Samsung, LG concerned by Apple's plans to replace OLED with micro-LED in 2017 Apple Watch ...

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  • Reply 41 of 67
    Samsung earns more from selling Apple complnents than their own mobile devices. Maybe they should not have copied Apple from the start. Apple has on more than one occation supplied component manufacturers with the complete production line in return for exclusivity, if Samsung did not do what they did, maybe Apple would give them the IP and ecuipmenr for making the screens they need.
    So you really think Samsung needs IP and equipment for making displays?
  • Reply 42 of 67
    avon b7 said:
    Soli said:
     I would like to see Samsung churn out new technologies when they will not have anything to copy from Apple as Apple won't be sourcing anything from them in the future!


    Like the below, right?

    1. Super Amoled display in Samsung Galaxy Nexus in 2011, copied from iphone 8/X in 2017

    2. Large screen display in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iphone 6 in 2015

    3. Stylus support in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iPad Pro in 2015

    4. Split screen multitasking in Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition (released in Nov-2013), copied from iOS 9 in 2015

    5. Waterproofing in Samsung Galaxy S5 in Mar-2014, copied from iphone 7 in Sep-2016 (instead of Sony Xperia Z from Jan-2013)

    6. UFS internal storage in Samsung Galaxy S6 in Jan-2015, copied from iphone 6S in Sep-2015

    7. Dual Pixel camera sensor in Samsung Galaxy S7, copied from yet to be released iphone

    8. UFS card slot in Samsung Galaxy S8, copied from yet to be released iphone

    1) So AMOLED is an innovation for CE that only Samsung can use otherwise it's copying? Does that mean using LCD or even a keyboard on a notebook means Samsung is copying Apple because Apple used it long before Samsung was making laptops? Of course you wouldn't think that so stop making stupid comments.

    2) Now a larger display is a Samsung invention? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds?

    3) If you're going to say that the iPad copied a smartphone then you have to go back to point two and say that the 2010 iPad came before he 2012 Note so that means that Samsung copied Apple's iPad on the Note. Again, you wouldn't say that either, because it sounds stupid.

    4) You really have no concept of what adding a feature is v stealing IP is, do you?

    5) Ah, the Galaxy S5 that had a door over the USB port when you wanted it to be waterproof and even then it failed miserably with many tests. Even now, Apple user promises and overdelivers with their waterproofing claims, and that's comparing to new Samsung devices.




    6) The last three too ridiculous to even consider trying to respond, but I hope that one day you understand the difference between saying you have a feature so you can put it on a spec sheet and actually taking the time to engineer HW and SW to make an excellent experience for the user. For rational people who care about technology, that makes all the difference.
    His comment was fine in the context of the post he was referring to.

    There are far too many people that just repeat 'Samsung copied' this or that 'from Apple' without even the slightest care for reality.

    When reality is pointed out, those same people simply change track and throw the 'but Aple fully bakes its products before release' line which is as  equally untrue as the original claim.

    The true reality, minus distortion field, is that this is a pendulum that swings both ways and if you only look at it when it's in one direction you are on shaky ground if you start making copycat claims you will likely get shot down.

    Samsung has brought far more to the consumer and professional markets than Apple ever will simply because Samsung is a sprawling conglomerate that makes untold kinds of devices. Technology from some devices will logically seep into others.

    At some point there will be greater  (and more secure) convergence of those devices and it will no doubt be another new selling point for them. The same applies to LG. It's one of their strong points. All Apple can do if it doesn't want to make microwave ovens, 3D glasses, TVs, washing machines, components or whatever, is provide platforms (Apple Pay, the various xxxkits, etc) and hope people build for them and/or they are allowed into the other 'gardens' when competing platforms take hold.

    While they have their own multi million user base and cash in the bank, the short term looks rosy. I don't know what lies beyond the next major iPhone update but I do know that if someone does AI right, it will be difficult to compete with if they have a complete platform to integrate with.

    But to say Samsung just copies is woefully short sighted.


    This post makes great sense. The hypocrisy among fanboys are seen in great extent here. As if no one else but Apple innovates.
    brucemcSpamSandwich
  • Reply 43 of 67
    Why would those other display-making companies be worried? It's not as though Apple is going to become a supplier for other smartphone manufacturers. As it is, the iPhone market share percentage is rather tiny compared to all the other Android smartphones being produced on this planet. Wall Street is always poking fun over the iPhone's continually shrinking market share so apparently there isn't much for other smartphone companies to concern themselves about. By the time Apple comes to market with some microLED product I'm sure Samsung will have already figured out how to build their own microLED displays in record numbers. There isn't anything Samsung can't reverse-engineer to copy or do whatever needs to be done. It seems as though Apple is never able to patent some component or technology that another company can't copy.

