Apple launches first public beta of macOS High Sierra

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  • Reply 21 of 54
    jkichlinejkichline Posts: 1,369member
    Been rocking High Sierra since WWDC and have had good luck with it, especially a first beta version!  It has fixed some issues I've had with Sierra and there are a few weird glitches here and there, but otherwise I'm pleased.  The biggest pain is when running Parallels, the icons that appear in the dock for Windows programs close the program when you click on them!  That's probably more a problem with Parallels, but it's a nuisance... or maybe it's a feature ;)
  • Reply 22 of 54
    BuffyzDeadBuffyzDead Posts: 358member
    jkichline said:
    ...when running Parallels, the icons that appear in the dock for Windows programs close the program when you click on them!  That's probably more a problem with Parallels, but it's a nuisance... or maybe it's a feature ;)
    For what is worth, running VMWare Fusion v8.5.8, with Windows 10 Pro, now under High Sierra.

    ...No issues whatsoever
  • Reply 23 of 54
    LoneStar88LoneStar88 Posts: 325member
    MacOS 10.13 public beta installed without incident on my early 2015 12" Retina MacBook.
  • Reply 24 of 54
    seanismorrisseanismorris Posts: 1,624member
    So far So good, but the machine is working away at something.
    Also, I see TWO Macintosh HD's in my Finder side bar.
    It is working away, so I am going to let it keep doing its thing, then I will reboot in a few hours, or when it settles down.




    Let it finish what it's doing, it's likely converting the file system.

    With a major update/beta like this one, I'd recommend having a backup or wait until you have some feedback on how stable it is.
  • Reply 25 of 54
    anomeanome Posts: 1,533member
    jkichline said:
    Been rocking High Sierra since WWDC and have had good luck with it, especially a first beta version!  It has fixed some issues I've had with Sierra and there are a few weird glitches here and there, but otherwise I'm pleased.  The biggest pain is when running Parallels, the icons that appear in the dock for Windows programs close the program when you click on them!  That's probably more a problem with Parallels, but it's a nuisance... or maybe it's a feature ;)

    Parallels on the website does say not to try running Parallels on a High Sierra host. In fact, when I get home I'm going to load HS onto a Parallels VM, rather than trash either of my working computers just yet. I'd consider upgrading the MBP, except I still need the other Parallels VMs to work for now.
  • Reply 26 of 54
    lowededwookielowededwookie Posts: 1,146member
    Safari has the option to turn Reader View on for EVERY page that has it by default.

    The Never AutoPlay feature is a boon as well.

    Anyone know how to turn of APFS AFTER an install? I missed the option for it and I've still got an HPFS+ partition.
    edited June 2017
  • Reply 27 of 54
    dunksdunks Posts: 1,254member
    I'll sit this one out until gold master. Good luck everybody; may the bits be ever in your favour.
    SpamSandwich
  • Reply 28 of 54
    lowededwookielowededwookie Posts: 1,146member
    Actually I think it might be because I had FileVault turned on.

    Have turned it off and will get back to you once I've tried it. You use Recovery Mode which I thought would be the case but the option to convert doesn't show up so hopefully with FileVault off it will.
  • Reply 29 of 54
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,776member
    jkichline said:
    ...when running Parallels, the icons that appear in the dock for Windows programs close the program when you click on them!  That's probably more a problem with Parallels, but it's a nuisance... or maybe it's a feature ;)
    For what is worth, running VMWare Fusion v8.5.8, with Windows 10 Pro, now under High Sierra.

    ...No issues whatsoever
    RE VMWare Fusion: Are you are running 10.13 with the boot drive under HFS+?  It could be just me, but several Macs I tested booting 10.13 beta 2 under APFS both Parallels and VMWare failed.  If you are using APFS I have to go back and look again.  The apps are in the Applications Folder but I had the VMS themselves on an external; RAID  that was also APFS at the time of my tests not the internal.  It could be the latter set up behind my problem if your running on the internal with APFS successfully.  
    edited June 2017
  • Reply 30 of 54
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,776member

    Safari has the option to turn Reader View on for EVERY page that has it by default.

    The Never AutoPlay feature is a boon as well.

    Anyone know how to turn of APFS AFTER an install? I missed the option for it and I've still got an HPFS+ partition.
    Boot into the Recovery Partition (Command R at start up) and use Disk Utilities from there.  There is an option to convert the boot partition to APFS .  Be warned it's one way only, no revert back option.  Once you've done this even formatting the boot drive to be HFS+ again is problematic on a Mac as of yet.  You can erase it in disk utilities and restore a back up but it will fail to boot. Running the disk utilities repair function will fail.

    JFYI I found a work around to remove the complex boot structure APFS created during the APFS conversion.  By using Parallels or VMWare on another Mac, mounting the drive and using MiniTools (a PC partitioning disk utility) to delete all partitions on the APFS SSD .  Once done the SSD can now be formatted as HFS+ by a Mac  with the correct set up to boot.  I am sure Apple's disk utilities will do this soon but as of yet even beta 2 can't.
    edited June 2017 sennen
  • Reply 31 of 54
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,776member
    macxpress said:
    I just put this on my work Mac and it just totally messed up everything!!!! Apple can't do anything right! How do I go back to Sierra?

