It's amazing how they need to have so much RAM and it doesn't even run as fast or as efficient as an iOS device with half the RAM.
that is because Android and those great developers at Google do not understand proper memory management. This is what happen when the people writing the code do not understand hardware. From their point of view just add more memory to fix their lack of programing skills.
I don't think there is a lack in Google's programming skills. It is more like a business decision made by management to build the foundation of Android with some hybrid of Linux and Java-like IDE and runtime environments in order to avoiding paying royalties. They didn't care to reinvent the wheel, which is probably why they also mimicked the iPhone look and feel. Makes perfect sense when you think about it, especially when their sole purpose was to monetize it with advertising and data collection and give it away for free. From their perspective, why put in more effort than necessary?
The article doesn't mention the battery life though. As we all know, the more RAM you have lit up, the more drain there is on the battery.
IMO the Note serves little purpose anymore and certainly not worth $250 more than the Galaxy 8+ which has a display only 1/10th of inch smaller and otherwise has all the same general functions and mostly the same hardware.
I think the so called iPhone 8 or Pro or edition or whatever the hell they are going to call it with its 5.8 inch screen size is ideal. Nothing bigger. I can't believe that the iPhone 8 ( for the sake of arguement ) at 5.8 inches is actually narrower than the 7 and future 7s Plus. That to me is amazing, but a phone like Sammys with a screen size of over 6 inches is like holding a iPad mini up to your head. This company tries so hard to 1 up apple in design and ship dates and cost that they forget about updating software. Only now from what I have read in threads posted in AppleInsider that they are starting to make updates more frequent. We'll see what the numbers will bring both in sales and in Geekbench scores when the new editions of iPhone comes out. Eagerly awaiting any day now for an announcement from the folks in Cupertino. Either will be taking a personal day or streaming on my rusty trusty 6s on the event day.
What is the size of this Note compared to iPhone 7 Plus? Anyone know?
Physically they are very close. Held one today and it is almost identical width and just a small but taller. My 7 Plus was in a case so it wasn’t an exact comparison
IMO the Note serves little purpose anymore and certainly not worth $250 more than the Galaxy 8+ which has a display only 1/10th of inch smaller and otherwise has all the same general functions and mostly the same hardware.
I agree, what's the difference between the s8+ and the note 8? Practically same size. Just has a stylus...
IMO the Note serves little purpose anymore and certainly not worth $250 more than the Galaxy 8+ which has a display only 1/10th of inch smaller and otherwise has all the same general functions and mostly the same hardware.
I agree, what's the difference between the s8+ and the note 8? Practically same size. Just has a stylus...
You both couldn't be more wrong!!! Stylus has a huge appeal for Samsung Note fans. Even though the Samsung Note users are a niche group, they are equally loyal to Samsung like iPhone users are to Apple. Stylus plays a HUGE role in the appeal of Notes to its owners.
It's amazing how they need to have so much RAM and it doesn't even run as fast or as efficient as an iOS device with half the RAM.
that is because Android and those great developers at Google do not understand proper memory management. This is what happen when the people writing the code do not understand hardware. From their point of view just add more memory to fix their lack of programing skills.
You are completely wrong. Blame it on Samsung, not on Google. It is Touchwiz/GraceUX (or whatever it is called) which brings bad reputation to Android due to poor RAM management. Unfortunately Samsung is more popular worldwide than Sony/HTC/Motorola whose Android phones DO NOT have any of the performance issues observed in Samsung phones. Stock/Near Stock Android does NOT have ANY problems related to memory management.
How "modern" is using an adaptor when you want to use "high quality" headphone AND charge the phone at the same time? Don't tell that wireless headphones provide "high quality audio". They are average, at best. Or for that matter, the lightning headphones bundled with the iPhones is also NOT "high quality audio" one. If aspiring to "high quality" is "old fashioned" and aspiring for "mediocrity" is modern, I would prefer to be "old fashioned" than modern.
