The core problem with the complaints is that people hate change, they hate seeing the industry move on without them and they think it's the industry's fault for progressing without accomodating their particular workflow. Even when the replacement workflow is superior in every single way. A person who starts their workflow today is not going to have any problems with Apple's new laptop, hence the device is not flawed.
Naturally such complaints are myopic - Apple have replaced a laptop which had around 7 static-function ports, with 4 variable-function ports. Each of those 4 ports can replace the 7 on its own. There is simply not an audience that uses every static-function port, but everyone will be able to use the 4 ports on a macbook pro.
Now about "pros" - a lot of people think they're "pros" when they're not, and these criticisms really do sort the men from the boys - a professional doesn't worry about switching out a few inexpensive USB3 cables to keep their current peripherals working with their latest hardware purchase - it's not an outrageous cost to bear, and it's a tiny additional spend when buying a $2000+ laptop. For comparison my first pro laptop cost around $7k (closer to $9k in today's money), it didn't have a VGA port despite VGA being ubiquitous. I didn't throw out my screen, I used a dongle - however when I did eventually upgrade my screen you couldn't even buy a proper screen that still used VGA, and the whole market (myself included) were better for that.
The only complaint in this argument with even a little weight is SD-card based workflows, but this harkens back to floppy-disk based workflows. It's an outdated model, pros switched to wireless transfer for DSLR 5+ years ago, first with adapters, then with built-ins. Even still the alternative to keep using 10 year old hardware is doing just one of the following: switching a single cable, using a plug in device, switching to wireless mode on your DSLR, or switching to a wi-fi enabled SD card.
The core problem with the complaints is that people hate change, they hate seeing the industry move on without them and they think it's the industry's fault for progressing without accomodating their particular workflow. Even when the replacement workflow is superior in every single way. A person who starts their workflow today is not going to have any problems with Apple's new laptop, hence the device is not flawed.
Naturally such complaints are myopic - Apple have replaced a laptop which had around 7 static-function ports, with 4 variable-function ports. Each of those 4 ports can replace the 7 on its own. There is simply not an audience that uses every static-function port, but everyone will be able to use the 4 ports on a macbook pro.
Now about "pros" - a lot of people think they're "pros" when they're not, and these criticisms really do sort the men from the boys - a professional doesn't worry about switching out a few inexpensive USB3 cables to keep their current peripherals working with their latest hardware purchase - it's not an outrageous cost to bear, and it's a tiny additional spend when buying a $2000+ laptop. For comparison my first pro laptop cost around $7k (closer to $9k in today's money), it didn't have a VGA port despite VGA being ubiquitous. I didn't throw out my screen, I used a dongle - however when I did eventually upgrade my screen you couldn't even buy a proper screen that still used VGA, and the whole market (myself included) were better for that.
The only complaint in this argument with even a little weight is SD-card based workflows, but this harkens back to floppy-disk based workflows. It's an outdated model, pros switched to wireless transfer for DSLR 5+ years ago, first with adapters, then with built-ins. Even still the alternative to keep using 10 year old hardware is doing just one of the following: switching a single cable, using a plug in device, switching to wireless mode on your DSLR, or switching to a wi-fi enabled SD card.
Nice and appropriate comments - thank you. I am being entirely serious - on a forum mostly apparently inhabited by twelve-year-olds, some rational comments are valued ;-)
1. The advantage of MagSafe is the breakaway connection. The disadvantage is that they are prone to frayed cords (I'm on my second, replaced under AppleCare.)
2. That outlet supports 24 watts, max. Nowhere near enough to charge the 13" MBP, let alone the 15" model.
"Apple requires the 2nd generation TPS65983 chipset for peripherals to be compatible. Certification of solutions across different device types is still in-progress for this 2nd generation chipset. From the Plugable product line, our dual display graphics adapters for DisplayPort and HDMI (TBT3-DP2X and TBT3-HDMI2X) are affected and are disabled by OS X on the new MacBooks. So we offer these products as Windows-only Thunderbolt 3 devices until a future hardware update. Our Thunderbolt 3 cables do not require this chip, and therefore are compatible."
So that's apparently why it says "Windows-only" on their website.
"Apple is selling a less featured product for more money. But I am happy because Apple made even higher profits".
Definition of a fanboy.
Why can't we just leave technology as it is?!? It would be so much better if we still had big mobile devices that only use USB 2/1 plugs and there was a different connector for VGA and HDMI (not mini) and DVI, too!
