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  • Reply 41 of 65
    I have to say I'm happy to see Gigabit Ethernet finally on the Apple TV, about time.
    williamlondonpolymnia
  • Reply 42 of 65
    lkrupp said:
    frumious said:
    Astonished that they made NO changes to the remote. No way to know it's charging or is charged. No way to instantly tell the top from the bottom. And no way to "page" it, maybe with your phone, or via Siri to say "Here I am," because it's so tiny it can so easily vanish in bed covers. Just the most basic stuff. Frustrating.
    I'm thinking that since there are no apparent changes to the remote Apple knows that it is popular with the majority of users and could care less what the critics say. If the remote is a deal killer for you then so be it.
    It's not a deal killer, but it's got a problem when you have to put a rubber band on one end to be able to instantly feel the right-side-up in the dark (which I do). Even John Gruber feels it's a flawed remote. I love the touch surface and swipe-scrubbing, just wish they'd fix the symmetrical nature of it.
    Eddy does not listen.  I put a case on all my   remotes and friends did so to. If you are a cord cutter and watch direct tv now for example, the touch surface is so sensitive a slight brush of a sleeve/blanket or a misdirection of a touch while fumbling for the up/down in the dark scrolls the channel. Its a PITA.  Also the TV and Menu buttons are on the touch surface so that a slight miss of the finger can cut off the feed.
    gatorguy
  • Reply 43 of 65
    The price on this is really good. The top-end 64 GB is actually $20 CAN cheaper than I paid for the 64GB 4th generation Apple TV.
    edited September 2017 williamlondonpolymnia
  • Reply 44 of 65
    zroger73 said:
    Considering I have no 4K-capable TVs (and can't see any REAL difference even between 720p and 1080p from 10' away on my 55" TV), I'll pass on this revision. I'm disappointed there's no much-improved remote.
    No matter what hardware has 4K resolution, my old, senior citizen eyes will forever remain at 720p or even less in the future. It must be good to have strong, young eyes that can see everything so clearly. I'm more of a content guy, anyway. I would get absolutely no joy out of watching crappy content just because it's in 4K resolution.
  • Reply 45 of 65
    smaffei said:
    $180 is double what the competition is charging and 20% more than the last generation of Apple TV.

    So, that HD->4K "free" upgrade really isn't free. Eddy baked the cost of the 4K content upgrade into the price of the unit.
    Kind of reminds me of the Fire discount except customers pay for that in the form of advertising and privacy.
    calitallest skil
  • Reply 46 of 65
    What's with the picture showing a white outlined menu button on the remote??
    It appears to be glowing a little but I don't believe there is a true light source. Still, it should help in a very dark room.
  • Reply 47 of 65
    Apple should have added HD audios, DTS HD MA, TrueHD, Dolby Atmos. 4K video and no HD audio!
    williamlondon
  • Reply 48 of 65
    gordlacey said:
    I'm really interested in whether they'll upgrade the Digital Copy versions of movies. Right now you buy a Blu-ray and many come with a Digital Copy for iTunes, which you redeem and the HD version is unlocked. However, upgrading these to 4K versions would mean you could go out and buy a $10 (CAN) copy of Deadpool, get the BD, and the 4K version from the iTunes store, and it'd be way cheaper than buying the 4K disc, or the 4K iTunes copy. I can't see the studios going along with that (though I really hope they do, as I have TON of Digital Copies unlocked in iTunes).
    Does anyone know if the Digital Copy movies in your iTunes library are eligible for the free 4K upgrade?
    cali
  • Reply 49 of 65
    Does anyone know if the Digital Copy movies in your iTunes library are eligible for the free 4K upgrade? Digital Copy as in the movies that come from the Digital Copy codes included in most Blu-rays. Or does the 4K upgrade only apply to movies purchased through the iTunes store?
  • Reply 50 of 65
    calicali Posts: 3,495member
    zroger73 said:
    Considering I have no 4K-capable TVs (and can't see any REAL difference even between 720p and 1080p from 10' away on my 55" TV), I'll pass on this revision. I'm disappointed there's no much-improved remote.
    No matter what hardware has 4K resolution, my old, senior citizen eyes will forever remain at 720p or even less in the future. It must be good to have strong, young eyes that can see everything so clearly. I'm more of a content guy, anyway. I would get absolutely no joy out of watching crappy content just because it's in 4K resolution.
    4K is for larger screens. Your eyes wouldn't see a difference on smaller displays.
  • Reply 51 of 65
    brucemcbrucemc Posts: 1,319member
    I would classify the hardware as a "solid" update for sure. Top of the line 4K specs, with significant performance boost.  The 4K content upgrades and pricing are industry leading. 

    It it was a lost opportunity on the Siri remote though. It isn't a deal killer, but Apple could do so much better:
    - feel in the hand
    - asymmetric
    - backlit buttons
    - find the remote with something simple like emitting a sound
    - wireless charging of remote on top of ATV unit (might not be feasible within price point though)
    - less sensitive to accidental touches (might be addressable in s/w, but so far no indication they are looking at it)

    Was really hoping to see that AirPods would work seamlessly with ATV as with other devices (rather than standard BT pairing).  That should be s/w only, so still holding out hope. 
  • Reply 52 of 65
    Great news on the 4K content being priced at the same price as HD content, and the free upgrades.

