Correction: Apple HAD a ten year lead on custom silicon. The man responsible just took all that knowledge and experience to Google. This brings Google a lot closer to being current, and slows Apple's development efforts.
Suggests that despite dismal initial premium phone sales, Google wants to push its own high-end HW at least a year or two further. Interesting clash ahead. Not only with Apple, but with Google's fellow Android makers.
Correction: Apple HAD a ten year lead on custom silicon. The man responsible just took all that knowledge and experience to Google. This brings Google a lot closer to being current, and slows Apple's development efforts.
Yeah it's that easy. Bam.
I'm having trouble figuring out what you mean. Was that a sarcastic snipe? Agreement? Involuntary muscle spasm? What's your point?
Correction: Apple HAD a ten year lead on custom silicon. The man responsible just took all that knowledge and experience to Google. This brings Google a lot closer to being current, and slows Apple's development efforts.
Yeah it's that easy. Bam.
I'm having trouble figuring out what you mean. Was that a sarcastic snipe? Agreement? Involuntary muscle spasm? What's your point?
Your trolling is pretty horrendous. Yes, sarcasm is in order when you state that hiring one guy basically nullifies a ten year lead. Apple has acquired numerous companies, and has been investing in custom silicon development in iOS devices for almost a decade. This wasn't the work of one dude. But yeah, now that Google hired this one guy, Apple is fucked according to you.
This will help keep Apple from complacency. Which is great for consumers. Competition is a win for all.
Apple has zero competition in the tablet world, and yet they aggressively invest in the hardware and software, for example doubling the refresh rate to 120Hz (unheard of), reworking the OS, packing in ridiculously fast silicon, etc. Apple has NEVER needed external competitors in order to avoid "complacency" and do its best work. This implication has always been bullshit.
This will help keep Apple from complacency. Which is great for consumers. Competition is a win for all.
Apple has zero competition in the tablet world, and yet they aggressively invest in the hardware and software, for example doubling the refresh rate to 120Hz (unheard of), reworking the OS, packing in ridiculously fast silicon, etc. Apple has NEVER needed external competitors in order to avoid "complacency" and do its best work. This implication has always been bullshit.
This will help keep Apple from complacency. Which is great for consumers. Competition is a win for all.
Apple has zero competition in the tablet world, and yet they aggressively invest in the hardware and software, for example doubling the refresh rate to 120Hz (unheard of), reworking the OS, packing in ridiculously fast silicon, etc. Apple has NEVER needed external competitors in order to avoid "complacency" and do its best work. This implication has always been bullshit.
The chip development has benefited all devices across the board. Bad argument.
This will help keep Apple from complacency. Which is great for consumers. Competition is a win for all.
iPhone, iPod, Mac, iPad, etc were NEVER inspired by the copycats that came afterward. This is a stupid argument that won't die. Apple doesn't care what the knockoffs do.
Correction: Apple HAD a ten year lead on custom silicon. The man responsible just took all that knowledge and experience to Google. This brings Google a lot closer to being current, and slows Apple's development efforts.
Mmm. Not so sure. You make it sound like he didn't tell anyone else at Apple how his stuff worked. Before his designs are used in Apple products then they would have been reviewed and tested by at least a half dozen other engineers of similar calibre.
Apple's chip design team is huge, and while Gulati was certainly a key member of the team, he wasn't the only member. The list of patents cites him and many others on most of Apple's chip technologies.
It's also worth bearing in mind that while Apple has lost his experience, they have not lost his knowledge and they certainly haven't lost the patents. Anything that comes out of Google's chip design unit will be looked at very closely. He's going to have to come up with new ways to do the same stuff, and that will take time.
We all had the same conversation when the Swift language designer left Apple for Uber. People seriously believed that it was the end of Apple's programming language, and if I might blow my own trumpet for a moment, I think I was the only one here who actually bothered to look into the guy who was replacing him.
It's worth bearing in mind that Apple would have known this guy was leaving months ago, and before that they would have already been prepared for any of their key people leaving or, unfortunately, dying. And this is common for any well-run company, not just Apple. Apple has been losing 'key' people or years; they have also been finding 'key' people to replace them, and the companies they filch them from have, in turn, found 'key' people to replace the 'key' people they've lost to Apple. That’s how it goes.
Knowledge-sharing and aggressive recruitment: that's the key.