    /s
    You are so spot on.  There will be pain, anguish and gnashing of teeth if they have checked APFS.  Even with back ups they are in for some real hurt when they try to revert a boot drive back to HFS+, restore and reboot and find it doesn't.  IMHO  public betas should have come minus APFS options.
    edited June 2017
  • Reply 32 of 54
    All loaded on my Macbook Pro 2016 model , all seems too be working well albeit a bit slow but anyway all apps and programs work, Mac office is fine, photos is a tad slow in uploading to the cloud but all in all no issues or crashes as yet.
  • Reply 33 of 54
    So far I've submitted 2 bugs.  Picture in Picture in iTunes isn't working, and unlocking my computer with my Apple Watch isn't working.  Other than that, it seems really stable. Trying to put it through a variety of paces...
  • Reply 34 of 54
    Jordanf1Jordanf1 Posts: 21member
    iPhoto is very slow , up loading 10 pictures , taken an hour for 1 into an iCloud folder 
  • Reply 35 of 54
    looplessloopless Posts: 338member
    MacBook Pro Mid 2012, third party SSD. High Sierra public beta installed, updated to APFS, running really great. I only use the basics on this machine+ MS Office 2016. MS One Note crashed a lot until I upgraded to the latest "Insider Fast" build.

    No problems with Photos ( thousands of photos in library)
  • Reply 36 of 54
    macguimacgui Posts: 2,383member
    JinTech said:
    Just make sure you report any bugs you find to Apple.
    Yes, mom. And I'll eat all my vegetables, too.



    anome said:

    Maybe there's a corollary to Poe's Law, possibly the Shea-Wilson Corollary: Even clearly labelling something as satire, parody, or sarcasm is no guarantee that it will not be taken seriously by some people.
    While you have a point, there's also no guarantee nor mandate that everybody understand pseudo html tags or what passes for humor on the innerwebs.  The only thing more tedious that various 'FAIL' whines are the /s postings predicting those whines. Such postings are whines of their own. 

    Whether it's the FIbinocci Cyclic Syndrome Axiom or it's Schrödinger-Scheharazade Confabulation Corollary, they correctly observe that someone will always and often continually predict the obvious using the /s tag as an excuse to be mundane yet feel superior, to no real effect. 
  • Reply 37 of 54
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,886administrator
    MacPro said:
    macxpress said:
    I just put this on my work Mac and it just totally messed up everything!!!! Apple can't do anything right! How do I go back to Sierra?

    /s
    You are so spot on.  There will be pain, anguish and gnashing of teeth if they have checked APFS.  Even with back ups they are in for some real hurt when they try to revert a boot drive back to HFS+, restore and reboot and find it doesn't.  IMHO  public betas should have come minus APFS options.
    They did. The first screen after you click install has a checkbox for APFS or not.
  • Reply 38 of 54
    lowededwookielowededwookie Posts: 1,146member
    MacPro said:

    Safari has the option to turn Reader View on for EVERY page that has it by default.

    The Never AutoPlay feature is a boon as well.

    Anyone know how to turn of APFS AFTER an install? I missed the option for it and I've still got an HPFS+ partition.
    Boot into the Recovery Partition (Command R at start up) and use Disk Utilities from there.  There is an option to convert the boot partition to APFS .  Be warned it's one way only, no revert back option.  Once you've done this even formatting the boot drive to be HFS+ again is problematic on a Mac as of yet.  You can erase it in disk utilities and restore a back up but it will fail to boot. Running the disk utilities repair function will fail.

    JFYI I found a work around to remove the complex boot structure APFS created during the APFS conversion.  By using Parallels or VMWare on another Mac, mounting the drive and using MiniTools (a PC partitioning disk utility) to delete all partitions on the APFS SSD .  Once done the SSD can now be formatted as HFS+ by a Mac  with the correct set up to boot.  I am sure Apple's disk utilities will do this soon but as of yet even beta 2 can't.
    Yes so funny story, I killed it good. 🙂

    I’ll try the Windows thing to get the partitions back then use a clean installer to install Sierra again then reload the beta.

    I tried doing a clean install of the beta by using Disk Utility to delete and then create a blank APFS volume. It all went to pot after that. It created the partition fine but when I went to install High Sierra it errored saying that it can’t create the APFS boot volume or words to that effect.

    Don’t do a clean install just yet. 🙃
  • Reply 39 of 54
    dtidmoredtidmore Posts: 145member
    First I did a complete bootable SuperDuper backup to my trusty USB3 drive and verified it would boot.  Then I went full bore, damn the torpedoes, installing the High Sierra public beta WITH update to APFS and to make it MORE interesting, my mid 2012 MBP is running a DIY Fusion boot drive (INTEL 520 SSD/WD Black HD).  I have been running the Fusion setup for almost 4 years without a single bobble.  I had to leave the install running unattended all day and I fully expected to come home to a mess, but to my surprise, my MBP was patiently awaiting my login.  Other than having to install a beta version of Little Snitch, all my apps seem happy.  I verified that the boot drive was in fact a APFS Fusion drive as I wondered if maybe the beta saw my Fusion drive and bombed out of the APFS inline upgrade.  I am still exploring things, so I can't say that I won't find issues, but I AM VERY pleasantly surprised that the install and file system upgrade worked!
  • Reply 40 of 54
    So I rebuilt using Sierra then I installed the beta.

    Nowhere is there an option for upgrading to APFS. I'm running an early 2011 15" MBP with a WD 750GB Black SATA drive unpartitioned. What's going on? Is it a spec thing?
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