Samsung's 5 million Galaxy S8 sales far below 2014's S4 peak

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  • Reply 21 of 61
    geekdad said:
    bb-15 said:
    Muntz said:
    kevin kee said:
    Typical DeD article.
    Well if you want lies and Samsung coddling go and read : http://bgr.com/2017/05/16/galaxy-s8-sales-figures/ or http://mashable.com/2017/05/16/galaxy-s8-sales-5-million/#2TXfyrCj7Pqj or any websites you can find when you google Samsung Galaxy S8 - they all love Samsung new hot sales (imagine if it was Apple, they would shred it apart). Only AI tells the fact, 5 Million is 5 Million, but even that you can't accept the truth. 
    They're not paid to accept this truth. This site is rife with paid marketers. 
    Either shipped / sales numbers are accurate or not.

    From CNET posted in January 31, 2017;
    "Apple sold more iPhones than ever before -- 78.3 million"

    If Apple sells more flagship phones than Samsung, then that's just the way it is. 
    But they don't sell more than Samsung...


    http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS42507917
    The bulk of Samsung's sales come from it's cheaper phones that it makes almost no money off of. In those markets they compete with cheap Chinese and Indian phone makers, not with Apple.
    tycho_macuserbb-15watto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 61
    The Galaxy S8 is a relatively expensive high-end smartphone and I suspect that consumers are not going to be upgrading their smartphones each and every year if their older smartphones are serving them well enough.  Besides, Samsung has plenty of competition from other Android manufacturers who are willing to undercut Samsung's products in terms of pricing.  I think the most any smartphone manufacturer can expect is basically flat year-to-year sales.  All the new smartphone purchasers seem to come from poverty-class countries which are certainly going to hurt high-end smartphone sales.  Apple's iPhone has its work cut out for it.  Apple needs to build a loyal customer base and hope those users will return every couple of years to upgrade to new iPhones.  Meanwhile, Apple can take advantage of that loyal customer base in terms of revenue from services.  I don't foresee Apple finding any way of significantly boosting iPhone sales with the smartphone market so glutted.  Even the average flagship smartphone should meet users' expectations where they don't need to have the best of the best smartphone every year.

    I'll be happy if Apple can maintain basically flat year-to-year sales.  iPhone yearly sales gains are almost too much to hope for.  I don't have a clue what new features would entice consumers to drop cheap Android smartphones and switch to iPhones.  I think it would take a miracle.
    geekdad
  • Reply 23 of 61
    For reference:

    Galaxy S2 hit 10 million in 5 months.
    Galaxy S3 hit 10 million in 55 days.
    Note 3 hit 10 million in 60 days.
    Galaxy S4 hit 10 million in 29 days.

    This is the last time Samsung ever reported sales figures for any of their devices. Samsung has a web page called the "10 Million Club" which lists all devices that hit that milestone. Hasn't been updated in some time.

    https://news.samsung.com/global/history-of-samsung-mobile-phones-10-million-seller-club

    With the current smartphone market as glutted as it is, there's not much possibility any company can see significant yearly gains in unit sales. There simply isn't as many new smartphone users to go around as there were years ago.
    geekdadavon b7watto_cobrarogifan_new
  • Reply 24 of 61
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member
    geekdad said:
    lkrupp said:
    geekdad said:
    bb-15 said:
    Muntz said:
    kevin kee said:
    Typical DeD article.
    Well if you want lies and Samsung coddling go and read : http://bgr.com/2017/05/16/galaxy-s8-sales-figures/ or http://mashable.com/2017/05/16/galaxy-s8-sales-5-million/#2TXfyrCj7Pqj or any websites you can find when you google Samsung Galaxy S8 - they all love Samsung new hot sales (imagine if it was Apple, they would shred it apart). Only AI tells the fact, 5 Million is 5 Million, but even that you can't accept the truth. 
    They're not paid to accept this truth. This site is rife with paid marketers. 
    Either shipped / sales numbers are accurate or not.