Definition of a flat-earther
The product page for one of the devices in question says "For Windows based PCs only" right in the Features bullet list. Furthermore, the headline at the top of the page reads "PLUGABLE THUNDERBOLT™ 3 DUAL DISPLAYPORT ADAPTER FOR WINDOWS" (emphasis added by me)
I don't really see how Apple made a design decision to make MBPs incompatible with Plugable devices. It appears Plugable made the design decision to exclude Apple.
Not really. The problem would appear be in the TI controller. You would have to ask TI if they have discovered any issues with specification compliance. If not, then perhaps there is something amiss in the controllers used by Apple or some other cause. We'll have to wait. What is clear is that this is another 'doubt' that is unwanted.
If the problem is a TI controller that Plugable chose to use in their product, it's still Plugable's problem to support. When a GPU fails on a MacBook Pro, Apple doesn't point the finger at nvidia, they cover the problem under their own warrantee and make things right with their own customers.
I suppose it's possible Apple isn't implementing Thunderbolt 3 properly. But I doubt it.
Given their early adoption and faithfulness to Thunderbolt as a technology, I'm going to assume Apple is doing it right, until it is proven otherwise.
Apple probably ships more Thunderbolt devices over a weekend than Plugable has made in it's entire history.
The product page for one of the devices in question says "For Windows based PCs only" right in the Features bullet list. Furthermore, the headline at the top of the page reads "PLUGABLE THUNDERBOLT™ 3 DUAL DISPLAYPORT ADAPTER FOR WINDOWS" (emphasis added by me)
I don't really see how Apple made a design decision to make MBPs incompatible with Plugable devices. It appears Plugable made the design decision to exclude Apple.
That's because after testing it on the new Mac it turned out to be incompatible so they changed the product page to say it's for Windows only, see quote from company on Macrumors.com
Yikes, what a mess. Not what I call a good product launch at all!!! You can almost see a bizarre but definitely not wise and absolutely not sustainable business and or sales practice here. Choke the supply of water to the towns people for years, then open the stream up a little... watch the people flock to it. Similar to what is going on with Apple. Don't release an update for x amount of time, what 1-2-3 years, and then all of a sudden put anything out there... watch those with aging laptops flock to buy replacements, desperate for anything, something, as long as it's new. Not hearing a lot of good things about the new macbook pro. http://mjtsai.com/blog/2016/10/27/new-macbook-pros-and-the-state-of-the-mac/
The only complaint in this argument with even a little weight is SD-card based workflows, but this harkens back to floppy-disk based workflows. It's an outdated model, pros switched to wireless transfer for DSLR 5+ years ago, first with adapters, then with built-ins. Even still the alternative to keep using 10 year old hardware is doing just one of the following: switching a single cable, using a plug in device, switching to wireless mode on your DSLR, or switching to a wi-fi enabled SD card.
Pro's who work in the studio might well have done just that. I work with a number of wildlife Pro's. They'd never in a million years use WiFi from their cameras. They simply change cards when one is full. I was with one at the start of October. We had to lug (sorry backpack) all our gear (camera, lenses, food, water etc) up over a 3000ft peak and into a bivvy that was miles from anywhere. We were there for three days. We went in in the dark and left in the dark. We didn't have a PC/Mac with us. Too heavy. We swapped cards when needed. Simple and easy. When we came down from the mountain with some lovely shots of Red Deer Rutting and Golden Eagles we spent a day in the warm reviewing the images. The guy I was with then is back in the bivvy right now. He'll be back off and on for most of the winter. So please explain how using WiFi would benefit this use case. Answer it wouldn't. So your premise that 'pros switched to wireless DSLR 5+ years ago' is clearly false. The above use case is not that strange amongst wildlife photographers.
By the way the 2015 MacBook Pro has keep the same price at the Apple Store and other outlets! Best Buy say it still selling like its introduction in 2015!
The core problem with the complaints is that people hate change, they hate seeing the industry move on without them and they think it's the industry's fault for progressing without accomodating their particular workflow. Even when the replacement workflow is superior in every single way. A person who starts their workflow today is not going to have any problems with Apple's new laptop, hence the device is not flawed.
Naturally such complaints are myopic - Apple have replaced a laptop which had around 7 static-function ports, with 4 variable-function ports. Each of those 4 ports can replace the 7 on its own. There is simply not an audience that uses every static-function port, but everyone will be able to use the 4 ports on a macbook pro.