    Apple really does need to get away from having to rely on Samsung for components but it may not be very easy to do. Samsung definitely makes fine displays and memory components. Samsung likely spent a lot of money building their own infrastructure for components.
    edited April 2017
  • Reply 44 of 67
    Why would those other display-making companies be worried? It's not as though Apple is going to become a supplier for other smartphone manufacturers. As it is, the iPhone market share percentage is rather tiny compared to all the other Android smartphones being produced on this planet. Wall Street is always poking fun over the iPhone's continually shrinking market share so apparently there isn't much for other smartphone companies to concern themselves about. By the time Apple comes to market with some microLED product I'm sure Samsung will have already figured out how to build their own microLED displays in record numbers. There isn't anything Samsung can't reverse-engineer to copy or do whatever needs to be done. It seems as though Apple is never able to patent some component or technology that another company can't copy.

    Apple really does need to get away from having to rely on Samsung for components but it may not be very easy to do. Samsung definitely makes fine displays and memory components. Samsung likely spent a lot of money building their own infrastructure for components.

    It is not a question of other companies worrying about Apple not selling them the technology. It is about "losing business" with Apple after 2-3 years which is a profitable one for them right now. And they should be worried about losing revenue/profit naturally.
  • Reply 45 of 67
    robin huberrobin huber Posts: 3,295member
    Why bother to shift to OLED for one model year only to change to a proprietary screen?
  • Reply 46 of 67
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,969member
     I would like to see Samsung churn out new technologies when they will not have anything to copy from Apple as Apple won't be sourcing anything from them in the future!


    Like the below, right?

    1. Super Amoled display in Samsung Galaxy Nexus in 2011, copied from iphone 8/X in 2017

    2. Large screen display in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iphone 6 in 2015

    3. Stylus support in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iPad Pro in 2015

    4. Split screen multitasking in Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition (released in Nov-2013), copied from iOS 9 in 2015

    5. Waterproofing in Samsung Galaxy S5 in Mar-2014, copied from iphone 7 in Sep-2016 (instead of Sony Xperia Z from Jan-2013)

    6. UFS internal storage in Samsung Galaxy S6 in Jan-2015, copied from iphone 6S in Sep-2015

    7. Dual Pixel camera sensor in Samsung Galaxy S7, copied from yet to be released iphone

    8. UFS card slot in Samsung Galaxy S8, copied from yet to be released iphone

    Oh please. None of those things were innovative. They were all just iterative. Their OLED displays are very good, these days, but only after they decided to copy Apple's individual calibrating of each phone screen. Before that they were total crap.

    and how popular was the split screen function in the Tab? Not very. They have to give those things away, because they can't sell them.

    the stylus in the Note wasn't innovative. It still is used by a small number of people, when you can get a Note that hasn't blown up. Now, that was innovative!

    the iPhone 6 is considered to be water resistant as well, even though Apple didn't advertise it that way. The early Samsung resistant products, didn't fare too well in water. And there is no waterproof phone, from anyone. Understand what this actually means.

    apple has had Focus Pixels in their sensors for several years, which is why it focuses faster, and more accurately than samsung's.

    im not sure what the big deal is about UFS storage. Apple's storage is more than twice as fast as that in Samsung's devices. And Samsung still doesn't follow Android's storage model for slotted memory cards, so it's less useful.

    none of Samsung's smart watches are waterproof, as it]s Apple's, which works down to 50 meters. Funny you missed that.

    apple's innovations in SoC design also kills Samsung's own product which is so slow, they have to go to Qualcomm for the North American markets, where speed is an issue, as their own Exnos chips are second rate.

    any other garbage you want to bring up here?
    haarSoliStrangeDaysroundaboutnowSpamSandwich
  • Reply 47 of 67
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,969member

    avon b7 said:
    Soli said:
     I would like to see Samsung churn out new technologies when they will not have anything to copy from Apple as Apple won't be sourcing anything from them in the future!


    Like the below, right?