    From CNET posted in January 31, 2017;
    "Apple sold more iPhones than ever before -- 78.3 million"

    If Apple sells more flagship phones than Samsung, then that's just the way it is. 
    But they don't sell more than Samsung...


    http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS42507917
    FLAGSHIP phones, troll. Most of Samsung’s sales are cheap throw away freebees.
    ahhh...name calling...always a last defense. Then those iphones sales are also iphones 6, 6s SE and all previous models as well.
    Those stats for Apple aren't previous models. Apple is only selling the 7, 6s, and SE. Most of Samsung phone sales are the cheap models. 
    But they are still sales...why restrict the expensive phones from the cheaper phones? Sales are sales....
  • Reply 25 of 61
    geekdadgeekdad Posts: 1,131member
    geekdad said:
    bb-15 said:
    Muntz said:
    kevin kee said:
    Typical DeD article.
    Well if you want lies and Samsung coddling go and read : http://bgr.com/2017/05/16/galaxy-s8-sales-figures/ or http://mashable.com/2017/05/16/galaxy-s8-sales-5-million/#2TXfyrCj7Pqj or any websites you can find when you google Samsung Galaxy S8 - they all love Samsung new hot sales (imagine if it was Apple, they would shred it apart). Only AI tells the fact, 5 Million is 5 Million, but even that you can't accept the truth. 
    They're not paid to accept this truth. This site is rife with paid marketers. 
    Either shipped / sales numbers are accurate or not.

    From CNET posted in January 31, 2017;
    "Apple sold more iPhones than ever before -- 78.3 million"

    If Apple sells more flagship phones than Samsung, then that's just the way it is. 
    But they don't sell more than Samsung...


    http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS42507917
    that's shipment though. not actual sales.
    and shipped equals sales...they aren't coming back...they will be sold....for all OEMs.
  • Reply 26 of 61
    bb-15bb-15 Posts: 283member
    geekdad said:
    lkrupp said:
    geekdad said:
    bb-15 said:
    Muntz said:
    kevin kee said:
    Typical DeD article.
    Well if you want lies and Samsung coddling go and read : http://bgr.com/2017/05/16/galaxy-s8-sales-figures/ or http://mashable.com/2017/05/16/galaxy-s8-sales-5-million/#2TXfyrCj7Pqj or any websites you can find when you google Samsung Galaxy S8 - they all love Samsung new hot sales (imagine if it was Apple, they would shred it apart). Only AI tells the fact, 5 Million is 5 Million, but even that you can't accept the truth. 
    They're not paid to accept this truth. This site is rife with paid marketers. 
    Either shipped / sales numbers are accurate or not.

    From CNET posted in January 31, 2017;
    "Apple sold more iPhones than ever before -- 78.3 million"

    If Apple sells more flagship phones than Samsung, then that's just the way it is. 
    But they don't sell more than Samsung...


    http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS42507917
    FLAGSHIP phones, troll. Most of Samsung’s sales are cheap throw away freebees.
    ahhh...name calling...always a last defense. Then those iphones sales are also iphones 6, 6s SE and all previous models as well.
    Those stats for Apple aren't previous models. Apple is only selling the 7, 6s, and SE. Most of Samsung phone sales are the cheap models. 
    Yes. The iPhone 7 and 6S are flagship level phones. Check out some phone speed tests on YouTube (such as by PhoneBuff).
    These iPhones are very fast beating almost all the Android competition. 
    As for the SE, for a phone with a 4 inch to 4.3 inch screen, no other phone is as powerful as the iPhone SE. 
    watto_cobranetmage
  • Reply 27 of 61
    bb-15bb-15 Posts: 283member
    geekdad said:
    lkrupp said:
    geekdad said:
    bb-15 said:
    Either shipped / sales numbers are accurate or not.

