<strong>can you run SETI in the background like mentioned above...and how do you run folding/seti from the unix command line?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I am not sure about SETI, however for F@H look here for some more information:
Can't you just add the file to the Login Items list? Or a command-line something?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You can if you run the gui version. I am not sure how you would start a CLI app from Login Items. Maybe a cron job, but that goes beyond what I want to setup right now.
There is also Distributed folding. Which is command line only. It's a branch of the whole Folding/Genome project. Team MacNN is currently in 10th place. And with a little bump in production could be up in the 7th or 6th spot.
as always. check out <a href="http://team.macnn.com"; target="_blank">http://team.macnn.com</a>; for up to the minute stats/news and distributed computing questions on SETI@home, RC5 (when it resumes), Folding@home, Distributed Folding, Ubero, and Genome@home
I run SETI@Home (<a href="http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/fcgi-bin/[email protected]&cmd=user_stats_new " target="_blank">my stats</a>) because I like to donate my free but precius idle cycles to a non profit cause. F@H is admirable, but I'm not really happy about contributing for free something that eventually will end up in some researchers pocket. The pharmaceutical industry puts down billions of dollars in reasearch every year just beacause they know that they'll profit greatly once the do find something they can sell. I already contribute very mutch to the search for incurable diseases through taxes and just by beeing a consumer.
So I chose something else.
The search for extra terrestial intelligence is a quest with eventually can put the belief system of the entire human kind on its edge. In essence.. if the SETI-project really do find another intelligence, I'd put that discovery in the same category as really proving God's existense, or a Faster Than Light engine. It'd be the geratest discovery yet.
Instead of curing something witch we know will be curable eventually I chose to search for an answer to a question witch we don't know yet to even have an answer.
If I choose between dying of cancer and contributing to finding out that we're not alone, not unique and proving almost every religion wrong, I'd choose the latter, easily. I'd gladly sacrifice my life just to know wheather we are alone or not.
That's why I contribute with 10-15 WUs every day. All crunched on Macs.
<strong>in the console version...which i like alot btter...how do you check ur progress?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You check the log file. FAHLOG.TXT in your clients folder. It should tell you how far along you are. If it does not give any information you might try turning up the feedback level when you launch the client.
<strong>I run SETI@Home (<a href="http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/fcgi-bin/[email protected]&cmd=user_stats_new " target="_blank">my stats</a>) because I like to donate my free but precius idle cycles to a non profit cause. F@H is admirable, but I'm not really happy about contributing for free something that eventually will end up in some researchers pocket. The pharmaceutical industry puts down billions of dollars in reasearch every year just beacause they know that they'll profit greatly once the do find something they can sell. I already contribute very mutch to the search for incurable diseases through taxes and just by beeing a consumer. <hr></blockquote></strong>
As do the rest of us. However, if you do not believe that S@H is not ending up in some researchers pocket you are sadly mistaken. The folks at SETI are dragging their project out for as long as they can. Tell me, why is SETI not ALTIVEC enabled? Is all that Gaussion blurring and such to hard for Altivec? (Hint, that is what altivec does well, among other things.) Why would they be dragging this out? All the horsepower they need remains untapped because they refuse to enable altivec. Their excuse, bandwidth. Uhh, sure.
[quote]<strong>So I chose something else.
The search for extra terrestial intelligence is a quest with eventually can put the belief system of the entire human kind on its edge. In essence.. if the SETI-project really do find another intelligence, I'd put that discovery in the same category as really proving God's existense, or a Faster Than Light engine. It'd be the geratest discovery yet.<hr></blockquote></strong>
So it is a religious thing for you? No wait, it is science. No religion. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> I do not see how finding aliens would be like proving God or like discovering a faster than light engine. Truly, your logic is really lost on me.
[quote]<strong>Instead of curing something witch we know will be curable eventually I chose to search for an answer to a question witch we don't know yet to even have an answer.<hr></blockquote></strong>
Ok, so instead of finding the answer to something that would help people right now, we should look for the answer to something that won't help anyone possibly ever? Makes sense to me.
