Samsung, LG concerned by Apple's plans to replace OLED with micro-LED in 2017 Apple Watch ...

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  • Reply 21 of 67
    This is the beauty of Apple's position of knowing they have such a regular and reliable huge cash flow; they have the time it takes to develop things like this without needing to do it half assed. Bit by bit Apple will skewer Samsung but all in due course. 
    I think you touched upon an excellent point here. In order to make  retain innovation feasible for mass production in terms of cost and quality, you simply won't get there with a 12, or 24 months break-even timeline. This is one of the potential advantages, companies such as Apple have. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 67
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 31,504member
    jcallows said:
    make a round apple watch please
    LOL. Don't see that happening. It makes for a terrible UI experience.
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  • Reply 23 of 67
    qwweraqwwera Posts: 280member
    jcallows said:
    make a round apple watch please
    Yikes no!
    Round is for circular spinning hands, not displays.

    Electronic gadgets that copy a an analog skeuomorphic element are not just tacky and silly, they completely go against the time honored principle of form following function.
    They look stupid too.

    SoliStrangeDaysradarthekatRayz2016SpamSandwichmejsricargonautwatto_cobranetmage
  • Reply 24 of 67
    Samsung would be crazy to think that Apple aren't going to internalise supply - it's how businesses save costs, and Apple has been hard at work at this for years now.
    Samsung's persistent delinquent behaviour is a contributing factor for Apple to "go it alone" in new technologies. Apple could have involved their current partners in new chipset, gpu, wireless and now screen technology - it would bring it to market quicker: but instead they have realised that it's Apple's production volume which makes this technology viable, and there is no loyalty in building up other people's businesses.

    If Samsung wants to compete they should put their "thousands" of engineers to work on creating something new - instead of just ripping off every product in the market place while contributing as little as possible towards technological progress.
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  • Reply 25 of 67
    SoliSoli Posts: 9,380member
    I'd love to see this across the board.
    edited April 2017 watto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 67
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 8,811member
    baederboy said:
    So, what if the talk about a touch bar at the bottom of the phone was really a micro LED panel with the fingerprint sensor embedded in it;  and an OLED panel was the main screen? 
     And maybe the next generation of the MacBook Pro has a micro LED Touch Bar? 
    IMO, the Touch Bar is deader than dead. Pros rejected the new MacBook Pros and the Touch Bar didn't help their cause.
    How do you figure, considering the record Mac quarter? Just because Marco and his groupies in the techie-blogger echo chamber say so doesn't make it fact. 
    edited April 2017 Soliradarthekatpscooter63Rayz2016mejsricwatto_cobranetmageibillbrucemcbadmonk
  • Reply 27 of 67
    SoliSoli Posts: 9,380member
    baederboy said:
    So, what if the talk about a touch bar at the bottom of the phone was really a micro LED panel with the fingerprint sensor embedded in it;  and an OLED panel was the main screen? 
     And maybe the next generation of the MacBook Pro has a micro LED Touch Bar? 
    IMO, the Touch Bar is deader than dead. Pros rejected the new MacBook Pros and the Touch Bar didn't help their cause.
    How do you figure, considering the record Mac quarter? Just because Marco and his groupies in the techie-blogger echo chamber say so doesn't make it fact. 
    I think every major change to the MacBook Pro has been met with "Apple doesn't care about professionals." Even the switch to Intel, which was sorely needed, had people bitching about how it'll be a long time before developers like MS and Adobe made the switch so they'll have to still use aging G4 Macs, and if you mentioned Rosetta they'd say it was only a band-aid, even though the performance gain with x86 and Apple's focus on my making Adobe's apps perform great under Rosetta usually meant a net increase in performance.

