishes here and there. This phone will give an experience comparable to an iPhone.
It seems obvious to me that the phone on the left has a cleaner interface, which is disappointing as a long-time Apple fan. Yes, they're both rounded rectangles, but what matters is what's on the screen, and Google's screen is cleaner. It really doesn't matter who did what first - both sides have appropriated ideas from the other. What matters is where they are now. I use both OSs daily, and Android wins on usability as an OS just as much as iOS wins with virtually every app. Messages wins. Siri loses. And so on.
This is a joke post, right? Google blatantly copied the iPhone...again.
No, it's not a joke post. Google clearly copied the external look of the iPhone as well as the pricing of the iPhone. But the home screen isn't a copy - it's much cleaner. You could, if you wanted, have absolutely no icons there, whereas with iOS you must have every app somewhere on a home screen. In Android, it's a trivial matter to move icons around, use multiple copies of the same on in different folders if you so choose, etc. In iOS, there's only one icon per app, all apps must be shown, and moving them is a tedious process of going into "I'm a gonna move icons now" mode and then out of it. I prefer a clean desktop in real life. I prefer a clean home screen on my phone. It's a preference, that's all, but one iOS doesn't allow.
I use them both. I don't particularly feel the need to go on about what I prefer about iOS because no one here would dispute that. But, if you're going to bash Android, it's better to know what you're bashing and why, lest you otherwise just seem to be bashing it simply because it's not what you prefer.
Be careful extrapolating the scale of Apple's efforts in any technology; most of its efforts are kept under wraps until the technology is fully baked, and as Apple's efforts in Maps has demonstrated, Apple has the ability to run the long race and win.
I absolutely agree with most of what you said, but I disagree that Apple has won the Maps war. I think far more people use Google's version than Apple's, except specifically on iOS. I'm not saying Apple won't win the Maps war; I'm just saying they're still behind.
Wow. So many new Android - or should i say Google - trolls! It's too much to handle! I mean one Gatorguy is funny. Every forum needs a housetroll. The trolls posts are full of bullshit.
Perhaps you'd help make the forums better if the very first post you ever made wasn't used to insult other long-standing members or troll others into responding in kind. You should familiarize yourself with forum rules if you want to be accepted as a respected member or hang around more than a few posts. There are posters who do get banned for personal attacks. Moderators are a bit more forgiving with those who have been here for awhile. Coming out of the gate with ad-homs and egregious trolling isn't a good way to start out IMO and mods have less patience with the ones who begin that day one.
Wow. So many new Android - or should i say Google - trolls! It's too much to handle! I mean one Gatorguy is funny. Every forum needs a housetroll. The trolls posts are full of bullshit.
Pixel buyers: Please wait, this phone will be on sale soon! The definition of Google Tax: first we screw you with an overpriced phone and then we screw you with a bunch of ads.
By the way. Here in Europe Google (you know the spyware company the tech blogs love so much) is heading for big problems. The EU thinks that gathering search results and selling ads based on it is against the law! They are looking for ways to stop Google from doing that.
Perhaps you'd help make the forums better if the very first post you ever made wasn't used to insult other long-standing members or troll others into responding in kind. You should familiarize yourself with forum rules if you want to be accepted as a respected member or hang around more than a few posts. There are posters who do get banned for personal attacks.
How ironic of all the new posters in this thread, you choose one that isn't blindly obedient and supportive of Google to chastise. [rolls eyes]
Wow. So many new Android - or should i say Google - trolls! It's too much to handle! I mean one Gatorguy is funny. Every forum needs a housetroll. The trolls posts are full of bullshit.
Pixel buyers: Please wait, this phone will be on sale soon! The definition of Google Tax: first we screw you with an overpriced phone and then we screw you with a bunch of ads.
By the way. Here in Europe Google (you know the spyware company the tech blogs love so much) is heading for big problems. The EU thinks that gathering search results and selling ads based on it is against the law! They are looking for ways to stop Google from doing that.
