REALLY? REALLY? People were CLAPPING when Schiller told them that you now can't access your MONEY or any of your personal info without FACIAL RECOGNITION?
Are you still going to be clapping when the government takes away YOUR ABILITY TO ACCESS YOUR OWN MONEY because it considers you a "terrorist threat" or says you have an "illegal" political view?
Steve Jobs would NEVER have condoned this BIG BROTHER crap, you know it. This is the creepiest thing since the fingerprint BS in the iPhone 5, 6 and 7. Apple is changing for sure, and not in a good way.
I don't want to have to wear a watch that reports how healthy I am and how much money I have to "the cloud." You might as well ask how much SLAVE LIFE a person has left in them.
You really live up to your screen name don’t you?
what are you talking about? Do you even know? Apple is going for more security, not less. You know that you don’t have to use any biometric security if you don’t want to. You can stick to the password.
"Rumor has it" that Apple couldn't get the fingerprint scanner in the display technology to work, so I'm hoping this means a future version of this phone actually will have such a capability. A combination of Touch ID, Face ID and password would be pretty hard to beat.
Yes, we know that too. And I’m one who is still disappointed that they couldn’t get it working. I won’t suddenly change my opinion about that. But we’ll have to see how well this works in the “real world”. I was concerned that we would have to hold the phone straight up, and at a specific distance. That doesnt seen to be true.
i’m less concerned than I was, and this has to do with Apple Pay. While someone said that you had to open the Apple Pay app manually, I don’t see why we would. Maybe I missed that in the presentation, but I hope not. If I can get the phone out of my belt holder, move it up, face up, as I do anyway when using Apple Pay, it faces my face at an angle. If I just have to move it to the scanner and press the side button twice, then it’s about as easy as before. I see no reason why anything else would be different. Face scan unlocks Apple Pay as before, and it should open it as before. The rest is just a double click.
i’m still coming to grips with this. It’s an in between year for us here, so we haven’t had plans to buy new phones this year. Unless it suddenly becomes compelling, and the photo features are pretty compelling, we’ll wait until next year, when much of this will be settled.
but, both my wife and daughter very surprisingly want the Apple Watch Series 3 with cell. That really was a surprise, so maybe I’ll upgrade mine too, instead of next year.
Doubt it. A ton of R&D and sleepless nights went into making FaceID & I think Apple is all-in with facial recognition. Don't be surprised to eventually see it on Macs. Imagine flipping open your laptop screen or sitting down in front of your iMac & voila, your Mac automatically unlocks.
Am I the only one that's disappointed with the memory configurations on both the iPhone 8 and X? 64GB and 256GB? What happened to 128GB? Last year was the first year I opted for a 128GB iPhone. Seemed like a perfect price point between plenty of storage without being too expensive. Dropping 128 this year is quite disappointing. No way I can go backwards to 64, so if I want to upgrade I have to opt for the most expensive model. I really think the phones should have been 128 (for the price of 64) and 256. I guess this is the way they get all those millions of phones they sold in the last couple of years at 128 to opt for the most expensive models. bummer.
paying $50 more for 128 additional GB is a great deal.
If a 128GB phone was available it would have been $1099. With more 4k video and larger photo's you will be happy you bought the 256GB phone.
Which is why Apple does it. Phil Schiller’s middle name is upsell.
Nonsense. There's a low-end capacity, and a high-end (4x more). Which do you need? Low end needs? Great, get the low-end capacity. High-end needs? Great, get the high-end capacity for 150 more. Which type of user are you?
Just maybe he was the one in the middle?
You know, low, mid, high?
It's upsell. Trying to spin it any other way is foolish IMO.
One in the middle?
The Samsung S8 only come with 64GB. Thats it.
Why the hell are you grumbling about the iPhone having 2 storage sizes while the competition only has one?
Could it have something to do with the user being able to add up to 256GB of their choice?
SD cards are not a good alternative to on board memory.
i can say the same thing that Apple offers iCloud space.
Just stop.
Name me another phone brand that gives 3 storage tiers on their FLAGSHIP?
