I have two co-workers who switched from their iPhones to the Pixel, and they like it.
One of them misses the cohesiveness of iOS but still likes his Pixel. Google seems to be bending backwards to give their customers a good support.
Fyi, the Pixel is manufactured by LG.
Fake news? If true, Google has been lying since the beginning. The Pixel is actually specified by Google, designed by HTC, manufactured by LG.
Specified by Google, manufactured by HTC. LG has nothing to do with this version. The Nexus 5X was LG's.
Who supplied the Pixel screen. Probably not Samsung because it's not OLED. And it's not as good as Apple7.
AFAIK it is OLED. What made you believe it isn't?
Thanks for pointing that out. I thought I had read somewhere that it was LCD . I just checked Google Play and they say AMOLED. I wonder who supplied the screen. I would be a little surprised if it was Samsung... but then again Samsung supplies components to Apple.
I would imagine that Samsung's difficulties would benefit Pixel sales amongst Android loyalists.
The Pixel is just another in a long line of iPhone “killers” to come along. So-called Android loyalists are looking for the next White Knight in Shining Armor to slay the Apple dragon now that Samsung’s brand is tarnished. A lot of Fandroids have been unhappy with Samsung’s relentless chase to be more like Apple, that is, in terms of sealed batteries, ports, SD slots, etc. There is no reason to believe that the Pixel will fare any better than the Nexus did in terms of market share but the hype is there nonetheless.
Most people aren't hard fans of any particular platform. They simply want a smartphone in a size they like. with a display that looks the way they think it should, with features they think they'll use and a a price that meets their budget.. Most are not worthy of being tagged with an insulting name simply because they didn't make the same choice you or someone else made.
You're missing the only part that matters and makes them "fans". It's all about the OS. All of those features are part of the OS which locks customers into it. So you can call me a fan or don't but if Apple's iPhone 8 was a dud, I would still buy it - not because I blindly support Apple but because the idea of changing to any other OS from my current one is much worse the the worst phone.
Yep iOS is the crown jewel of the iPhone. That's why Apple doesn't need to try to chase Android manufacturers on this spec or that spec.
I watch a lot of phone reviews and ever once and a while you will hear the android fan boys talk about UI lag and how the phones get slower as they age.
I ask Siri how heavy iPhone 7 Plus is. It refers me to Apple.com. I asked again what is the weight of iPhone 7 Plus. It refers me to Apple.com again. Apparently Siri can only do keyword search but it can not understand a sentence. This is really primitive R&D engineering using grep. No artificial intelligence.
Mmmm. Not so sure.
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I think Siri understands the question just fine, but rather than parse and give you a single answer, Apple would much rather you go to the website and get the whole story.
I don't share your optimistic view. Yesterday I tried Siri on my new MacBook Pro, asking it to play songs that I could see on the screen in front of me (iTunes was open). Every request resulted in "Sorry, I can't find that." The transcriptions of my requests were correct, so it wasn't a speech recognition issue.
I finally just asked it play something by the Rolling Stones. That time it actually played something! Unfortunately the "something" was the theme song from "The Brady Bunch." I couldn't even make up stories about Siri that are as weird as it is in real life.
I gave up on SIRI 2 years ago when I asked for "American Airlines Reservations" and got a list of hotels.
I'm quite surprised that it's selling somewhat well for a first release, particularly one that wasn't what Google had actually planned to do and at a relatively high iPhone-like price for all versions. A similar story at another site showed the Pixel making up 8% of Verizon's new smartphone activations.
A first release? Are we really going to ignore each and every Nexus phone iteration?
I gave up on SIRI 2 years ago when I asked for "American Airlines Reservations" and got a list of hotels.
Using (or not using) Siri might be important for a few users. None of my iPhone using friends have ever considered using Siri. They just don't think it has benefit for them. I am the same. We just don't want to appear to be plonkers by talking to our devices. Besides, I really don't want to broadcast to the world around me my business. Perhaps one day, people will realise that keeping quiet is the best option. 75 years ago, there were plenty of reasons to keep quiet. There were posters with these slogans on them all over the place.
