Well, it’s here. It’s not like Apple delays features because they aren’t ready. Siri was in beta for about two years, and portrait mode for the + series was delayed too.
seriously, let’s not have such selective memory.
Except this is an iPhone knockoff. We have ZERO tolerance for knockoffs.
How is the S8 an iPhone knockoff. Doesn't look anything like the iPhone. If you listen to the rumors, Apple will be the one being imitative of the Samsung by finally coming out with a phone with an OLED screen.
Well, it’s here. It’s not like Apple delays features because they aren’t ready. Siri was in beta for about two years, and portrait mode for the + series was delayed too.
seriously, let’s not have such selective memory.
Self-hating Apple users and their lecturing are just totally adorable.
Well, it’s here. It’s not like Apple delays features because they aren’t ready. Siri was in beta for about two years, and portrait mode for the + series was delayed too.
seriously, let’s not have such selective memory.
Except this is an iPhone knockoff. We have ZERO tolerance for knockoffs.
Oh, for crying out loud. What are you all going to say if the iPhone 8 is late by a month or three? Or if it’s missing what we’ve been talking about here as major features? If Apple doesn’t have Touch ID working, a lot of people are going to be very ticked off. Facial recognition, and iris scans don’t make up for it. What will you say if it isn’t there, make up some excuse?
sure, it’s late, and that’s not great. But software is often late. Samsung just decided, about a year ago that they wanted to compete with Apple, Amazon, Google and Microsoft in this area. How long did it take Apple to get Siri out the door, and as a beta for two years? And by every count, Siri has fallen behind those other, later competitors.
What is this iPhone 8? Did Apple announce this phone when I was on vacation? Something can't be late unless it misses an announced delivery date.
and by "by every count, Siri has fallen behind those other, later competitors.", are just counting the losses. Siri works for me when setting up reminders and appointments.
I think it’s pretty clear that Apple releases new phones in September. Are you pretending we don’t know this? Are you pretending that we don’t know that Apple is coming up with a new model this year? If so, that’s a lot of self deception.
and no, we don’t know if it will be late, it was a question I asked him, and a scenario, not a prediction. Please read more carefully.
and yes, Siri does work, just not as well as the competition. We should all know the reasons for that by now.
Well, it’s here. It’s not like Apple delays features because they aren’t ready. Siri was in beta for about two years, and portrait mode for the + series was delayed too.
seriously, let’s not have such selective memory.
I guess I do have selective memory because I can't think of a single time Apple released a product with a dedicated button that had nary a use because the feature designed for said dedicated button wasn't ready for that market. Was there a country that had a front facing camera that didn't work or a Touch ID button that wasn't functional? Including a beta SW or saying that a SW feature will come later on is very different from including a HW button with no use.
Oh, so now you’re down to one button? A button that will very shortly be used for its function? A function that was its purpose? Are you pretending that the button is useless? Yes, for 90 days, it wasn’t functional. That’s a major issue for you? Is that now the big problem? What about the crippled camera on the iPhone +, when it couldn’t use portrait mode? That doesn’t count? Or how about the two years it took Apple to get maps really working properly?
Was the dedicated digital personal assistant button not functional or am I "pretending"?
Again, you're the one that's made the claim that Apple has repeatedly done this yet when I mention an entire button on a device having no use you can't answer my question.
What Samsung should've done was either delay the HW release or just integrate the button to call Bixby into another button. Imagine if the rumours about Apple's future of Touch ID are true, and it will be placed behind the display, but they had also settled on a physical design where there's an extra physical button on the side specifically to call Siri and Touch ID but is now just a dead toe that does nothing when pressed. Would you defend that move?
I did answer your “question”. Lately you don’t seem to be reading all of my post. Since it was waiting for the software, it wasn’t functional. Ok? But it’s not as though it was there, and would never be functional. Delays happen all the time. What would you be saying if Apple did something that didn’t work for a while?
you seem focused on that one thing. Why is this such a big deal to you? You realize that without a front home button, the S8 can’t have that button for Bixby, so they put one on the side. We use the home button for Siri as well. What’s going to happen when Apple removes that, supposedly for the iPhone 8? Then we’ll ONLY have the option to use voice, unless Apple does something else, of which we know nothing about right now. You’re saying it’s better to have no option than to have one? Shou,d Apple use a double click on the power button instead. That’s pretty clumsy on the iPad.
i don’t think it would be a big deal if Apple added that button, and the software was delayed. It happens. Delaying a release of an entire device is a major problem. It costs a company major bucks for that. Maybe you don’t realize what it involves. As an ex manufacturer, I have some understanding of those issues. There is a lot of transport reserved well in advance for a big introduction. If you delay by a month or three, you’re going to pay for that whether you use it or not, and then pay again when you do later. We’re talking international transport, much of it by air. Warehousing costs are involved too. Delaying isn’t simple, and is reserved for major problems, which this wasn’t.
so yes, if Apple did that and said that it was reserved for that function, which would work when the software came out, in an update, I’d be fine with it. I notice that you failed to discuss the delay for portrait mode for the camer, which rendered the tele lens as an afterthought, since it’s quality is too poor to be used for anything else.