    From CNET posted in January 31, 2017;
    "Apple sold more iPhones than ever before -- 78.3 million"

    If Apple sells more flagship phones than Samsung, then that's just the way it is. 
    But they don't sell more than Samsung...


    http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS42507917
    FLAGSHIP phones, troll. Most of Samsung’s sales are cheap throw away freebees.
    ahhh...name calling...always a last defense. Then those iphones sales are also iphones 6, 6s SE and all previous models as well.
    Those stats for Apple aren't previous models. Apple is only selling the 7, 6s, and SE. Most of Samsung phone sales are the cheap models. 
    Yes. The iPhone 6S and 7 are flagship phones. Check out the speed tests on YouTube (such as by PhoneBuff).
    The latest iPhones are faster than almost all Android competition. 
    As for the SE, compared to phones with 4 to 4.3 inch screens, the iPhone SE is the most powerful phone available. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 61
    ericthehalfbeeericthehalfbee Posts: 4,394member
    geekdad said:
    geekdad said:
    lkrupp said:
    geekdad said:
    bb-15 said:
    Muntz said:
    kevin kee said:
    Typical DeD article.
    Well if you want lies and Samsung coddling go and read : http://bgr.com/2017/05/16/galaxy-s8-sales-figures/ or http://mashable.com/2017/05/16/galaxy-s8-sales-5-million/#2TXfyrCj7Pqj or any websites you can find when you google Samsung Galaxy S8 - they all love Samsung new hot sales (imagine if it was Apple, they would shred it apart). Only AI tells the fact, 5 Million is 5 Million, but even that you can't accept the truth. 
    They're not paid to accept this truth. This site is rife with paid marketers. 
    Either shipped / sales numbers are accurate or not.

    From CNET posted in January 31, 2017;
    "Apple sold more iPhones than ever before -- 78.3 million"

    If Apple sells more flagship phones than Samsung, then that's just the way it is. 
    But they don't sell more than Samsung...


    http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS42507917
    FLAGSHIP phones, troll. Most of Samsung’s sales are cheap throw away freebees.
    ahhh...name calling...always a last defense. Then those iphones sales are also iphones 6, 6s SE and all previous models as well.
    Those stats for Apple aren't previous models. Apple is only selling the 7, 6s, and SE. Most of Samsung phone sales are the cheap models. 
    But they are still sales...why restrict the expensive phones from the cheaper phones? Sales are sales....


    No they are not. Apple only sells high-end phones. Samsung sells mostly low-end phones and a small number of high-end phones. Apples lowest priced iPhone is 8X (yes 8 times) the price of Samsungs lowest priced phones.
    watto_cobranetmageStrangeDaysicoco3cali
  • Reply 29 of 61
    JonmatJonmat Posts: 24member
    geekdad said:
    Muntz said:
    geekdad said:
    For reference:

    Galaxy S2 hit 10 million in 5 months.
    Galaxy S3 hit 10 million in 55 days.
    Note 3 hit 10 million in 60 days.
    Galaxy S4 hit 10 million in 29 days.

    This is the last time Samsung ever reported sales figures for any of their devices. Samsung has a web page called the "10 Million Club" which lists all devices that hit that milestone. Hasn't been updated in some time.

    https://news.samsung.com/global/history-of-samsung-mobile-phones-10-million-seller-club

    Agreed..Samsung won't hit those milestones...maybe not again. But also the Android space has changed there are a LOT more OEMs making quality phones now. More competition......  iPhone sales are pretty flat right now too....
    http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS42507917
    What compels you to go to an Apple fan site and shit post? In 10 years I've never gone to a high traffic Android site and shit posted Apple data on their message boards in a sad attempt to change their opinions. Not once.
    wow...I posted up to date and accurate data to show how skewed the article is....Then I posted here because I have an iPhone 7 plus..AND Android phones. 
    Then I am not trying to change anyone's opinion....could care less. Just posted facts.....
    If you could, why don't you? 
  • Reply 30 of 61
    brucemcbrucemc Posts: 1,541member
    The Galaxy S8 is a relatively expensive high-end smartphone and I suspect that consumers are not going to be upgrading their smartphones each and every year if their older smartphones are serving them well enough.  Besides, Samsung has plenty of competition from other Android manufacturers who are willing to undercut Samsung's products in terms of pricing.  I think the most any smartphone manufacturer can expect is basically flat year-to-year sales.  All the new smartphone purchasers seem to come from poverty-class countries which are certainly going to hurt high-end smartphone sales.  Apple's iPhone has its work cut out for it.  Apple needs to build a loyal customer base and hope those users will return every couple of years to upgrade to new iPhones.  Meanwhile, Apple can take advantage of that loyal customer base in terms of revenue from services.  I don't foresee Apple finding any way of significantly boosting iPhone sales with the smartphone market so glutted.  Even the average flagship smartphone should meet users' expectations where they don't need to have the best of the best smartphone every year.
    ...
    Pretty sure that plan is already in progress for the last 10 years...
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 31 of 61
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 6,430member
    geekdad said:
    For reference:

    Galaxy S2 hit 10 million in 5 months.
    Galaxy S3 hit 10 million in 55 days.
    Note 3 hit 10 million in 60 days.
    Galaxy S4 hit 10 million in 29 days.

    This is the last time Samsung ever reported sales figures for any of their devices. Samsung has a web page called the "10 Million Club" which lists all devices that hit that milestone. Hasn't been updated in some time.

    https://news.samsung.com/global/history-of-samsung-mobile-phones-10-million-seller-club

    Agreed..Samsung won't hit those milestones...maybe not again. But also the Android space has changed there are a LOT more OEMs making quality phones now. More competition......  iPhone sales are pretty flat right now too....
    http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS42507917
    You are completely correct. The article was written to diss Samsung. That's basically the only reason it exists.

    The smartphone market has reached saturation point in the developed markets. The days of spectacular year on year growth are virtually gone in the Android world and possibly the iPhone world too. Perhaps the author is unaware of this. The next iPhone may buck the trend a little but unless Apple pushes deeper into the mid tier, beyond the next model, Apple will struggle to see major growth.

    Talking of 'peak' Galaxys is pretty much worthless, of course.

    The article supports its premise by harking back to a different age in smartphone history when, just like Apple today (in the iOS world), Samsung had no real flagship competition. All that has changed.

    Huawei alone snapped up over 100 million users in 2015 and increased that to around 130 million in 2016. A figure that Included around 10 million flagship P9 series phones.

    That's just from one manufacturer. In that light, the S8 numbers look very good. The pool of potential buyers is greatly reduced if compared to the same pool that the 'peak' Galaxy fished in. Time will tell how the S8 numbers finish up after a discounting period but given market conditions, they should be smiling from ear to ear as a result of volume shipments, knowing that the Note 8 is also in the pipe. Some posters here are also claiming that the rest of Samsung's phones are cheap throwaway phones. Not so. They have a huge mid tier offering that is also eating into their flagship line. That mid tier is doing very well and Samsung has been pushing it very, very hard due to intense competion in that space.

    It's worth noting that not even Huawei is likely to repeat the P9 feat for the same reasons Samsung hasn't.


    geekdad
  • Reply 32 of 61
    bestkeptsecretbestkeptsecret Posts: 4,180member
    avon b7 said:
    geekdad said:
    For reference:

    Galaxy S2 hit 10 million in 5 months.
    Galaxy S3 hit 10 million in 55 days.
    Note 3 hit 10 million in 60 days.
    Galaxy S4 hit 10 million in 29 days.

    This is the last time Samsung ever reported sales figures for any of their devices. Samsung has a web page called the "10 Million Club" which lists all devices that hit that milestone. Hasn't been updated in some time.

    https://news.samsung.com/global/history-of-samsung-mobile-phones-10-million-seller-club

    Agreed..Samsung won't hit those milestones...maybe not again. But also the Android space has changed there are a LOT more OEMs making quality phones now. More competition......  iPhone sales are pretty flat right now too....
    http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS42507917
    You are completely correct. The article was written to diss Samsung. That's basically the only reason it exists.



    You're saying that like it's a bad thing.