The right approach would have been to "wait" until "wireless" audio technology matures into a high-quality one and then replace the wired one with wireless one. Replacing "high quality" audio with "low quality" audio for financial reasons is NOT progress. It is regressive. Another point - high number of sales is NOT a proof that it is the "right" decision. High sales is "despite" this decision (with all other points coming into picture), not "because" of this decision.
How conveniently they forgot "HTC One M8", the first phone to have "dual cameras"? If anyone can mock others for being late to dual camera party, it is HTC, not Huawei.
Another point - Samsung Galaxy Note is a "niche" product anyway, not a mainstream one like the "S" series phones. It is sheer waste of time for LG/Huawei to target Galaxy Notes in their marketing campaign. If they have real guts, they should target the big fish - iPhones.
It's amazing how they need to have so much RAM and it doesn't even run as fast or as efficient as an iOS device with half the RAM.
that is because Android and those great developers at Google do not understand proper memory management. This is what happen when the people writing the code do not understand hardware. From their point of view just add more memory to fix their lack of programing skills.
I don't think there is a lack in Google's programming skills. It is more like a business decision made by management to build the foundation of Android with some hybrid of Linux and Java-like IDE and runtime environments in order to avoiding paying royalties. They didn't care to reinvent the wheel, which is probably why they also mimicked the iPhone look and feel. Makes perfect sense when you think about it, especially when their sole purpose was to monetize it with advertising and data collection and give it away for free. From their perspective, why put in more effort than necessary?
The article doesn't mention the battery life though. As we all know, the more RAM you have lit up, the more drain there is on the battery.
That line highlighted is BS. The main battery drainers in a phone are i) Display ii) SoC. Then there are badly written Apps which drains your battery fast. Battery drain is the last thing to be considered while deciding the amount of RAM in a phone. Cost is a primary factor, planned obsolescence (avoid future proofing) is another factor for putting low RAM in a phone.
How conveniently they forgot "HTC One M8", the first phone to have "dual cameras"? If anyone can mock others for being late to dual camera party, it is HTC, not Huawei.
Another point - Samsung Galaxy Note is a "niche" product anyway, not a mainstream one like the "S" series phones. It is sheer waste of time for LG/Huawei to target Galaxy Notes in their marketing campaign. If they have real guts, they should target the big fish - iPhones.
As I said, light hearted . This is simple brinkmanship. As for iPhone, this image is in fact the continuation of the original tweeted image targeted at the first iPhone with dual camera.
In terms of brinkmanship, who came first is irrelevant as long as who you are poking came after you.
That sounds like a REALLY great piece of hardware -- much better than the iPhone 8! ... Can I get it with IOS 11 and the Apple ecosystem preloaded?
Not sure I agree with your "much better hardware than iPhone 8" statement. For one, iPhone 8/Pro is NOT yet launched. So we don't know what are all the hardware features in iPhone Pro are going to be (Pro is what I would like to call it, not 8). Even going by rumors,
i) iPhone Pro will definitely have a significantly better SoC.
ii) Better design (particularly the FPS location design defect which is carried over from S8 generation to Note 8, which Apple will NEVER do).
iii) Storage - Apple's NVME implementation is far better than Samsung's UFS 2.1.
iv) RAM - Yes, Samsung has an advantage here. But Samsung immediately loses that advantage by lousy RAM management in software. This is the main reason why you wished for iOS in this phone, instead of GraceUX.
v) Camera - Not sure. Even if one phone has an advantage over the other, it is miniscule at best in the bigger picture. So we can ignore this as an advantage/disadvantage.
vi) Audio hardware - Again Not sure. If it were comparison with HTC, I would have definitely said "Yes" as advantage to the HTC phone over ANY other phone including iPhones. Not so with Samsung.
vii) Display - The most important thing, again there is NO evidence to suggest iPhone Pro would have an inferior display compared to Samsung Galaxy Note 8. There is a chance iPhone Pro would have a "better" display than Note 8, particularly because of 120Hz refresh rate in iPhone Pro's display.
