if apple does release larger screen sizes for the iMac line it looks as if you guys are gonna be dissapointed cause there is no way they are gonna meet you're pricepoints.
19 inch LCD with iMac upgrades for 1999?!
give me a break. I doubt the 17 inch model would cost that.
Comparing the prices of the two studio displays, $599 vs. $999 and hoping that the production cost of 17" LCDs has come down over the past year, I would expect to see a 17" iMac for about $300 more than the current 15's.
I hope Apple will see fit to increase display size across the line, not just in the high end. 17" with CDRW and 133MHz bus for $1699! That's my wish.
<strong>Comparing the prices of the two studio displays, $599 vs. $999 and hoping that the production cost of 17" LCDs has come down over the past year, I would expect to see a 17" iMac for about $300 more than the current 15's.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think you can do the 17" screens for about what the 15" goes for now. Consider that the iMac is $100 more than Apple expected they could do at intro, yet all component prices have dropped and no price decline. Components like the Superdrive have dropped considerably in price as has the G4 price.
Retail 17" screens can go as low as $600. That's $450-$500 cost. Toss in Apple's Samsung discount, and I think they can hit the current price points.
And yes, I think that the eMac was introduced to address the iMac screen shortcoming. CRT or LCD, people wanted a 17". My understanding is that it is selling well.
Like I said earlier, the 17" in anything other than a 16:10 ratio means the height of the LCD will change. Apple probably wants to keep the look more uniform, and if they really are going with new screens, I don't think they'd be selling both 15" and 17" models at the same time, save stale inventory.
a 17" 16:10 widescreen seems like the most likely choice because it's going to be cheaper than a 17" 5:4 display or 4:3 display. It's also going to be the same height. It's also already available from LG.
A widescreen 17" LCD would be nice for Apple's margins, AND for pricing. Great idea! It's an improvement over the current 15" LCD display area, but not as much as Apple's other 17" LCD, so it would probably cost less. To the consumer, it's a 17" LCD, and the widescreen profile has an extra "cool" factor.
If apple made such an iMac, I can see them dropping the 15" model entirely. But it would also make sense to keep both models, and use the 15" model as the budget version, and the 17" model as the SE version that gives phat margins.
That is the one thing holding me and a few other people I know back from the iMac: it's dinky little 15" LCD. Once you're used to a 19" CRT, a 15" LCD is a BIG step DOWN, and one most people are not willing to make. But a 17" LCD, even a widescreen version, would be doable. Plus I'd be able to work on two word documents side by side, probably the key feature of my 19" CRT.
Price? For a widescreen 17" LCD, I'd say the same as current iMacs, and drop the 15" model's price down about $150. For a standard 17" LCD, 1280x960, no more than $1999, and that is pushing it. $1899 would be better because it would keep the final price after tax, shipping, and a bit of RAM under $2000.
Probability? For some sort of imac with an LCD >15" (16" or 17", standard or widescreen profile), I'd say maybe 40%. I'd be more positive, but remember how long Apple dragged their asses on offering a 17" CRT iMac....it wasn't until the original iMac was replaced! If the eMac had been out two years earlier it would have sold like a muthafu[ker!
That is the one thing holding me and a few other people I know back from the iMac: it's dinky little 15" LCD. Once you're used to a 19" CRT, a 15" LCD is a BIG step DOWN, and one most people are not willing to make. But a 17" LCD, even a widescreen version, would be doable. Plus I'd be able to work on two word documents side by side, probably the key feature of my 19" CRT.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So, if there is a new iMac 17", you'll put some money where your mouth is? Or you will keep caterwauling from the sidelines? I look forward to the new, positive, productive JYD.
<strong>A widescreen 17" LCD would be nice for Apple's margins, AND for pricing. Great idea! It's an improvement over the current 15" LCD display area, but not as much as Apple's other 17" LCD, so it would probably cost less. To the consumer, it's a 17" LCD, and the widescreen profile has an extra "cool" factor.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So, basically you're just nodding sagely at what I've been saying.
[quote]If apple made such an iMac, I can see them dropping the 15" model entirely. But it would also make sense to keep both models, and use the 15" model as the budget version, and the 17" model as the SE version that gives phat margins.<hr></blockquote>
I don't see this feature overlap, price overlap happening. It gets complicated. Keep it simple. The widescreen doesn't really offer enough of a difference to justify having both. It's one or the other. See, with the widescreen you're just adding 2.4 inches in width... ~22 square inches.
