Apple said to unveil 'iPhone 8,' 'iPhone 7s' and more at Sept. 12 event

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  • Reply 121 of 125
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member

    gatorguy said:
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    sog35 said:
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    lkrupp said:

    melgross said:
    If true, I wonder why Apple isn’t going to use level 2 wireless charging, at 15 watts, rather than level 1 charging, at 7.5 watts. I can say for certain that my 7+ charges a lot faster using a 12 watt iPad charger than the measly 5 watt charger that comes with it. It even charges a bit faster using the 29 watt Macbook charger that I bought as the primary charger for my iPad Pro 12.9”, which charges a lot faster with that than the 12 watt charger.

    i hope Apple is giving up on those old chargers this year. The iPhone really needs at least an 8 watt charger, and the iPad Pro 12.9”, a 16 watt model.
    Well unless you are a power engineer I don't think we know why Apple chose the lower standard (if they did, it's just a rumor for now). Of course this will be touted by the haters, if true, as some failure on Apple's part. But apparently Apple doesn't care one bit about what there haters say, or what some users say when they don't know why something is happening.
    That’s just making excuses. And I designed a fair amount of electronics professionally. I understand power as well as most anyone.

    the point is that the standard Apple is using has two levels. Obviously, Apple made a decision here, it wasn’t random. I’m questioning why they made that decision. Some flagship Android phones are using level 2. Since the iPhone can easily charge with chargers higher than 15 watts without any problems, it’s a valid question as to why Apple went with the lower number, assuming that it’s correct, as I said in my other post. I would be happy if it was incorrect.

    but Apple’s devices are known for slow charging times with the supplied chargers. That’s nothing new. Just look at the review comparisons at the sites that do that.
    another clueless person who thinks they can engineer iPhones better than Apple......
    Oh please, your post shows that you are far more clueless than I am. You think, like a fanboy, where everything Apple does is always the best, and that every decision is always the right one, no matter what.

    i’m questioning why they did it, because the phones can obviously charge at much higher rates. It’s a very fair question to,ask.

    what’s not fair is people who know nothing, attacking me for asking it.,
     I flagged you for calling him a fanboy. That’s a stupid ad hominem fallacy/attack. Didnt you used to be a mod here? And you’re going to call people fanboys?
    Read his post again. He did not call him a fanboy.

    IMO you're being too touchy and unnecessarily aggressive. I completely understand the succinct point Mel was making but that you might be missing even if I might personally have worded it differently. Read the post he was replying to before accusing Mel of initiating a personal attack.
    Disagree. He called him a fanboy in the same way that if one were to say "Only a complete fucking moron thinks [insert something you think]". Sure, they didn't technically call you a moron, but essentially they did. You're splitting hairs. He even said in another post he called him a fanboy but that he does so rarely.

    As for suggesting I'm being overly aggressive, this is nonsense. I've just butted heads with you enough times on your Google agenda that you now look for opportunities to cast in that light. It's your thing here.
    You are now becoming really annoying. You are taking something that was said between two people who know each other pretty well here, and blowing it way out of proportion. It’s not even your business to get between two other people in this way. And don’t ascribe to me, what you interpret. You’ve been getting everything I’ve been saying here wrong so far, and this is no different.
  • Reply 122 of 125
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member

    sog35 said:
    melgross said:

    Soli said:
    melgross said:

    melgross said:
    sog35 said:
    melgross said:
    lkrupp said:

    melgross said:
    If true, I wonder why Apple isn’t going to use level 2 wireless charging, at 15 watts, rather than level 1 charging, at 7.5 watts. I can say for certain that my 7+ charges a lot faster using a 12 watt iPad charger than the measly 5 watt charger that comes with it. It even charges a bit faster using the 29 watt Macbook charger that I bought as the primary charger for my iPad Pro 12.9”, which charges a lot faster with that than the 12 watt charger.

    i hope Apple is giving up on those old chargers this year. The iPhone really needs at least an 8 watt charger, and the iPad Pro 12.9”, a 16 watt model.
    Well unless you are a power engineer I don't think we know why Apple chose the lower standard (if they did, it's just a rumor for now). Of course this will be touted by the haters, if true, as some failure on Apple's part. But apparently Apple doesn't care one bit about what there haters say, or what some users say when they don't know why something is happening.
    That’s just making excuses. And I designed a fair amount of electronics professionally. I understand power as well as most anyone.

    the point is that the standard Apple is using has two levels. Obviously, Apple made a decision here, it wasn’t random. I’m questioning why they made that decision. Some flagship Android phones are using level 2. Since the iPhone can easily charge with chargers higher than 15 watts without any problems, it’s a valid question as to why Apple went with the lower number, assuming that it’s correct, as I said in my other post. I would be happy if it was incorrect.