Perhaps you'd help make the forums better if the very first post you ever made wasn't used to insult other long-standing members or troll others into responding in kind. You should familiarize yourself with forum rules if you want to be accepted as a respected member or hang around more than a few posts. There are posters who do get banned for personal attacks.
How ironic of all the new posters in this thread, you choose one that isn't blindly obedient and supportive of Google to chastise. [rolls eyes]
I've chastised new members before who come in swinging, particularly if no one else has already gone on offence against it. Yup, even Android fans. This one got my attention for an obvious reason that had zero to do with Google, which you would know from the quote. The forum isn't made better if the egregious trolling is done by an Apple fan instead is it?
Wow. So many new Android - or should i say Google - trolls! It's too much to handle! I mean one Gatorguy is funny. Every forum needs a housetroll. The trolls posts are full of bullshit.
Pixel buyers: Please wait, this phone will be on sale soon! The definition of Google Tax: first we screw you with an overpriced phone and then we screw you with a bunch of ads.
By the way. Here in Europe Google (you know the spyware company the tech blogs love so much) is heading for big problems. The EU thinks that gathering search results and selling ads based on it is against the law! They are looking for ways to stop Google from doing that.
Perhaps you'd help make the forums better if the very first post you ever made wasn't used to insult other long-standing members or troll others into responding in kind. You should familiarize yourself with forum rules if you want to be accepted as a respected member or hang around more than a few posts. There are posters who do get banned for personal attacks.
How ironic of all the new posters in this thread, you choose one that isn't blindly obedient and supportive of Google to chastise. [rolls eyes]
I've chastised new members before who come in swinging, particularly if no one else has already gone on offence against it. This one got my attention for an obvious reason that had zero to do with Google, which you would know from the quote. The forum isn't made better if the egregious trolling is done by an Apple fan instead is it?
I think you personally took offence when there was none, and it wasn't because your name was mentioned in the post. Trolling, yes, but I think you fail to understand the concept.
Gatorguy please don't stop posting! That's all i ask from you. Is that an insult? We need Google defenders. The world needs them!
Nope, that's not an insult at all, and much improved from your first one.
So about your mention that the EU is trying to stop Google from using search results for advertising purposes. Could you expand on that as it's something I've not ever read about.
My guess is you've confused the issues the EU has stated they have with Google Search. Either that or you've confused it with a recent complaint against Facebook in Europe. The EU Commission has no issue with search and ads per-se and far as I've seen. It's the competition aspect they're looking into as it pertains to Google. http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-2532_en.htm
IMHO it's pretty clear to me that Google won't be permitted to promote their own services to the detriment of competitors, and perhaps that's as it should be. Things that may be seen as perfectly proper as a company is growing may no longer be acceptable once it becomes a market leader. Locking out other competitors when a service has become the a "dominant force" as the EU words it could be one of those things that just has to go away. IMHO Google should deal with it and move on. The EU Commission claims to have a lot of power over world-wide operations of international companies and fighting them once they're convinced they're right will be a waste of effort in most every case.
If this becomes a distracting issue in this thread you might consider starting one specifically concerning it where it can be discussed. By the way it might be noted that the EU has been using "dominant position" rather than claims of a monopoly in their recent investigations. "Dominant position" would seem not to preclude an investigation even tho a service provider may not have a monopoly on their market. Large multi-nationals doing business in Europe are surely taking note of that. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/13/technology/How-Europe-Is-Going-After-U.S.-Tech-Giants.html?_r=0
The Pixel is a vessel for Google's AI and Machine learning prowess.
And right now, you'd be hard-pressed to find a phone with a better AI and multimedia experience than the Pixel.
This is why the Pixel is better than any phone Apple has created. And will continue to be better than any Phone Apple will create moving forward.
Unless of course, AI and Machine Learning is just a fad.
We shall see.
People vote with their wallets.
You can make up all the high sounding jibberish you want. But ultimately its the consumer who decides which phone is the best for the 'real world'
We shall see how many $650 Pixel phones Google sells vs the iPhone7.
That will be the answer to which is the better phone.
The Pixel is not going to sell better than the iPhone 7. It's a new brand. And Google doesn't have the retail and supply chain expertise that Apple has.
