What is the rationale behind Apple skipping the iPhone 7S for the iPhone 8? I understand why Samsung has to jump to a new number after their Galaxy Note 7 debacle, but why Apple?
If Apple moves to USB-C, I will only by cables from them. Cheap third party cables are already a big problem. Imagine if they used a non-proprietary standard... No thanks.
What is the rationale behind Apple skipping the iPhone 7S for the iPhone 8? I understand why Samsung has to jump to a new number after their Galaxy Note 7 debacle, but why Apple?
I believe Apple will still have the iPhone 7S and 7s Plus. iPhone 8 will be the flagship model. I wonder if the flagship model will actually be called the 8 or something like the anniversary edition?
Fast charging should have been designed into the iPhone 7. It seems it will be available in the autumn with the new phones. It's one of the little big features that make mobile life better. Definitely a plus of the best kind.
Can't see it ever being of use to me. The 7 Plus lasts all day and then some, and the 8 will be even better. I've never once charged the 7 Plus except docking it at night.
I feel the same about the iPhone 7 - even though it doesn't have as large a battery, I still have never needed to charge it before the night docking. I don't use it every minute, as perhaps some do, but recently had a day where it was in use a lot: 4 hours of voice calls while using AirPods, 1 hr workout with music wirelessly to AirPods, 1 hour of podcasts while driving, various email, messaging and surfing. Ended the day at 11PM with 40% charge remaining.
Just getting some small total % gains in the next couple of versions should push it to the point where 90+% have absolutely no reason to charge before end of day.
Fast charging is a good feature of course, provided it doesn't come at expense of safety or more important features. And perhaps Apple's charging will be "faster", but not some of the high claims by the likes of Samsung (wasn't like 3 hours of use with 15 minutes of charge?)
The royalties Apple collects through its Made for iPhone program are but a tiny drop in the bucket in comparison to other revenue streams. I don't believe Apple would keep Lightning just because of that. For Apple to move from Lightning to USB-C, there'd have to be major advantages regarding usability, etc.
The major disadvantage is that cheap, dangerous cables will be even more prolific with USB-C.
The transfer speed isn't much of an issue since most users don't plug in their iPhone to transfer data.
The next port change for the iPhone will be no port at all.
But it is not Apple's job to stop people using cheap cables. They can educate us, but that's about it imo. I'm all for standardization when it comes to connectivity and cables. I agree that the next, or at least the best, port will be no port. For access when wireless charging and connectivity fails or for higher speed connectivity all phones should include the 'smart connectors', of course.
The real problem is that non-Apple chargers can overcharge the battery, causing the phone to catch on fire or explode. Use the Apple charger.
And then Apple in turn is the one getting bad press for supposed exploding phones and possibly also lawsuits from it.
So it is Apple's job to keep up its reputation for quality products. Its hard to do that when people go to the dollar store and get a .99¢ lightning cable.
With the help of Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI Securities disclosing Apple design well ahead of time, Apple competitors have plenty of time try to implement them to avoid being charged copycat or stealing. And Apple will be accused of no innovation.
after factoring in packaging, shelf space, ect. And Apple always uses top of the line components.
If Apple was making so much profit from cables, then other brands would build the same quality cables and sell at a much cheaper price. But we don't see that. The cheaper cables have horrible quality.
Apple cables are not known for their longevity. The cable restraints near the plugs tend to come apart more often than they should.
@soli ; I wonder if having both a USB-A and a USB-C female port on the charger would satisfy people during the transition. Personally, I would probably opt for the USB-A because right now it is ubiquitous for 99% of computers, cars, airplanes, airport terminals, many charging stations, aux power packs, and even furnishings.
after factoring in packaging, shelf space, ect. And Apple always uses top of the line components.
If Apple was making so much profit from cables, then other brands would build the same quality cables and sell at a much cheaper price. But we don't see that. The cheaper cables have horrible quality.
Apple cables are not known for their longevity. The cable restraints near the plugs tend to come apart more often than they should.
@soli ; I wonder if having both a USB-A and a USB-C female port on the charger would satisfy people during the transition. Personally, I would probably opt for the USB-A because right now it is ubiquitous for 99% of computers, cars, airplanes, airport terminals, many charging stations, aux power packs, and even furnishings.
