Apple launches new series of iPad Pro ads as anticipated hardware refresh looms

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  • Reply 61 of 80
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    danvm said:

    ireland said:
    appex said:
    Apple should release a Mac tablet. iOS is a limited jailed-sandboxed toy without an accesible file system and lacking USB port among other shocking limitations.
    They can add access to a file system without turning it into a Mac; the Mac still exists; what specifically would you like a USB port for? Sounds like you may be looking for a Mac—they are here.
    So, why are you building a wall around the Mac separating it and protecting it from incursions by the tablet world?

    Jobs knew that the key was not in the product but in what the product did for the consumer.  A touchscreen tablet with a file system, available keyboard and mouse and a USB-C port would be invaluable.  It would not be a tablet.  Neither would it be a laptop.   It would be both.  
    Because the leaders of design and software at apple (including Jobs) have told us specifically that they tried touch Macs and they sucked. different use cases. they've thought of anything you've thought of and tried it already. 

    Those leaders you mention, including SJ, explain that the reason was related to ergonomics.  He said that touchscreen notebooks "gives great demo but after a short period of time, you start to fatigue and after an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off. it doesn't work, it's ergonomically terrible."  
    http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-touch-screen-mac-2010-10

    But now looks like Apple change their mind, and you see in the add the iPad + Smart Keyboard being used in vertical position.  IMO, the Surface Pro did the right thing by giving the user the option to use touch or the trackpad, and it's better than using an iPad in vertical position, something Apple already say it's wrong. 
    No, the IPad pro can be used either as a great tablet OR (at this point) a shitty laptop.   Once they add a mouse & cursor (and maybe USB-C and file system) it can be a great laptop as well as a great tablet.  There's no compromise.   There's no loss.
    Keep tell yourself that.
  • Reply 62 of 80
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    danvm said:
    danvm said:

    ireland said:
    appex said:
    Apple should release a Mac tablet. iOS is a limited jailed-sandboxed toy without an accesible file system and lacking USB port among other shocking limitations.
    They can add access to a file system without turning it into a Mac; the Mac still exists; what specifically would you like a USB port for? Sounds like you may be looking for a Mac—they are here.
    So, why are you building a wall around the Mac separating it and protecting it from incursions by the tablet world?

    Jobs knew that the key was not in the product but in what the product did for the consumer.  A touchscreen tablet with a file system, available keyboard and mouse and a USB-C port would be invaluable.  It would not be a tablet.  Neither would it be a laptop.   It would be both.  
    Because the leaders of design and software at apple (including Jobs) have told us specifically that they tried touch Macs and they sucked. different use cases. they've thought of anything you've thought of and tried it already. 

    Those leaders you mention, including SJ, explain that the reason was related to ergonomics.  He said that touchscreen notebooks "gives great demo but after a short period of time, you start to fatigue and after an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off. it doesn't work, it's ergonomically terrible."  
    http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-touch-screen-mac-2010-10

    But now looks like Apple change their mind, and you see in the add the iPad + Smart Keyboard being used in vertical position.  IMO, the Surface Pro did the right thing by giving the user the option to use touch or the trackpad, and it's better than using an iPad in vertical position, something Apple already say it's wrong. 
    No, the IPad pro can be used either as a great tablet OR (at this point) a shitty laptop.   Once they add a mouse & cursor (and maybe USB-C and file system) it can be a great laptop as well as a great tablet.  There's no compromise.   There's no loss.
    We don't know if it will be a great laptop, since as today, Apple has declined to do so.  Until then, the iPad + Smart Keyboard is, as Steve Jobs said, "ergonomically terrible". 
    You're still missing the point:   Jobs was talking about touch screen laptops -- and he was right.  
    This discussion is about producing a tablet that can function equally well as either a tablet or laptop with a keyboard and mouse.

    Why force people to buy two devices when one will do?   If Apple doesn't do it, Samsung will.  It's not a matter of IF, it's WHEN?
  • Reply 63 of 80
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,529member
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
  • Reply 64 of 80
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    ... On the other hand, they do seem to have an aversion to chaining people to yesterday's technology.
  • Reply 65 of 80
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,529member
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    Exactly. 

    You get how Apple works. Now you just need to accept that this is why a hybrid isn't going to happen. 
  • Reply 66 of 80
    macxpress said:
    There's no way you can put Xeon processors in a something small enough to stack.
    How did the Xserve do it, then?
  • Reply 67 of 80
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    spheric said:
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    Exactly. 