Walls have ears Loose talk costs lives
I'd add to them, "Is your conversation with your device essential?"
Just my POV you understand but the day that I start talking to something like Siri then you it is time for me to meet my maker.
It's nice that Android users have a lot of choices as most of the time they won't buy a phone from the same maker twice - in hopes that the next one won't suck.
I've seen this many times over the past few years. someone will slag Sony to high heaven for being sh*t and a piece of cr*p phone, then go switch to a samsung, praising it initially as the best thing since sliced bread. a year down the line and samsung is the devil, the phone crashes, lags, battery doesn't last half as long now, they switch to LG. LG is now the best phones... and it continues, sometimes repeating the cycle. Never once do they consider, maybe just maybe the Android OS is the common fault in each phone.
I gave up on SIRI 2 years ago when I asked for "American Airlines Reservations" and got a list of hotels.
Using (or not using) Siri might be important for a few users. None of my iPhone using friends have ever considered using Siri. They just don't think it has benefit for them. I am the same. We just don't want to appear to be plonkers by talking to our devices. Besides, I really don't want to broadcast to the world around me my business. Perhaps one day, people will realise that keeping quiet is the best option. 75 years ago, there were plenty of reasons to keep quiet. There were posters with these slogans on them all over the place.
Walls have ears Loose talk costs lives
I'd add to them, "Is your conversation with your device essential?"
Just my POV you understand but the day that I start talking to something like Siri then you it is time for me to meet my maker.
I also don't talk to my phone in public, perhaps that's just a cultural/personal thing because I also don't much like speaking on the phone in public transport either. But when I'm in the car or at home, it's much easier to say "Navigate to home", "SMS my wife XYZ", "add xyz to my shopping list" "do I need an umbrella?" than to enter it manually. Voice isn't meant to replace text but to supplement it.
"Google is having a hard time matching production to demand for the Pixel' = Google has done really well because they have sold so many. More than they expected. "Apple is having a hard time matching production to demand for its iPhone" = Apple have messed up, Apple is doomed.
I'm quite surprised that it's selling somewhat well for a first release, particularly one that wasn't what Google had actually planned to do and at a relatively high iPhone-like price for all versions. A similar story at another site showed the Pixel making up 8% of Verizon's new smartphone activations.
A first release? Are we really going to ignore each and every Nexus phone iteration?
None of the Nexus models were as Google-designed as the Pixels. They were all OEM engineered creations to a general Google specification, and even then sometimes re-released under that OEM's own badging with slight changes. Whether you wish to believe it Google claims to have done their own engineering on the new Pixels which would be a first for them.
I gave up on SIRI 2 years ago when I asked for "American Airlines Reservations" and got a list of hotels.
Using (or not using) Siri might be important for a few users. None of my iPhone using friends have ever considered using Siri. They just don't think it has benefit for them. I am the same. We just don't want to appear to be plonkers by talking to our devices. Besides, I really don't want to broadcast to the world around me my business. Perhaps one day, people will realise that keeping quiet is the best option.
So you don't ever use your smartphone as a phone? You don't make or accept phone calls?
I gave up on SIRI 2 years ago when I asked for "American Airlines Reservations" and got a list of hotels.
Using (or not using) Siri might be important for a few users. None of my iPhone using friends have ever considered using Siri. They just don't think it has benefit for them. I am the same. We just don't want to appear to be plonkers by talking to our devices. Besides, I really don't want to broadcast to the world around me my business. Perhaps one day, people will realise that keeping quiet is the best option. 75 years ago, there were plenty of reasons to keep quiet. There were posters with these slogans on them all over the place.
Walls have ears Loose talk costs lives
I'd add to them, "Is your conversation with your device essential?"
Just my POV you understand but the day that I start talking to something like Siri then you it is time for me to meet my maker.