    However, just a question on the video formats on the new product page for ATV 4K

    Says H.264, I thought the whole reason for macOs (and assumed tvOs) going to HEVC and H.265 was to use the compression to deliver smaller file sizes meaning the streaming would be easier?

    Video Formats

    H.264/HEVC SDR video up to 2160p, 60 fps, Main/Main 10 profile

    HEVC. The new standard for video.

    With the rising popularity of 4K video, a new industry standard arrives on Mac — HEVC (High Efficiency Video Coding, also known as H.265).1 It can compress video up to 40 percent more than H.264, the current standard for video compression. Using HEVC, videos stream better and take up less space on your Mac, while preserving the same visual quality.

  • Reply 53 of 65
    But with a non symmetrical remote (or a rubberband hack) you can instantly sense which side is up and rotate it as you pick it up so that it’s always the right side up by the time you start to use it for the desired buttons.
    I like to use the put-down-the-remote-facing-up hack. Works every time. 
  • Reply 54 of 65
    brucemc said:
    - backlit buttons
    You don't need backlit buttons when there are only five total buttons. For example, the buttons on console video game controllers aren't backlit and those typically require the user to memorize 10 or more button/trigger positions and their functions when in use. 
    edited September 2017
  • Reply 55 of 65
    lkrupp said:
    frumious said:
    Astonished that they made NO changes to the remote. No way to know it's charging or is charged. No way to instantly tell the top from the bottom. And no way to "page" it, maybe with your phone, or via Siri to say "Here I am," because it's so tiny it can so easily vanish in bed covers. Just the most basic stuff. Frustrating.
    I'm thinking that since there are no apparent changes to the remote Apple knows that it is popular with the majority of users and could care less what the critics say. If the remote is a deal killer for you then so be it.
    It's not a deal killer, but it's got a problem when you have to put a rubber band on one end to be able to instantly feel the right-side-up in the dark (which I do). Even John Gruber feels it's a flawed remote. I love the touch surface and swipe-scrubbing, just wish they'd fix the symmetrical nature of it.
    Eddy does not listen.  I put a case on all my   remotes and friends did so to. If you are a cord cutter and watch direct tv now for example, the touch surface is so sensitive a slight brush of a sleeve/blanket or a misdirection of a touch while fumbling for the up/down in the dark scrolls the channel. Its a PITA.  Also the TV and Menu buttons are on the touch surface so that a slight miss of the finger can cut off the feed.
    This... maybe someone can build a Nano-style aTV remote 

    That said - today's presentation of products was truly inspiring, as only Apple can do, including in the Steve Jobs Theatre.
  • Reply 56 of 65
    bmmomin said:
    Apple should have added HD audios, DTS HD MA, TrueHD, Dolby Atmos. 4K video and no HD audio!
    That's because the studios aren't really pushing to have those formats available on a widespread basis for digital downloads right now. There's only a tiny amount of films that offer those audio formats for download right now, and most people aren't going to have speaker systems that are high-end enough to hear the difference anyway.
  • Reply 57 of 65
    cali said:
    zroger73 said:
    Considering I have no 4K-capable TVs (and can't see any REAL difference even between 720p and 1080p from 10' away on my 55" TV), I'll pass on this revision. I'm disappointed there's no much-improved remote.
    No matter what hardware has 4K resolution, my old, senior citizen eyes will forever remain at 720p or even less in the future. It must be good to have strong, young eyes that can see everything so clearly. I'm more of a content guy, anyway. I would get absolutely no joy out of watching crappy content just because it's in 4K resolution.
    4K is for larger screens. Your eyes wouldn't see a difference on smaller displays.
    I have a 43” 4K HDR TV. The 4K is overkill on such a small screen but the HDR is amazing. Don’t buy a new 4K TV without HDR or you will be missing out. 
  • Reply 58 of 65
    g-newsg-news Posts: 1,106member
    Still no Siri support in most countries that don't happen to have English as their main language.
    Apple is releasing everything for the US first, which wouldn't be a problem, but it's becoming increasingly US only. Will be interesting to see just how bad the TV app is in the new countries that will be supported.
  • Reply 59 of 65
    guyr said:
    Why are they even releasing a 32GB ? Just make the one version - $20 difference ??
    What a weird whine. Just get the one you want, or don't get one at all. Who cares. But please stop the whining (along with @smaffei).
    I will get the one I want, but to release a device for minor cost differential and RAM seems pointless - even after doing it on the previous generation. If it was $200 it would make sense. It would also remove stock issues. But I guess that's not an issue for you.
  • Reply 60 of 65
    it did look impressive. Sports: Formula 1, maybe?
    One can only hope with the new owners of F1 that this would finally happen...
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