1) For the Lightning end of the cable you can use 1/4" shrink tubing to increase the cable's longevity.
2a) I'm not sure that making the PSU support both USB-A and USB-C will help, since it still leaves the issue of a USB-C cable not working with nearly every PC on the planet. Plus, it seems very un-Apple-like.
2b) Personally I'd prefer if Apple stopped shipping PSUs with every device since those never wear out, contain a lot of HW with heavy metals, and just seem to keep on piling up. I plan on replacing certain wall outlets with plugs that support USB-C, which I assume will be available in a couple years and be good for a couple decades of use.
What is the rationale behind Apple skipping the iPhone 7S for the iPhone 8? I understand why Samsung has to jump to a new number after their Galaxy Note 7 debacle, but why Apple?
There doesn't seem to be one, but people are speculating they'll do something special for the 10th anniversary release, and having it just be an "S" model isn't enough for them. The thinking seems to be that the 8 will be released alongside the 7S and 7S+.
As for the port, I can easily see Apple will switch the iPhone (and iPad) power bricks to USB-C, and stop selling the USB-A versions. They'll keep the USB-A Lightning cable in stores during the transition, since not everyone will have USB-C ports available, plus USB-A has become a standard for charging and data beyond personal computing (Cars and planes have USB-A ports to hook up your devices for charging and to access your media, for example.) At the same time, I expect they'll push (more) towards wireless sync.
I give a 50/50 chance that we'll see the new USB-C iPad charger (12W) at the proposed March event when they're supposed to be showing off new iPads. (If not in March, it will be whenever they do announce the new iPads.) And it's a no-brainer that any new computer (iMac. Mac mini, Mac Pro) will have USB-C/TB3 ports (whether they have other ports remains to be seen, but it's more likely than on the portables).
Still, I have no inside information or knowledge, so I could be completely wrong on this. It is just wild speculation at this point.
Soli said: 2a) I'm not sure that making the PSU support both USB-A and USB-C will help, since it still leaves the issue of a USB-C cable not working with nearly every PC on the planet. Plus, it seems very un-Apple-like.
I have a car cigarette lighter style charger with two USB-A ports. I love it and it looks great even though it is made by a not to be named South Korean manufacturer. That way we can both charge our phones when we take trips. I even had to use it last year when we were on an older airplane. Everyone sitting nearby was begging to borrow it.
Soli said: 1) For the Lightning end of the cable you can use 1/4" shrink tubing to increase the cable's longevity.
If you can use shrink wrap for the lightning end, you should able to use it for the USB end as well by sliding the tube over the lightning and slipping it down the wire to the other end.
Soli said: 1) For the Lightning end of the cable you can use 1/4" shrink tubing to increase the cable's longevity.
If you can use shrink wrap for the lightning end, you should able to use it for the USB end as well by sliding the tube over the lightning and slipping it down the wire to the other end.
You certainly can, I just didn't mention that as I've never had the USB-A end of the cable having those issues.
The royalties Apple collects through its Made for iPhone program are but a tiny drop in the bucket in comparison to other revenue streams. I don't believe Apple would keep Lightning just because of that. For Apple to move from Lightning to USB-C, there'd have to be major advantages regarding usability, etc.
You're kidding, right? Apple makes a ton off of selling cables and chargers. If fact, they recommend you use only Apple charging / synch cables. Using cheap 3rd part cables / chargers could possibly invalidate your warranty if the phone gets damaged from charging (and Apple can prove it), The profit margin on their cables is HUGE!
Really... Apple makes "a ton' off of cables and chargers? Okay, I'll bite.... please provide official figures stating what you said.
Reality... Apple sells cables and chargers not to gouge the consumer more like you're implying, but to make sure that it doesn't toast their Apple products like the shitty Chinese knockoffs do. It's cheap insurance for expensive iPhones and MacBooks. Any profits made from it is chump change to Apple. The potential PR damage caused by an iPhone catching fire from a bad cable/fire is far more costly.
What is the rationale behind Apple skipping the iPhone 7S for the iPhone 8? I understand why Samsung has to jump to a new number after their Galaxy Note 7 debacle, but why Apple?