    In several years when Apple changes the design of the MacBook Pro once again people will say that Apple no longer cares about professionals, forgetting that they or someone else had already clalimed Apple threw in the towel the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, etc.
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  • Reply 28 of 67
    Micro - LED is the future for sure the tech is so advanced way more efficient and also won't have any burn in/lifetime issues like OLED. Also it will once again give Apple a huge leg up on the competition. Right now and I'd say in the past year or two starting with the S6 Sammy had an advantage basically owing the OLED display market and factories to its own. Apple needs such scale and to manufacture so many iPhones the capacity wasn't there for Apple to use, even this year Samsung will be barely able to supply Apple with enough displays for the iPhone 8/X. If Apple can own there own factories for displays and memory by god does the future of the company look very bright, especially with he Chip teams Apple has in place already for there A-series processors
    SpamSandwichwatto_cobra
  • Reply 29 of 67
    jkichlinejkichline Posts: 1,336member
    baederboy said:
    So, what if the talk about a touch bar at the bottom of the phone was really a micro LED panel with the fingerprint sensor embedded in it;  and an OLED panel was the main screen? 
     And maybe the next generation of the MacBook Pro has a micro LED Touch Bar? 
    IMO, the Touch Bar is deader than dead. Pros rejected the new MacBook Pros and the Touch Bar didn't help their cause.
    I'm not sure about your position on this. The TouchBar is nice, but I'd argue that most pros don't use one because they use an external keyboard and mouse when at a desk.
    pscooter63mejsricwatto_cobrastompy
  • Reply 30 of 67
    jcallows said:
    make a round apple watch please
    I'm personally holding out for the round laptop screen.
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  • Reply 31 of 67
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 4,788member
    jcallows said:
    make a round apple watch please
    I'm personally holding out for the round laptop screen.
    Round keyboard. 

    A round keyboard or fire Tim Cook.  There are no other choices. 
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  • Reply 32 of 67
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 31,504member
    jcallows said:
    make a round apple watch please
    I'm personally holding out for the round laptop screen.
    Holy circular logic, Batman!
    watto_cobrastompy
  • Reply 33 of 67
    How is micro-LED not capable of yielding large screen iPhone displays? Sony made a 55" micro-LED TV in 2012. 
    And what was the pixel density?
    Would that be adequate for a touch sensitive device?
    How would that a screen with that pixel density look on a phone

    So, yes it was possible to do what Sony did. That does not mean that it is possible to make decent screens (say QHD) for watches, phones and tablets.
    netmage
  • Reply 34 of 67
    Samsung earns more from selling Apple complnents than their own mobile devices. Maybe they should not have copied Apple from the start. Apple has on more than one occation supplied component manufacturers with the complete production line in return for exclusivity, if Samsung did not do what they did, maybe Apple would give them the IP and ecuipmenr for making the screens they need.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 35 of 67
     I would like to see Samsung churn out new technologies when they will not have anything to copy from Apple as Apple won't be sourcing anything from them in the future!


    Like the below, right?

    1. Super Amoled display in Samsung Galaxy Nexus in 2011, copied from iphone 8/X in 2017

    2. Large screen display in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iphone 6 in 2015

    3. Stylus support in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iPad Pro in 2015

    4. Split screen multitasking in Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition (released in Nov-2013), copied from iOS 9 in 2015

    5. Waterproofing in Samsung Galaxy S5 in Mar-2014, copied from iphone 7 in Sep-2016 (instead of Sony Xperia Z from Jan-2013)

    6. UFS internal storage in Samsung Galaxy S6 in Jan-2015, copied from iphone 6S in Sep-2015

    7. Dual Pixel camera sensor in Samsung Galaxy S7, copied from yet to be released iphone

    8. UFS card slot in Samsung Galaxy S8, copied from yet to be released iphone

    edited April 2017 avon b7
  • Reply 36 of 67
    SoliSoli Posts: 9,380member
     I would like to see Samsung churn out new technologies when they will not have anything to copy from Apple as Apple won't be sourcing anything from them in the future!


    Like the below, right?

