Google hires away Apple's Manu Gulati to work on chips for new Pixel models

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Google has reportedly recruited Manu Gulati -- formerly a key Apple chip designer -- to become its lead system-on-chip architect, working on components for future Pixel smartphones.




Gulati left Apple a few weeks ago, despite only changing his LinkedIn profile today, Variety sources said. The designer first joined Apple in Aug. 2009, and is said to have been heavily involved in custom chips for the iPhone, and iPad, and Apple TV. He's also credited in 15 different Apple patents, including one on the Secure Enclave concept used in devices with Touch ID.

Google is apparently accelerating its hiring efforts in chip design, Variety indicated, including seeking "mobile SoC" architects" for unspecified phones and tablets.

The Pixel is designed by Google, but still relies on a Qualcomm Snapdragon processor like many other Android devices. Shifting to a custom chip should allow the company to better optimize its hardware for speed and battery life.

Apple's A-series mobile processors are in fact built on the same philosophy, and often credited as a competitive advantage. If successful, a Google processor might reduce any performance gap with Apple, narrowing competition to software, design, and miscellaneous other features.

Apple has already expanded into other arenas of chip design, for instance through the W1 wireless chip used in AirPods and Beats products like the Powerbeats3. Another chip handles the MacBook Pro Touch Bar, and the company is allegedly working on an ARM-based processor to handle low-power Mac functions.
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  • Reply 1 of 57
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Why is Variety reporting on employee movement between Apple and Google? They have lost the thread on their reporting.
    randominternetperson
  • Reply 2 of 57
    evilutionevilution Posts: 1,399member
    When will Android phone makers realise that having a more streamlined OS is better than just increasing the chip speed?
    Putting a jet engine on a bus might make it fast but it's not better than a race car.
    jbdragonmwhitepeterhartcaliwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 57
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 2,311member
    Is Google trying to copy the iPhone even more then they have already? The Pixel hasn't sold in great numbers. Android in general doesn't make a whole lot of profits for anyone other then Samesung and even that is a fraction of the iPhone. Does Google have a lot of money to dump into making their own chips? Let alone a high end market to sell enough phones to even make it worth it? One thing is for sure, it's not going to happen overnight.
    edited June 2017 caliwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 57
    qwweraqwwera Posts: 281member
    This will help keep Apple from complacency. Which is great for consumers. 
    Competition is a win for all.
    calicommand_f
  • Reply 5 of 57
    jbdragon said:
    Is Google trying to copy the iPhone even more then they have already? The Pixel hasn't sold in great numbers. Android in general doesn't make a whole lot of profits for anyone other then Samesung and even that is a fraction of the iPhone. Does Google have a lot of money to dump into making their own chips? Let alone a high end market to sell enough phones to even make it worth it? One thing is for sure, it's not going to happen overnight.
    They're doing it to effectively drive Google's share price higher. You should realize investors don't always need to see results. All they really want is to hear about how a successful product might increase future returns. You should realize that most of Google's moonshot projects never produce profitable results but each of those projects brings more investors on board and Google's share price rises that much higher. That's what makes Google more valuable to Wall Street than Apple.

    All Google has to do is keep pushing more ambitious projects. Let everyone know they're making strides to being just like Apple and their share price will jump in accordance. Once Google can boast that it's Pixel's SoC is as powerful as Apple's A-series processors, Google will be claimed to have stolen Apple's hardware crown and Apple will be devalued even further than it already is.  It's all about creating favorable perceptions and Google is the master at that.  Apple is creating very poor perceptions of its company and that's destroying its value.
    edited June 2017 sirlance99
  • Reply 6 of 57
     If successful, a Google processor might reduce any performance gap with Apple, narrowing competition to software, design, and miscellaneous other features...

    Good luck with that. Apple has a 10 year lead on custom Silicon, and a 100 year lead on design philosophy.
    wonkothesaneBluntcalijony0jbdragonwatto_cobralostkiwi
  • Reply 7 of 57
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,884member
    jbdragon said:
    Is Google trying to copy the iPhone even more then they have already? The Pixel hasn't sold in great numbers. Android in general doesn't make a whole lot of profits for anyone other then Samesung and even that is a fraction of the iPhone. Does Google have a lot of money to dump into making their own chips? Let alone a high end market to sell enough phones to even make it worth it? One thing is for sure, it's not going to happen overnight.
    Apple is creating very poor perceptions of its company and that's destroying its value.
    When you say destroying, do you by chance mean increasing? Because they've been trending upward in value for a very long time. While there is an argument that it remains undervalued still, that is very different than claiming Apple is actively destroying itself.
    edited June 2017 randominternetpersonBluntjony0tmayjbdragonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 57
    qwwera said:
    This will help keep Apple from complacency. Which is great for consumers. 
    Competition is a win for all.

    In theory, sure.  But if this Manu fellow was a critical part of the design team, losing him won't "help Apple."  Presumably/hopefully Apple has a deep bench of superstars, so this isn't a big deal.
  • Reply 9 of 57
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,384member
    qwwera said:
    This will help keep Apple from complacency. Which is great for consumers. 
    Competition is a win for all.
    What "competition"? I have literally seen no one with a Pixel, I'm sure sales numbers are pretty dismal.
    Bluntcalijony0tmayjbdragonwatto_cobralostkiwi
  • Reply 10 of 57
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,096member
    qwwera said:
    This will help keep Apple from complacency. Which is great for consumers. 
    Competition is a win for all.
    Stop making stuff up.  Apple competes with itself to make things better, and doesn't need some wannabe shop like Google/Android to keep it on its toes.