    1. Super Amoled display in Samsung Galaxy Nexus in 2011, copied from iphone 8/X in 2017

    2. Large screen display in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iphone 6 in 2015

    3. Stylus support in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iPad Pro in 2015

    4. Split screen multitasking in Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition (released in Nov-2013), copied from iOS 9 in 2015

    5. Waterproofing in Samsung Galaxy S5 in Mar-2014, copied from iphone 7 in Sep-2016 (instead of Sony Xperia Z from Jan-2013)

    6. UFS internal storage in Samsung Galaxy S6 in Jan-2015, copied from iphone 6S in Sep-2015

    7. Dual Pixel camera sensor in Samsung Galaxy S7, copied from yet to be released iphone

    8. UFS card slot in Samsung Galaxy S8, copied from yet to be released iphone

    1) So AMOLED is an innovation for CE that only Samsung can use otherwise it's copying? Does that mean using LCD or even a keyboard on a notebook means Samsung is copying Apple because Apple used it long before Samsung was making laptops? Of course you wouldn't think that so stop making stupid comments.

    2) Now a larger display is a Samsung invention? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds?

    3) If you're going to say that the iPad copied a smartphone then you have to go back to point two and say that the 2010 iPad came before he 2012 Note so that means that Samsung copied Apple's iPad on the Note. Again, you wouldn't say that either, because it sounds stupid.

    4) You really have no concept of what adding a feature is v stealing IP is, do you?

    5) Ah, the Galaxy S5 that had a door over the USB port when you wanted it to be waterproof and even then it failed miserably with many tests. Even now, Apple user promises and overdelivers with their waterproofing claims, and that's comparing to new Samsung devices.




    6) The last three too ridiculous to even consider trying to respond, but I hope that one day you understand the difference between saying you have a feature so you can put it on a spec sheet and actually taking the time to engineer HW and SW to make an excellent experience for the user. For rational people who care about technology, that makes all the difference.
    His comment was fine in the context of the post he was referring to.

    There are far too many people that just repeat 'Samsung copied' this or that 'from Apple' without even the slightest care for reality.

    When reality is pointed out, those same people simply change track and throw the 'but Aple fully bakes its products before release' line which is as  equally untrue as the original claim.

    The true reality, minus distortion field, is that this is a pendulum that swings both ways and if you only look at it when it's in one direction you are on shaky ground if you start making copycat claims you will likely get shot down.

    Samsung has brought far more to the consumer and professional markets than Apple ever will simply because Samsung is a sprawling conglomerate that makes untold kinds of devices. Technology from some devices will logically seep into others.

    At some point there will be greater  (and more secure) convergence of those devices and it will no doubt be another new selling point for them. The same applies to LG. It's one of their strong points. All Apple can do if it doesn't want to make microwave ovens, 3D glasses, TVs, washing machines, components or whatever, is provide platforms (Apple Pay, the various xxxkits, etc) and hope people build for them and/or they are allowed into the other 'gardens' when competing platforms take hold.

    While they have their own multi million user base and cash in the bank, the short term looks rosy. I don't know what lies beyond the next major iPhone update but I do know that if someone does AI right, it will be difficult to compete with if they have a complete platform to integrate with.

    But to say Samsung just copies is woefully short sighted.


    It's interesting that in 31 lawsuits around the world between Apple and Samsung, Apple has won 28. Two of those losses, unsurprisingly, were in S Korea, though Apple did win one there, which shocked that country. Samsung is also one of the most sued companies over copying other's technologies.

    its interesting that while Samsung copied Apple's "dress" patents, guess who has the most dress patents? If you guessed Samsung, you would be right. And guess who is the most often sued for stealing other's dress patents designs? If you again guessed Samsung, you get the prize.

    you really don't know what you're talking about.
    StrangeDaysbrucemcroundaboutnowSpamSandwich
  • Reply 48 of 67
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,969member
    iushnt1 said:
    Samsung earns more from selling Apple complnents than their own mobile devices. Maybe they should not have copied Apple from the start. Apple has on more than one occation supplied component manufacturers with the complete production line in return for exclusivity, if Samsung did not do what they did, maybe Apple would give them the IP and ecuipmenr for making the screens they need.
    So you really think Samsung needs IP and equipment for making displays?
    That's an interesting question. Apple doesn't not give equipment to anyone. What they do is to buy the equipment themselves, often modifying it for their purposes. They then exchange the equipment for a lower price, and guaranteed supply, on the components manufactured on that equipment. It's been said that on occasion that applied to Samsung as well.
    brucemc
  • Reply 49 of 67
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,969member

    iushnt1 said:
    avon b7 said:
    Soli said:
     I would like to see Samsung churn out new technologies when they will not have anything to copy from Apple as Apple won't be sourcing anything from them in the future!