Still, his experience is valuable, so with any luck, Apple will be able to win him back at some point in the future.
I don't think this hiring will change anything in short term. Apple A Chip is a result of a team's decade hard work, not a person, and comprise of hundreds of patents, some of them owned by Apple. To suggest that a one person able to recreate the same chip from scratch without using a single Apple patents is possible but may take years and years. It is not happening so fast. Who knows by that time how much advance Apple newest chip A20 already is.
Correction: Apple HAD a ten year lead on custom silicon. The man responsible just took all that knowledge and experience to Google. This brings Google a lot closer to being current, and slows Apple's development efforts.
Yeah it's that easy. Bam.
I'm having trouble figuring out what you mean. Was that a sarcastic snipe? Agreement? Involuntary muscle spasm? What's your point?
Your trolling is pretty horrendous. Yes, sarcasm is in order when you state that hiring one guy basically nullifies a ten year lead. Apple has acquired numerous companies, and has been investing in custom silicon development in iOS devices for almost a decade. This wasn't the work of one dude. But yeah, now that Google hired this one guy, Apple is fucked according to you.
One other thing: Gulati joined the team a year after Apple purchased PA-SEMI, which indicates that there just might have been a team of engineers in place before he arrived.
Trolling? Not at all. I'm not even sure how you'd come to that conclusion, since there's nothing in what I wrote that should poke any buttons, and my posting history demonstrates pretty clearly that I'm not here to just stir up shit.
Yes, sarcasm is in order when you state that hiring one guy basically nullifies a ten year lead.
Is that what I said? That wasn't what I meant. I meant that it closes the gap, not that it "nullifies" any lead. I didn't mean Google now has equivalent resources or that Apple is now in the weeds, just that Apple's advantage isn't as wide as it was before this move, that's all.
Correction: Apple HAD a ten year lead on custom silicon. The man responsible just took all that knowledge and experience to Google. This brings Google a lot closer to being current, and slows Apple's development efforts.
Yeah it's that easy. Bam.
I'm having trouble figuring out what you mean. Was that a sarcastic snipe? Agreement? Involuntary muscle spasm? What's your point?
Your trolling is pretty horrendous. Yes, sarcasm is in order when you state that hiring one guy basically nullifies a ten year lead. Apple has acquired numerous companies, and has been investing in custom silicon development in iOS devices for almost a decade. This wasn't the work of one dude. But yeah, now that Google hired this one guy, Apple is fucked according to you.
Lorin spent around 5,000 dollars on the late 2016 MBP. That pretty much puts a question mark over any trolling accusations which were unwarranted anyway.
This will help keep Apple from complacency. Which is great for consumers. Competition is a win for all.
iPhone, iPod, Mac, iPad, etc were NEVER inspired by the copycats that came afterward. This is a stupid argument that won't die. Apple doesn't care what the knockoffs do.
THAT'S the silly argument that takes on a life of its own. Of course Apple cares what competitors do, and they'd be dumb not to. They're surrounded by good ideas from those competitors that Apple can improve on for the betterment of the company. Remember the "Apple isn't usually the first to do something" mantra preached here?
It is a bit weird - this forum. Anything Google does for "timepass" without any seriousness or whatsoever (like pixel phones, this hiring towards a "rumor" of custom SoC development, glass etc) gets very serious attention and discussed in detail than it deserves. Anything Google does seriously and well (like Android, Maps etc) get rubbished and ridiculed in a matter of minutes with very fewer posts. Really weird!!!
This will help keep Apple from complacency. Which is great for consumers. Competition is a win for all.
Apple has zero competition in the tablet world, and yet they aggressively invest in the hardware and software, for example doubling the refresh rate to 120Hz (unheard of), reworking the OS, packing in ridiculously fast silicon, etc. Apple has NEVER needed external competitors in order to avoid "complacency" and do its best work. This implication has always been bullshit.
Your observations (sentences underlined) are absolutely spot on. but NOT the reasons for that. Apple DOES need competition to avoid "complacency". Apple was complacent last 3 years when iPhone sales were doing well (meeting/exceeding their own expectations - I know iPhone 6s generation did not meet market expectations). When that did not happen this year, they are working extra hard to make up for lost time, by upgrading so many devices (iPad, iPad Pros, MacBooks, iMacs) in the last 2 months. This would NOT have happened, if not for slowdown in iPhone sales.