    Google has sold next to no Pixels.  So whatever they're doing, it's going to be a long and expensive road before anything comes out of this.
    Bluntcalijony0tmayjbdragon2old4funStrangeDaysmacplusplusmacky the mackywatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 57
    sflocal said:
    qwwera said:
    This will help keep Apple from complacency. Which is great for consumers. 
    Competition is a win for all.
    Stop making stuff up.  Apple competes with itself to make things better, and doesn't need some wannabe shop like Google/Android to keep it on its toes.

    Google has sold next to no Pixels.  So whatever they're doing, it's going to be a long and expensive road before anything comes out of this.

    Case in point - the new iPad Pros. A smoking fast new A10X when they already had the fastest tablets you could buy. They keep pushing every year even though they were already ahead of the competition.
    brucemcBluntjony0tmaymacky the mackywatto_cobralostkiwicoolfactor
  • Reply 12 of 57
    brucemcbrucemc Posts: 1,541member
    sflocal said:
    qwwera said:
    This will help keep Apple from complacency. Which is great for consumers. 
    Competition is a win for all.
    Stop making stuff up.  Apple competes with itself to make things better, and doesn't need some wannabe shop like Google/Android to keep it on its toes.

    Google has sold next to no Pixels.  So whatever they're doing, it's going to be a long and expensive road before anything comes out of this.

    Case in point - the new iPad Pros. A smoking fast new A10X when they already had the fastest tablets you could buy. They keep pushing every year even though they were already ahead of the competition.
    Shhh...a troll sees no reality and hears no reality...
    caliwatto_cobralostkiwi
  • Reply 13 of 57
    brucemcbrucemc Posts: 1,541member
    I can almost hear Rogifan walking around, rubbing hands, wondering what in the world Apple is going to do, and criticizing anyone that points out this isn't a big deal...
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 57
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,096member
     If successful, a Google processor might reduce any performance gap with Apple, narrowing competition to software, design, and miscellaneous other features...

    Good luck with that. Apple has a 10 year lead on custom Silicon, and a 100 year lead on design philosophy.
    That's a huge, HUGE "if".  Google makes crap software, we all know that.  They can't focus on any one thing (except search) to save them.  I highly doubt they will ever be on par with Apple's chip design.  Good luck to them though.

    Even if they create a chip, that doesn't mean all the other Android iPhone knockoffs will use that chip in their crap phones.  So Android will always be playing catch-up.
    Bluntcalijony0macplusplusmacky the mackywatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 57
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    jbdragon said:
    Is Google trying to copy the iPhone even more then they have already? The Pixel hasn't sold in great numbers. Android in general doesn't make a whole lot of profits for anyone other then Samesung and even that is a fraction of the iPhone. Does Google have a lot of money to dump into making their own chips? Let alone a high end market to sell enough phones to even make it worth it? One thing is for sure, it's not going to happen overnight.
    They're doing it to effectively drive Google's share price higher. You should realize investors don't always need to see results. All they really want is to hear about how a successful product might increase future returns. You should realize that most of Google's moonshot projects never produce profitable results but each of those projects brings more investors on board and Google's share price rises that much higher. That's what makes Google more valuable to Wall Street than Apple.
    Why would Google care enough what the share price is to spend money on propping it up? They don't make anything extra when the price goes up, and lose nothing when the price goes down. It's just churning stock that was already issued. That's really a serious question. 
  • Reply 16 of 57
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 2,351member
    Google is not just stealing talent from Apple.  This act is an attempt at hurting Apple. 
    watto_cobracoolfactor
  • Reply 17 of 57
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    tzeshan said:
    Google is not just stealing talent from Apple.  This act is an attempt at hurting Apple. 
    Silly comment. Apple hired the founder of Google X away from them. They've hired Google's satellite leads.  The goal was not to hurt Google. They wanted the expertise. 
    jony0
  • Reply 18 of 57
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    qwwera said:
    This will help keep Apple from complacency. Which is great for consumers. 
    Competition is a win for all.

    In theory, sure.  But if this Manu fellow was a critical part of the design team, losing him won't "help Apple."  Presumably/hopefully Apple has a deep bench of superstars, so this isn't a big deal.
    Also, Gulati won't be able to use information he acquired while in the employ of Apple to help Google. He'll have to build on what is public/common industry knowledge or use Google-developed secret information instead.
    edited June 2017 propod
  • Reply 19 of 57
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    sflocal said:
     If successful, a Google processor might reduce any performance gap with Apple, narrowing competition to software, design, and miscellaneous other features...

    Good luck with that. Apple has a 10 year lead on custom Silicon, and a 100 year lead on design philosophy.
    That's a huge, HUGE "if".  Google makes crap software, we all know that.  They can't focus on any one thing (except search) to save them.  I highly doubt they will ever be on par with Apple's chip design.  Good luck to them though.

    Even if they create a chip, that doesn't mean all the other Android iPhone knockoffs will use that chip in their crap phones.  So Android will always be playing catch-up.
    I wouldn't personally expect this is just about smartphones. Google's Pixels are NOT big sellers, maybe a million or so to date (yes seriously. Maybe a million),  and hardly worth committing a $1b or more to for a self-designed main processor IMHO. 
    edited June 2017 jony0
  • Reply 20 of 57
    [...] Apple has a 10 year lead on custom Silicon
    Correction: Apple HAD a ten year lead on custom silicon. The man responsible just took all that knowledge and experience to Google. This brings Google a lot closer to being current, and slows Apple's development efforts.
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