[quote]<strong>If I choose between dying of cancer and contributing to finding out that we're not alone, not unique and proving almost every religion wrong, I'd choose the latter, easily. I'd gladly sacrifice my life just to know wheather we are alone or not.
That's why I contribute with 10-15 WUs every day. All crunched on Macs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Now this last part really made no sense. You would sacrifice your life to know whether or not we are alone? And what would that gain you? And how would that prove religion wrong exactly? Which religion specifically says there are no aliens?
I really have no problem with SETI, if that is your bag great. But your post here really does not compute. I have 787 SETI units crunched, and it has gained nothing and will gain nothing, they have had no successes that I am aware of. At least with F@H I do not feel I am not throwing my electricity down a deep dark hole of which there is likely no bottom.
i agree, plus if you are religious, you'd be able to find out all your questions when you die and go to heaven anyways, so why not try to help people live their lives longer on earth and find out answers later
...too much more of this talk and it will go to fireside
I really have no answer to why they don't do any platform specific optimizing. It's not just AltiVec, they don't do any optimizing for any platform. I think it have to do with the integrity of the results recieved from doing the same WU. Floating point operations will result in some differance in the results from different platforms, and there might be to large differences if they involve AltiVec, SSE and other similar techniques. They might be looking for esuring that all computers involved really are doing the same stuff. They have a way of filtering out results witch differ to mutch from the norm to senure that cheating is minimal. If you'd factor in many more uncertain variables, that would make that job mutch harder. It might even make it so hard that the entire task is prolonged.
And.. They have serached about 4% of the sky.. several times already. If they had more computing power, they would've serached that 4% of the sky even more times. They lack funds, so they have been stuck with the Arecibo-telecope witch don't cover more than 4% of the sky. They really don't need more computers doing the same stuff over and over and over again. They need funding so they can get more telescopes online. More telescopes that can cover more of the sky. THEN.. they might need some more computing power. Ane then they might make an effort of making a secure way of using SIMD-units like AltiVec or SSE.
But they havn't done all they can with the data they have, so for now using S@H isn't meaningless.
[quote]I do not see how finding aliens would be like proving God or like discovering a faster than light engine. Truly, your logic is really lost on me.<hr></blockquote>
I didn't say that finding alies would prove God or getting a FTL-engine. The point was that _discovering_ alies would be like _discovering_ the truth of a God's existence or finding an FTL-engine. In my mind the ramifications of such discoveries would be as profound.
[quote]Ok, so instead of finding the answer to something that would help people right now, we should look for the answer to something that won't help anyone possibly ever? Makes sense to me.<hr></blockquote>
It's called curiosity or a sense of discovery. Why on earth did Columbus take the western route to Asia when he just could've take the eastern as usual? Or just stayed at home?
I really would like to know if we are indeed alone, and there is exactly two ways of finding out. 1) They find us and make first contact. 2) We find them first. If neither 1 nor 2 happens, we can never be sure if we are alone. That kind of uncertainty is bothering me.
[quote]You would sacrifice your life to know whether or not we are alone? And what would that gain you?<hr></blockquote>
Yes, gladly and it'd give me knowlege. But.. since I'm happy being alive I try to find an answer without killing myself in the process. After all, it'd be nice to actually live with the knowledge also.
I don't know of any way other that SETI-project that would lead me to an answer. So.. sacrifying my life for that kind of knowledge doesn't seem to be a problem just yet.
[quote]And how would that prove religion wrong exactly? Which religion specifically says there are no aliens?<hr></blockquote>
Most of the jews, christians and muslims do think we are the sole creation of God even if there really is nothing as I recall in their "sources of inspiration" that explicitly say that we are alone. That is certainly the main belief though. It might even be the official belief but then again, the Earth was officially flat a couple of hundred years ago.