However, if Google continues to be at the forefront of AI and Machine Learning, then within the next couple of years, the Pixel will become a serious and formidable contender to the iPhone.
Google with the Pixel brand is the only company that can topple the dominance of the iPhone. Apple should be very worried, considering that they're behind in AI and Machine Learning.
Google over the years has avoided directly competing with Apple, but now, they've just dropped the gauntlet. People are underestimating the Pixel based on specs. That's misguided.
The Pixel's nuclear bomb is AI. It has better smarts than any smartphone. Period. And those smarts are only going to get deeper and more profound as the months and years pass by.
Are you telling me the AI in the Pixel won't be available on $99 Android phones?
And stop acting like Google somehow discovered the AI god-child. Give me a break. Apple already has a huge AI team. IBM, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, and Amazon.
Stop acting like Google has a monopoly on AI. They don't.
And please explain to me why the average consumer would choose a Pixel phone over an iPhone based on AI? Why? 90% of iPhone users don't even regularly use Siri. Why the hell would they abandon a brand they trust for AI? Give me a break.
Actually google has come out and said they won't put the AI on other phones.
So far Alexa has been my favorite experience. I think Amazon is definitely one of the strong contenders. It will be interesting to see how Google's new AI works though once the phones are available and the home device is. Waiting for Apple's home device though because that would be nice to see.
Thats pretty dumb not having AI on other Android devices.
Android is truly imploding from inside.
If Google really thinks they can change the landscape of smartphones by selling 100k Pixel phones in the next year, they are more arrogant and stupid then I though. They won't even sell 1 million Pixel phones by the end of the year
They will have an AI, but it will be google now and not Google Assistant.
Are you sure? I have Allo installed on Android 6 and it works, as far as I know, the same as the Assistant. What am I missing?
Its not integrated into the OS its built only into Allo
The Pixel is a vessel for Google's AI and Machine learning prowess.
And right now, you'd be hard-pressed to find a phone with a better AI and multimedia experience than the Pixel.
This is why the Pixel is better than any phone Apple has created. And will continue to be better than any Phone Apple will create moving forward.
Unless of course, AI and Machine Learning is just a fad.
so you've used the device? you can buy movie tickets exceptionally well?
and why on earth would you believe it impossible for any other firm to do better than google in this relatively new area of mobile computing? hogwash.
You are right. I think too that other companies, like Amazon, MS and Facebook, are capable of match or being better than Google in AI and Machine Learning. Apple? Not sure about them. Based in what they have done with Siri recently and how slow they have react to cloud computing, data centers and Machine Learning, I don't see them being an important part of this market.
And I don't think Machine Learning and AI are a "new area of mobile computing". Mobile users benefit from it, but it's a lot more than a that.
Actually, Apple can do just as well or better than anyone else in AI with the possible exception of Amazon. Amazon and Apple have very high quality data on their customer bases. Google has to extrapolate data based on search requests on the iOS user base. Monetizing the Android userbase is far less lucrative. Amazon has actual purchasing patterns and has essentially locked Google completely out from obtaining data on their prime members.
With Apple, they are trying to balance privacy issues with data acquisition. They are moving slowly, but it doesn't mean that they aren't working on AI. While I would like to see Siri become a better assistant, I much prefer that Apple honor my privacy as they have done.
Apple is figuring out how to anonymize the data so that they can use it meaningfully. They are behind in data analytics but will rapidly catch up. They have the most important userbase and large numbers of Chinese also on iOS. Something that Google does not have access to.
Apple's GPU technology is far better than Google's. And machine learning depends much more on the GPU.
Amazon and Facebook are going to destroy Google's ad revenues. And the company will flounder. Apple has the luxury of time. GOOGL does not. They have to make Google assistant a success while they can. Before Amazon's Alexa takes over. I know that I will purchase a fire tablet just to get Alexa. A far better investment than the ridiculously expensive Pixel.
I don't think Apple will do better, even though they can. Amazon, Google, MS and Facebook have huge infrastructures with data from billions of users. And that's, in part, to iOS users who have been using non-Apple services and giving their data to those companies for years, while they only use Siri to make calls and appointments. And right now, I don't see things changing.