Regarding the second point - Not in 2017!!! May be 2117 or 3017, who knows? More realistically, it would help IF it came with stock Android but that is NOT an option for Notes due to S-Pen functionality and Google is NOT in a hurry to include this "niche" feature in stock Android. So the Samsung Note users would need to put up with Samsung's inefficient Touchwiz/GraceUX. Other option is - Apple to support Pencil in iPhone Pro as an accessory. That would be a real alternative to Samsung Notes.
That sounds like a REALLY great piece of hardware -- much better than the iPhone 8! ... Can I get it with IOS 11 and the Apple ecosystem preloaded?
Not sure I agree with your "much better hardware than iPhone 8" statement. For one, iPhone 8/Pro is NOT yet launched. So we don't know what are all the hardware features in iPhone Pro are going to be (Pro is what I would like to call it, not 8). Even going by rumors,
i) iPhone Pro will definitely have a significantly better SoC.
ii) Better design (particularly the FPS location design defect which is carried over from S8 generation to Note 8, which Apple will NEVER do).
iii) Storage - Apple's NVME implementation is far better than Samsung's UFS 2.1.
iv) RAM - Yes, Samsung has an advantage here. But Samsung immediately loses that advantage by lousy RAM management in software. This is the main reason why you wished for iOS in this phone, instead of GraceUX.
v) Camera - Not sure. Even if one phone has an advantage over the other, it is miniscule at best in the bigger picture. So we can ignore this as an advantage/disadvantage.
vi) Audio hardware - Again Not sure. If it were comparison with HTC, I would have definitely said "Yes" as advantage to the HTC phone over ANY other phone including iPhones. Not so with Samsung.
vii) Display - The most important thing, again there is NO evidence to suggest iPhone Pro would have an inferior display compared to Samsung Galaxy Note 8. There is a chance iPhone Pro would have a "better" display than Note 8, particularly because of 120Hz refresh rate in iPhone Pro's display.
Regarding the second point - Not in 2017!!! May be 2117 or 3017, who knows? More realistically, it would help IF it came with stock Android but that is NOT an option for Notes due to S-Pen functionality and Google is NOT in a hurry to include this "niche" feature in stock Android. So the Samsung Note users would need to put up with Samsung's inefficient Touchwiz/GraceUX. Other option is - Apple to support Pencil in iPhone Pro as an accessory. That would be a real alternative to Samsung Notes.
Good Points All! Well, except... ... The one about my liking IOS 11 because of its RAM management. While IOS does have better RAM management and general, overall efficiency, that's not the (only) reason I prefer it. The real "reason" is about a billion minor little details that Apple paid attention to that make it "just work" -- PLUS, (and possibly mainly) the Apple Ecosystem that supports the whole thing....
But, perhaps the real point here is: Samsung, along with most electronics vendors, tend to come out with a few splashy, headline grabbing features that say: "This is a product you HAVE to buy!". Meanwhile, in an Apple product such as the iPhone, there is seldom any one special standout feature*. Rather, it is a homogenous blend of multiple features you hardly notice that just make the product as a whole so great that you just "have to buy it".
* While it is true that during the keynote presentation Apple will highlight the new features in their updated product, a month or two later, most people will have forgotten and those great new features have simply blended in to become part of the product.
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The article doesn't mention the battery life though. As we all know, the more RAM you have lit up, the more drain there is on the battery.
This company tries so hard to 1 up apple in design and ship dates and cost that they forget about updating software. Only now from what I have read in threads posted in AppleInsider that they are starting to make updates more frequent. We'll see what the numbers will bring both in sales and in Geekbench scores when the new editions of iPhone comes out. Eagerly awaiting any day now for an announcement from the folks in Cupertino. Either will be taking a personal day or streaming on my rusty trusty 6s on the event day.