I have an Echo and have been thrilled with the convenience of the a few things it does for me. The microphones do a good job in picking up my voice. Even at night and when I mumble a little bit. I would have preferred if Apple had come out with a HomeHub product if it was a great high end product (and yes I would expect a high price), but it needs a revamped greatly enhanced Siri. Unfortunately I don't believe that Apple has really committed the resources to it and would be years away to produce such a product (one apple insider article said 3 years). Apple is really behind the times.
So Google makes what is basically a iPhone CLONE. Prices it like a iPhone. They want to actually make a profit, something they couldn't do with their so called NEXUS phones, which this is still really a NEXUS phone, but slap on a Pixel Name and charge more money.
I had though Google didn't want to get involved in hardware. They could have kept Motorola Mobility for that, yet they sold it off. These Pixel (Really NEXUS Phones made by LG, so same old, same old) give Google a unfair advantage over everyone else. They're trying to be Microsoft now. MS making Surface Computers, so here's Google with the Pixel. All the while Android has been basically marketed as the CHEAP phones!!! It's been a race to the bottom and Android for the most part has become a Commodity. Most Android phones sold are low end to mid range. With very slim profit margins. Keep in mind Apple is making around 95% of the Smartphone profits with Samesung making most of the rest, which leaves slim pickings for everyone else, which is better then those that are losing money.
I really don't see how Google could be selling all that many. They can't keep supplies in stock and it's only in the Verizon Stores? I don't see how they could really be selling all that many just because of the price of these so called first generation Google Phones as Google is trying to make them out to be, even though it's just a new Nexus Phone made by LG. Call it whatever you want Google, doesn't change anything. The flat out copying of the iPhone. Move the touch sensor from the dumb back to the bottom front and it couldn't be any more of a clone. No button there but still large bezel like the iPhone. DUMB!!!
If Android is your thing and you want to see updates in a reasonable amount of time, what choice do you have?
Three things: - It is not an LG phone. - Second it is not the phone Google had planned to build. When Huawei backed out they had to scramble to a second source which was HTC - Third if you try a phone with a rear fingerprint sensor for a couple of days it will clearer to you why that's the preferred placement for some folks. It's a natural landing spot for a finger when you pick up your phone, and allows for easy one-handed unlock too. A sensor on the front is also perfectly acceptable of course and is convenient if your phone is laying face-up on a table/desk. So neither location is "dumb".
Touch ID can use your thumb or any other finger, and can be trained to several fingers. Seems like using your thumb, your largest fingerprint and therefore likely to yield the most accurate results, wouldn't be doable with the sensor on the rear, except in the infrequent case when you want to wake your phone while it's laying screen side down (why would you wake your phone at all in this context?). Seems to me a compromise was made to put it on the rear, since HTC (as indicated by another poster here) had already engineered that solution.
HTC also engineered a front sensor, with the newer HTC10 being the most immediate example. Google using the rear sensor is by choice rather than anything forced since they could have still used HTC and let the home button double as the fingerprint sensor as HTC does. Allowing for sensor unlock by several different fingers is pretty universal for smartphones anymore. My current daily driver offers 5, and one of those is my trusted wife's in case of emergency.
Anyway flipping your phone face-down serves to "sleep" your phone with some apps. But even assuming you wouldn't I've not ever left my phone laying on the table if I want to look at it. I pick it up. The instances where a rear sensor is easier and quicker to use may well outweigh the same for a front sensor depending on the user. On Android phones OEM's differ on their preferred placement. Some like Moto and Samsung put them on the front. Others such as Huawei, ZTE and LG generally put them on the back. (Sony has even used the side) When users were recently polled on a well-known tech blog as to their preference 47% said the rear was better and 40% voted for the front. YMMV of course.
But as phones don't offer the option to use both a front and rear one whatever you have is what you have.