Something that Google does not have access to.
Apple's GPU technology is far better than Google's. And machine learning depends much more on the GPU.
More important than GPU, is the infrastructure and services where all the information is processed, and Apple clearly lack in both.
More important than GPU, is the infrastructure and services where all the information is processed, and Apple clearly lack in both.
You are going to have to back that one up.
Apple is building out their own server farms. The real question on my mind is whether Apple is using Intel's Xeons or perhaps waiting on an ARM solution which would be more elegant in meeting Apple's specific needs and likely more efficient.
The only service in which Apple does not compete in yet is search. Siri is based on Bing. But so is Alexa and Alexa works quite well maps is rapidly improving. And the most important search queries are being lost to Google as the public moves to mobile devices for most of their computing. Amazon's app is where much of the shopping starts, not on Google search. And the most important demographic, prime members finish their shopping there. Amazon is not sharing that data with Google. And it is far more valuable than search these days from an advertising perspective.
I can't stand the Chrome browser. I don't use it at all. It has been deleted from all of my computers and computing devices. Duck duck go is my default search engine. And Google's messages are interesting when I follow a duck duck go link to a YouTube video. They disapprove of my search engine choice.
Apple still has the far more valuable data and effectively walling off Google from it. Amazon is doing the same.
Google has the data they collected in the past from iOS and Amazon users. They need to act on it quickly because they are losing more and more access to those populations.
I am going to add the Amazon Fire to my iPad. It now comes with Alexa. The Echo is an outstanding device. And it ties into the Amazon marketplace. Google has no access to that data and Amazon does.
And if anyone thinks AI can function in a vacuum without data, they had better think again. Because my Amazon product searches are far better than ones I make on Google. Amazon knows me far better. And the suggestions are far more "thoughtful" than Google results. It's definitely noticeable to me. And don't think it isn't lost to the CEOs of Amazon and Google.
Google has a new threat to worry about also. Verizon just purchased Yahoo. Does anyone really think that Verizon, the largest network carrier won't be using Yahoo for default search?
This is a desperation move for Google and likely the reason the device was released in the Verizon network. It still won't sell. The Samsung Exynos processor is better than the snapdragon 821 and Samsung phones are better overall.
Google services are getting locked out. That trend will continue to accelerate. Samsung now has Viv, Verizon has Yahoo, the most lucrative shopping demographic is moving to apps, Apple is rapidly upgrading maps, Facebook has a billion users and sights on Google's advertising.
This is the only play that Google has. They are playing their poker hand the best they can. It is actually a pretty weak hand. Most of the public care about the quality of pictures, not how well Google assistant works.
Apple's position is still far stronger than Google. And there are things happening that could still propel MSFT in the mobile OS space.
What gets me is how Google tries to take on ALL of the tech titans at once. Apple with the Pixel and Android. Facebook with Google+ and now Oculus with their own VR, Samsung with the Pixel, Amazon's Echo with Google Home, Internet explorer with Chrome and now they are going after Yelp also. Does the leadership at Google not know that all of these companies are now targeting them specifically? Only Microsoft decided to go after Google with Bing. None of the others did. They picked on the wrong guy with Bezos. He will finish the task that Steve Jobs started.
Google still doesn't realize that iOS users aren't going to purchase the pixel just to get Google assistant. Most of the public cares about buying things as inexpensively as they can. Some care about convenience and quality. Amazon has captured many of them with Prime and Apple with iOS. Google assistant won't help much to capture those users. And Google is now using HTC to build their phones. If Samsung is having difficulties competing at the high end, the HYC device is going to get slaughtered.
So about your mention that the EU is trying to stop Google from using search results for advertising purposes. Could you expand on that as it's something I've not ever read about.
No i am not confused. It was in a Dutch major newspaper. It had an interview with the woman from the EU who wants to fight Google about this. So it's in the works, not really in the news. Remember Neelie Smit Kroes? She almost on her own got the European carriers on her knees about data roaming. Also now Germany doesn't allow Facebook and What's App to share data. Just to show you how things are quite different then in the USA. We don't have clowns running for president either.
