Right now, still using a disk interface/ driver to access essentally big ass memory... That's not ideal. Your handicaping memory because of the traditional limits of disks with small amount of cache. It's time the storage interface got a complete overhaul.
You mean, like APFS?
Mike, completely newbie question, but what about the current MBPs? The SSD may not be user-replacable, but does the inbuilt SSD drive adhere to NMVe, or is it something that may come in a future version?
Does APFS and High Sierra have any of the features that are supported by NMVe, albeit in a proprietary manner?
The 2016 and 2017 MBP include NVMe drives. Overall support for NVMe isn't new, but was limited to very specific Apple-approved configurations.
What's new is the ability for non-Apple implementations to be used at some point in the future. Apple intentionally added that in HS. It didn't exist before.
Right now, still using a disk interface/ driver to access essentally big ass memory... That's not ideal. Your handicaping memory because of the traditional limits of disks with small amount of cache. It's time the storage interface got a complete overhaul.
You mean, like APFS?
APFS is the filesystem
There are some drivers to get to the actual hardware and present a stable interface to the software.
then the hardware itself that can be optimized for accessing disks, or memory.
The whole stack now in the Iphone is solid state optimized.
This is seemingly coming to everything Apple soon.
Everything in the stack had, for a long time, some legacy crap to deal with the limitations of a physical hard disk.
APFS goes a bit beyond just the file system. I know what you're talking about, regarding the stack, but most of the benefits you're talking about are granted by a combination of APFS and NVMe (and possibly Optane) storage.
Anything more will require an entirely new paradigm, and there's nothing coming.
It's called the Ignore List, and that one features prominently on it. ;-)
Thanks for reminding me.
Appex … begone!
… and it was so. :-)
A perfect solution (something like a "Send to MacRumors Forever" button<ha!>) it is not, but it does at least reduce the *screeching* noise here.
The bickering about "the other forum" on each of these forums is really childish because both forums are pretty much the same in terms of the people on them and the content they present (though I think AI forums are more worshippy of Apple and MR forums are more critical of Apple). Both provide similar content and balance each other's biases.
Right now, still using a disk interface/ driver to access essentally big ass memory... That's not ideal. Your handicaping memory because of the traditional limits of disks with small amount of cache. It's time the storage interface got a complete overhaul.
You mean, like APFS?
Mike, completely newbie question, but what about the current MBPs? The SSD may not be user-replacable, but does the inbuilt SSD drive adhere to NMVe, or is it something that may come in a future version?
Does APFS and High Sierra have any of the features that are supported by NMVe, albeit in a proprietary manner?
The 2016 and 2017 MBP include NVMe drives. Overall support for NVMe isn't new, but was limited to very specific Apple-approved configurations.
What's new is the ability for non-Apple implementations to be used at some point in the future. Apple intentionally added that in HS. It didn't exist before.
It's called the Ignore List, and that one features prominently on it. ;-)
Thanks for reminding me.
Appex … begone!
… and it was so. :-)
A perfect solution (something like a "Send to MacRumors Forever" button<ha!>) it is not, but it does at least reduce the *screeching* noise here.
The bickering about "the other forum" on each of these forums is really childish because both forums are pretty much the same in terms of the people on them and the content they present (though I think AI forums are more worshippy of Apple and MR forums are more critical of Apple). Both provide similar content and balance each other's biases.
Are you kidding? Dare to post something positive, or even not be vehemently negative, on MR and you're attacked and the moderators are the absolute worst. Seriously, if you can't tell the difference, well I think that speaks volumes.
Right now, still using a disk interface/ driver to access essentally big ass memory... That's not ideal. Your handicaping memory because of the traditional limits of disks with small amount of cache. It's time the storage interface got a complete overhaul.
You mean, like APFS?
Mike, completely newbie question, but what about the current MBPs? The SSD may not be user-replacable, but does the inbuilt SSD drive adhere to NMVe, or is it something that may come in a future version?
Does APFS and High Sierra have any of the features that are supported by NMVe, albeit in a proprietary manner?
The 2016 and 2017 MBP include NVMe drives. Overall support for NVMe isn't new, but was limited to very specific Apple-approved configurations.