    Why the fuck do you even come to this website anyway?

    watto_cobrabrucemcpatchythepirateStrangeDayscali
  • Reply 33 of 61
    rotateleftbyterotateleftbyte Posts: 1,595member
    saltyzip said:
    Competition​ is healthy in the Android world, it seems even the core websites are suggesting people hold off and buy a OnePlus 5 over an S8. 

    Then of course there is the pixel and not too far off pixel 2, so Samsung just can't stand out enough from the crowd anymore.
    Yet...
    Over at 9to5google they are saying...
    https://9to5google.com/2017/05/16/samsung-galaxy-s8-sales-one-month/#disqus_thread

    Samsung’s Galaxy S8 is the company’s first major release since the disastrous Galaxy Note 7. Following that, many expected Samsung to have a tough time getting the phone into the hands of wary buyers, but it seems like the company isn’t having any trouble at all, with huge sales numbers just one month in.

    Huge sales?  Well, only time will tell if it lasts. Even my local carrier (in the UK) stores aren't pushing it like they did a couple of months ago. The only place I see it is in Tesco where it is usually wall to wall Samsung anyway.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 34 of 61
    DanielEranDanielEran Posts: 290editor
    avon b7 said:

    You are completely correct. The article was written to diss Samsung. That's basically the only reason it exists.

    The smartphone market has reached saturation point in the developed markets. The days of spectacular year on year growth are virtually gone in the Android world and possibly the iPhone world too. Perhaps the author is unaware of this. The next iPhone may buck the trend a little but unless Apple pushes deeper into the mid tier, beyond the next model, Apple will struggle to see major growth.

    Talking of 'peak' Galaxys is pretty much worthless, of course.

    The article supports its premise by harking back to a different age in smartphone history when, just like Apple today (in the iOS world), Samsung had no real flagship competition. All that has changed.

    Huawei alone snapped up over 100 million users in 2015 and increased that to around 130 million in 2016. A figure that Included around 10 million flagship P9 series phones.

    That's just from one manufacturer. In that light, the S8 numbers look very good. The pool of potential buyers is greatly reduced if compared to the same pool that the 'peak' Galaxy fished in. 
    What year did Samsung have no flagship competition? 2013, 2014? Stop making up alt-facts. There was more competition and more competitors then than now. 

    China grew dramatically, and Chinese domestic production grew to meet that. Apple grew there dramatically and Samsung basically fell off the table in China in 2015, but Samsung remains the largest phone producer globally, and Chinese producers have very limited sales in the US (the other major market).

    While you make excuses for Samsung's flagship sales falling since 2014, you seem to forget that iPhones have grown dramatically since then, all around the world and particularly in China. And despite slipping in the last two years, Apple still sells virtually all of the world's high end phones. Virtually all Android is sub $400.

    The point of the article is that Samsung came out and said it shipped a low number of phones and the media reported it like they'd never heard of numbers before. This supplies context. 

    Why are you so afraid of facts that you have to wildly spin a story of false ideas to cloud reality? Everything you post here is just delusional rubbish. 

    watto_cobrathedbabrucemcnetmagepatchythepirateStrangeDaysbb-15icoco3cali
  • Reply 35 of 61
    muzigaemuzigae Posts: 2member
    korean newspapers have reported that samsung sold more than 10 mil in 3 weeks.
  • Reply 36 of 61
    muzigaemuzigae Posts: 2member
    i mean more than 10 mil of g 8 in 3 weeks.
  • Reply 37 of 61
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    geekdad said:
    geekdad said:
    lkrupp said:
    geekdad said:
    bb-15 said:
    Muntz said:
    kevin kee said:
    Typical DeD article.
    Well if you want lies and Samsung coddling go and read : http://bgr.com/2017/05/16/galaxy-s8-sales-figures/ or http://mashable.com/2017/05/16/galaxy-s8-sales-5-million/#2TXfyrCj7Pqj or any websites you can find when you google Samsung Galaxy S8 - they all love Samsung new hot sales (imagine if it was Apple, they would shred it apart). Only AI tells the fact, 5 Million is 5 Million, but even that you can't accept the truth. 
    They're not paid to accept this truth. This site is rife with paid marketers. 
    Either shipped / sales numbers are accurate or not.