    Like the below, right?

    1. Super Amoled display in Samsung Galaxy Nexus in 2011, copied from iphone 8/X in 2017

    2. Large screen display in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iphone 6 in 2015

    3. Stylus support in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iPad Pro in 2015

    4. Split screen multitasking in Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition (released in Nov-2013), copied from iOS 9 in 2015

    5. Waterproofing in Samsung Galaxy S5 in Mar-2014, copied from iphone 7 in Sep-2016 (instead of Sony Xperia Z from Jan-2013)

    6. UFS internal storage in Samsung Galaxy S6 in Jan-2015, copied from iphone 6S in Sep-2015

    7. Dual Pixel camera sensor in Samsung Galaxy S7, copied from yet to be released iphone

    8. UFS card slot in Samsung Galaxy S8, copied from yet to be released iphone

    1) So AMOLED is an innovation for CE that only Samsung can use otherwise it's copying? Does that mean using LCD or even a keyboard on a notebook means Samsung is copying Apple because Apple used it long before Samsung was making laptops? Of course you wouldn't think that so stop making stupid comments.

    2) Now a larger display is a Samsung invention? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds?

    3) If you're going to say that the iPad copied a smartphone then you have to go back to point two and say that the 2010 iPad came before he 2012 Note so that means that Samsung copied Apple's iPad on the Note. Again, you wouldn't say that either, because it sounds stupid.

    4) You really have no concept of what adding a feature is v stealing IP is, do you?

    5) Ah, the Galaxy S5 that had a door over the USB port when you wanted it to be waterproof and even then it failed miserably with many tests. Even now, Apple user promises and overdelivers with their waterproofing claims, and that's comparing to new Samsung devices.




    6) The last three too ridiculous to even consider trying to respond, but I hope that one day you understand the difference between saying you have a feature so you can put it on a spec sheet and actually taking the time to engineer HW and SW to make an excellent experience for the user. For rational people who care about technology, that makes all the difference.
    His comment was fine in the context of the post he was referring to.

    There are far too many people that just repeat 'Samsung copied' this or that 'from Apple' without even the slightest care for reality.

    When reality is pointed out, those same people simply change track and throw the 'but Aple fully bakes its products before release' line which is as  equally untrue as the original claim.

    The true reality, minus distortion field, is that this is a pendulum that swings both ways and if you only look at it when it's in one direction you are on shaky ground if you start making copycat claims you will likely get shot down.

    Samsung has brought far more to the consumer and professional markets than Apple ever will simply because Samsung is a sprawling conglomerate that makes untold kinds of devices. Technology from some devices will logically seep into others.

    At some point there will be greater  (and more secure) convergence of those devices and it will no doubt be another new selling point for them. The same applies to LG. It's one of their strong points. All Apple can do if it doesn't want to make microwave ovens, 3D glasses, TVs, washing machines, components or whatever, is provide platforms (Apple Pay, the various xxxkits, etc) and hope people build for them and/or they are allowed into the other 'gardens' when competing platforms take hold.

    While they have their own multi million user base and cash in the bank, the short term looks rosy. I don't know what lies beyond the next major iPhone update but I do know that if someone does AI right, it will be difficult to compete with if they have a complete platform to integrate with.

    But to say Samsung just copies is woefully short sighted.


    This post makes great sense. The hypocrisy among fanboys are seen in great extent here. As if no one else but Apple innovates.
    The post makes sense, but it's wrong.
    edited April 2017 brucemcroundaboutnowSpamSandwich
  • Reply 50 of 67
    haarhaar Posts: 563member
    thank-you for the link... 

    and my wish...

     makes me think that Sony will be releasing a "4k" Vr headset in 2019 (who needs a 3840x2160 iphone?... nobody. BUT if it is used as a VR display replacing the display in the current Psvr, AMAZING)

    And IMO . After the ps5 is released (if the ps5 can do 120fps/2kx2k vr headset resolution (what i wish for)  it could do 4k/60. (A 3.2 ryzen cpu is about 2x faster than a ps4pro cpu all thing considered IMO)


  • Reply 51 of 67
    Kevin KJLKevin KJL Posts: 2unconfirmed, member
    I think the best reason the Micro LED will be on the Apple Watch first is the ability to have an always on screen. So your Apple Watch will actually be a view-able all the time without having to flick your wrist to check the time. Think color e-ink with the contrast, brightness, and color saturation of OLED. That is why it will be so disruptive.
  • Reply 52 of 67
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,969member

    Why would those other display-making companies be worried? It's not as though Apple is going to become a supplier for other smartphone manufacturers. As it is, the iPhone market share percentage is rather tiny compared to all the other Android smartphones being produced on this planet. Wall Street is always poking fun over the iPhone's continually shrinking market share so apparently there isn't much for other smartphone companies to concern themselves about. By the time Apple comes to market with some microLED product I'm sure Samsung will have already figured out how to build their own microLED displays in record numbers. There isn't anything Samsung can't reverse-engineer to copy or do whatever needs to be done. It seems as though Apple is never able to patent some component or technology that another company can't copy.