Strange way to charge. Fact
Doesnt really matter. Fact
How "modern" is using an adaptor when you want to use "high quality" headphone AND charge the phone at the same time? Don't tell that wireless headphones provide "high quality audio". They are average, at best. Or for that matter, the lightning headphones bundled with the iPhones is also NOT "high quality audio" one. If aspiring to "high quality" is "old fashioned" and aspiring for "mediocrity" is modern, I would prefer to be "old fashioned" than modern.
The right approach would have been to "wait" until "wireless" audio technology matures into a high-quality one and then replace the wired one with wireless one. Replacing "high quality" audio with "low quality" audio for financial reasons is NOT progress. It is regressive. Another point - high number of sales is NOT a proof that it is the "right" decision. High sales is "despite" this decision (with all other points coming into picture), not "because" of this decision.
https://ausdroid.net/2017/08/24/huawei-leak-mate-10-image-welcome-message-samsung/ ;
"Beyond the Galaxy"
Competition is heating up.
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How conveniently they forgot "HTC One M8", the first phone to have "dual cameras"? If anyone can mock others for being late to dual camera party, it is HTC, not Huawei.
Another point - Samsung Galaxy Note is a "niche" product anyway, not a mainstream one like the "S" series phones. It is sheer waste of time for LG/Huawei to target Galaxy Notes in their marketing campaign. If they have real guts, they should target the big fish - iPhones.
... Can I get it with IOS 11 and the Apple ecosystem preloaded?
In terms of brinkmanship, who came first is irrelevant as long as who you are poking came after you.
Not sure I agree with your "much better hardware than iPhone 8" statement. For one, iPhone 8/Pro is NOT yet launched. So we don't know what are all the hardware features in iPhone Pro are going to be (Pro is what I would like to call it, not 8). Even going by rumors,
i) iPhone Pro will definitely have a significantly better SoC.
ii) Better design (particularly the FPS location design defect which is carried over from S8 generation to Note 8, which Apple will NEVER do).
iii) Storage - Apple's NVME implementation is far better than Samsung's UFS 2.1.
iv) RAM - Yes, Samsung has an advantage here. But Samsung immediately loses that advantage by lousy RAM management in software. This is the main reason why you wished for iOS in this phone, instead of GraceUX.
v) Camera - Not sure. Even if one phone has an advantage over the other, it is miniscule at best in the bigger picture. So we can ignore this as an advantage/disadvantage.
vi) Audio hardware - Again Not sure. If it were comparison with HTC, I would have definitely said "Yes" as advantage to the HTC phone over ANY other phone including iPhones. Not so with Samsung.
vii) Display - The most important thing, again there is NO evidence to suggest iPhone Pro would have an inferior display compared to Samsung Galaxy Note 8. There is a chance iPhone Pro would have a "better" display than Note 8, particularly because of 120Hz refresh rate in iPhone Pro's display.
Regarding the second point - Not in 2017!!! May be 2117 or 3017, who knows? More realistically, it would help IF it came with stock Android but that is NOT an option for Notes due to S-Pen functionality and Google is NOT in a hurry to include this "niche" feature in stock Android. So the Samsung Note users would need to put up with Samsung's inefficient Touchwiz/GraceUX. Other option is - Apple to support Pencil in iPhone Pro as an accessory. That would be a real alternative to Samsung Notes.
Well, except...
... The one about my liking IOS 11 because of its RAM management. While IOS does have better RAM management and general, overall efficiency, that's not the (only) reason I prefer it. The real "reason" is about a billion minor little details that Apple paid attention to that make it "just work" -- PLUS, (and possibly mainly) the Apple Ecosystem that supports the whole thing....
But, perhaps the real point here is: Samsung, along with most electronics vendors, tend to come out with a few splashy, headline grabbing features that say: "This is a product you HAVE to buy!". Meanwhile, in an Apple product such as the iPhone, there is seldom any one special standout feature*. Rather, it is a homogenous blend of multiple features you hardly notice that just make the product as a whole so great that you just "have to buy it".
* While it is true that during the keynote presentation Apple will highlight the new features in their updated product, a month or two later, most people will have forgotten and those great new features have simply blended in to become part of the product.