SD cards are perfect for adding to onboard memory.
They also make tiers far less of an issue and that is precisely why many Android phones have just one onboard memory allocation.
In fact 'tiers' themselves aren't the issue here. The issue is upsell, although as you seem to have quickly and conveniently forgotten, I said with a base of 32GB or 64GB is nowhere near as problematic as before.
Android makers do it because it makes their devices seem cheaper, which is, after all, a major issue for Android buyers. But buying cheap flash slows your device down. So you have fast (for Android) Flash in your phone, and then slow flash in a card. Great! And if you have more than one card, and you forget the right card, or lose it, you’ve got problems. But fast Flash is expensive, and according to reviews, Apple uses very fast flash, and a very fast memory subsystem.
sony has just come out with a new fast 256GB flash card. How much does it cost - $350!
Am I the only one that's disappointed with the memory configurations on both the iPhone 8 and X? 64GB and 256GB? What happened to 128GB? Last year was the first year I opted for a 128GB iPhone. Seemed like a perfect price point between plenty of storage without being too expensive. Dropping 128 this year is quite disappointing. No way I can go backwards to 64, so if I want to upgrade I have to opt for the most expensive model. I really think the phones should have been 128 (for the price of 64) and 256. I guess this is the way they get all those millions of phones they sold in the last couple of years at 128 to opt for the most expensive models. bummer.
paying $50 more for 128 additional GB is a great deal.
If a 128GB phone was available it would have been $1099. With more 4k video and larger photo's you will be happy you bought the 256GB phone.
Which is why Apple does it. Phil Schiller’s middle name is upsell.
Nonsense. There's a low-end capacity, and a high-end (4x more). Which do you need? Low end needs? Great, get the low-end capacity. High-end needs? Great, get the high-end capacity for 150 more. Which type of user are you?
Just maybe he was the one in the middle?
You know, low, mid, high?
It's upsell. Trying to spin it any other way is foolish IMO.
Not half as foolish as an Android user trying to bag on Apple on an Apple site all day, but that's just my opinion.
Let me revise my terms -- Apple sells three other models (7, 6s, SE) that have options for 32gb. 32gb, which is by definition the low-end capacity. The new 8 and X are flagships phones and come in 64gb and 256gb. 64 is double the low-end capacity and is by definition medium-capacity, and 256gb is high-capacity. Thus the flagship devices come in medium- and high-capacity only. So now that they've eliminated low-end on the flagship devices, you're going to complain about there not being a mid-medium-capacity? That's beyond reason.
It's just proof that no matter what, people will complain. Even if they're using Android knockoffs and have no intention to buy any of the new devices.
Before the iPhone event, it was Snagdragon 835, and face recognition, and under screen touch ID, and Kirin 970 and AI processor, all from the usual Android loving suspects on AI.
Now all these losers are left with is complaining about "upsell" storage, and why isn'r removable storage a thing with Apple.
Post Apple Event Headline;
"Apple gives impressive beatdown to rivals posing as tech companies".
Nope. You will remember, if you bother to take a moment, that what has been celebrated is COMPETITION.
IMO, the only reason the new iPhone price spread is so wide now, is the result of competition. It is the sole reason but supported by Apple's desire to widen the user base to which it can offer services.
You will also remember that this particular Android (and iOS!) user also bet on Apple including an NPU, the notch and even the elimination of black as an option.
This particular user also argued for, and backed up, Apple needing to move down through the pricing tiers (something that was basically met with howls of disbelief and accusations of trolling), only for Apple to leave us with a completely revamped pricing lineup that now covers 379€ up through to, and over 1000€ on possibly the widest spread of active hardware it has ever offered.
This 'loser' was somehow able to get so much right but isn't smug about it because he never said any of this would happen.
He simply gave an opinion and bet on some options while others jumped up and down emphatically affirming 'this' or 'that' would never happen. So sure of themselves and happy to try and discredit other users - just as you just did with your 'losers' comment.
Weird how some people just can't accept another person's opinions (and simply offer their own) without disparaging the original opinion.