    Apple really does need to get away from having to rely on Samsung for components but it may not be very easy to do. Samsung definitely makes fine displays and memory components. Samsung likely spent a lot of money building their own infrastructure for components.
    Apple is the world's largest buyer of electronic parts, as well as cases and other materials. In a number of areas, they are the largest buyer of these parts from some of the largest suppliers of these parts. For example, when Samsung was making all of Apple's SoC in their large plant in Texas, Apple was over 40% of all the SoCs they made anywhere. After Apple left, Samsung was scrambling to find replacement customers. Their SoC production is still below what it was three years ago. Apple is also the world's largest memory buyer, in both RAM and NAND. The largest buyer of circuit boards, modems, and other chips.

    they buy over 230 million screens for iPhones, another 45 million for iPads, and about 20 million more for Apple Watches. These are all flagship screens.

    these companies are concerned because if Apple does decide to have their own manufacturing plant for displays, then they will lose quite a few billion in sales and profits. In their last earnings call, and on stage, Cook stated that in 2016, Apple bought more than $50 billion in parts manufactured in the USA alone. There are tens of billions bought from overseas suppliers too.

    it also needs to be understood that Apple buys top of the line parts. The most reliable and the highest performance. You can read The Microprocessor Report, and other industry publications to confirm that for yourself. These also happen to be the most profitable parts for the manufacturers. Selling 300 million $10 displays doesn't earn them much, but selling 100 million $50 displays does. Apple's memory is also more than twice as fast as anything used in any other phone. That's more expensive too. The same thing is true in a number of other areas.
    edited April 2017 brucemcSpamSandwich
  • Reply 53 of 67
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 31,969member
    Another reason why app,e want to design their own parts, and maybe even go it alone  which would be a major shift in philosophy for them.

    http://www.macworld.com/article/3126154/hardware/iphone-8-rumors.html
  • Reply 54 of 67
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 8,778member
     I would like to see Samsung churn out new technologies when they will not have anything to copy from Apple as Apple won't be sourcing anything from them in the future!


    Like the below, right?

    1. Super Amoled display in Samsung Galaxy Nexus in 2011, copied from iphone 8/X in 2017

    2. Large screen display in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iphone 6 in 2015

    3. Stylus support in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iPad Pro in 2015

    4. Split screen multitasking in Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition (released in Nov-2013), copied from iOS 9 in 2015

    5. Waterproofing in Samsung Galaxy S5 in Mar-2014, copied from iphone 7 in Sep-2016 (instead of Sony Xperia Z from Jan-2013)

    6. UFS internal storage in Samsung Galaxy S6 in Jan-2015, copied from iphone 6S in Sep-2015

    7. Dual Pixel camera sensor in Samsung Galaxy S7, copied from yet to be released iphone

    8. UFS card slot in Samsung Galaxy S8, copied from yet to be released iphone

    look, we've got another one. 
  • Reply 55 of 67
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 8,778member
    avon b7 said:
    Soli said:
     I would like to see Samsung churn out new technologies when they will not have anything to copy from Apple as Apple won't be sourcing anything from them in the future!


    Like the below, right?

    1. Super Amoled display in Samsung Galaxy Nexus in 2011, copied from iphone 8/X in 2017

    2. Large screen display in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iphone 6 in 2015

    3. Stylus support in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iPad Pro in 2015

    4. Split screen multitasking in Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition (released in Nov-2013), copied from iOS 9 in 2015

    5. Waterproofing in Samsung Galaxy S5 in Mar-2014, copied from iphone 7 in Sep-2016 (instead of Sony Xperia Z from Jan-2013)

    6. UFS internal storage in Samsung Galaxy S6 in Jan-2015, copied from iphone 6S in Sep-2015

    7. Dual Pixel camera sensor in Samsung Galaxy S7, copied from yet to be released iphone

    8. UFS card slot in Samsung Galaxy S8, copied from yet to be released iphone

    1) So AMOLED is an innovation for CE that only Samsung can use otherwise it's copying? Does that mean using LCD or even a keyboard on a notebook means Samsung is copying Apple because Apple used it long before Samsung was making laptops? Of course you wouldn't think that so stop making stupid comments.