    1. Super Amoled display in Samsung Galaxy Nexus in 2011, copied from iphone 8/X in 2017

    2. Large screen display in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iphone 6 in 2015

    3. Stylus support in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iPad Pro in 2015

    4. Split screen multitasking in Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition (released in Nov-2013), copied from iOS 9 in 2015

    5. Waterproofing in Samsung Galaxy S5 in Mar-2014, copied from iphone 7 in Sep-2016 (instead of Sony Xperia Z from Jan-2013)

    6. UFS internal storage in Samsung Galaxy S6 in Jan-2015, copied from iphone 6S in Sep-2015

    7. Dual Pixel camera sensor in Samsung Galaxy S7, copied from yet to be released iphone

    8. UFS card slot in Samsung Galaxy S8, copied from yet to be released iphone

    1) So AMOLED is an innovation for CE that only Samsung can use otherwise it's copying? Does that mean using LCD or even a keyboard on a notebook means Samsung is copying Apple because Apple used it long before Samsung was making laptops? Of course you wouldn't think that so stop making stupid comments.

    2) Now a larger display is a Samsung invention? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds?

    3) If you're going to say that the iPad copied a smartphone then you have to go back to point two and say that the 2010 iPad came before he 2012 Note so that means that Samsung copied Apple's iPad on the Note. Again, you wouldn't say that either, because it sounds stupid.

    4) You really have no concept of what adding a feature is v stealing IP is, do you?

    5) Ah, the Galaxy S5 that had a door over the USB port when you wanted it to be waterproof and even then it failed miserably with many tests. Even now, Apple user promises and overdelivers with their waterproofing claims, and that's comparing to new Samsung devices.




    6) The last three too ridiculous to even consider trying to respond, but I hope that one day you understand the difference between saying you have a feature so you can put it on a spec sheet and actually taking the time to engineer HW and SW to make an excellent experience for the user. For rational people who care about technology, that makes all the difference.
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  • Reply 37 of 67
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 4,302member
    Soli said:
     I would like to see Samsung churn out new technologies when they will not have anything to copy from Apple as Apple won't be sourcing anything from them in the future!


    Like the below, right?

    1. Super Amoled display in Samsung Galaxy Nexus in 2011, copied from iphone 8/X in 2017

    2. Large screen display in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iphone 6 in 2015

    3. Stylus support in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iPad Pro in 2015

    4. Split screen multitasking in Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition (released in Nov-2013), copied from iOS 9 in 2015

    5. Waterproofing in Samsung Galaxy S5 in Mar-2014, copied from iphone 7 in Sep-2016 (instead of Sony Xperia Z from Jan-2013)

    6. UFS internal storage in Samsung Galaxy S6 in Jan-2015, copied from iphone 6S in Sep-2015

    7. Dual Pixel camera sensor in Samsung Galaxy S7, copied from yet to be released iphone

    8. UFS card slot in Samsung Galaxy S8, copied from yet to be released iphone

    1) So AMOLED is an innovation for CE that only Samsung can use otherwise it's copying? Does that mean using LCD or even a keyboard on a notebook means Samsung is copying Apple because Apple used it long before Samsung was making laptops? Of course you wouldn't think that so stop making stupid comments.

    2) Now a larger display is a Samsung invention? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds?

    3) If you're going to say that the iPad copied a smartphone then you have to go back to point two and say that the 2010 iPad came before he 2012 Note so that means that Samsung copied Apple's iPad on the Note. Again, you wouldn't say that either, because it sounds stupid.

    4) You really have no concept of what adding a feature is v stealing IP is, do you?

    5) Ah, the Galaxy S5 that had a door over the USB port when you wanted it to be waterproof and even then it failed miserably with many tests. Even now, Apple user promises and overdelivers with their waterproofing claims, and that's comparing to new Samsung devices.




    6) The last three too ridiculous to even consider trying to respond, but I hope that one day you understand the difference between saying you have a feature so you can put it on a spec sheet and actually taking the time to engineer HW and SW to make an excellent experience for the user. For rational people who care about technology, that makes all the difference.
    His comment was fine in the context of the post he was referring to.