[quote]Price? For a widescreen 17" LCD, I'd say the same as current iMacs, and drop the 15" model's price down about $150. For a standard 17" LCD, 1280x960, no more than $1999, and that is pushing it. $1899 would be better because it would keep the final price after tax, shipping, and a bit of RAM under $2000.<hr></blockquote>
A 17" 4:3 LCD in an iMac and a grand total price of $2000 is only possible if you don't update anything else...
[quote]Probability?<hr></blockquote>
Margins will be lower than ever. Go look at the stock market. The market demands it.
[quote]Originally posted by Yet Another Registration:
<strong>
So, if there is a new iMac 17", you'll put some money where your mouth is? Or you will keep caterwauling from the sidelines? I look forward to the new, positive, productive JYD.
Not to worry JYD, I'm one of those people caterwauling from the sidelines too. A mac purchase, due to the expense, is not to be taken lightly. There's an art to purchasing just enough at just the right time, so long as the old equipment still does the job. For the past 2+ years I've had near exclusive use of a small mac lab. I want my own mac, preferably a laptop, but I just will not have a slugish OS/interface and I likewise will not have a machine with yesterday's OS. It must be OSX, fast. This mandates waiting. Yesterday I used an eMac for the first time (underOSX). Stupid window resizing was choppy. Probably RAM plus 10.2 will fix this, but I'm not buying a machine so that I can 'fix' anything afterwards.
I'm buying the first reasonably priced laptop that runs OSX without any hiccups straight out of the box. If the eMac's G4+GF2mx stalled (just a bit) I can't see the iBook's G3+16MB Radeon doing better, at least not untill 10.2.
Well a Titanium is plenty fast, but I guess it's a stretch to call it "reasonably priced".
But the iBook....I'd be hesitant to buy one at this point. OS X is so heavily optimized for Altivec, and the future of the Mac is Altivec...and then there's the iBook, with it's lame G3 CPU. Ughh.
You probably know this already, but some places like smalldog.com carry discontinued models for awesome prices, and you could probably find a Titanium for under $2000. But the problem would be that it may not be Quartz Extreme compatible, because Apple used Mickey Mouse video chipsets in their high-end, $3500 laptops for so long. Pathetic.
First and foremost, the new iMac is pretty young. Bolting on a heavier bigger screen isn't a drop-in thing, it would need a full redesign.
Secondly, the price would go up. Nuff said.
Thirdly, 17" CRTs are roughly equal to 15" LCDs, so the eMac vs iMac dilemma doesn't really quite do it.
These rumours are usually based on trade reports from LCD plants. Nobody seems to have noticed the very high chance of new 17" Apple displays that match the 23" styling.
I think we might see higher resolution iMacs, but still 15", leaving PowerMacs with a minimum of 17" and eMac no longer better res than iMac.
It's all about clear distinction:
eMac - cheap but powerful
iMac - reasonable but high spec
PowerMac - expensive but very high spec/expandable
Currently the lines are too blurry, you might as well buy a cheap eMac and put a DVD-R in it.
It just needs a few more options. A little more flexibility.
Especially when you pay the price for the top end model!
The specs are ancient.
But the LCD iMac is a stunningly sexy beast.
What would you call a lab of LCD iMacs?
<hr></blockquote>
These are hardcore specs, it is a consumer machine!! No offense Lemon, but if anything the price needs to be re-assesed.
I agree that there needs to be clear distinction between the "consumer" and the "Pro" lines. I suspect that an update to 800mhz low end to 1 ghz high end, GeForce 4mx would do just fine. The iMac was never about configurational flexability.
IMHO they already offer too much. The whole beauty of the iMac concept was that it offered complete simplicity, all in one, both literally and figuratively. This got slightly lost with the hellish intro of the iMac DV line.
Oddly enough, around the same time that sales began to slump, and have never really recovered. The imac was not revolutionary because it was blue, it was revolutionary because it turned the personal computer into the toaster. Simple, elegant, functional, and not requiring a degree in Computer Science to make a purchasing decision.
Yep, and FULL QE compliance is yet another bugaboo. Some say 16MB 'supported' others say 32MB 'optimal' but we just won't know untill we have a factory configured machine running the final release OSX 10.2. Once again, the waiting game. A current PB would probably do the trick, but it won't meet the price requirement untill some newer models replace it.