    2) Now a larger display is a Samsung invention? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds?

    3) If you're going to say that the iPad copied a smartphone then you have to go back to point two and say that the 2010 iPad came before he 2012 Note so that means that Samsung copied Apple's iPad on the Note. Again, you wouldn't say that either, because it sounds stupid.

    4) You really have no concept of what adding a feature is v stealing IP is, do you?

    5) Ah, the Galaxy S5 that had a door over the USB port when you wanted it to be waterproof and even then it failed miserably with many tests. Even now, Apple user promises and overdelivers with their waterproofing claims, and that's comparing to new Samsung devices.




    6) The last three too ridiculous to even consider trying to respond, but I hope that one day you understand the difference between saying you have a feature so you can put it on a spec sheet and actually taking the time to engineer HW and SW to make an excellent experience for the user. For rational people who care about technology, that makes all the difference.
    Samsung has brought far more to the consumer and professional markets than Apple ever will simply because Samsung is a sprawling conglomerate that makes untold kinds of devices. Technology from some devices will logically seep into others.
    I know you're a knockoff apologist who's purpose here is to criticize apple, but this is pure nonsense. Apple has been delivering to the CE space for 40 years, and their contributions have been far more impactful than Samsung. troll harder. 
    brucemc
  • Reply 56 of 67
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,615member
    Kevin KJL said:
    I think the best reason the Micro LED will be on the Apple Watch first is the ability to have an always on screen. So your Apple Watch will actually be a view-able all the time without having to flick your wrist to check the time. Think color e-ink with the contrast, brightness, and color saturation of OLED. That is why it will be so disruptive.
    If the watch can be always on, that would be huge. I really hate the wrist-flick. It is slow, and it needs to be exaggerated. I naturally just glance down and turn my wrist slightly and this never works.Flapping my arm about when I am driving my motorbike, or walking my dogs or whatever is just not possible. 
  • Reply 57 of 67
    r00fus1r00fus1 Posts: 65member
    First a quick listen (Echo), then a peek (Look), then it'll be a full-on panopticon. Beware Google, you're being out creeped by Amazon.
    What is the power draw of a microLED compared to an OLED of the same dimensions?
    Amazing what one can find on Wikipedia   ;)  :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroLED
    From wikipedia

    mLED displays offer far greater contrast, much faster response times, and would use less energy.

  • Reply 58 of 67
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 4,291member
    avon b7 said:
    Soli said:
     I would like to see Samsung churn out new technologies when they will not have anything to copy from Apple as Apple won't be sourcing anything from them in the future!


    Like the below, right?

    1. Super Amoled display in Samsung Galaxy Nexus in 2011, copied from iphone 8/X in 2017

    2. Large screen display in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iphone 6 in 2015

    3. Stylus support in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iPad Pro in 2015

    4. Split screen multitasking in Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition (released in Nov-2013), copied from iOS 9 in 2015

    5. Waterproofing in Samsung Galaxy S5 in Mar-2014, copied from iphone 7 in Sep-2016 (instead of Sony Xperia Z from Jan-2013)

    6. UFS internal storage in Samsung Galaxy S6 in Jan-2015, copied from iphone 6S in Sep-2015

    7. Dual Pixel camera sensor in Samsung Galaxy S7, copied from yet to be released iphone

    8. UFS card slot in Samsung Galaxy S8, copied from yet to be released iphone

    1) So AMOLED is an innovation for CE that only Samsung can use otherwise it's copying? Does that mean using LCD or even a keyboard on a notebook means Samsung is copying Apple because Apple used it long before Samsung was making laptops? Of course you wouldn't think that so stop making stupid comments.

    2) Now a larger display is a Samsung invention? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds?

    3) If you're going to say that the iPad copied a smartphone then you have to go back to point two and say that the 2010 iPad came before he 2012 Note so that means that Samsung copied Apple's iPad on the Note. Again, you wouldn't say that either, because it sounds stupid.

    4) You really have no concept of what adding a feature is v stealing IP is, do you?

    5) Ah, the Galaxy S5 that had a door over the USB port when you wanted it to be waterproof and even then it failed miserably with many tests. Even now, Apple user promises and overdelivers with their waterproofing claims, and that's comparing to new Samsung devices.