So about your mention that the EU is trying to stop Google from using search results for advertising purposes. Could you expand on that as it's something I've not ever read about.
No i am not confused. It was in a Dutch major newspaper. It had an interview with the woman from the EU who wants to fight Google about this. So it's in the works, not really in the news. Remember Neelie Smit Kroes? She almost on her own got the European carriers on her knees about data roaming. Also now Germany doesn't allow Facebook and What's App to share data. Just to show you how things are quite different then in the USA. We don't have clowns running for president either.
It must be in the news since you mentioned you read it. Perhaps you meant this woman, whose statements I linked earlier tho you may not have yet taken the time to read it:
"Commissioner Margrethe Vestager, in charge of competition policy, said: "Google has come up with many innovative products that have made a difference to our lives. But that doesn't give Google the right to deny other companies the chance to compete and innovate. Today, we have further strengthened our case that Google has unduly favoured its own comparison shopping service in its general search result pages. It means consumers may not see the most relevant results to their search queries. We have also raised concerns that Google has hindered competition by limiting the ability of its competitors to place search adverts on third party websites, which stifles consumer choice and innovation..." " The Commission's preliminary view set out in today's Statement of Objections is that these practices have enabled Google to protect its dominant position in online search advertising. It has prevented existing and potential competitors, including other search providers and online advertising platforms, from entering and growing in this commercially important area."
If that's not it perhaps you could offer the link to the article you read where the EU is trying to block search ads? You said "The EU thinks that gathering search results and selling ads based on it is against the law! They are looking for ways to stop Google from doing that."
I am truly interested as it would conflict with the EU statement of objections to Google Search where they want to encourage more "innovation" in search-linked ads in part by requiring Google to include more 3rd party results and thus allow other companies to be more successful at it. Therefor I do think you are confused about what you thought you read, but if you have the article that shows otherwise I'd love to read it myself. In any even I can see it's something your interested in so starting a new thread to discuss it seems appropriate. I'll watch for your new thread and make further comments there to avoid further distracting from this one.
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These companies spend because it works, and with all the extra personal information that you give willingly to Google, which they collect about you personally from their products (the ones you buy, pay for as well as use for free), their advertisers have an even better chance than simple advertising in impersonal ways (which is bad enough). These companies spend BILLIONS each year because it works, and people who use Google products give these companies better information so they can *better* extract money from your pockets than people who don't use Google products. As for "opt-out", firstly it's not a default setting, and secondly they don't stop tracking and collecting information about you, they only (are supposed to stop) serving you personalised ads. What they still do is analyse all that extra personal information about you to build profiles that are then used to help these advertisers with others, but also generally (in less specific, less supposedly personal ways) with you. How fucking creepy, how utterly creepy.
Google's products should be free (based on their model), but this product has the audacity to be costed similarly to products that *don't* track your activities, monetise them and sell them to advertisers so they can do one thing: extract money from your wallet, and all of you who come on here to this forum, join up to defend this practice as well to tell us we're the idiots and we're wrong and our choices are bad? Give me a fucking break.
There are some serious issues with this type of product and as for the people who are going to willingly submit their privacy for the profit of others, well, how stupid to pay even more for a product than its initial (high in this case) cost. I can't fathom the attitude that one has to have to believe that paying others to manipulate you better is something you willingly do (advertisements are manipulations), and then go on an internet forum of the other product to defend this craziness (and it is crazy to pay people to invade your privacy, don't even try to defend it). Serious disconnections with a sane reality have to exist to believe this is a healthy attitude about oneself, your privacy should be sacrosanct and not up for sale, not at any cost or for any reason.