    There are far too many people that just repeat 'Samsung copied' this or that 'from Apple' without even the slightest care for reality.

    When reality is pointed out, those same people simply change track and throw the 'but Aple fully bakes its products before release' line which is as  equally untrue as the original claim.

    The true reality, minus distortion field, is that this is a pendulum that swings both ways and if you only look at it when it's in one direction you are on shaky ground if you start making copycat claims you will likely get shot down.

    Samsung has brought far more to the consumer and professional markets than Apple ever will simply because Samsung is a sprawling conglomerate that makes untold kinds of devices. Technology from some devices will logically seep into others.

    At some point there will be greater  (and more secure) convergence of those devices and it will no doubt be another new selling point for them. The same applies to LG. It's one of their strong points. All Apple can do if it doesn't want to make microwave ovens, 3D glasses, TVs, washing machines, components or whatever, is provide platforms (Apple Pay, the various xxxkits, etc) and hope people build for them and/or they are allowed into the other 'gardens' when competing platforms take hold.

    While they have their own multi million user base and cash in the bank, the short term looks rosy. I don't know what lies beyond the next major iPhone update but I do know that if someone does AI right, it will be difficult to compete with if they have a complete platform to integrate with.

    But to say Samsung just copies is woefully short sighted.


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  • Reply 38 of 67
    How is micro-LED not capable of yielding large screen iPhone displays? Sony made a 55" micro-LED TV in 2012. 
    And what was the pixel density?
    Would that be adequate for a touch sensitive device?
    How would that a screen with that pixel density look on a phone

    So, yes it was possible to do what Sony did. That does not mean that it is possible to make decent screens (say QHD) for watches, phones and tablets.
    Sony's 2012 55" micro-LED TV was a 1080p panel with 40PPI if I'm reading the following source correctly: http://www.ledinside.com/outlook/2016/7/sony_and_apple_micro_led_display_market_strategy
  • Reply 39 of 67
    Soli said:
     I would like to see Samsung churn out new technologies when they will not have anything to copy from Apple as Apple won't be sourcing anything from them in the future!


    Like the below, right?

    1. Super Amoled display in Samsung Galaxy Nexus in 2011, copied from iphone 8/X in 2017

    2. Large screen display in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iphone 6 in 2015

    3. Stylus support in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iPad Pro in 2015

    4. Split screen multitasking in Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition (released in Nov-2013), copied from iOS 9 in 2015

    5. Waterproofing in Samsung Galaxy S5 in Mar-2014, copied from iphone 7 in Sep-2016 (instead of Sony Xperia Z from Jan-2013)

    6. UFS internal storage in Samsung Galaxy S6 in Jan-2015, copied from iphone 6S in Sep-2015

    7. Dual Pixel camera sensor in Samsung Galaxy S7, copied from yet to be released iphone

    8. UFS card slot in Samsung Galaxy S8, copied from yet to be released iphone

    1) So AMOLED is an innovation for CE that only Samsung can use otherwise it's copying? Does that mean using LCD or even a keyboard on a notebook means Samsung is copying Apple because Apple used it long before Samsung was making laptops? Of course you wouldn't think that so stop making stupid comments.

    2) Now a larger display is a Samsung invention? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds?

    3) If you're going to say that the iPad copied a smartphone then you have to go back to point two and say that the 2010 iPad came before he 2012 Note so that means that Samsung copied Apple's iPad on the Note. Again, you wouldn't say that either, because it sounds stupid.

    4) You really have no concept of what adding a feature is v stealing IP is, do you?

    5) Ah, the Galaxy S5 that had a door over the USB port when you wanted it to be waterproof and even then it failed miserably with many tests. Even now, Apple user promises and overdelivers with their waterproofing claims, and that's comparing to new Samsung devices.