I tend to get a lot of life out of my computers. My AMD 300 is now enetring it's sixth year of service. With 8MB of VRAM, win98SE, a SoundBlaster16MPC and AT tower and (both recycled from the smouldering carcass of a Pentium75 purchased 3 years earlier). The only things I've added are RAM (to 128), HDD (a 10GB master and reused the original 2GB as a slave), and an early 4x CDrw. And a nice MultisyncFE750 after my original 17 crapped out. When I think of the price of that original 17 versus this one I want to pull my hair out, but I've always tried to get the best display I can justify.
Office, internet, Mp3, video (albeit trailers don't happily run in the background anymore), e-mail, IM... all run fine. And, untill last year, I was happily playing RTS games on my PC. It could probably keep putzing along for Office and e-communication, but gaming is about to leave my boxy beige jalopy behind.
It's amazing to me that for 500 bucks, Canadian, I could go out and buy a box with 4 times the storage, twice the RAM, a 32MB video card, good enough sound for gaming/Mp3, and a decent 12-16X burner. (I already have the Monitor). When I think about how much that P75 cost over 8 years ago (mind you the monitor was major bucks back then) I can hardly believe it.
But, the kicker is that the modest demands of my system are all performed without delay, not pretty, but no lag. Anything that does lag, I don't do at home, but I would like to.
I almost have more experience with modern macs (9.1) than with modern PC's (winXP, p4, etc).
While newer software might drag a system down, there is no excuse for current software to do so. Untill all macs provide instantaneous interface response, they are not fast enough for consumer use. I don't really care HOW Apple goes about making the OSX experience what it should be (and it's almost there) so long as the do it -- 10.2, QE, Altivec, faster PPC -- I don't care. Get me instant snappy response and a good price and I'm there.
Why do you have to be an ass all the time?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm only an ass to you, sweetie.
So this is a denial that you'll actually buy an Apple product, and continue your reign of sadness, disinformation, splenetic fits of verbosity, and general all-around bitchery?
I merely request information.
ting5
[ 07-13-2002: Message edited by: Yet Another Registration ]</p>
Has anyone else noticed the new $100 iMac+Epson Printer promo. Just saw it in Kibbles&Bytes:
[quote]
I just got notice of another Apple promotion starting today. From July 12
through September 30, 2002, purchase a new Apple iMac, eMac, or iBook and
receive up to $100 off an Epson 820 6-in Photo printer, or receive $100
off any Epson photo printer with an MSRP of $100 or more.<hr></blockquote>
So, is the iMac destined to soldier on for a while? I mean after all, there's lots of channel in the inventory and the promo lasts till September 30th. I say Stone Cold Lock!
The low end model stays at 1GHz to keep the price down like the iBook range.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
19" 1920x1200 by Nov. of this year?!? :eek: Sounds more like Nov of 2005...
I'm sure steve would love to be the first to bring HD editing to the masses, but this is just WAY to early.
And it won't have a SuperDrive it will have an 'UltaDrive' (can burn CDs, DVDs, and (Bluelight) HD-DVDs).
Since HD-DVD players will start hitting the market in 2003 and HD-Cams will start trickling down into consumer equipment in '04.... this will be the next big thing.
Why do you think Apple has been buying every high end Compositing/Editing/3D App developer they can get their hands on...
<strong>Has anyone else noticed the new $100 iMac+Epson Printer promo. Just saw it in Kibbles&Bytes:
So, is the iMac destined to soldier on for a while? I mean after all, there's lots of channel in the inventory and the promo lasts till September 30th. I say Stone Cold Lock! </strong><hr></blockquote>
It's a promotion, no doubt set up in cooperation with Epson, to move printers. The printer manufacturers are in a major price war to get their printers out to the public so they can sell ink cartridges; a cash cow!
I doubt it means anything in relation to whether Apple hardware will or won't be updated at any particular time. Probably more likely that Epson plans to upgrade their printers some time soon.
[quote]Originally posted by Yet Another Registration:
<strong>
I'm only an ass to you, sweetie.
So this is a denial that you'll actually buy an Apple product, and continue your reign of sadness, disinformation, splenetic fits of verbosity, and general all-around bitchery?