    You get how Apple works. Now you just need to accept that this is why a hybrid isn't going to happen. 
    So why is a device that can do more than one thing one way a hybrid?    Or, is that just another cute line?
  • Reply 68 of 80
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,387member
    danvm said:
    danvm said:

    ireland said:
    appex said:
    Apple should release a Mac tablet. iOS is a limited jailed-sandboxed toy without an accesible file system and lacking USB port among other shocking limitations.
    They can add access to a file system without turning it into a Mac; the Mac still exists; what specifically would you like a USB port for? Sounds like you may be looking for a Mac—they are here.
    So, why are you building a wall around the Mac separating it and protecting it from incursions by the tablet world?

    Jobs knew that the key was not in the product but in what the product did for the consumer.  A touchscreen tablet with a file system, available keyboard and mouse and a USB-C port would be invaluable.  It would not be a tablet.  Neither would it be a laptop.   It would be both.  
    Because the leaders of design and software at apple (including Jobs) have told us specifically that they tried touch Macs and they sucked. different use cases. they've thought of anything you've thought of and tried it already. 

    Those leaders you mention, including SJ, explain that the reason was related to ergonomics.  He said that touchscreen notebooks "gives great demo but after a short period of time, you start to fatigue and after an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off. it doesn't work, it's ergonomically terrible."  
    http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-touch-screen-mac-2010-10

    But now looks like Apple change their mind, and you see in the add the iPad + Smart Keyboard being used in vertical position.  IMO, the Surface Pro did the right thing by giving the user the option to use touch or the trackpad, and it's better than using an iPad in vertical position, something Apple already say it's wrong. 
    No, the IPad pro can be used either as a great tablet OR (at this point) a shitty laptop.   Once they add a mouse & cursor (and maybe USB-C and file system) it can be a great laptop as well as a great tablet.  There's no compromise.   There's no loss.
    We don't know if it will be a great laptop, since as today, Apple has declined to do so.  Until then, the iPad + Smart Keyboard is, as Steve Jobs said, "ergonomically terrible". 
    You're still missing the point:   Jobs was talking about touch screen laptops -- and he was right.  
    This discussion is about producing a tablet that can function equally well as either a tablet or laptop with a keyboard and mouse.

    Why force people to buy two devices when one will do?   If Apple doesn't do it, Samsung will.  It's not a matter of IF, it's WHEN?

    Jobs talked about vertical screen and ergonomic issues, which a the time, only applied to touchscreen notebooks and the iPad Dock Keyboard, which was discontinued a few months later.  Now Apple brings back the issues with the Smart Keyboard, and at the same time they reject the possibility of a hybrid device.  The closest think to your request is the Surface Pro 4, which looks like is in the right track, specially when the customer satisfaction is as high as the iPad. 

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-surface-apples-ipad-in-customer-satisfaction-dead-heat/
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 69 of 80
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,387member
    spheric said:
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    Exactly. 

    You get how Apple works. Now you just need to accept that this is why a hybrid isn't going to happen. 

    Interesting how MS made a great device in the Surface Pro 4.  Even the customer satisfaction is as high as the iPad.  I MS did it, why Apple can't?

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-surface-apples-ipad-in-customer-satisfaction-dead-heat/
  • Reply 70 of 80
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,529member
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    Exactly. 

    You get how Apple works. Now you just need to accept that this is why a hybrid isn't going to happen. 

    Interesting how MS made a great device in the Surface Pro 4.  Even the customer satisfaction is as high as the iPad.  I MS did it, why Apple can't?

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-surface-apples-ipad-in-customer-satisfaction-dead-heat/
    Yes, customer satisfaction with Surface devices is high...among those who actually bought one. 

    There is obviously a usage scenario where the compromises the Surface offers are desirable. 

    Now, compare sales of Macs, of iPads...and of the Surface. 
  • Reply 71 of 80
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,387member
    spheric said:
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    Exactly. 

    You get how Apple works. Now you just need to accept that this is why a hybrid isn't going to happen. 

    Interesting how MS made a great device in the Surface Pro 4.  Even the customer satisfaction is as high as the iPad.  I MS did it, why Apple can't?

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-surface-apples-ipad-in-customer-satisfaction-dead-heat/
    Yes, customer satisfaction with Surface devices is high...among those who actually bought one. 

    There is obviously a usage scenario where the compromises the Surface offers are desirable. 

    Now, compare sales of Macs, of iPads...and of the Surface. 
    Why are you moving to conversation to sales, when my post was related to customer satisfaction?
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 72 of 80
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,529member
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    Exactly. 

    You get how Apple works. Now you just need to accept that this is why a hybrid isn't going to happen. 

    Interesting how MS made a great device in the Surface Pro 4.  Even the customer satisfaction is as high as the iPad.  I MS did it, why Apple can't?