Part of Google's Pixel production problems is that they're a victim of their own success. They completely underestimated how the new Nougat 7.0 OS would be in the marketplace. Having unlimited lifetime photo storage was a big plus for me; I selected the 32gb version (plus it was about $100.00 less expensive); I ordered it mainly for that reason. Ordered it on Oct. 4th, 2016 and still had to wait 3 weeks for delivery.
After 3 months of use, I can say that my Pixel XL is the best smartphone I've ever used. I've even tried a Windows phone (which is pretty good but have no apps). Even my wife, who is an iPhone 6s Plus user, likes the Pixel and admits it is, at least, as good or better than the iPhone.
I must admit, I'm prejudiced AGAINST any Apple product; been that way ever since that ***hole Jobs denied being the father of his 1st daughter. But that's my problem. Still, I wouldn't use an Apple product if you paid me to take it.
The headline should read - Google sells fewer phones in US than Apple iPhone SE.
If you look at Kantarworld data ending in November - they state Pixel has 1.5% of the US market, Apple has 43.5% market share.
If you look at Consumer Intelligence Research Partner data - the iPhone SE has about 7% of the Apple iPhone US sales which is about 3% of the overall market share.
Your are spot on that the Pixels are no iPhone challengers. Still selling perhaps as many as a million of 'em over the holidays should be viewed as a success by Google. I'm sure that WAS more than they had anticipated.
So Google makes what is basically a iPhone CLONE. Prices it like a iPhone. They want to actually make a profit, something they couldn't do with their so called NEXUS phones, which this is still really a NEXUS phone, but slap on a Pixel Name and charge more money.
I had though Google didn't want to get involved in hardware. They could have kept Motorola Mobility for that, yet they sold it off. These Pixel (Really NEXUS Phones made by LG, so same old, same old) give Google a unfair advantage over everyone else. They're trying to be Microsoft now. MS making Surface Computers, so here's Google with the Pixel. All the while Android has been basically marketed as the CHEAP phones!!! It's been a race to the bottom and Android for the most part has become a Commodity. Most Android phones sold are low end to mid range. With very slim profit margins. Keep in mind Apple is making around 95% of the Smartphone profits with Samesung making most of the rest, which leaves slim pickings for everyone else, which is better then those that are losing money.
I really don't see how Google could be selling all that many. They can't keep supplies in stock and it's only in the Verizon Stores? I don't see how they could really be selling all that many just because of the price of these so called first generation Google Phones as Google is trying to make them out to be, even though it's just a new Nexus Phone made by LG. Call it whatever you want Google, doesn't change anything. The flat out copying of the iPhone. Move the touch sensor from the dumb back to the bottom front and it couldn't be any more of a clone. No button there but still large bezel like the iPhone. DUMB!!!
If Android is your thing and you want to see updates in a reasonable amount of time, what choice do you have?
Three things: - It is not an LG phone. - Second it is not the phone Google had planned to build. When Huawei backed out they had to scramble to a second source which was HTC - Third if you try a phone with a rear fingerprint sensor for a couple of days it will clearer to you why that's the preferred placement for some folks. It's a natural landing spot for a finger when you pick up your phone, and allows for easy one-handed unlock too. A sensor on the front is also perfectly acceptable of course and is convenient if your phone is laying face-up on a table/desk. So neither location is "dumb".
Given that Huawei told them to pound sand early on why would they be scrambling? HTC is perfectly capable of building to Google's design. Granted it does somewhat look like an A9 with a fingerprint sensor and a glass back...
So Google makes what is basically a iPhone CLONE. Prices it like a iPhone. They want to actually make a profit, something they couldn't do with their so called NEXUS phones, which this is still really a NEXUS phone, but slap on a Pixel Name and charge more money.
I had though Google didn't want to get involved in hardware. They could have kept Motorola Mobility for that, yet they sold it off. These Pixel (Really NEXUS Phones made by LG, so same old, same old) give Google a unfair advantage over everyone else. They're trying to be Microsoft now. MS making Surface Computers, so here's Google with the Pixel. All the while Android has been basically marketed as the CHEAP phones!!! It's been a race to the bottom and Android for the most part has become a Commodity. Most Android phones sold are low end to mid range. With very slim profit margins. Keep in mind Apple is making around 95% of the Smartphone profits with Samesung making most of the rest, which leaves slim pickings for everyone else, which is better then those that are losing money.