I merely request information.
ting5
[ 07-13-2002: Message edited by: Yet Another Registration ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> Whooo....that was a nice laugh.
Anyways....17 inch iMac....yeah I'll jump on the bandwagon...there's too much legit press on board (CNET, MSNBC) to get around it.
19 inch LCD on an iMac? WHOOO another nice laugh. Dream on Kiddo.
<strong>I doubt it means anything in relation to whether Apple hardware will or won't be updated at any particular time. Probably more likely that Epson plans to upgrade their printers some time soon.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I swear, sometimes using Sarcasm in here is like trying to use a thimble to fill a sieve.
Comments
19 inch LCD with iMac upgrades for 1999?!
give me a break. I doubt the 17 inch model would cost that.
I hope Apple will see fit to increase display size across the line, not just in the high end. 17" with CDRW and 133MHz bus for $1699! That's my wish.
Keep one 15" around for the low end.
<strong>Comparing the prices of the two studio displays, $599 vs. $999 and hoping that the production cost of 17" LCDs has come down over the past year, I would expect to see a 17" iMac for about $300 more than the current 15's.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think you can do the 17" screens for about what the 15" goes for now. Consider that the iMac is $100 more than Apple expected they could do at intro, yet all component prices have dropped and no price decline. Components like the Superdrive have dropped considerably in price as has the G4 price.
Retail 17" screens can go as low as $600. That's $450-$500 cost. Toss in Apple's Samsung discount, and I think they can hit the current price points.
And yes, I think that the eMac was introduced to address the iMac screen shortcoming. CRT or LCD, people wanted a 17". My understanding is that it is selling well.
a 17" 16:10 widescreen seems like the most likely choice because it's going to be cheaper than a 17" 5:4 display or 4:3 display. It's also going to be the same height. It's also already available from LG.
If apple made such an iMac, I can see them dropping the 15" model entirely. But it would also make sense to keep both models, and use the 15" model as the budget version, and the 17" model as the SE version that gives phat margins.
That is the one thing holding me and a few other people I know back from the iMac: it's dinky little 15" LCD. Once you're used to a 19" CRT, a 15" LCD is a BIG step DOWN, and one most people are not willing to make. But a 17" LCD, even a widescreen version, would be doable. Plus I'd be able to work on two word documents side by side, probably the key feature of my 19" CRT.
Price? For a widescreen 17" LCD, I'd say the same as current iMacs, and drop the 15" model's price down about $150. For a standard 17" LCD, 1280x960, no more than $1999, and that is pushing it. $1899 would be better because it would keep the final price after tax, shipping, and a bit of RAM under $2000.
Probability? For some sort of imac with an LCD >15" (16" or 17", standard or widescreen profile), I'd say maybe 40%. I'd be more positive, but remember how long Apple dragged their asses on offering a 17" CRT iMac....it wasn't until the original iMac was replaced! If the eMac had been out two years earlier it would have sold like a muthafu[ker!
<strong>
That is the one thing holding me and a few other people I know back from the iMac: it's dinky little 15" LCD. Once you're used to a 19" CRT, a 15" LCD is a BIG step DOWN, and one most people are not willing to make. But a 17" LCD, even a widescreen version, would be doable. Plus I'd be able to work on two word documents side by side, probably the key feature of my 19" CRT.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So, if there is a new iMac 17", you'll put some money where your mouth is? Or you will keep caterwauling from the sidelines? I look forward to the new, positive, productive JYD.
ting5
<strong>A widescreen 17" LCD would be nice for Apple's margins, AND for pricing. Great idea! It's an improvement over the current 15" LCD display area, but not as much as Apple's other 17" LCD, so it would probably cost less. To the consumer, it's a 17" LCD, and the widescreen profile has an extra "cool" factor.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So, basically you're just nodding sagely at what I've been saying.
[quote]If apple made such an iMac, I can see them dropping the 15" model entirely. But it would also make sense to keep both models, and use the 15" model as the budget version, and the 17" model as the SE version that gives phat margins.<hr></blockquote>
I don't see this feature overlap, price overlap happening. It gets complicated. Keep it simple. The widescreen doesn't really offer enough of a difference to justify having both. It's one or the other. See, with the widescreen you're just adding 2.4 inches in width... ~22 square inches.