In post 32 I tred to clarify something I wrote earlier, but chose poor wording again. I said this poaching "closes the gap" between Google and Apple with regard to chip development. I should have said "narrows the gap." Apple obviously still has a significant head start and this one hire won't put Google on equal footing, but it gets Google closer than they were before.
In post 32 I tred to clarify something I wrote earlier, but chose poor wording again. I said this poaching "closes the gap" between Google and Apple with regard to chip development. I should have said "narrows the gap." Apple obviously still has a significant head start and this one hire won't put Google on equal footing, but it gets Google closer than they were before.
Your wording was just fine. Officially, 'close the gap' means to eliminate or reduce it. In fact today, the latter usage is far more common than the former.
In post 32 I tred to clarify something I wrote earlier, but chose poor wording again. I said this poaching "closes the gap" between Google and Apple with regard to chip development. I should have said "narrows the gap." Apple obviously still has a significant head start and this one hire won't put Google on equal footing, but it gets Google closer than they were before.
Do you seriously believe Google is "serious" about this venture, what with their 1million pixel sales over 8 months????
In post 32 I tred to clarify something I wrote earlier, but chose poor wording again. I said this poaching "closes the gap" between Google and Apple with regard to chip development. I should have said "narrows the gap." Apple obviously still has a significant head start and this one hire won't put Google on equal footing, but it gets Google closer than they were before.
Do you seriously believe Google is "serious" about this venture, what with their 1million pixel sales over 8 months????
I think they're serious about it, but not just for smartphones. You're right that if was only about a Pixel processor it might not be terribly serious.
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Apple has zero competition in the tablet world, and yet they aggressively invest in the hardware and software, for example doubling the refresh rate to 120Hz (unheard of), reworking the OS, packing in ridiculously fast silicon, etc. Apple has NEVER needed external competitors in order to avoid "complacency" and do its best work. This implication has always been bullshit.
Mmm. Not so sure. You make it sound like he didn't tell anyone else at Apple how his stuff worked. Before his designs are used in Apple products then they would have been reviewed and tested by at least a half dozen other engineers of similar calibre.
Apple's chip design team is huge, and while Gulati was certainly a key member of the team, he wasn't the only member. The list of patents cites him and many others on most of Apple's chip technologies.
It's also worth bearing in mind that while Apple has lost his experience, they have not lost his knowledge and they certainly haven't lost the patents. Anything that comes out of Google's chip design unit will be looked at very closely. He's going to have to come up with new ways to do the same stuff, and that will take time.
We all had the same conversation when the Swift language designer left Apple for Uber. People seriously believed that it was the end of Apple's programming language, and if I might blow my own trumpet for a moment, I think I was the only one here who actually bothered to look into the guy who was replacing him.
It's worth bearing in mind that Apple would have known this guy was leaving months ago, and before that they would have already been prepared for any of their key people leaving or, unfortunately, dying. And this is common for any well-run company, not just Apple. Apple has been losing 'key' people or years; they have also been finding 'key' people to replace them, and the companies they filch them from have, in turn, found 'key' people to replace the 'key' people they've lost to Apple. That’s how it goes.
Knowledge-sharing and aggressive recruitment: that's the key.
Still, his experience is valuable, so with any luck, Apple will be able to win him back at some point in the future.
Is that what I said? That wasn't what I meant. I meant that it closes the gap, not that it "nullifies" any lead. I didn't mean Google now has equivalent resources or that Apple is now in the weeds, just that Apple's advantage isn't as wide as it was before this move, that's all.
It is a bit weird - this forum. Anything Google does for "timepass" without any seriousness or whatsoever (like pixel phones, this hiring towards a "rumor" of custom SoC development, glass etc) gets very serious attention and discussed in detail than it deserves. Anything Google does seriously and well (like Android, Maps etc) get rubbished and ridiculed in a matter of minutes with very fewer posts. Really weird!!!
In post 32 I tred to clarify something I wrote earlier, but chose poor wording again. I said this poaching "closes the gap" between Google and Apple with regard to chip development. I should have said "narrows the gap." Apple obviously still has a significant head start and this one hire won't put Google on equal footing, but it gets Google closer than they were before.
Do you seriously believe Google is "serious" about this venture, what with their 1million pixel sales over 8 months????