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-surface-apples-ipad-in-customer-satisfaction-dead-heat/
    Yes, customer satisfaction with Surface devices is high...among those who actually bought one. 

    There is obviously a usage scenario where the compromises the Surface offers are desirable. 

    Now, compare sales of Macs, of iPads...and of the Surface. 
    Why are you moving to conversation to sales, when my post was related to customer satisfaction?
    Because we're talking about Apple building a product. 

    People are happy with the Surface, but very few people are buying them. It's a tool that doesn't have broad appeal, and its compromises wouldn't make a lot of people happy beyond the few that are buying them. 
  • Reply 73 of 80
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,387member
    spheric said:
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    Exactly. 

    You get how Apple works. Now you just need to accept that this is why a hybrid isn't going to happen. 

    Interesting how MS made a great device in the Surface Pro 4.  Even the customer satisfaction is as high as the iPad.  I MS did it, why Apple can't?

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-surface-apples-ipad-in-customer-satisfaction-dead-heat/
    Yes, customer satisfaction with Surface devices is high...among those who actually bought one. 

    There is obviously a usage scenario where the compromises the Surface offers are desirable. 

    Now, compare sales of Macs, of iPads...and of the Surface. 
    Why are you moving to conversation to sales, when my post was related to customer satisfaction?
    Because we're talking about Apple building a product.
    And that's exactly my point.  MS made a product that had a positive feedback from customers, while Apple say it wasn't possible (toaster+fridge). 

    People are happy with the Surface, but very few people are buying them. It's a tool that doesn't have broad appeal, and its compromises wouldn't make a lot of people happy beyond the few that are buying them. 
    Very few people buy Mac compared to Lenovo and Dell.  Do you think that Mac don''t have a broad appeal?

    edited February 2017 GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 74 of 80
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    Exactly. 

    You get how Apple works. Now you just need to accept that this is why a hybrid isn't going to happen. 

    Interesting how MS made a great device in the Surface Pro 4.  Even the customer satisfaction is as high as the iPad.  I MS did it, why Apple can't?

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-surface-apples-ipad-in-customer-satisfaction-dead-heat/
    Yes, customer satisfaction with Surface devices is high...among those who actually bought one. 

    There is obviously a usage scenario where the compromises the Surface offers are desirable. 

    Now, compare sales of Macs, of iPads...and of the Surface. 
    Why are you moving to conversation to sales, when my post was related to customer satisfaction?
    Why?
    Because the argument against expanding the tablet's functionality into the laptop's area of excellence is an ideological one:  It would compete with the obsolete but still sacred "Apple Computer" Mac.  The Mac must be protected from any and all competition!  
  • Reply 75 of 80
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,529member
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    Exactly. 

    You get how Apple works. Now you just need to accept that this is why a hybrid isn't going to happen. 

    Interesting how MS made a great device in the Surface Pro 4.  Even the customer satisfaction is as high as the iPad.  I MS did it, why Apple can't?

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-surface-apples-ipad-in-customer-satisfaction-dead-heat/
    Yes, customer satisfaction with Surface devices is high...among those who actually bought one. 

    There is obviously a usage scenario where the compromises the Surface offers are desirable. 

    Now, compare sales of Macs, of iPads...and of the Surface. 
    Why are you moving to conversation to sales, when my post was related to customer satisfaction?
    Because we're talking about Apple building a product.
    And that's exactly my point.  MS made a product that had a positive feedback from customers, while Apple say it wasn't possible (toaster+fridge). 

    No. 

    Microsoft made a product that had positive feedback from SURFACE customers, while Apple is absolutely clear that it isn't possible to build one that is up to APPLE's standards. 

    (Aside: Windows 95 had positive customer feedback too.) 

    The niche that needs a toaster-fridge and is willing to go with the compromises involved is understandably happy with their toaster-fridge. 

    Apple doesn't serve that niche. 

    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    People are happy with the Surface, but very few people are buying them. It's a tool that doesn't have broad appeal, and its compromises wouldn't make a lot of people happy beyond the few that are buying them. 
    Very few people buy Mac compared to Lenovo and Dell.  Do you think that Mac don''t have a broad appeal?

    Well, actually, one-third as many as Lenovo, and half as many as Dell isn't really "very few". Apple is the #5 computer manufacturer in the world. 
    In laptops, Apple sells about as many machines as Asus, more than two-thirds as many as Dell, and half of what Lenovo sells. 

    If you include tablet PCs — which you arguably need to, since we're talking about the Surface and including a tablet interface is actually the point of it, then Apple is the Number One computer manufacturer in the world!