    but Apple’s devices are known for slow charging times with the supplied chargers. That’s nothing new. Just look at the review comparisons at the sites that do that.
    another clueless person who thinks they can engineer iPhones better than Apple......
    Oh please, your post shows that you are far more clueless than I am. You think, like a fanboy, where everything Apple does is always the best, and that every decision is always the right one, no matter what.

    i’m questioning why they did it, because the phones can obviously charge at much higher rates. It’s a very fair question to,ask.

    what’s not fair is people who know nothing, attacking me for asking it.,
     I flagged you for calling him a fanboy. That’s a stupid ad hominem fallacy/attack. Didnt you used to be a mod here? And you’re going to call people fanboys?
    Flag me all you want to, if that makes you happy. If you think being called a fanboy is a big deal, then that’s an issue for you, not me. Some people here would be proud to be called a fanboy. I’m being called ignorant by a couple of people here because I’m asking a fair, and proper question. Perhaps you should flag them too, and possibly yourself while you’re at it.

    a fanboy is someone who always accepts what a company does, and brooks no discussion of it by anyone. If people are doing that, then they’re acting like fanboys. If the shoe fits…
    1) Why limit the term to a company? You don't see people being fans of products, services, musicians, actors, television series, and pretty much anything else? I certainly do.

    2) Can you really say there are people that "always accepts what a company does"? I'm sure you've been called an Apple fanboy and yet you've just used the Maps debacle as an example, which would make calling you an Apple fanboy untrue, based on that comment alone since it means that it's not always. I bet that means a lot of people you'd call a fanboy can't be fanboys under your definition.

    i think I may have called two or three people here fanboys over the years. Considering how long I’ve been here, and how many posts I’ve made, that’s not a lot. But it’s more the vehemence with which they express their opinion, such as the way Sog35 is here, now, that makes me think fanboy, even if he really isn’t. It’s amusing that one guy flagged me for that. I hope it got him all excited.
    If you're at all familiar with Sog's posting history then you know the term fanboy doesnt apply to him -- the guy who said Tim Cook sucked and needed to be fired.

    I really don't care how long you've been posting here. Calling people fanboys is an ad hominem attack and quite unnecessary in a discussion.
    Thats the irony.

    With one side of their mouth they call me a fanboy and Apple cult member. Yet on the other side of their mouth they call me a Tim Cook hater. Which one is it?

    I think it depends if my opinion agrees with theirs.

    I call it like I see it.  If it means bashing Cook so be it.  If it means defending Apple so be it.

    My perspective is as an Apple shareholder and Apple product user.  Sometimes those two roles can clash.  But usually whats good for the Shareholder is good for the customer.  Happy customers equals more sales and more profits.
    Sog, we’ve known each other for years. We’ve agreed, and disagreed. We all call each other harmless names at times, and being told that you’re responding to this like a fanboy, is not even a real insult. But this guy is even worse. For some reason, he’s trying to set himself up as an unofficial mod, though he doesn’t understand the difficulties of doing so.

    if you flag people every time they get ticked off about something, then discussion stops. This one would have been shut down several pages ago, because we’re all getting hot over it.

    we should at least agree about that. None of us are free from guilt here, including him.
    edited August 2017
  • Reply 123 of 125
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    sog35 said:
    melgross said:
    sog35 said:
    melgross said:

    sog35 said:
    melgross said:
    sog35 said:
    melgross said:
    lkrupp said:

    melgross said:
    If true, I wonder why Apple isn’t going to use level 2 wireless charging, at 15 watts, rather than level 1 charging, at 7.5 watts. I can say for certain that my 7+ charges a lot faster using a 12 watt iPad charger than the measly 5 watt charger that comes with it. It even charges a bit faster using the 29 watt Macbook charger that I bought as the primary charger for my iPad Pro 12.9”, which charges a lot faster with that than the 12 watt charger.

    i hope Apple is giving up on those old chargers this year. The iPhone really needs at least an 8 watt charger, and the iPad Pro 12.9”, a 16 watt model.
    Well unless you are a power engineer I don't think we know why Apple chose the lower standard (if they did, it's just a rumor for now). Of course this will be touted by the haters, if true, as some failure on Apple's part. But apparently Apple doesn't care one bit about what there haters say, or what some users say when they don't know why something is happening.
    That’s just making excuses. And I designed a fair amount of electronics professionally. I understand power as well as most anyone.