    6) The last three too ridiculous to even consider trying to respond, but I hope that one day you understand the difference between saying you have a feature so you can put it on a spec sheet and actually taking the time to engineer HW and SW to make an excellent experience for the user. For rational people who care about technology, that makes all the difference.
    Samsung has brought far more to the consumer and professional markets than Apple ever will simply because Samsung is a sprawling conglomerate that makes untold kinds of devices. Technology from some devices will logically seep into others.
    I know you're a knockoff apologist who's purpose here is to criticize apple, but this is pure nonsense. Apple has been delivering to the CE space for 40 years, and their contributions have been far more impactful than Samsung. troll harder. 
    I'm sure you couldn't write that with a straight face. And if you really believe what you are saying, you really need to think things through a bit harder.
    brucemc
  • Reply 59 of 67
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    avon b7 said:
    Soli said:
     I would like to see Samsung churn out new technologies when they will not have anything to copy from Apple as Apple won't be sourcing anything from them in the future!


    Like the below, right?

    1. Super Amoled display in Samsung Galaxy Nexus in 2011, copied from iphone 8/X in 2017

    2. Large screen display in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iphone 6 in 2015

    3. Stylus support in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iPad Pro in 2015

    4. Split screen multitasking in Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition (released in Nov-2013), copied from iOS 9 in 2015

    5. Waterproofing in Samsung Galaxy S5 in Mar-2014, copied from iphone 7 in Sep-2016 (instead of Sony Xperia Z from Jan-2013)

    6. UFS internal storage in Samsung Galaxy S6 in Jan-2015, copied from iphone 6S in Sep-2015

    7. Dual Pixel camera sensor in Samsung Galaxy S7, copied from yet to be released iphone

    8. UFS card slot in Samsung Galaxy S8, copied from yet to be released iphone

    1) So AMOLED is an innovation for CE that only Samsung can use otherwise it's copying? Does that mean using LCD or even a keyboard on a notebook means Samsung is copying Apple because Apple used it long before Samsung was making laptops? Of course you wouldn't think that so stop making stupid comments.

    2) Now a larger display is a Samsung invention? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds?

    3) If you're going to say that the iPad copied a smartphone then you have to go back to point two and say that the 2010 iPad came before he 2012 Note so that means that Samsung copied Apple's iPad on the Note. Again, you wouldn't say that either, because it sounds stupid.

    4) You really have no concept of what adding a feature is v stealing IP is, do you?

    5) Ah, the Galaxy S5 that had a door over the USB port when you wanted it to be waterproof and even then it failed miserably with many tests. Even now, Apple user promises and overdelivers with their waterproofing claims, and that's comparing to new Samsung devices.




    6) The last three too ridiculous to even consider trying to respond, but I hope that one day you understand the difference between saying you have a feature so you can put it on a spec sheet and actually taking the time to engineer HW and SW to make an excellent experience for the user. For rational people who care about technology, that makes all the difference.
    His comment was fine in the context of the post he was referring to.

    There are far too many people that just repeat 'Samsung copied' this or that 'from Apple' without even the slightest care for reality.

    When reality is pointed out, those same people simply change track and throw the 'but Aple fully bakes its products before release' line which is as  equally untrue as the original claim.

    The true reality, minus distortion field, is that this is a pendulum that swings both ways and if you only look at it when it's in one direction you are on shaky ground if you start making copycat claims you will likely get shot down.

    Samsung has brought far more to the consumer and professional markets than Apple ever will simply because Samsung is a sprawling conglomerate that makes untold kinds of devices. Technology from some devices will logically seep into others.

    At some point there will be greater  (and more secure) convergence of those devices and it will no doubt be another new selling point for them. The same applies to LG. It's one of their strong points. All Apple can do if it doesn't want to make microwave ovens, 3D glasses, TVs, washing machines, components or whatever, is provide platforms (Apple Pay, the various xxxkits, etc) and hope people build for them and/or they are allowed into the other 'gardens' when competing platforms take hold.

    While they have their own multi million user base and cash in the bank, the short term looks rosy. I don't know what lies beyond the next major iPhone update but I do know that if someone does AI right, it will be difficult to compete with if they have a complete platform to integrate with.

    But to say Samsung just copies is woefully short sighted.