What's new is the ability for non-Apple implementations to be used at some point in the future. Apple intentionally added that in HS. It didn't exist before.
So the SSD in the 2013 Mac Pro wasn't NVMe?
Okay. Buckle up.
There's AHCI and NVMe. Until OS X 10.10.3, even a NVMe capable-drive wasn't talking over the spec -- it was communicating with AHCI. And even then, you couldn't just cram any old NVMe drives into Apple's NVMe connector, because it wasn't quite standard. On top of that, Apple's driver didn't support more than a very small handful of drives and controllers -- and those were Apple's own.
Now, with High Sierra, if you've got a standard NVMe connector, and a standard NVMe drive, you're good to go. This is of most benefit for the Hackintosh crowd right now. But, like I said, Apple has widened support in the HS driver. It doesn't mean that they won't take it away later, but it was a coding effort to include it in the first place.
"Little is known about the forthcoming "modular" Mac Pro, which was noted to not be shipping in 2017."
There will be no new Mac Pro. The iMac Pro was Apple's attempt at placating the Pro users. Once the iMac Pro comes out Apple will say "See, this is so fast, it is the only computer you need" and no new Mac Pro.
"Little is known about the forthcoming "modular" Mac Pro, which was noted to not be shipping in 2017."
There will be no new Mac Pro. The iMac Pro was Apple's attempt at placating the Pro users. Once the iMac Pro comes out Apple will say "See, this is so fast, it is the only computer you need" and no new Mac Pro.
Please stop getting everyones hopes up...
Apple's direct quotes on the matter disagree with you. Read the link.
Obviously, they ship what they ship, but they said that this iMac was coming, and the modular Mac Pro "not this year."
"Little is known about the forthcoming "modular" Mac Pro, which was noted to not be shipping in 2017."
There will be no new Mac Pro. The iMac Pro was Apple's attempt at placating the Pro users. Once the iMac Pro comes out Apple will say "See, this is so fast, it is the only computer you need" and no new Mac Pro.
Please stop getting everyones hopes up...
This seems the same sort of pessimism that said no new iMac's or any Mac's at WWDC and don't get your hopes up about there even being iMac or Mac updates in the near future. Indeed I was told by people on this forum "Get this through your thick skulls. Apple no longer sees itself as a desktop computer manufacturer. Desktops are now a legacy hobby.". Yet here we are.
That said I'm don't think the Newerest MacPro will be a desktop when it does come, Indeed I think they will be aimming to put it as far away from the user as possible and that why they'll get back in to the AppleDisplay business.
"Little is known about the forthcoming "modular" Mac Pro, which was noted to not be shipping in 2017."
There will be no new Mac Pro. The iMac Pro was Apple's attempt at placating the Pro users. Once the iMac Pro comes out Apple will say "See, this is so fast, it is the only computer you need" and no new Mac Pro.
Please stop getting everyones hopes up...
And this your first post, such an upbeat attitude and claiming to know everything. Hmmmm. Welcome?
About a year ago Apple added support for few other USB3 chipsets besides Intel and Frisco Logic(used in 2013 MP) to the beta of Sierra. And then when it was GM they nixed it leaving us with Intel and FL only again. So don't hold your breath, I would say.
Apple support 4096 block size NVMEs SSDs like Toshiba/OCZ so get one of those and you are golden. Samsung use 512 block size which is why they don't yet work but maybe this is what they are supporting in High Sierra.
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APFS goes a bit beyond just the file system. I know what you're talking about, regarding the stack, but most of the benefits you're talking about are granted by a combination of APFS and NVMe (and possibly Optane) storage.
Anything more will require an entirely new paradigm, and there's nothing coming.
There will be no new Mac Pro. The iMac Pro was Apple's attempt at placating the Pro users. Once the iMac Pro comes out Apple will say "See, this is so fast, it is the only computer you need" and no new Mac Pro.
Please stop getting everyones hopes up...
That said I'm don't think the Newerest MacPro will be a desktop when it does come, Indeed I think they will be aimming to put it as far away from the user as possible and that why they'll get back in to the AppleDisplay business.