    From CNET posted in January 31, 2017;
    "Apple sold more iPhones than ever before -- 78.3 million"

    If Apple sells more flagship phones than Samsung, then that's just the way it is. 
    But they don't sell more than Samsung...


    http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS42507917
    FLAGSHIP phones, troll. Most of Samsung’s sales are cheap throw away freebees.
    ahhh...name calling...always a last defense. Then those iphones sales are also iphones 6, 6s SE and all previous models as well.
    Those stats for Apple aren't previous models. Apple is only selling the 7, 6s, and SE. Most of Samsung phone sales are the cheap models. 
    But they are still sales...why restrict the expensive phones from the cheaper phones? Sales are sales....
    No BUDDY, you don't move the goalpost in a discussion and then call it a win.
    Sales with next to ZERO PROFIT are useless and can only be sustained if your making money somewhere else...
    Selling commodity (which is what happens at the low end), requires huge marketing and distribution efforts to move huge amounts with very little profits.

    If I'm selling a low end Kia for $100 profits a car, it takes nearly 100 of them to equal the profits from a BMW M3. That's the situation Samsung is in.
    But, it's even worse, cause unlike the car market were the barrier to entry is so large it keeps people out of the low end,
    there are more than a half dozens of high profile emerging low cost makers in China.

    Considering Samsung makes very little money outside the hardware sales on the phones; only the fact they're a conglomerate are making money from the components keeps them going.

    As Chinese continue flooding the market, their sales volume at the low end are about to collapse.
    They have nothing to protect themselves from competing with this flood except boosting their already very large marketing budgets.

    Apple creams Samsung both on revenues and profits of mobile phone despite selling less units.
    watto_cobranetmageStrangeDaysbb-15
  • Reply 38 of 61
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    muzigae said:
    korean newspapers have reported that samsung sold more than 10 mil in 3 weeks.
    Right.... Lets believe them... They certainly shipped 10M, but very doubtful they sold them.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 39 of 61
    RedskyRedsky Posts: 1member
    ...it quite an experience seeing grown up people (i am assuming you are grown up) making some of the rediculous arguments. this artticle is flawed in so many ways that it doesnt even merit to be talked about. if you are going to diss samsung, first get your facts right: The S8 was released on April 21st and the last time I checked  the month is not over yet. Second, Samsung does make money out of its smart, its actually one of the few android OEM  actually making money out of their smartphones.  Of course  not incomparison to Apple but the fact is they still profit from their smartphones. 

    just a piece of advice, if you are going to make claims especially negative ones about someone get your facts right. 
    geekdadbrucemc
  • Reply 40 of 61
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 6,430member
    avon b7 said:
    geekdad said:
    For reference:

    Galaxy S2 hit 10 million in 5 months.
    Galaxy S3 hit 10 million in 55 days.
    Note 3 hit 10 million in 60 days.
    Galaxy S4 hit 10 million in 29 days.

    This is the last time Samsung ever reported sales figures for any of their devices. Samsung has a web page called the "10 Million Club" which lists all devices that hit that milestone. Hasn't been updated in some time.

    https://news.samsung.com/global/history-of-samsung-mobile-phones-10-million-seller-club

    Agreed..Samsung won't hit those milestones...maybe not again. But also the Android space has changed there are a LOT more OEMs making quality phones now. More competition......  iPhone sales are pretty flat right now too....
    http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS42507917
    You are completely correct. The article was written to diss Samsung. That's basically the only reason it exists.



    You're saying that like it's a bad thing.

    Why the fuck do you even come to this website anyway?

    I suppose the correct reply should be:

    "Why the fuck is this website even giving headline space to Samsung anyway?"

    Are you seriously wondering why people are commenting as a result?

    And no. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just pointing out a different perspective. Forgive me for thinking this was a discussion forum.
    singularitygeekdadbrucemccali
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