"IMO, the only reason the new iPhone price spread is so wide now, is the result of competition."
There wouldn't be a lower priced iPhone SE without the iPhone X, Which Ben Bajarin believes will see some 40-50 million units shipped in the 2H of 2017, all because Apple wants to keep its ASP increasing. I would note that the SE is hardly the big seller.
As for Qualcomm and Huawei and their pre-Apple event announcements, which you describe as "competitive", i would describe as massively failed PR attempts. The fact that no one is talking about their "innovations" or "technology" after the Apple Event says it all.
Apple totally dominated them with its technology in both the iPhones 8, and the iPhone X, the Apple Watch, AirPods. More to the point, I'll argue right now that Apple's profits are looking up, not because of a super cycle, but due to the fact that Apple has the highest engagement and customer loyalty, and frankly, a growing population of users; a virtuous cycle that benefits Apple, and its customers.
Edit: the 40-50 million should have been 2H 2017 rather than 2H 2018; corrected.
"IMO, the only reason the new iPhone price spread is so wide now, is the result of competition."
If only that were true;
[tweets]
There wouldn't be a lower priced iPhone SE without the iPhone X, Which Ben Bajarin believes will see some 40-50 million units shipped in the 2H of 2018, all because Apple wants to keep its ASP increasing. I would note that the SE is hardly the big seller.
As for Qualcomm and Huawei and their pre-Apple event announcements, which you describe as "competitive", i would describe as massively failed PR attempts. The fact that no one is talking about there "innovations" or "technology" after the Apple Event says it all.
Apple totally dominated them with its technology in both the iPhones 8, and the iPhone X, the Apple Watch, AirPods. More to the point, I'll argue right now that Apple's profits are looking up, not because of a super cycle, but due to the fact that Apple has the highest engagement and customer loyalty, and frankly, a growing population of users; a virtuous cycle that benefits Apple, and its customers.
If the "competition" argument as sound as Avon claims wouldn't you expect to see prices and ASPs lower instead of rise, or is that where the "Apple sheeple will buy anything argument comes into play?
Notch when playing video: really? I mean really? Steve Jobs (PBOH) would never have allowed it. You know this is true.
What's the alternative? The article mentions you can watch the video "unobstructed or expand it to full screen, which rounds off the corners and knocks out the slot where sensors sit. "
Given that there must be sensors somewhere, and Apple allows you to either view a video in a rectangular window or expanded to fill the corners, it looks like they've covered all the bases. The only other option is to remove the sensors completely, but obviously that has large ramifications.
"Hold my beer." — Guy who installed the working headphone jack in an iPhone 7
Hmmm, I first notice how small it is in the hand, after several years with plus model. And to be honest, the notch on the top is not bothering me at all. It was a little bit strange in the beginning though, but it grows on me. Still, I am curious why they opt for this design as oppose to make the whole bar black.
Because then there would be square corners on the top and round on the bottom. Ugly. Otherwise, they would have to lose even more screen to round the corners on top, which defeats the edge-to-edge claim snd contradicts the imperative to deliver as much active screen as possible.
... or you could design the black bar to have curved corners to match the bottom corners. I'm sure they tried this, though.
I hope Apple does more media to explain their thinking behind what they announced because it is kind of confusing. IPhone X is the future yet there is an iPhone 8 which has the same A11 chip, nearly the same camera as the X, wireless charging like the X, video recording the same as the.X, true tone and wide color display same as the X. But the 8 still has home button, Touch ID and bezels. The 8 really feels like it exists because Apple couldn’t mass produce enough of the OLED screens and the X feels like it exists because Apple couldn’t go another year with phone with large top and bottom bezels when all the competition is releasing near bezeless phones. I have a feeling it will all be a bit confusing to consumers.
"IMO, the only reason the new iPhone price spread is so wide now, is the result of competition."
If only that were true;
[tweets]
There wouldn't be a lower priced iPhone SE without the iPhone X, Which Ben Bajarin believes will see some 40-50 million units shipped in the 2H of 2018, all because Apple wants to keep its ASP increasing. I would note that the SE is hardly the big seller.