I really don't see how Google could be selling all that many. They can't keep supplies in stock and it's only in the Verizon Stores? I don't see how they could really be selling all that many just because of the price of these so called first generation Google Phones as Google is trying to make them out to be, even though it's just a new Nexus Phone made by LG. Call it whatever you want Google, doesn't change anything. The flat out copying of the iPhone. Move the touch sensor from the dumb back to the bottom front and it couldn't be any more of a clone. No button there but still large bezel like the iPhone. DUMB!!!
If Android is your thing and you want to see updates in a reasonable amount of time, what choice do you have?
Three things: - It is not an LG phone. - Second it is not the phone Google had planned to build. When Huawei backed out they had to scramble to a second source which was HTC - Third if you try a phone with a rear fingerprint sensor for a couple of days it will clearer to you why that's the preferred placement for some folks. It's a natural landing spot for a finger when you pick up your phone, and allows for easy one-handed unlock too. A sensor on the front is also perfectly acceptable of course and is convenient if your phone is laying face-up on a table/desk. So neither location is "dumb".
Given that Huawei told them to pound sand early on why would they be scrambling? HTC is perfectly capable of building to Google's design. Granted it does somewhat look like an A9 with a fingerprint sensor and a glass back...
How "early" was early on? Apple plans the next iPhone over a year in advance of its release according to various articles. I doubt anyone else could engineer faster than Apple.
How "early" was early on? Apple plans the next iPhone over a year in advance of its release according to various articles. I doubt anyone else could engineer faster than Apple.
Part of engineering is testing. Samsung has no problem cutting six months from extensive testing to rush their stuff to market. They are faster than Apple.
Three things: - It is not an LG phone. - Second it is not the phone Google had planned to build. When Huawei backed out they had to scramble to a second source which was HTC - Third if you try a phone with a rear fingerprint sensor for a couple of days it will clearer to you why that's the preferred placement for some folks. It's a natural landing spot for a finger when you pick up your phone, and allows for easy one-handed unlock too. A sensor on the front is also perfectly acceptable of course and is convenient if your phone is laying face-up on a table/desk. So neither location is "dumb".
Given that Huawei told them to pound sand early on why would they be scrambling? HTC is perfectly capable of building to Google's design. Granted it does somewhat look like an A9 with a fingerprint sensor and a glass back...
How "early" was early on? Apple plans the next iPhone over a year in advance of its release according to various articles. I doubt anyone else could engineer faster than Apple.
From what Huawei has said publicly it was early on. Google asked if they were interested and they said no. Huawei is interested in building up their own brand. Given the amount of mistaken information in this thread (it's an LG phone, etc) they made the right call in terms of it not helping their brand. With the Nexus their name was still on the phone somewhere.
Three things: - It is not an LG phone. - Second it is not the phone Google had planned to build. When Huawei backed out they had to scramble to a second source which was HTC - Third if you try a phone with a rear fingerprint sensor for a couple of days it will clearer to you why that's the preferred placement for some folks. It's a natural landing spot for a finger when you pick up your phone, and allows for easy one-handed unlock too. A sensor on the front is also perfectly acceptable of course and is convenient if your phone is laying face-up on a table/desk. So neither location is "dumb".
Given that Huawei told them to pound sand early on why would they be scrambling? HTC is perfectly capable of building to Google's design. Granted it does somewhat look like an A9 with a fingerprint sensor and a glass back...
How "early" was early on? Apple plans the next iPhone over a year in advance of its release according to various articles. I doubt anyone else could engineer faster than Apple.
From what Huawei has said publicly it was early on. Google asked if they were interested and they said no. Huawei is interested in building up their own brand. Given the amount of mistaken information in this thread (it's an LG phone, etc) they made the right call in terms of it not helping their brand. With the Nexus their name was still on the phone somewhere.