There doesn't seem to be one, but people are speculating they'll do something special for the 10th anniversary release, and having it just be an "S" model isn't enough for them. The thinking seems to be that the 8 will be released alongside the 7S and 7S+.
As for the port, I can easily see Apple will switch the iPhone (and iPad) power bricks to USB-C, and stop selling the USB-A versions. They'll keep the USB-A Lightning cable in stores during the transition, since not everyone will have USB-C ports available, plus USB-A has become a standard for charging and data beyond personal computing (Cars and planes have USB-A ports to hook up your devices for charging and to access your media, for example.) At the same time, I expect they'll push (more) towards wireless sync.
I give a 50/50 chance that we'll see the new USB-C iPad charger (12W) at the proposed March event when they're supposed to be showing off new iPads. (If not in March, it will be whenever they do announce the new iPads.) And it's a no-brainer that any new computer (iMac. Mac mini, Mac Pro) will have USB-C/TB3 ports (whether they have other ports remains to be seen, but it's more likely than on the portables).
Still, I have no inside information or knowledge, so I could be completely wrong on this. It is just wild speculation at this point.
No need for that last paragraph when you qualify your comments so well. I think we all can learn something from your response.
Fast charging should have been designed into the iPhone 7. It seems it will be available in the autumn with the new phones. It's one of the little big features that make mobile life better. Definitely a plus of the best kind.
Fast charging has an impact on battery life and heat dissipatiion, considering how absurdly packed the current Iphone already is, it's not something that easy to do correctly (if you don't want to mess up your battery or cook your circuitry, whichever comes first.
Sorry. I'm not buying that. I have two year old, cheap Chinese phones at home with fast charging. The only time they hot is when I leave them in the sun. There are premium phones that are packed too and they also have fast charging. I think the latest have ultra fast charging. If Apple wanted to include it they could, even if it meant designing for it.
They were late to the party and that's all. Maybe a marketing thing but I'm not buying the 'difficulty' line.
Fast charging should have been designed into the iPhone 7. It seems it will be available in the autumn with the new phones. It's one of the little big features that make mobile life better. Definitely a plus of the best kind.
If you have a 2 amp (I think they are 2.4 amp now?) iPad charger, the iPhone 7/+ will draw 2amps and charge roughly twice as fast. The iPhone 6/+ did that as well. I thought that was fast enough, rarely used it but when I needed a quick charge, it worked well given it takes some 3 hours to charge a 6+ or 7+ on a 1 amp charger.
I know the iPhone 6 could. I thought there was some debate on whether the 7 could or couldn't.
Either way, it doesn't officially support fast charging but if it could charge faster with a more capable charger it would have been great if Apple had included it in the box.
Fast charging should have been designed into the iPhone 7. It seems it will be available in the autumn with the new phones. It's one of the little big features that make mobile life better. Definitely a plus of the best kind.
Fast charging should have been designed into the iPhone 7. It seems it will be available in the autumn with the new phones. It's one of the little big features that make mobile life better. Definitely a plus of the best kind.
Can't see it ever being of use to me. The 7 Plus lasts all day and then some, and the 8 will be even better. I've never once charged the 7 Plus except docking it at night.
In your case probably not, unless your habits change. My habits are the same as yours but there are times when I need a top up.
I work in a smart city where there are charging points in shopping centres, on trains and buses etc. Getting the fastest charge possible out if the shortest time is good for the user and others who might be waiting to top up.
after factoring in packaging, shelf space, ect. And Apple always uses top of the line components.
If Apple was making so much profit from cables, then other brands would build the same quality cables and sell at a much cheaper price. But we don't see that. The cheaper cables have horrible quality.
Apple cables are not known for their longevity. The cable restraints near the plugs tend to come apart more often than they should.
@soli ; I wonder if having both a USB-A and a USB-C female port on the charger would satisfy people during the transition. Personally, I would probably opt for the USB-A because right now it is ubiquitous for 99% of computers, cars, airplanes, airport terminals, many charging stations, aux power packs, and even furnishings.
Go show me some cables that are SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper then Apple cables and have the same quality?
If you can't then it means Apple isn't overcharging.