As for Qualcomm and Huawei and their pre-Apple event announcements, which you describe as "competitive", i would describe as massively failed PR attempts. The fact that no one is talking about there "innovations" or "technology" after the Apple Event says it all.
Apple totally dominated them with its technology in both the iPhones 8, and the iPhone X, the Apple Watch, AirPods. More to the point, I'll argue right now that Apple's profits are looking up, not because of a super cycle, but due to the fact that Apple has the highest engagement and customer loyalty, and frankly, a growing population of users; a virtuous cycle that benefits Apple, and its customers.
If the "competition" argument as sound as Avon claims wouldn't you expect to see prices and ASPs lower instead of rise, or is that where the "Apple sheeple will buy anything argument comes into play?
One would have to consider how it is that the number of "sheeple" continues to grow so fast.
On a serious note, wouldn't you think that Spotify might be a little bit concerned by Apple exploiting the Apple Watch LTE, and AirPods, to increase Apple Music subscriptions?
First of all, that big bump on the top/side of the screen for cameras and sensors is an incredibly clumsy and un-Apple like solution.
Secondly, gestures instead of home button/power button? Really?! Not sold on the idea at all.
How do you switch apps if you're in the middle of a game? How will the game know if it's you're 'Swipe up' to get out of the app or to jump? How will the browser know if I'm swiping to get out of the browser, or to move down the webpage quickly?
Seems like an incredibly frustrating user experience, and very, yes, un-Apple like.
You do it from the edge only just as you would for Control Center currently. Do you accidentally launch that all the time in the middle of a game? No? Then you can probably forget about the "incredibly frustrating user experience" garbage.
Notch when playing video: really? I mean really? Steve Jobs (PBOH) would never have allowed it. You know this is true.
What's the alternative? The article mentions you can watch the video "unobstructed or expand it to full screen, which rounds off the corners and knocks out the slot where sensors sit. "
Given that there must be sensors somewhere, and Apple allows you to either view a video in a rectangular window or expanded to fill the corners, it looks like they've covered all the bases. The only other option is to remove the sensors completely, but obviously that has large ramifications.
As the technology progresses they can reduce the size of the notch by making components smaller putting them on the curved edge in a way that practically makes them disappear, or behind display or inside the the casing so that they actually do disappear.
On a serious note, wouldn't you think that Spotify might be a little bit concerned by Apple exploiting the Apple Watch LTE, and AirPods, to increase Apple Music subscriptions?
I would look into it if I ran any music subscription or even was a major supplier of content to steaming services. I never thought their iBookstore deals were an issue but their pimping of Apple Music for their own devices comes across as potentially anticompetitive, to me.
Disappointed that edges are rounded and it will be slippery. So it will go in a case. Then videos playing will be cut off. Really? You are so anal about the quality of the OLEDs over LCD, and when you finally do switch to OLED, you cut off part of the screen? But wait, there's more: 64GB too little for a high end phone, 128GB at least. should come with AirPods in box. Also, would have been nice to just put the Touch ID on the back and eliminate the top notch. Some people might prefer that. This phone is not impressive, a bit gimmicky, and Federighi gave away his dignity yesterday.
Videos don't get cut off unless you choose to display them that way. AirPods in the box would've added $150 to the cost, then you'd be complaining about that. If you want Touch ID and no sensor notch, get an 8 or 8 Plus! Problem solved!
Notch when playing video: really? I mean really? Steve Jobs (PBOH) would never have allowed it. You know this is true.
What's the alternative? The article mentions you can watch the video "unobstructed or expand it to full screen, which rounds off the corners and knocks out the slot where sensors sit. "
Given that there must be sensors somewhere, and Apple allows you to either view a video in a rectangular window or expanded to fill the corners, it looks like they've covered all the bases. The only other option is to remove the sensors completely, but obviously that has large ramifications.
As the technology progresses they can reduce the size of the notch by making components smaller putting them on the curved edge in a way that practically makes them disappear, or behind display or inside the the casing so that they actually do disappear.