    Very few people buy a Surface compared to an iPad or a Mac. Yes, I believe this is due to the fact that the Surface doesn't have broad appeal. 
  • Reply 76 of 80
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,529member

    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    Exactly. 

    You get how Apple works. Now you just need to accept that this is why a hybrid isn't going to happen. 

    Interesting how MS made a great device in the Surface Pro 4.  Even the customer satisfaction is as high as the iPad.  I MS did it, why Apple can't?

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-surface-apples-ipad-in-customer-satisfaction-dead-heat/
    Yes, customer satisfaction with Surface devices is high...among those who actually bought one. 

    There is obviously a usage scenario where the compromises the Surface offers are desirable. 

    Now, compare sales of Macs, of iPads...and of the Surface. 
    Why are you moving to conversation to sales, when my post was related to customer satisfaction?
    Why?
    Because the argument against expanding the tablet's functionality into the laptop's area of excellence is an ideological one:  It would compete with the obsolete but still sacred "Apple Computer" Mac.  The Mac must be protected from any and all competition!   

    What an absurd argument!

    Why on earth would Apple have introduced the iPad in the first place and marketed and promoted the hell out of it as the "future of general computing"!? — Jobs was all over the press with his "trucks vs. cars" comparison.
  • Reply 77 of 80
    spheric said:

    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    Exactly. 

    You get how Apple works. Now you just need to accept that this is why a hybrid isn't going to happen. 

    Interesting how MS made a great device in the Surface Pro 4.  Even the customer satisfaction is as high as the iPad.  I MS did it, why Apple can't?

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-surface-apples-ipad-in-customer-satisfaction-dead-heat/
    Yes, customer satisfaction with Surface devices is high...among those who actually bought one. 

    There is obviously a usage scenario where the compromises the Surface offers are desirable. 

    Now, compare sales of Macs, of iPads...and of the Surface. 
    Why are you moving to conversation to sales, when my post was related to customer satisfaction?
    Why?
    Because the argument against expanding the tablet's functionality into the laptop's area of excellence is an ideological one:  It would compete with the obsolete but still sacred "Apple Computer" Mac.  The Mac must be protected from any and all competition!   

    What an absurd argument!

    Why on earth would Apple have introduced the iPad in the first place and marketed and promoted the hell out of it as the "future of general computing"!? — Jobs
    all over the press with his "trucks vs. cars" comparison.
    The times they are a changin'
    ...  The current and potential capacity of the tablet form factor is far greater today than in the days of the original IPad.   Like it or not, the laptop form factor will be challenged.   For the foreseeable future, the high end laptops will continue to do well.   But slowly but surely the tablet form factor will eat into their niche -- especially as the tablet form factor is released from obsolete and arbitary constraints such as a trackpad on its external keyboard or a file management system as part of its OS.
  • Reply 78 of 80
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,529member
    spheric said:

    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    Exactly. 

    You get how Apple works. Now you just need to accept that this is why a hybrid isn't going to happen. 

    Interesting how MS made a great device in the Surface Pro 4.  Even the customer satisfaction is as high as the iPad.  I MS did it, why Apple can't?

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-surface-apples-ipad-in-customer-satisfaction-dead-heat/
    Yes, customer satisfaction with Surface devices is high...among those who actually bought one. 

    There is obviously a usage scenario where the compromises the Surface offers are desirable. 

    Now, compare sales of Macs, of iPads...and of the Surface. 
    Why are you moving to conversation to sales, when my post was related to customer satisfaction?
    Why?
    Because the argument against expanding the tablet's functionality into the laptop's area of excellence is an ideological one:  It would compete with the obsolete but still sacred "Apple Computer" Mac.  The Mac must be protected from any and all competition!   

    What an absurd argument!

    Why on earth would Apple have introduced the iPad in the first place and marketed and promoted the hell out of it as the "future of general computing"!? — Jobs
    all over the press with his "trucks vs. cars" comparison.
    The times they are a changin'
    ...  The current and potential capacity of the tablet form factor is far greater today than in the days of the original IPad.   Like it or not, the laptop form factor will be challenged.   For the foreseeable future, the high end laptops will continue to do well.   But slowly but surely the tablet form factor will eat into their niche -- especially as the tablet form factor is released from obsolete and arbitary constraints such as a trackpad on its external keyboard or a file management system as part of its OS.
    The whole point of the iPad WAS to challenge traditional computer formats. 

    I'm not sure about your last sentence: it appears to be saying the opposite of what i thought you've been saying. 
  • Reply 79 of 80
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,387member
    spheric said:
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    Exactly. 

    You get how Apple works. Now you just need to accept that this is why a hybrid isn't going to happen. 

