Andy Rubin's Essential announces first devices, including Apple HomeKit-ready assistant

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  • Reply 41 of 47
    avon b7 said:
    I love how he says Android has 85% market share and Apple only has 13% market share.

    That's hard to believe.

    He also says fragmentation is not bad on Android it's one of there strengths and Apple only hows latest iOS on 60% of there devices.

    Fragmentation on Android security is a joke.

    But no bloatware installed is nice to know for his phone.

    Be interesting to see how his new operating system is going to work, but if it uses Android, that will have concerns for a lot of people when it comes to security.

    A side from that, nice design. At least he defended Apple for dropping the ear phone jack, called it making progress. lol.

    The 85% vs. 13% figure may be correct, but the VAST majority of Android-using phones are far behind Apple's iOS in terms of them using the most recent version of their phone OS because Android runs on a far greater number of phones that cannot and will not ever be updated.
    Is it not equally true that those same users are more likely to upgrade faster than iOS users and therefore jump straight to the latest Android? Many people buy cheap with the idea from the outset to upgrade more frequently.
    But it is also cost a lot more in the the future for upgrades, unless your purchasing a pure google phone like the pixel, newer Samsung or the new essential phone you are waiting for a long time for that new os update, and by the time it does come out that smartphone is already aged, also the trade in value is much more on apple devices than android, that makes a big difference for people today for upgrades and getting some money back into there pocket each time they upgrade. A lot of people are starting to get tired of the lack of update support by the hardware vendors and carriers like for example Verizon and AT&T, the phone manufacturer about when/if the update would ever come out. Apple has demonstrated for years they know how to bring a great phone to market and provide solid support for it for 5+ years.



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  • Reply 42 of 47
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,771member
    I love how he says Android has 85% market share and Apple only has 13% market share.

    That's hard to believe.

    He also says fragmentation is not bad on Android it's one of there strengths and Apple only hows latest iOS on 60% of there devices.

    Fragmentation on Android security is a joke.

    But no bloatware installed is nice to know for his phone.

    Be interesting to see how his new operating system is going to work, but if it uses Android, that will have concerns for a lot of people when it comes to security.

    A side from that, nice design. At least he defended Apple for dropping the ear phone jack, called it making progress. lol.

    The 85% vs. 13% figure may be correct, but the VAST majority of Android-using phones are far behind Apple's iOS in terms of them using the most recent version of their phone OS because Android runs on a far greater number of phones that cannot and will not ever be updated.
    Exactly!


    ...and the provider of the Android OS doesn't care. The only concern was not being blocked in mobile like Microsoft attempted to do on the desktop (and failed), and which they've succeeded far beyond what they probably expected. 
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  • Reply 43 of 47
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,327member
    avon b7 said:
    I love how he says Android has 85% market share and Apple only has 13% market share.

    That's hard to believe.

    He also says fragmentation is not bad on Android it's one of there strengths and Apple only hows latest iOS on 60% of there devices.

    Fragmentation on Android security is a joke.

    But no bloatware installed is nice to know for his phone.

    Be interesting to see how his new operating system is going to work, but if it uses Android, that will have concerns for a lot of people when it comes to security.

    A side from that, nice design. At least he defended Apple for dropping the ear phone jack, called it making progress. lol.

    The 85% vs. 13% figure may be correct, but the VAST majority of Android-using phones are far behind Apple's iOS in terms of them using the most recent version of their phone OS because Android runs on a far greater number of phones that cannot and will not ever be updated.
    Is it not equally true that those same users are more likely to upgrade faster than iOS users and therefore jump straight to the latest Android? Many people buy cheap with the idea from the outset to upgrade more frequently.
    But it is also cost a lot more in the the future for upgrades, unless your purchasing a pure google phone like the pixel, newer Samsung or the new essential phone you are waiting for a long time for that new os update, and by the time it does come out that smartphone is already aged, also the trade in value is much more on apple devices than android, that makes a big difference for people today for upgrades and getting some money back into there pocket each time they upgrade. A lot of people are starting to get tired of the lack of update support by the hardware vendors and carriers like for example Verizon and AT&T, the phone manufacturer about when/if the update would ever come out. Apple has demonstrated for years they know how to bring a great phone to market and provide solid support for it for 5+ years.



    I think there is a group of Android users that simply buy with the idea that that will not see a major upgrade on the same phone. Their plan is to move up to to the latest Android with a new phone. Given the millions of high end Android phones that are sold year after year, I doubt waiting for an upgrade or not getting one at all is even an issue for those users. My logic is that if it were an issue, sales wouldn't be continually so high of premium devices. There is another group that sits squarely between those groups but I doubt it's an for them either.

    Trade in value is not something that Android handset users seem to be interested in. The only reason that such programmes exist is that manufacturers want certain expensive elements of those phones back. It's better than nothing of course but it makes more sense for an iOS user as they will likely be buying another iOS device to use the discount on. That might not be a similar case in the Android world although I have seen some generic plans for trade in options.

    Given how fast the industry has moved in ten years I can fully understand why some users have sacrificed style and build quality to buy cheaper phones that they plan to use for 12-18 months before repeating the cycle.
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  • Reply 44 of 47
    lorin schultzlorin schultz Posts: 2,771member
    avon b7 said:
    I think there is a group of Android users that simply buy with the idea that that will not see a major upgrade on the same phone. Their plan is to move up to to the latest Android with a new phone.

    I agree, and would take it a step further: the whole concept of updating the OS is not even on their radar. For many, buying a phone is no different than buying a TV: They choose a device based primarily on price and physical characteristics. Updating its OS is not something that even crosses their mind. Neither is resale.

    That's not surprising. Different people have different priorities. Many of them would consider some of OUR purchasing choices to be inferior to theirs. How many of us are wearing a no-name t-shirt rather than a finely crafted, well-fitted button up? How many of us use a soundbar or listen to TV through the built-in speakers rather than an accurate 5.1 setup? How many of us drive cars that are less sophisticated than a Mercedes or Lexus because it's good enough for our modest needs and expectations?

    When evaluating a product's place in the market it's important to remember that there is a broad spectrum of priorities among buyers. Different people value different characteristics, including things like price and looks. Again, not surprising. Look at US. There are only a few models of iPhone on the market, and we can't even all agree on which one is the best!
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  • Reply 45 of 47
    Look at that horrible camera thingy sticking down into the screem

    It should be called "iPenis" given the latest revelations
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  • Reply 46 of 47
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    sockrolid said:
    The company's other product is the Android-based Essential Phone, built with a titanium body, ceramic back, and Gorilla Glass 5 protecting a 5.71-inch, 2560-by-1312 display.
    Hey.
    Apple.
    I want the iPhone "8" to have a ceramic enclosure.  Not just a Gorilla Glass back like my old iPhone 4 (circa 2010).
    You already have experience with ceramic enclosures (Series 2 Apple Watch Edition).
    Make us proud and solve two problems at once with a ceramic enclosure for the high-end 2017 iPhone.
    (Problem 1: Gorilla Glass shatters when iPhone is dropped.  Problem 2: Metal back blocks inductive charging.)

    Oh, and please make the 2017 iPhone ceramic enclosure black.  Not white like the Apple Watch Edition.
    Hey.
    sockrolid
    No problem.  Your iPhone will now cost $4000
    Oh, black as well?  Make it $4100
    Thanks for the experience
    kthxbye
    Apple
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