[quote]Price? For a widescreen 17" LCD, I'd say the same as current iMacs, and drop the 15" model's price down about $150. For a standard 17" LCD, 1280x960, no more than $1999, and that is pushing it. $1899 would be better because it would keep the final price after tax, shipping, and a bit of RAM under $2000.<hr></blockquote>
A 17" 4:3 LCD in an iMac and a grand total price of $2000 is only possible if you don't update anything else...
[quote]Probability?<hr></blockquote>
Margins will be lower than ever. Go look at the stock market. The market demands it.
<strong>
So, if there is a new iMac 17", you'll put some money where your mouth is? Or you will keep caterwauling from the sidelines? I look forward to the new, positive, productive JYD.
ting5</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why do you have to be an ass all the time?
I'm buying the first reasonably priced laptop that runs OSX without any hiccups straight out of the box. If the eMac's G4+GF2mx stalled (just a bit) I can't see the iBook's G3+16MB Radeon doing better, at least not untill 10.2.
But the iBook....I'd be hesitant to buy one at this point. OS X is so heavily optimized for Altivec, and the future of the Mac is Altivec...and then there's the iBook, with it's lame G3 CPU. Ughh.
You probably know this already, but some places like smalldog.com carry discontinued models for awesome prices, and you could probably find a Titanium for under $2000. But the problem would be that it may not be Quartz Extreme compatible, because Apple used Mickey Mouse video chipsets in their high-end, $3500 laptops for so long. Pathetic.
The machine is almost 7 months out of date.
17 inch screen. Yes please.
1 gig - 1.2 gig.
DDR. Bus. Better.
Graphics card options: Geforce 4mx to Titanium.
It just needs a few more options. A little more flexibility.
Especially when you pay the price for the top end model!
The specs are ancient.
But the LCD iMac is a stunningly sexy beast.
What would you call a lab of LCD iMacs?
'The Spielberg Suite' of course...
Lemon Bon Bon
First and foremost, the new iMac is pretty young. Bolting on a heavier bigger screen isn't a drop-in thing, it would need a full redesign.
Secondly, the price would go up. Nuff said.
Thirdly, 17" CRTs are roughly equal to 15" LCDs, so the eMac vs iMac dilemma doesn't really quite do it.
These rumours are usually based on trade reports from LCD plants. Nobody seems to have noticed the very high chance of new 17" Apple displays that match the 23" styling.
I think we might see higher resolution iMacs, but still 15", leaving PowerMacs with a minimum of 17" and eMac no longer better res than iMac.
It's all about clear distinction:
eMac - cheap but powerful
iMac - reasonable but high spec
PowerMac - expensive but very high spec/expandable
Currently the lines are too blurry, you might as well buy a cheap eMac and put a DVD-R in it.
Apple can do more with the LCD iMac.
The machine is almost 7 months out of date.
17 inch screen. Yes please.
1 gig - 1.2 gig.
DDR. Bus. Better.
Graphics card options: Geforce 4mx to Titanium.
It just needs a few more options. A little more flexibility.
Especially when you pay the price for the top end model!
The specs are ancient.
But the LCD iMac is a stunningly sexy beast.
What would you call a lab of LCD iMacs?
<hr></blockquote>
These are hardcore specs, it is a consumer machine!! No offense Lemon, but if anything the price needs to be re-assesed.
I agree that there needs to be clear distinction between the "consumer" and the "Pro" lines. I suspect that an update to 800mhz low end to 1 ghz high end, GeForce 4mx would do just fine. The iMac was never about configurational flexability.
IMHO they already offer too much. The whole beauty of the iMac concept was that it offered complete simplicity, all in one, both literally and figuratively. This got slightly lost with the hellish intro of the iMac DV line.
Oddly enough, around the same time that sales began to slump, and have never really recovered. The imac was not revolutionary because it was blue, it was revolutionary because it turned the personal computer into the toaster. Simple, elegant, functional, and not requiring a degree in Computer Science to make a purchasing decision.
I tend to get a lot of life out of my computers. My AMD 300 is now enetring it's sixth year of service. With 8MB of VRAM, win98SE, a SoundBlaster16MPC and AT tower and (both recycled from the smouldering carcass of a Pentium75 purchased 3 years earlier). The only things I've added are RAM (to 128), HDD (a 10GB master and reused the original 2GB as a slave), and an early 4x CDrw. And a nice MultisyncFE750 after my original 17 crapped out. When I think of the price of that original 17 versus this one I want to pull my hair out, but I've always tried to get the best display I can justify.