1) I have no idea what comment you meant to reply to, but the quoted comment by @volcan do not mention anything about overcharging. You also need to keep in mind that selling a product at a higher price doesn't mean the customer is being overcharged. A product is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Full stop.
2) There are plenty of quality, Apple MFi certified cables that are considerably cheaper than what Apple sells. I'd argue that Belkin's are better quality insofar as they don't need to fray at the Lightning end as quickly, but you also have to consider materials used and we know Apple removed PVC from their cable casings less than a decade ago which has reduced their longevity, which other vendors don't have to contend with since they don't have the same mindshare that Apple does.
Here are three manufacturers/vendors that sell quality cables that I trust.
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Just getting some small total % gains in the next couple of versions should push it to the point where 90+% have absolutely no reason to charge before end of day.
Fast charging is a good feature of course, provided it doesn't come at expense of safety or more important features. And perhaps Apple's charging will be "faster", but not some of the high claims by the likes of Samsung (wasn't like 3 hours of use with 15 minutes of charge?)
@soli ;
I wonder if having both a USB-A and a USB-C female port on the charger would satisfy people during the transition. Personally, I would probably opt for the USB-A because right now it is ubiquitous for 99% of computers, cars, airplanes, airport terminals, many charging stations, aux power packs, and even furnishings.
2a) I'm not sure that making the PSU support both USB-A and USB-C will help, since it still leaves the issue of a USB-C cable not working with nearly every PC on the planet. Plus, it seems very un-Apple-like.
2b) Personally I'd prefer if Apple stopped shipping PSUs with every device since those never wear out, contain a lot of HW with heavy metals, and just seem to keep on piling up. I plan on replacing certain wall outlets with plugs that support USB-C, which I assume will be available in a couple years and be good for a couple decades of use.
There doesn't seem to be one, but people are speculating they'll do something special for the 10th anniversary release, and having it just be an "S" model isn't enough for them. The thinking seems to be that the 8 will be released alongside the 7S and 7S+.
As for the port, I can easily see Apple will switch the iPhone (and iPad) power bricks to USB-C, and stop selling the USB-A versions. They'll keep the USB-A Lightning cable in stores during the transition, since not everyone will have USB-C ports available, plus USB-A has become a standard for charging and data beyond personal computing (Cars and planes have USB-A ports to hook up your devices for charging and to access your media, for example.) At the same time, I expect they'll push (more) towards wireless sync.
I give a 50/50 chance that we'll see the new USB-C iPad charger (12W) at the proposed March event when they're supposed to be showing off new iPads. (If not in March, it will be whenever they do announce the new iPads.) And it's a no-brainer that any new computer (iMac. Mac mini, Mac Pro) will have USB-C/TB3 ports (whether they have other ports remains to be seen, but it's more likely than on the portables).
Still, I have no inside information or knowledge, so I could be completely wrong on this. It is just wild speculation at this point.
If you can use shrink wrap for the lightning end, you should able to use it for the USB end as well by sliding the tube over the lightning and slipping it down the wire to the other end.
Reality... Apple sells cables and chargers not to gouge the consumer more like you're implying, but to make sure that it doesn't toast their Apple products like the shitty Chinese knockoffs do. It's cheap insurance for expensive iPhones and MacBooks. Any profits made from it is chump change to Apple. The potential PR damage caused by an iPhone catching fire from a bad cable/fire is far more costly.
They were late to the party and that's all. Maybe a marketing thing but I'm not buying the 'difficulty' line.
Either way, it doesn't officially support fast charging but if it could charge faster with a more capable charger it would have been great if Apple had included it in the box.
I work in a smart city where there are charging points in shopping centres, on trains and buses etc. Getting the fastest charge possible out if the shortest time is good for the user and others who might be waiting to top up.
2) There are plenty of quality, Apple MFi certified cables that are considerably cheaper than what Apple sells. I'd argue that Belkin's are better quality insofar as they don't need to fray at the Lightning end as quickly, but you also have to consider materials used and we know Apple removed PVC from their cable casings less than a decade ago which has reduced their longevity, which other vendors don't have to contend with since they don't have the same mindshare that Apple does.
Here are three manufacturers/vendors that sell quality cables that I trust.