Say what you will about Apple and its products, but at least there's an honesty that's utterly lacking in these other manufacturers who aren't profiting off the the initial sale of their products to you but rather the source of their profits is the way in which you use their products post sale, so their aim is cheap materials, low quality slap it together manufacturing but ultimately it's about quantity - the more people using their products, the more money they make in selling *you*, because you are the product, the better they and their customers are in reaching around you so they can grab your wallet and extract your hard earned money from it without your realising this slight of hand trick of theirs (which is the true source of their profit, not the initial sale). Honesty, that's not Google, and this product, it's just their latest method of fooling you to succumb to their horrific and dishonest practice of taking your money when you're not realising it. How utterly foolish to do so willingly, and the defence of this on this site here is both galling and appalling. /stepping down off soapbox
The sd821 will be plenty fast in the pixel backed by 4gb of ram, UFS nand and Google optimization. Have any of you ever used a Nexus? My Nexus 6p is smooth and fast with a sd810, 3gb of ram and slow nand. I Imagine the Pixel will be much faster than the 6p. The one plus 3 is the current fastest Android, not much slower than a iPhone 7 real world and it has a sd820 chip and near stock Android software.
The pixel will be plenty fast, trust me. I noticed in plenty videos of the event people messing with the phones mentioned the speed of the devices (fast).
Android has come a long way and in its pure form like on nexus devices or the Pixel, it's very optimized, smooth and fast. Android has also gained a lot of features and polishes here and there. This phone will give an experience comparable to an iPhone.
I use them both. I don't particularly feel the need to go on about what I prefer about iOS because no one here would dispute that. But, if you're going to bash Android, it's better to know what you're bashing and why, lest you otherwise just seem to be bashing it simply because it's not what you prefer.
I absolutely agree with most of what you said, but I disagree that Apple has won the Maps war. I think far more people use Google's version than Apple's, except specifically on iOS. I'm not saying Apple won't win the Maps war; I'm just saying they're still behind.
So about your mention that the EU is trying to stop Google from using search results for advertising purposes. Could you expand on that as it's something I've not ever read about.
My guess is you've confused the issues the EU has stated they have with Google Search. Either that or you've confused it with a recent complaint against Facebook in Europe. The EU Commission has no issue with search and ads per-se and far as I've seen. It's the competition aspect they're looking into as it pertains to Google.
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-2532_en.htm
IMHO it's pretty clear to me that Google won't be permitted to promote their own services to the detriment of competitors, and perhaps that's as it should be. Things that may be seen as perfectly proper as a company is growing may no longer be acceptable once it becomes a market leader. Locking out other competitors when a service has become the a "dominant force" as the EU words it could be one of those things that just has to go away. IMHO Google should deal with it and move on. The EU Commission claims to have a lot of power over world-wide operations of international companies and fighting them once they're convinced they're right will be a waste of effort in most every case.
If this becomes a distracting issue in this thread you might consider starting one specifically concerning it where it can be discussed. By the way it might be noted that the EU has been using "dominant position" rather than claims of a monopoly in their recent investigations. "Dominant position" would seem not to preclude an investigation even tho a service provider may not have a monopoly on their market. Large multi-nationals doing business in Europe are surely taking note of that.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/13/technology/How-Europe-Is-Going-After-U.S.-Tech-Giants.html?_r=0
More important than GPU, is the infrastructure and services where all the information is processed, and Apple clearly lack in both.
More important than GPU, is the infrastructure and services where all the information is processed, and Apple clearly lack in both.