IIRC from reading about it Google had assumed Huawei WAS interested based on the discussions on the Nexus 6P they built. At some point after the release Huawei decided not to opt in for another year. So probably not early enough for Google to continue with the all the engineering they had already done ahead of this years planned Pixels. I fully expect next year's Pixel to be a bit more "unique" than this year's build in a relatively stock HTC body.
Three things: - It is not an LG phone. - Second it is not the phone Google had planned to build. When Huawei backed out they had to scramble to a second source which was HTC - Third if you try a phone with a rear fingerprint sensor for a couple of days it will clearer to you why that's the preferred placement for some folks. It's a natural landing spot for a finger when you pick up your phone, and allows for easy one-handed unlock too. A sensor on the front is also perfectly acceptable of course and is convenient if your phone is laying face-up on a table/desk. So neither location is "dumb".
Given that Huawei told them to pound sand early on why would they be scrambling? HTC is perfectly capable of building to Google's design. Granted it does somewhat look like an A9 with a fingerprint sensor and a glass back...
How "early" was early on? Apple plans the next iPhone over a year in advance of its release according to various articles. I doubt anyone else could engineer faster than Apple.
From what Huawei has said publicly it was early on. Google asked if they were interested and they said no. Huawei is interested in building up their own brand. Given the amount of mistaken information in this thread (it's an LG phone, etc) they made the right call in terms of it not helping their brand. With the Nexus their name was still on the phone somewhere.
IIRC from reading about it Google had assumed Huawei WAS interested based on the discussions on the Nexus 6P they built. At some point after the release Huawei decided not to opt in for another year. So probably not early enough for Google to continue with the all the engineering they had already done ahead of this years planned Pixels. I fully expect next year's Pixel to be a bit more "unique" than this year's build in a relatively stock HTC body.
Yah, but honestly I'm kinda over $650 Android flagships. Just bought a Axon Pro for $230 with the Qualcomm 810, 2K screen and dual cameras. The Android flagships don't hold their value very well.
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I wonder who supplied the screen. I would be a little surprised if it was Samsung... but then again Samsung supplies components to Apple.
I watch a lot of phone reviews and ever once and a while you will hear the android fan boys talk about UI lag and how the phones get slower as they age.
A first release? Are we really going to ignore each and every Nexus phone iteration?
We just don't want to appear to be plonkers by talking to our devices. Besides, I really don't want to broadcast to the world around me my business.
Perhaps one day, people will realise that keeping quiet is the best option.
75 years ago, there were plenty of reasons to keep quiet. There were posters with these slogans on them all over the place.
Walls have ears
Loose talk costs lives
I'd add to them,
"Is your conversation with your device essential?"
Just my POV you understand but the day that I start talking to something like Siri then you it is time for me to meet my maker.
"Apple is having a hard time matching production to demand for its iPhone" = Apple have messed up, Apple is doomed.
Even at night and when I mumble a little bit. I would have preferred if Apple had come out with a HomeHub product if it was a great high end product
(and yes I would expect a high price), but it needs a revamped greatly enhanced Siri. Unfortunately I don't believe that Apple has really committed the resources to it
and would be years away to produce such a product (one apple insider article said 3 years). Apple is really behind the times.
Anyway flipping your phone face-down serves to "sleep" your phone with some apps. But even assuming you wouldn't I've not ever left my phone laying on the table if I want to look at it. I pick it up. The instances where a rear sensor is easier and quicker to use may well outweigh the same for a front sensor depending on the user. On Android phones OEM's differ on their preferred placement. Some like Moto and Samsung put them on the front. Others such as Huawei, ZTE and LG generally put them on the back. (Sony has even used the side) When users were recently polled on a well-known tech blog as to their preference 47% said the rear was better and 40% voted for the front. YMMV of course.
But as phones don't offer the option to use both a front and rear one whatever you have is what you have.