    Interesting how MS made a great device in the Surface Pro 4.  Even the customer satisfaction is as high as the iPad.  I MS did it, why Apple can't?

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-surface-apples-ipad-in-customer-satisfaction-dead-heat/
    Yes, customer satisfaction with Surface devices is high...among those who actually bought one. 

    There is obviously a usage scenario where the compromises the Surface offers are desirable. 

    Now, compare sales of Macs, of iPads...and of the Surface. 
    Why are you moving to conversation to sales, when my post was related to customer satisfaction?
    Because we're talking about Apple building a product.
    And that's exactly my point.  MS made a product that had a positive feedback from customers, while Apple say it wasn't possible (toaster+fridge). 

    No. 

    Microsoft made a product that had positive feedback from SURFACE customers, while Apple is absolutely clear that it isn't possible to build one that is up to APPLE's standards. 

    (Aside: Windows 95 had positive customer feedback too.) 

    The niche that needs a toaster-fridge and is willing to go with the compromises involved is understandably happy with their toaster-fridge. 

    Apple doesn't serve that niche. 
    Have you consider that may of those customers were/are Apple customers, that are happy with their Surface device?  BTW, I'm one of those Apple + Surface customers. 

    Well, actually, one-third as many as Lenovo, and half as many as Dell isn't really "very few". Apple is the #5 computer manufacturer in the world. 
    In laptops, Apple sells about as many machines as Asus, more than two-thirds as many as Dell, and half of what Lenovo sells.

    Lenovo sold +55M PC's and Dell +54M in 2016, while Apple sold +18M.  Yes, that's "very few".  Since your criteria for niche is sales numbers, I suppose Mac's are niche too, as the Surface, right?

    If you include tablet PCs — which you arguably need to, since we're talking about the Surface and including a tablet interface is actually the point of it, then Apple is the Number One computer manufacturer in the world!

    Here are some numbers I found for 2016,

    Apple Mac + iPad = 18.4M + 42.5M 

    Lenovo PC's + Tablet = 55M.5 + 10.9M. 

    http://fortune.com/2017/01/11/lenovo-hp-dell-pc-market/

    https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-and-amazon-were-tablet-sales-standouts-in-2016/

    Looks like Apple is not #1 anymore, unless you find something different.

    Very few people buy a Surface compared to an iPad or a Mac. Yes, I believe this is due to the fact that the Surface doesn't have broad appeal.

    Same as Mac's don't have the broad appeal of Lenovo and HP, since they sell far less, right?



  • Reply 80 of 80
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    spheric said:
    spheric said:

    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    danvm said:
    spheric said:
    spheric said:
    Why force people to buy two great devices rather than one mediocre one? 

    Hm. 
    Cute line...  But when has Apple made mediocre devices?   They don't tend to do that.
    Exactly. 

    You get how Apple works. Now you just need to accept that this is why a hybrid isn't going to happen. 

    Interesting how MS made a great device in the Surface Pro 4.  Even the customer satisfaction is as high as the iPad.  I MS did it, why Apple can't?

    http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-surface-apples-ipad-in-customer-satisfaction-dead-heat/
    Yes, customer satisfaction with Surface devices is high...among those who actually bought one. 

    There is obviously a usage scenario where the compromises the Surface offers are desirable. 

    Now, compare sales of Macs, of iPads...and of the Surface. 
    Why are you moving to conversation to sales, when my post was related to customer satisfaction?
    Why?
    Because the argument against expanding the tablet's functionality into the laptop's area of excellence is an ideological one:  It would compete with the obsolete but still sacred "Apple Computer" Mac.  The Mac must be protected from any and all competition!   

    What an absurd argument!

    Why on earth would Apple have introduced the iPad in the first place and marketed and promoted the hell out of it as the "future of general computing"!? — Jobs
    all over the press with his "trucks vs. cars" comparison.
    The times they are a changin'
    ...  The current and potential capacity of the tablet form factor is far greater today than in the days of the original IPad.   Like it or not, the laptop form factor will be challenged.   For the foreseeable future, the high end laptops will continue to do well.   But slowly but surely the tablet form factor will eat into their niche -- especially as the tablet form factor is released from obsolete and arbitary constraints such as a trackpad on its external keyboard or a file management system as part of its OS.
    The whole point of the iPad WAS to challenge traditional computer formats. 

    I'm not sure about your last sentence: it appears to be saying the opposite of what i thought you've been saying. 
    It DID challenge traditional computer formats.
    ...  But the times didn't stop changing...
    ......  Technology has moved along.  Mobile A99 processors are able to compete against their fan based competitors and the tablet is outgrowing its role as being of limited functionality and starting to grow some muscle.
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