Now about "pros" - a lot of people think they're "pros" when they're not, and these criticisms really do sort the men from the boys - a professional doesn't worry about switching out a few inexpensive USB3 cables to keep their current peripherals working with their latest hardware purchase - it's not an outrageous cost to bear, and it's a tiny additional spend when buying a $2000+ laptop. For comparison my first pro laptop cost around $7k (closer to $9k in today's money), it didn't have a VGA port despite VGA being ubiquitous. I didn't throw out my screen, I used a dongle - however when I did eventually upgrade my screen you couldn't even buy a proper screen that still used VGA, and the whole market (myself included) were better for that.
The only complaint in this argument with even a little weight is SD-card based workflows, but this harkens back to floppy-disk based workflows. It's an outdated model, pros switched to wireless transfer for DSLR 5+ years ago, first with adapters, then with built-ins. Even still the alternative to keep using 10 year old hardware is doing just one of the following: switching a single cable, using a plug in device, switching to wireless mode on your DSLR, or switching to a wi-fi enabled SD card.
Except MagSafe. That is not a step forward. It's a step back
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Naturally such complaints are myopic - Apple have replaced a laptop which had around 7 static-function ports, with 4 variable-function ports. Each of those 4 ports can replace the 7 on its own. There is simply not an audience that uses every static-function port, but everyone will be able to use the 4 ports on a macbook pro.
Now about "pros" - a lot of people think they're "pros" when they're not, and these criticisms really do sort the men from the boys - a professional doesn't worry about switching out a few inexpensive USB3 cables to keep their current peripherals working with their latest hardware purchase - it's not an outrageous cost to bear, and it's a tiny additional spend when buying a $2000+ laptop. For comparison my first pro laptop cost around $7k (closer to $9k in today's money), it didn't have a VGA port despite VGA being ubiquitous. I didn't throw out my screen, I used a dongle - however when I did eventually upgrade my screen you couldn't even buy a proper screen that still used VGA, and the whole market (myself included) were better for that.
The only complaint in this argument with even a little weight is SD-card based workflows, but this harkens back to floppy-disk based workflows. It's an outdated model, pros switched to wireless transfer for DSLR 5+ years ago, first with adapters, then with built-ins. Even still the alternative to keep using 10 year old hardware is doing just one of the following: switching a single cable, using a plug in device, switching to wireless mode on your DSLR, or switching to a wi-fi enabled SD card.
https://www.amazon.com/TOPGREENER-TU21548AC-Type-C-Type-High-Speed-Receptacle/dp/B01FREZ8VE/ref=lp_9136693011_1_6?srs=9136693011&ie=UTF8&qid=1478225879&sr=8-6
I don't know how they are going to do it without getting rid of Intel Inside....
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/01/04/griffin-preps-magsafe-like-usb-c-power-adapter-acer-lenovo-unveil-usb-c-monitors
2. That outlet supports 24 watts, max. Nowhere near enough to charge the 13" MBP, let alone the 15" model.
"Apple requires the 2nd generation TPS65983 chipset for peripherals to be compatible. Certification of solutions across different device types is still in-progress for this 2nd generation chipset. From the Plugable product line, our dual display graphics adapters for DisplayPort and HDMI (TBT3-DP2X and TBT3-HDMI2X) are affected and are disabled by OS X on the new MacBooks. So we offer these products as Windows-only Thunderbolt 3 devices until a future hardware update. Our Thunderbolt 3 cables do not require this chip, and therefore are compatible."
So that's apparently why it says "Windows-only" on their website.
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/03/new-macbook-pros-thunderbolt-3-compatibility/
I suppose it's possible Apple isn't implementing Thunderbolt 3 properly. But I doubt it.
Given their early adoption and faithfulness to Thunderbolt as a technology, I'm going to assume Apple is doing it right, until it is proven otherwise.
Apple probably ships more Thunderbolt devices over a weekend than Plugable has made in it's entire history.
(I totally made up that last bit)
http://mjtsai.com/blog/2016/10/27/new-macbook-pros-and-the-state-of-the-mac/
iPhone 7 and 7 Plus less featured phones? Definition of a troll.
I was with one at the start of October. We had to lug (sorry backpack) all our gear (camera, lenses, food, water etc) up over a 3000ft peak and into a bivvy that was miles from anywhere. We were there for three days. We went in in the dark and left in the dark. We didn't have a PC/Mac with us. Too heavy. We swapped cards when needed. Simple and easy.
When we came down from the mountain with some lovely shots of Red Deer Rutting and Golden Eagles we spent a day in the warm reviewing the images.
The guy I was with then is back in the bivvy right now. He'll be back off and on for most of the winter.
So please explain how using WiFi would benefit this use case. Answer it wouldn't. So your premise that 'pros switched to wireless DSLR 5+ years ago' is clearly false.
The above use case is not that strange amongst wildlife photographers.