Finding hard proof that we arn't alone would poke those officials in the eye quite hard. Just as hard as Galileo did. I'd like to see that.
And.. If you exclude many sub religions that state or hint at we are the children of an extra terrestial culture, the majority of religiuos people does believe that we are alone. I'd like to KNOW if we are, and I'd like som other proof than some book written thousands of years ago without any means of verification. Or.. some book written by some one man seeking fame and/or money. And again, without any means of verification.
I'd like to know.
[quote]I have 787 SETI units crunched, and it has gained nothing and will gain nothing, they have had no successes that I am aware of.<hr></blockquote>
If the SETI-project did find anything soon I'd be really amazed. The whole task is daunting and if it's too much for you, I don't hold it against you. If the scope is too large for you I really think that you should concentrate on something smaller in scale, something you can grasp, something you can find comfort in. It seems fair.
This is about donating stuff. I'd rather donate something to a task witch starve for resuorces rather than a task witch recieve billions of dollars each year, and eventually will bring even more dollars into some one elses pocket. The researchers ain't doing it because they are nice guys, hey are doing it because it's thier way of making money. Just like you accuse the SETI-reserachers for dragging out the process, I can accuse the medical researches for wasting valuable money in projects witch won't add much to human kind but more money in their pockets.
The SETI guys sure ain't getting any money, and they won't get any if they indeed are successful at their job.
[quote]At least with F@H I do not feel I am not throwing my electricity down a deep dark hole of which there is likely no bottom.<hr></blockquote>
Folding proteins sound like a good idea, but from what I've seen they are far from making any progress that would benefit anyone acualy beeing sick. And it's not even their goal. They are doing basic research that might be useful, but then again, it might not, they don't know. That big black hole of yours.. if there is a bottom or not in either hole it's just a matter om perception. the bottom of my hole probably lies very deep, but if I and others don't contribute, it lies even deeper.
I don't believe I know, so it's not religion. I believe that I don't know, that's the problem. I don't care if it takes 50 och 100 years, but I'd like to know before I die.
<strong>I really have no answer to why they don't do any platform specific optimizing. It's not just AltiVec, they don't do any optimizing for any platform. I think it have to do with the integrity of the results recieved from doing the same WU. Floating point operations will result in some differance in the results from different platforms, and there might be to large differences if they involve AltiVec, SSE and other similar techniques. They might be looking for esuring that all computers involved really are doing the same stuff. They have a way of filtering out results witch differ to mutch from the norm to senure that cheating is minimal. If you'd factor in many more uncertain variables, that would make that job mutch harder. It might even make it so hard that the entire task is prolonged.<hr></blockquote></strong>
Any tech heads in here care to answer this. Will using altivec actually kill the accuracy of SETI? I am willing to go with the answer of no, right out of the gate. Genentech is one reason that comes to mind. But I could be wrong. I think it comes down to more of the second part of your first answer. Read on.
[quote]<strong>And.. They have serached about 4% of the sky.. several times already. If they had more computing power, they would've serached that 4% of the sky even more times. They lack funds, so they have been stuck with the Arecibo-telecope witch don't cover more than 4% of the sky. They really don't need more computers doing the same stuff over and over and over again. They need funding so they can get more telescopes online. More telescopes that can cover more of the sky. THEN.. they might need some more computing power. Ane then they might make an effort of making a secure way of using SIMD-units like AltiVec or SSE.<hr></blockquote></strong>
Ok, so you say that they can only cover about 4% of the sky. That is fine, but since the earth Rotates on its axis and orbits around the sun that 4% should change from time to time I would think, it is not like they are limited to looking at the constellation of Orion day after day. And besides, you are telling me that they have not even finished analyzing the data they have. As faster, stronger processors come out with more brute force the SETI team tacks on more strict protocols for when to search and what signals to ignore or not. If they brought SIMD and SSE online all they would have to do is add a few more routines and they would still be taking 8-20 hours to complete the work units, however, they would get more information out of them.