Well, it’s here. It’s not like Apple delays features because they aren’t ready. Siri was in beta for about two years, and portrait mode for the + series was delayed too.
seriously, let’s not have such selective memory.
I guess I do have selective memory because I can't think of a single time Apple released a product with a dedicated button that had nary a use because the feature designed for said dedicated button wasn't ready for that market. Was there a country that had a front facing camera that didn't work or a Touch ID button that wasn't functional? Including a beta SW or saying that a SW feature will come later on is very different from including a HW button with no use.
Oh, so now you’re down to one button? A button that will very shortly be used for its function? A function that was its purpose? Are you pretending that the button is useless? Yes, for 90 days, it wasn’t functional. That’s a major issue for you? Is that now the big problem? What about the crippled camera on the iPhone +, when it couldn’t use portrait mode? That doesn’t count? Or how about the two years it took Apple to get maps really working properly?
Well, it’s here. It’s not like Apple delays features because they aren’t ready. Siri was in beta for about two years, and portrait mode for the + series was delayed too.
seriously, let’s not have such selective memory.
I guess I do have selective memory because I can't think of a single time Apple released a product with a dedicated button that had nary a use because the feature designed for said dedicated button wasn't ready for that market. Was there a country that had a front facing camera that didn't work or a Touch ID button that wasn't functional? Including a beta SW or saying that a SW feature will come later on is very different from including a HW button with no use.
Oh, so now you’re down to one button? A button that will very shortly be used for its function? A function that was its purpose? Are you pretending that the button is useless? Yes, for 90 days, it wasn’t functional. That’s a major issue for you? Is that now the big problem? What about the crippled camera on the iPhone +, when it couldn’t use portrait mode? That doesn’t count? Or how about the two years it took Apple to get maps really working properly?
The “Siri Sucks” meme is one of those things that has a life of its own. People without much independent thinking ability hear it repeated a few times and it becomes the truth to them. They start repeating it and so it goes. Suddenly it becomes the politically correct opinion and is defended to the hilt.
Well said. Siri works just fine. My kids used it all the time when we were on vacation. Helped us out a lot!
Well, it’s here. It’s not like Apple delays features because they aren’t ready. Siri was in beta for about two years, and portrait mode for the + series was delayed too.
seriously, let’s not have such selective memory.
I guess I do have selective memory because I can't think of a single time Apple released a product with a dedicated button that had nary a use because the feature designed for said dedicated button wasn't ready for that market. Was there a country that had a front facing camera that didn't work or a Touch ID button that wasn't functional? Including a beta SW or saying that a SW feature will come later on is very different from including a HW button with no use.
Oh, so now you’re down to one button? A button that will very shortly be used for its function? A function that was its purpose? Are you pretending that the button is useless? Yes, for 90 days, it wasn’t functional. That’s a major issue for you? Is that now the big problem? What about the crippled camera on the iPhone +, when it couldn’t use portrait mode? That doesn’t count? Or how about the two years it took Apple to get maps really working properly?
What else does the button do?
It didn’t have to do anything else. It’s for Bixby, which has been announced, and will be here in a few days. Sheesh! I can’t understand why this is such a big deal. I guess it’s because it’s our Apple forum, and there’s so much hate for Samsung here.
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Margaret, start the car.
User: "Hey Bixby, what's the current temperature of the phone?"
Bixby: "Could someone open a window in here?"
you seem focused on that one thing. Why is this such a big deal to you? You realize that without a front home button, the S8 can’t have that button for Bixby, so they put one on the side. We use the home button for Siri as well. What’s going to happen when Apple removes that, supposedly for the iPhone 8? Then we’ll ONLY have the option to use voice, unless Apple does something else, of which we know nothing about right now. You’re saying it’s better to have no option than to have one? Shou,d Apple use a double click on the power button instead. That’s pretty clumsy on the iPad.
i don’t think it would be a big deal if Apple added that button, and the software was delayed. It happens. Delaying a release of an entire device is a major problem. It costs a company major bucks for that. Maybe you don’t realize what it involves. As an ex manufacturer, I have some understanding of those issues. There is a lot of transport reserved well in advance for a big introduction. If you delay by a month or three, you’re going to pay for that whether you use it or not, and then pay again when you do later. We’re talking international transport, much of it by air. Warehousing costs are involved too. Delaying isn’t simple, and is reserved for major problems, which this wasn’t.
so yes, if Apple did that and said that it was reserved for that function, which would work when the software came out, in an update, I’d be fine with it. I notice that you failed to discuss the delay for portrait mode for the camer, which rendered the tele lens as an afterthought, since it’s quality is too poor to be used for anything else.
For 90 days it simulated bubble-wrap bursting...
It didn’t have to do anything else. It’s for Bixby, which has been announced, and will be here in a few days. Sheesh! I can’t understand why this is such a big deal. I guess it’s because it’s our Apple forum, and there’s so much hate for Samsung here.