    the point is that the standard Apple is using has two levels. Obviously, Apple made a decision here, it wasn’t random. I’m questioning why they made that decision. Some flagship Android phones are using level 2. Since the iPhone can easily charge with chargers higher than 15 watts without any problems, it’s a valid question as to why Apple went with the lower number, assuming that it’s correct, as I said in my other post. I would be happy if it was incorrect.

    but Apple’s devices are known for slow charging times with the supplied chargers. That’s nothing new. Just look at the review comparisons at the sites that do that.
    another clueless person who thinks they can engineer iPhones better than Apple......
    Oh please, your post shows that you are far more clueless than I am. You think, like a fanboy, where everything Apple does is always the best, and that every decision is always the right one, no matter what.

    i’m questioning why they did it, because the phones can obviously charge at much higher rates. It’s a very fair question to,ask.

    what’s not fair is people who know nothing, attacking me for asking it.
    So who's more clueless?

    Me or a dude who thinks he knows how to build iPhones better than Apple?

    Give me a break.  Apple would fire you the first day on the job trying to do Apple power management. Sorry bro.  You are not elite level. Apple is. You are not. Now just sit back and let the masters show you how its done.
    Again, you know absolutely nothing. You are nothing. You are just running your mouth off in complete ignorance. I’m surprised at that from you. But rather than have a sane discussion about this you’d rather attack me. I just wonder how much electronics you’ve designed over the years?

    I suppose you defended the round mouse for the iMac for years too.
    d

    sorry holmes.  But I think Apple knows how to design iPhones better than you. 

    Go ahead and call me fanboy or other bullshit.  go ahead and design a smartphone.  It would probably end up like the Note7
    I don’t think you’re actually thinking. You’re just reacting with a knee jerk. You dot. Even have any argument to bring us, just insults.
    my whole argument is Apple knows how to design iPhones better than you.

    Do you agree?
    I said I wasn’t going to respond anymore, but just this one last time.

    i’m NOT criticizing Apple over this. I know they know what they’re doing. That doesn’t meant that I’m not allowed, as you seem to think, to ask why they made one choice over another, which is what I’ve been asking. For some reason I don’t understand, you seem to think that I’m not allowed to have questions about what they do.

    that’s very confusing, as you’re getting hot about their pricing. So I can throw your anger at me, and yes, it’s anger, back at you. Why are you questioning their memory pricing? You don’t work at Apple, and you have no idea as to their costs and pricing needs. You see how that works? You can’t argue with me, where I’m not saying that they did the wrong thing, just questioning what their reasons were for doing it that way, if they did, and then argue that their pricing is wrong.
    It’s two sides of the same coin.

    and of course Apple engineers know more about designing a phone than I do. But I also know a good deal about electronics, and power supplies, including charging, and you refuse to even attempt to think that I may know at least something useful.

    but even if I didn’t, it wouldn’t prevent me, or anyone else, from properly questioning why they did something. This is a forum. The purpose is to discuss, question, praise, and criticize what Apple, AND their competitors do, just as you’ve been doing. Am I wrong in that? Is this just for positive comments? Because if it is, we both should be thrown out.
  • Reply 124 of 125
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member

    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    melgross said:

    Soli said:
    melgross said:

    melgross said:
    sog35 said:
    melgross said:
    lkrupp said:

    melgross said:
    If true, I wonder why Apple isn’t going to use level 2 wireless charging, at 15 watts, rather than level 1 charging, at 7.5 watts. I can say for certain that my 7+ charges a lot faster using a 12 watt iPad charger than the measly 5 watt charger that comes with it. It even charges a bit faster using the 29 watt Macbook charger that I bought as the primary charger for my iPad Pro 12.9”, which charges a lot faster with that than the 12 watt charger.

    i hope Apple is giving up on those old chargers this year. The iPhone really needs at least an 8 watt charger, and the iPad Pro 12.9”, a 16 watt model.
    Well unless you are a power engineer I don't think we know why Apple chose the lower standard (if they did, it's just a rumor for now). Of course this will be touted by the haters, if true, as some failure on Apple's part. But apparently Apple doesn't care one bit about what there haters say, or what some users say when they don't know why something is happening.
    That’s just making excuses. And I designed a fair amount of electronics professionally. I understand power as well as most anyone.

    the point is that the standard Apple is using has two levels. Obviously, Apple made a decision here, it wasn’t random. I’m questioning why they made that decision. Some flagship Android phones are using level 2. Since the iPhone can easily charge with chargers higher than 15 watts without any problems, it’s a valid question as to why Apple went with the lower number, assuming that it’s correct, as I said in my other post. I would be happy if it was incorrect.