[quote]<strong>I didn't say that finding alies would prove God or getting a FTL-engine. The point was that _discovering_ alies would be like _discovering_ the truth of a God's existence or finding an FTL-engine. In my mind the ramifications of such discoveries would be as profound.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Read my question again, you simply repeated what I asked you and pretended like I did not put the word LIKE in it.
I do not see how finding aliens would be like proving God or like discovering a faster than light engine. Truly, your logic is really lost on me.
How would the ramifications be profound? I bet that about 50% of the people on earth believe we are not alone out here. The other 50% don't believe that, but of them less than half would have their world view shattered if we found aliens. I am in the second part. I do not believe that there are aliens, but if we find some it would be a pleasant suprise. And it would not make me question whether God exists or not. And how would it be profound like finding a FTL engine? What would it get us even in the long term? The only thing you might find is an increased interest in the space program and additional funding. But then you would be where we are with protein folding research.
Your quote:
This is about donating stuff. I'd rather donate something to a task witch starve for resuorces rather than a task witch recieve billions of dollars each year, and eventually will bring even more dollars into some one elses pocket. The researchers ain't doing it because they are nice guys, hey are doing it because it's thier way of making money.
So if we find ET and they get all their funding and start becomning rich off of it, will you pull out then? It has nothing to do with money, because I bet your answer is no.
[quote]<strong>If the SETI-project did find anything soon I'd be really amazed. The whole task is daunting and if it's too much for you, I don't hold it against you. If the scope is too large for you I really think that you should concentrate on something smaller in scale, something you can grasp, something you can find comfort in. It seems fair.<hr></blockquote></strong>
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<strong>can you run SETI in the background like mentioned above...and how do you run folding/seti from the unix command line?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I am not sure about SETI, however for F@H look here for some more information:
<a href="http://folding.stanford.edu/console-userguide.html"; target="_blank">http://folding.stanford.edu/console-userguide.html</a>;
<a href="http://folding.stanford.edu/OSX/OSX.html#console"; target="_blank">http://folding.stanford.edu/OSX/OSX.html#console</a>;
and then if you are still confused ask a specific question of me or look here and ask these guys:
<a href="http://forum.folding-community.org/"; target="_blank">http://forum.folding-community.org/</a>;
The guy who wrote folding actually answers questions there.
renice: 10: getpriority: No such process
[Dan-Computer:~] ast3r3x%
i did 'ps aux' and the PID was 430, isn't that the process number, but i still get this error, any idea?
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What is your username on the team? I will be looking for you.
Shawnjoyce I think? I'm at 14% on that same protein.
Originally posted by ast3r3x:
<strong>[Dan-NoneOfYourBusiness-Computer:~] ast3r3x% sudo renice 430 10
renice: 10: getpriority: No such process
[Dan-Sweigarts-Computer:~] ast3r3x%
i did 'ps aux' and the PID was 430, isn't that the process number, but i still get this error, any idea?</strong><hr>
Yeah, my bad. try:
sudo renice 10 430
Sorry. <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" />
You have to sart it from the terminal (Unless someone here could write us up a nice applescript to start it
Can't you just add the file to the Login Items list? Or a command-line something?
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Can't you just add the file to the Login Items list? Or a command-line something?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You can if you run the gui version. I am not sure how you would start a CLI app from Login Items. Maybe a cron job, but that goes beyond what I want to setup right now.
you can join Team MacNN (team # 16) :
OR...
There is also Distributed folding. Which is command line only. It's a branch of the whole Folding/Genome project. Team MacNN is currently in 10th place. And with a little bump in production could be up in the 7th or 6th spot.
<a href="http://www.distributedfolding.org/"; target="_blank">http://www.distributedfolding.org/</a>;
as always. check out <a href="http://team.macnn.com"; target="_blank">http://team.macnn.com</a>; for up to the minute stats/news and distributed computing questions on SETI@home, RC5 (when it resumes), Folding@home, Distributed Folding, Ubero, and Genome@home
happy crunching!