    6) The last three too ridiculous to even consider trying to respond, but I hope that one day you understand the difference between saying you have a feature so you can put it on a spec sheet and actually taking the time to engineer HW and SW to make an excellent experience for the user. For rational people who care about technology, that makes all the difference.


    1) The post I replied to claimed "what would Samsung do if they don't have anything to copy from Apple". In that context, the response is - Samsung would invest in AMOLED displays and become the OEM with "THE BEST" displays in the smartphones.

    2) Again the context in which I mentioned this matters. Not so long ago (just 4 years back), majority of iphone users claimed 3.5/4 inch is the best size for a smartphone. Samsung was the first one to show the way FORWARD w.r.t. screen sizes. Much like Apple showed the way forward with higher resolution display much earlier than every other OEM.

    3) Tablets and smartphones are two different product categories. But stylus support was first implemented successfully by Samsung which other Android OEMs with limited budget are unable to copy successfully so far. When the question is "what would Samsung do without anything to copy from Apple", they would work on stylus support without Apple provide them for copying is a VALID answer.

    4) A feature which many in this forum still "believe" was copied by Google from Apple, while the truth is both Apple and Google copied it from Samsung.

    5) That is besides the point. Point was - Samsung & Apple copied this from Sony. Apple need NOT be the only company to invent things or bring useful ideas to the industry for others to copy. Samsung/HTC/Sony/LG/Huawei can do as well, apart from Apple.

    6) Again the points were about what would Samsung do without Apple providing them something to copy, and all those were valid points. Samsung does bring new ideas to move the smartphone industry forward.

  • Reply 40 of 67
    misamisa Posts: 827member
    Soli said:
    baederboy said:
    So, what if the talk about a touch bar at the bottom of the phone was really a micro LED panel with the fingerprint sensor embedded in it;  and an OLED panel was the main screen? 
     And maybe the next generation of the MacBook Pro has a micro LED Touch Bar? 
    IMO, the Touch Bar is deader than dead. Pros rejected the new MacBook Pros and the Touch Bar didn't help their cause.
    How do you figure, considering the record Mac quarter? Just because Marco and his groupies in the techie-blogger echo chamber say so doesn't make it fact. 
    I think every major change to the MacBook Pro has been met with "Apple doesn't care about professionals." Even the switch to Intel, which was sorely needed, had people bitching about how it'll be a long time before developers like MS and Adobe made the switch so they'll have to still use aging G4 Macs, and if you mentioned Rosetta they'd say it was only a band-aid, even though the performance gain with x86 and Apple's focus on my making Adobe's apps perform great under Rosetta usually meant a net increase in performance.

    In several years when Apple changes the design of the MacBook Pro once again people will say that Apple no longer cares about professionals, forgetting that they or someone else had already clalimed Apple threw in the towel the last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, etc.
    But it's true. Rosetta a guarantee cut in performance by half. Sure MS Office and Web browsers of that era were not terribly affected by that. However SINCE then, Apple has stripped it's pro hardware and software back to nearly rubbish tier.

    Here's a company that produces a very nice hardware and software package for a premium price, but tells pro customers to pound pavement, thus driving a wedge between people who are buying Mac's for home/home-office, replacing them every 3 years and those that would buy substantially more expensive hardware and software, but replace them every 8 years. Apple's "pro" offerings have been a joke. What was the point of acquiring Final Cut Pro and then turning it into pretty much iMovie Pro? Then never releasing a Pro hardware device ever again? 

    Apple has a pro-software market that is just rotting on old hardware, because it refuses to build the kind of hardware that is required, and that an iMac/MacMini is woefully less than useless. 

    What has actually happened in the NLE editing market is that they've been cutting the computer entirely out of the editing workflow due to this. So now you need to buy a $500 h264 encoder box that plugs directly into 12G HDI and USB NVME hard drive recorder because there's no way to actually get the video into the Mac due to no PCIe cards.
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