    but Apple’s devices are known for slow charging times with the supplied chargers. That’s nothing new. Just look at the review comparisons at the sites that do that.
    another clueless person who thinks they can engineer iPhones better than Apple......
    Oh please, your post shows that you are far more clueless than I am. You think, like a fanboy, where everything Apple does is always the best, and that every decision is always the right one, no matter what.

    i’m questioning why they did it, because the phones can obviously charge at much higher rates. It’s a very fair question to,ask.

    what’s not fair is people who know nothing, attacking me for asking it.,
     I flagged you for calling him a fanboy. That’s a stupid ad hominem fallacy/attack. Didnt you used to be a mod here? And you’re going to call people fanboys?
    Flag me all you want to, if that makes you happy. If you think being called a fanboy is a big deal, then that’s an issue for you, not me. Some people here would be proud to be called a fanboy. I’m being called ignorant by a couple of people here because I’m asking a fair, and proper question. Perhaps you should flag them too, and possibly yourself while you’re at it.

    a fanboy is someone who always accepts what a company does, and brooks no discussion of it by anyone. If people are doing that, then they’re acting like fanboys. If the shoe fits…
    1) Why limit the term to a company? You don't see people being fans of products, services, musicians, actors, television series, and pretty much anything else? I certainly do.

    2) Can you really say there are people that "always accepts what a company does"? I'm sure you've been called an Apple fanboy and yet you've just used the Maps debacle as an example, which would make calling you an Apple fanboy untrue, based on that comment alone since it means that it's not always. I bet that means a lot of people you'd call a fanboy can't be fanboys under your definition.
    I suppose so. But as I’m being roundly criticized for asking a question, and being told that “Apple” knows what it’s doing, and that I’m subhuman (it seems) for questioning why they’re doing it, I’m thinking of “company”.

    i try very hard to look at issues, and do whatever work I can to understand them before coming on anywhere and posting. This is an issue that we’ve just been reading about. It’s puzzling to me why they are doing this, if they are. I can think of a couple of reasons why they may, but that brings up other issues as well. I find it interesting, and was hoping that we could have an intelligent discussion about it. I was not expecting to be attacked over it.

    as I’ve said in times last, I agree with what Apple does at least 80% of the time, which I think is really pretty good. But they’re not perfect. and even when they do things that I think are correct, I often wonder why. It’s the engineer in me to question everything I see. Fixing machine designs was something I used to do, for my own company, and for companies who supplied machinery to us. You’d be surprised at the design errors major companies can make.

    so when I defend Apple, there are a few who accuse me of being a fanboy, directly. And when I question Apple, there are a few who accuse me of being an Apple hater. How someone with 100,000 Apple shares can be an Apple hater, I don’t know, but there it is.

    i think I may have called two or three people here fanboys over the years. Considering how long I’ve been here, and how many posts I’ve made, that’s not a lot. But it’s more the vehemence with which they express their opinion, such as the way Sog35 is here, now, that makes me think fanboy, even if he really isn’t. It’s amusing that one guy flagged me for that. I hope it got him all excited.
    Like you said, 'a few'.

    Apparently, most AI traffic is drive by so, in context, your opinion will stand up to wider review by those who never even post (the majority) and be appreciated for having explained your point of view even if it is vehemently criticised by the few who, it must be said, are just that, few.

    For what it's worth I saw nothing flaggable in your comments either but each to his own, when it comes to opinions, they're just that although 'jumping on people', getting stroppy, agressive, offensive etc really serves no purpose at all but those reading without posting, quickly learn which posters fall into that group.

    Just let those comments go. Like water off a duck's back.
    Oh please, drop the righteousness. You are known on these threads for illogical knockoff narratives and are routinely called out for it, but doing so doesn't make us a few aggressive & offensive people, it just means we know a duck when it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck.

    I flagged him because he's calling other readers names, which is never appropriate, regardless of how long a person has been posting here. If you have to resort to calling people names your argument sucks.
    Routinely called out? No. You have tried and failed routinely to do so but your claims never stood up to scrutiny and I never jumped on you for it. I let it go. The readers can decide.

    You still can't post without using the word 'knock-off' I see. 

    Melgross is not asking anyone in particular, much less, Apple why they are rumoured to have taken a specific decision.

    He is just thinking out loud and asking why they may have chosen one option or another and giving the train of thought behind what led to the question.

    This is where those thoughts can be outlined. It's a discussion forum.
    That’s what I’ve been saying in almost every post here. I don’t get the rancor a couple of people have over that. If they don’t want to discuss it, then they should just say nothing, and not rag on me instead.
    avon b7
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