<strong>hey i got the screensaver version, very cool, now i feel all do-goodfull.</strong><hr></blockquote>
haha do-goodfull
why don't you guys create your own team?
Team AppleInsider?
<strong>teams can't merge...
why don't you guys create your own team?
Team AppleInsider?</strong><hr></blockquote>
just look by operating system if you want to see how we do compared to others
So I chose something else.
The search for extra terrestial intelligence is a quest with eventually can put the belief system of the entire human kind on its edge. In essence.. if the SETI-project really do find another intelligence, I'd put that discovery in the same category as really proving God's existense, or a Faster Than Light engine. It'd be the geratest discovery yet.
Instead of curing something witch we know will be curable eventually I chose to search for an answer to a question witch we don't know yet to even have an answer.
If I choose between dying of cancer and contributing to finding out that we're not alone, not unique and proving almost every religion wrong, I'd choose the latter, easily. I'd gladly sacrifice my life just to know wheather we are alone or not.
That's why I contribute with 10-15 WUs every day. All crunched on Macs.
<strong>in the console version...which i like alot btter...how do you check ur progress?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You check the log file. FAHLOG.TXT in your clients folder. It should tell you how far along you are. If it does not give any information you might try turning up the feedback level when you launch the client.
<strong>I run SETI@Home (<a href="http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/fcgi-bin/[email protected]&cmd=user_stats_new " target="_blank">my stats</a>) because I like to donate my free but precius idle cycles to a non profit cause. F@H is admirable, but I'm not really happy about contributing for free something that eventually will end up in some researchers pocket. The pharmaceutical industry puts down billions of dollars in reasearch every year just beacause they know that they'll profit greatly once the do find something they can sell. I already contribute very mutch to the search for incurable diseases through taxes and just by beeing a consumer. <hr></blockquote></strong>
As do the rest of us. However, if you do not believe that S@H is not ending up in some researchers pocket you are sadly mistaken. The folks at SETI are dragging their project out for as long as they can. Tell me, why is SETI not ALTIVEC enabled? Is all that Gaussion blurring and such to hard for Altivec? (Hint, that is what altivec does well, among other things.) Why would they be dragging this out? All the horsepower they need remains untapped because they refuse to enable altivec. Their excuse, bandwidth. Uhh, sure.
[quote]<strong>So I chose something else.
The search for extra terrestial intelligence is a quest with eventually can put the belief system of the entire human kind on its edge. In essence.. if the SETI-project really do find another intelligence, I'd put that discovery in the same category as really proving God's existense, or a Faster Than Light engine. It'd be the geratest discovery yet.<hr></blockquote></strong>
So it is a religious thing for you? No wait, it is science. No religion. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> I do not see how finding aliens would be like proving God or like discovering a faster than light engine. Truly, your logic is really lost on me.
[quote]<strong>Instead of curing something witch we know will be curable eventually I chose to search for an answer to a question witch we don't know yet to even have an answer.<hr></blockquote></strong>
Ok, so instead of finding the answer to something that would help people right now, we should look for the answer to something that won't help anyone possibly ever? Makes sense to me.
[quote]<strong>If I choose between dying of cancer and contributing to finding out that we're not alone, not unique and proving almost every religion wrong, I'd choose the latter, easily. I'd gladly sacrifice my life just to know wheather we are alone or not.
That's why I contribute with 10-15 WUs every day. All crunched on Macs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Now this last part really made no sense. You would sacrifice your life to know whether or not we are alone? And what would that gain you? And how would that prove religion wrong exactly? Which religion specifically says there are no aliens?
I really have no problem with SETI, if that is your bag great. But your post here really does not compute. I have 787 SETI units crunched, and it has gained nothing and will gain nothing, they have had no successes that I am aware of. At least with F@H I do not feel I am not throwing my electricity down a deep dark hole of which there is likely no bottom.