Office, internet, Mp3, video (albeit trailers don't happily run in the background anymore), e-mail, IM... all run fine. And, untill last year, I was happily playing RTS games on my PC. It could probably keep putzing along for Office and e-communication, but gaming is about to leave my boxy beige jalopy behind.
It's amazing to me that for 500 bucks, Canadian, I could go out and buy a box with 4 times the storage, twice the RAM, a 32MB video card, good enough sound for gaming/Mp3, and a decent 12-16X burner. (I already have the Monitor). When I think about how much that P75 cost over 8 years ago (mind you the monitor was major bucks back then) I can hardly believe it.
But, the kicker is that the modest demands of my system are all performed without delay, not pretty, but no lag. Anything that does lag, I don't do at home, but I would like to.
I almost have more experience with modern macs (9.1) than with modern PC's (winXP, p4, etc).
While newer software might drag a system down, there is no excuse for current software to do so. Untill all macs provide instantaneous interface response, they are not fast enough for consumer use. I don't really care HOW Apple goes about making the OSX experience what it should be (and it's almost there) so long as the do it -- 10.2, QE, Altivec, faster PPC -- I don't care. Get me instant snappy response and a good price and I'm there.
<strong>
Why do you have to be an ass all the time?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm only an ass to you, sweetie.
So this is a denial that you'll actually buy an Apple product, and continue your reign of sadness, disinformation, splenetic fits of verbosity, and general all-around bitchery?
I merely request information.
ting5
[ 07-13-2002: Message edited by: Yet Another Registration ]</p>
[quote]
I just got notice of another Apple promotion starting today. From July 12
through September 30, 2002, purchase a new Apple iMac, eMac, or iBook and
receive up to $100 off an Epson 820 6-in Photo printer, or receive $100
off any Epson photo printer with an MSRP of $100 or more.<hr></blockquote>
So, is the iMac destined to soldier on for a while? I mean after all, there's lots of channel in the inventory and the promo lasts till September 30th. I say Stone Cold Lock!
<strong>
Novemberish will see (if I had to guess):
17" Combo (1536x1024) 1GHz
17" Superdrive (1536x1024) 1.2GHz
19" Combo (1920x1200) 1.2GHz
19" Superdrive (1920x1200) 1.2GHz
The low end model stays at 1GHz to keep the price down like the iBook range.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
19" 1920x1200 by Nov. of this year?!? :eek: Sounds more like Nov of 2005...
I'm sure steve would love to be the first to bring HD editing to the masses, but this is just WAY to early.
And it won't have a SuperDrive it will have an 'UltaDrive' (can burn CDs, DVDs, and (Bluelight) HD-DVDs).
Since HD-DVD players will start hitting the market in 2003 and HD-Cams will start trickling down into consumer equipment in '04.... this will be the next big thing.
Why do you think Apple has been buying every high end Compositing/Editing/3D App developer they can get their hands on...
iMovieHD has a nice ring to it.
<strong>Has anyone else noticed the new $100 iMac+Epson Printer promo. Just saw it in Kibbles&Bytes:
So, is the iMac destined to soldier on for a while? I mean after all, there's lots of channel in the inventory and the promo lasts till September 30th. I say Stone Cold Lock!
It's a promotion, no doubt set up in cooperation with Epson, to move printers. The printer manufacturers are in a major price war to get their printers out to the public so they can sell ink cartridges; a cash cow!
I doubt it means anything in relation to whether Apple hardware will or won't be updated at any particular time. Probably more likely that Epson plans to upgrade their printers some time soon.
<strong>
I'm only an ass to you, sweetie.
So this is a denial that you'll actually buy an Apple product, and continue your reign of sadness, disinformation, splenetic fits of verbosity, and general all-around bitchery?
I merely request information.
ting5
[ 07-13-2002: Message edited by: Yet Another Registration ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> Whooo....that was a nice laugh.
Anyways....17 inch iMac....yeah I'll jump on the bandwagon...there's too much legit press on board (CNET, MSNBC) to get around it.
19 inch LCD on an iMac? WHOOO another nice laugh. Dream on Kiddo.
<strong>I doubt it means anything in relation to whether Apple hardware will or won't be updated at any particular time. Probably more likely that Epson plans to upgrade their printers some time soon.</strong><hr></blockquote>