    Why the hell do you even post here, seriously, every single fracking posts from you is the same spiel.
    You didn't make your point by the way and neither did the guy your commenting about: Half baked, like Samsung.
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    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 4,291member
    melgross said:

    avon b7 said:
    Soli said:
     I would like to see Samsung churn out new technologies when they will not have anything to copy from Apple as Apple won't be sourcing anything from them in the future!


    Like the below, right?

    1. Super Amoled display in Samsung Galaxy Nexus in 2011, copied from iphone 8/X in 2017

    2. Large screen display in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iphone 6 in 2015

    3. Stylus support in Samsung Galaxy Note in Jan-2012, copied from iPad Pro in 2015

    4. Split screen multitasking in Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition (released in Nov-2013), copied from iOS 9 in 2015

    5. Waterproofing in Samsung Galaxy S5 in Mar-2014, copied from iphone 7 in Sep-2016 (instead of Sony Xperia Z from Jan-2013)

    6. UFS internal storage in Samsung Galaxy S6 in Jan-2015, copied from iphone 6S in Sep-2015

    7. Dual Pixel camera sensor in Samsung Galaxy S7, copied from yet to be released iphone

    8. UFS card slot in Samsung Galaxy S8, copied from yet to be released iphone

    1) So AMOLED is an innovation for CE that only Samsung can use otherwise it's copying? Does that mean using LCD or even a keyboard on a notebook means Samsung is copying Apple because Apple used it long before Samsung was making laptops? Of course you wouldn't think that so stop making stupid comments.

    2) Now a larger display is a Samsung invention? Do you not realize how stupid that sounds?

    3) If you're going to say that the iPad copied a smartphone then you have to go back to point two and say that the 2010 iPad came before he 2012 Note so that means that Samsung copied Apple's iPad on the Note. Again, you wouldn't say that either, because it sounds stupid.

    4) You really have no concept of what adding a feature is v stealing IP is, do you?

    5) Ah, the Galaxy S5 that had a door over the USB port when you wanted it to be waterproof and even then it failed miserably with many tests. Even now, Apple user promises and overdelivers with their waterproofing claims, and that's comparing to new Samsung devices.




    6) The last three too ridiculous to even consider trying to respond, but I hope that one day you understand the difference between saying you have a feature so you can put it on a spec sheet and actually taking the time to engineer HW and SW to make an excellent experience for the user. For rational people who care about technology, that makes all the difference.
    His comment was fine in the context of the post he was referring to.

    There are far too many people that just repeat 'Samsung copied' this or that 'from Apple' without even the slightest care for reality.

    When reality is pointed out, those same people simply change track and throw the 'but Aple fully bakes its products before release' line which is as  equally untrue as the original claim.

    The true reality, minus distortion field, is that this is a pendulum that swings both ways and if you only look at it when it's in one direction you are on shaky ground if you start making copycat claims you will likely get shot down.

    Samsung has brought far more to the consumer and professional markets than Apple ever will simply because Samsung is a sprawling conglomerate that makes untold kinds of devices. Technology from some devices will logically seep into others.

    At some point there will be greater  (and more secure) convergence of those devices and it will no doubt be another new selling point for them. The same applies to LG. It's one of their strong points. All Apple can do if it doesn't want to make microwave ovens, 3D glasses, TVs, washing machines, components or whatever, is provide platforms (Apple Pay, the various xxxkits, etc) and hope people build for them and/or they are allowed into the other 'gardens' when competing platforms take hold.

    While they have their own multi million user base and cash in the bank, the short term looks rosy. I don't know what lies beyond the next major iPhone update but I do know that if someone does AI right, it will be difficult to compete with if they have a complete platform to integrate with.

    But to say Samsung just copies is woefully short sighted.


    It's interesting that in 31 lawsuits around the world between Apple and Samsung, Apple has won 28. Two of those losses, unsurprisingly, were in S Korea, though Apple did win one there, which shocked that country. Samsung is also one of the most sued companies over copying other's technologies.

    its interesting that while Samsung copied Apple's "dress" patents, guess who has the most dress patents? If you guessed Samsung, you would be right. And guess who is the most often sued for stealing other's dress patents designs? If you again guessed Samsung, you get the prize.

    you really don't know what you're talking about.
    You need to re-read my post. The context is clear. You are seeing the pendulum in only one position.

    Patent lawsuits are typically made up of  varying patent issues. If you look into many of them you will find that the courts supported Apple on some, and Samsung on others, whereas in others, the court may to decide to throw all the claims out. But does it really matter? Nope. 

    Of course, in the context of these comments on this thread your reply has very little to do with the original point. A point that was clearly laid out.
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