...too much more of this talk and it will go to fireside
And.. They have serached about 4% of the sky.. several times already. If they had more computing power, they would've serached that 4% of the sky even more times. They lack funds, so they have been stuck with the Arecibo-telecope witch don't cover more than 4% of the sky. They really don't need more computers doing the same stuff over and over and over again. They need funding so they can get more telescopes online. More telescopes that can cover more of the sky. THEN.. they might need some more computing power. Ane then they might make an effort of making a secure way of using SIMD-units like AltiVec or SSE.
But they havn't done all they can with the data they have, so for now using S@H isn't meaningless.
[quote]I do not see how finding aliens would be like proving God or like discovering a faster than light engine. Truly, your logic is really lost on me.<hr></blockquote>
I didn't say that finding alies would prove God or getting a FTL-engine. The point was that _discovering_ alies would be like _discovering_ the truth of a God's existence or finding an FTL-engine. In my mind the ramifications of such discoveries would be as profound.
[quote]Ok, so instead of finding the answer to something that would help people right now, we should look for the answer to something that won't help anyone possibly ever? Makes sense to me.<hr></blockquote>
It's called curiosity or a sense of discovery. Why on earth did Columbus take the western route to Asia when he just could've take the eastern as usual? Or just stayed at home?
I really would like to know if we are indeed alone, and there is exactly two ways of finding out. 1) They find us and make first contact. 2) We find them first. If neither 1 nor 2 happens, we can never be sure if we are alone. That kind of uncertainty is bothering me.
[quote]You would sacrifice your life to know whether or not we are alone? And what would that gain you?<hr></blockquote>
Yes, gladly and it'd give me knowlege. But.. since I'm happy being alive I try to find an answer without killing myself in the process. After all, it'd be nice to actually live with the knowledge also.
I don't know of any way other that SETI-project that would lead me to an answer. So.. sacrifying my life for that kind of knowledge doesn't seem to be a problem just yet.
[quote]And how would that prove religion wrong exactly? Which religion specifically says there are no aliens?<hr></blockquote>
Most of the jews, christians and muslims do think we are the sole creation of God even if there really is nothing as I recall in their "sources of inspiration" that explicitly say that we are alone. That is certainly the main belief though. It might even be the official belief but then again, the Earth was officially flat a couple of hundred years ago.
Finding hard proof that we arn't alone would poke those officials in the eye quite hard. Just as hard as Galileo did. I'd like to see that.
And.. If you exclude many sub religions that state or hint at we are the children of an extra terrestial culture, the majority of religiuos people does believe that we are alone. I'd like to KNOW if we are, and I'd like som other proof than some book written thousands of years ago without any means of verification. Or.. some book written by some one man seeking fame and/or money. And again, without any means of verification.
I'd like to know.
[quote]I have 787 SETI units crunched, and it has gained nothing and will gain nothing, they have had no successes that I am aware of.<hr></blockquote>
If the SETI-project did find anything soon I'd be really amazed. The whole task is daunting and if it's too much for you, I don't hold it against you. If the scope is too large for you I really think that you should concentrate on something smaller in scale, something you can grasp, something you can find comfort in. It seems fair.
This is about donating stuff. I'd rather donate something to a task witch starve for resuorces rather than a task witch recieve billions of dollars each year, and eventually will bring even more dollars into some one elses pocket. The researchers ain't doing it because they are nice guys, hey are doing it because it's thier way of making money. Just like you accuse the SETI-reserachers for dragging out the process, I can accuse the medical researches for wasting valuable money in projects witch won't add much to human kind but more money in their pockets.
The SETI guys sure ain't getting any money, and they won't get any if they indeed are successful at their job.
[quote]At least with F@H I do not feel I am not throwing my electricity down a deep dark hole of which there is likely no bottom.<hr></blockquote>
Folding proteins sound like a good idea, but from what I've seen they are far from making any progress that would benefit anyone acualy beeing sick. And it's not even their goal. They are doing basic research that might be useful, but then again, it might not, they don't know. That big black hole of yours.. if there is a bottom or not in either hole it's just a matter om perception. the bottom of my hole probably lies very deep, but if I and others don't contribute, it lies even deeper.