You are going to have to back that one up. Apple is building out their own server farms. The real question on my mind is whether Apple is using Intel's Xeons or perhaps waiting on an ARM solution which would be more elegant in meeting Apple's specific needs and likely more efficient. The only service in which Apple does not compete in yet is search. Siri is based on Bing. But so is Alexa and Alexa works quite well maps is rapidly improving. And the most important search queries are being lost to Google as the public moves to mobile devices for most of their computing. Amazon's app is where much of the shopping starts, not on Google search. And the most important demographic, prime members finish their shopping there. Amazon is not sharing that data with Google. And it is far more valuable than search these days from an advertising perspective. I can't stand the Chrome browser. I don't use it at all. It has been deleted from all of my computers and computing devices. Duck duck go is my default search engine. And Google's messages are interesting when I follow a duck duck go link to a YouTube video. They disapprove of my search engine choice. Apple still has the far more valuable data and effectively walling off Google from it. Amazon is doing the same. Google has the data they collected in the past from iOS and Amazon users. They need to act on it quickly because they are losing more and more access to those populations. I am going to add the Amazon Fire to my iPad. It now comes with Alexa. The Echo is an outstanding device. And it ties into the Amazon marketplace. Google has no access to that data and Amazon does. And if anyone thinks AI can function in a vacuum without data, they had better think again. Because my Amazon product searches are far better than ones I make on Google. Amazon knows me far better. And the suggestions are far more "thoughtful" than Google results. It's definitely noticeable to me. And don't think it isn't lost to the CEOs of Amazon and Google. Google has a new threat to worry about also. Verizon just purchased Yahoo. Does anyone really think that Verizon, the largest network carrier won't be using Yahoo for default search? This is a desperation move for Google and likely the reason the device was released in the Verizon network. It still won't sell. The Samsung Exynos processor is better than the snapdragon 821 and Samsung phones are better overall. Google services are getting locked out. That trend will continue to accelerate. Samsung now has Viv, Verizon has Yahoo, the most lucrative shopping demographic is moving to apps, Apple is rapidly upgrading maps, Facebook has a billion users and sights on Google's advertising. This is the only play that Google has. They are playing their poker hand the best they can. It is actually a pretty weak hand. Most of the public care about the quality of pictures, not how well Google assistant works. Apple's position is still far stronger than Google. And there are things happening that could still propel MSFT in the mobile OS space. What gets me is how Google tries to take on ALL of the tech titans at once. Apple with the Pixel and Android. Facebook with Google+ and now Oculus with their own VR, Samsung with the Pixel, Amazon's Echo with Google Home, Internet explorer with Chrome and now they are going after Yelp also. Does the leadership at Google not know that all of these companies are now targeting them specifically? Only Microsoft decided to go after Google with Bing. None of the others did. They picked on the wrong guy with Bezos. He will finish the task that Steve Jobs started. Google still doesn't realize that iOS users aren't going to purchase the pixel just to get Google assistant. Most of the public cares about buying things as inexpensively as they can. Some care about convenience and quality. Amazon has captured many of them with Prime and Apple with iOS. Google assistant won't help much to capture those users. And Google is now using HTC to build their phones. If Samsung is having difficulties competing at the high end, the HYC device is going to get slaughtered.No i am not confused. It was in a Dutch major newspaper. It had an interview with the woman from the EU who wants to fight Google about this. So it's in the works, not really in the news. Remember Neelie Smit Kroes? She almost on her own got the European carriers on her knees about data roaming. Also now Germany doesn't allow Facebook and What's App to share data. Just to show you how things are quite different then in the USA. We don't have clowns running for president either.
"Commissioner Margrethe Vestager, in charge of competition policy, said: "Google has come up with many innovative products that have made a difference to our lives. But that doesn't give Google the right to deny other companies the chance to compete and innovate. Today, we have further strengthened our case that Google has unduly favoured its own comparison shopping service in its general search result pages. It means consumers may not see the most relevant results to their search queries. We have also raised concerns that Google has hindered competition by limiting the ability of its competitors to place search adverts on third party websites, which stifles consumer choice and innovation..."
" The Commission's preliminary view set out in today's Statement of Objections is that these practices have enabled Google to protect its dominant position in online search advertising. It has prevented existing and potential competitors, including other search providers and online advertising platforms, from entering and growing in this commercially important area."
If that's not it perhaps you could offer the link to the article you read where the EU is trying to block search ads? You said "The EU thinks that gathering search results and selling ads based on it is against the law! They are looking for ways to stop Google from doing that."
I am truly interested as it would conflict with the EU statement of objections to Google Search where they want to encourage more "innovation" in search-linked ads in part by requiring Google to include more 3rd party results and thus allow other companies to be more successful at it. Therefor I do think you are confused about what you thought you read, but if you have the article that shows otherwise I'd love to read it myself. In any even I can see it's something your interested in so starting a new thread to discuss it seems appropriate. I'll watch for your new thread and make further comments there to avoid further distracting from this one.