I don't believe I know, so it's not religion. I believe that I don't know, that's the problem. I don't care if it takes 50 och 100 years, but I'd like to know before I die.
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<strong>I really have no answer to why they don't do any platform specific optimizing. It's not just AltiVec, they don't do any optimizing for any platform. I think it have to do with the integrity of the results recieved from doing the same WU. Floating point operations will result in some differance in the results from different platforms, and there might be to large differences if they involve AltiVec, SSE and other similar techniques. They might be looking for esuring that all computers involved really are doing the same stuff. They have a way of filtering out results witch differ to mutch from the norm to senure that cheating is minimal. If you'd factor in many more uncertain variables, that would make that job mutch harder. It might even make it so hard that the entire task is prolonged.<hr></blockquote></strong>
Any tech heads in here care to answer this. Will using altivec actually kill the accuracy of SETI? I am willing to go with the answer of no, right out of the gate. Genentech is one reason that comes to mind. But I could be wrong. I think it comes down to more of the second part of your first answer. Read on.
[quote]<strong>And.. They have serached about 4% of the sky.. several times already. If they had more computing power, they would've serached that 4% of the sky even more times. They lack funds, so they have been stuck with the Arecibo-telecope witch don't cover more than 4% of the sky. They really don't need more computers doing the same stuff over and over and over again. They need funding so they can get more telescopes online. More telescopes that can cover more of the sky. THEN.. they might need some more computing power. Ane then they might make an effort of making a secure way of using SIMD-units like AltiVec or SSE.<hr></blockquote></strong>
Ok, so you say that they can only cover about 4% of the sky. That is fine, but since the earth Rotates on its axis and orbits around the sun that 4% should change from time to time I would think, it is not like they are limited to looking at the constellation of Orion day after day. And besides, you are telling me that they have not even finished analyzing the data they have. As faster, stronger processors come out with more brute force the SETI team tacks on more strict protocols for when to search and what signals to ignore or not. If they brought SIMD and SSE online all they would have to do is add a few more routines and they would still be taking 8-20 hours to complete the work units, however, they would get more information out of them.
[quote]<strong>I didn't say that finding alies would prove God or getting a FTL-engine. The point was that _discovering_ alies would be like _discovering_ the truth of a God's existence or finding an FTL-engine. In my mind the ramifications of such discoveries would be as profound.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Read my question again, you simply repeated what I asked you and pretended like I did not put the word LIKE in it.
I do not see how finding aliens would be like proving God or like discovering a faster than light engine. Truly, your logic is really lost on me.
How would the ramifications be profound? I bet that about 50% of the people on earth believe we are not alone out here. The other 50% don't believe that, but of them less than half would have their world view shattered if we found aliens. I am in the second part. I do not believe that there are aliens, but if we find some it would be a pleasant suprise. And it would not make me question whether God exists or not. And how would it be profound like finding a FTL engine? What would it get us even in the long term? The only thing you might find is an increased interest in the space program and additional funding. But then you would be where we are with protein folding research.
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This is about donating stuff. I'd rather donate something to a task witch starve for resuorces rather than a task witch recieve billions of dollars each year, and eventually will bring even more dollars into some one elses pocket. The researchers ain't doing it because they are nice guys, hey are doing it because it's thier way of making money.
So if we find ET and they get all their funding and start becomning rich off of it, will you pull out then? It has nothing to do with money, because I bet your answer is no.
[quote]<strong>If the SETI-project did find anything soon I'd be really amazed. The whole task is daunting and if it's too much for you, I don't hold it against you. If the scope is too large for you I really think that you should concentrate on something smaller in scale, something you can grasp, something you can find comfort in. It seems fair.<hr></blockquote></strong>
Please don't patronzie me. I really hate that.