On a serious note, wouldn't you think that Spotify might be a little bit concerned by Apple exploiting the Apple Watch LTE, and AirPods, to increase Apple Music subscriptions?
I would look into it if I ran any music subscription or even was a major supplier of content to steaming services. I never thought their iBookstore deals were an issue but their pimping of Apple Music for their own devices comes across as potentially anticompetitive, to me.
It isn't much of a leap to realize that Apple will indeed miniaturize the components for Face ID, and I would surmise, small enough at some point to fit into an Apple Watch screen.
The iPhone X is the most amazing single piece of hardware EVER. EVER.
It doesn't have a memory card slot. Maybe not important to you, but important to many.
nope.
memory card slot is important to a very very small percentage of iPhone users.
I think opinions would change if Apple added a memory card option and justified it by saying the technology wasn't right for us until now. ;-)
Will never happen. It's been a decade. Normals dont care, give it up.
It was largely a decade with expensive prices too and while yourself and others said that Apple would never bring prices down because Apple was a premium priced vendor bla, bla, even though I explained my reasons for them needing to do so in my opinion, and backing it up with industry numbers.
Now take a look at the product matrix and tell me if the lower ground isn't important to them.
I am not saying that Apple will include SD cards. I am saying that if they did you would find a way to justify it and for not having done so until that moment.
You're trying to argue a stupid, nonexistent counterfactual. Stop.
Without a home button, how do you take a screenshot?
Side button and volume up at the same time.
There's a big problem with that. I can't count the number of times I turned up the volume rather than turning off my 6s because the power and volume buttons are opposite each other. Now instead of turning up the volume I'm going to have hundreds of accidental screenshots from missed attempts to turn off my phone.
what a tragedy!!! I know its impossible to delete those accidental screenshots? right?
It's certainly easy enough, but it's a pain in the ass to go into photos every week to delete a bunch of useless screenshots caused by a poor design. Your comment is kind of like saying it's no big deal that you have to open your car from the passenger side because the driver's side lock doesn't always work. If I pay $200 for a cheap Motorola android phone then I expect that. If I'm paying $1000 for a top of the line iPhone I expect better.
At least they made screenshot handling way better in iOS 11 with the little preview from which you can edit or delete right away.
Is it me, or is Apple glossing over the battery life in the iPhone 8/X. They make a Brief comment that if lasts 2 hours longer than the previous generation... but the iPhone X comes with an oled screen which is supposed to be good for battery life...
Is it me, or is Apple glossing over the battery life in the iPhone 8/X. They make a Brief comment that if lasts 2 hours longer than the previous generation... but the iPhone X comes with an oled screen which is supposed to be good for battery life...
Still love my 6s. (Hopefully iOS 11 doesn't bog it down.)
I'm running the iOS 11 GM on my 6 right now since last night and honestly I think it's running smoother than 10 ever did. Really digging the new animations/transitions/etc. Everything feels way more fluid. I don't recall how much faster the 6s was but you should be fine.
Still love my 6s. (Hopefully iOS 11 doesn't bog it down.)
I'm running the iOS 11 GM on my 6 right now since last night and honestly I think it's running smoother than 10 ever did. Really digging the new animations/transitions/etc. Everything feels way more fluid. I don't recall how much faster the 6s was but you should be fine.
I love the new Control Center. iOS 10 introduced a new design that put the audio controls and headphones/speaker output on a second page which I didn't care for. I can't think of a single thing the new Control Center can do to improve (except perhaps allow for repositioning of icons, but I haven't checked to see if that's an option of if I'd even utilize it).
The iPhone X is the most amazing single piece of hardware EVER. EVER.
It doesn't have a memory card slot. Maybe not important to you, but important to many.
nope.
memory card slot is important to a very very small percentage of iPhone users.
I think opinions would change if Apple added a memory card option and justified it by saying the technology wasn't right for us until now. ;-)
Will never happen. It's been a decade. Normals dont care, give it up.
It was largely a decade with expensive prices too and while yourself and others said that Apple would never bring prices down because Apple was a premium priced vendor bla, bla, even though I explained my reasons for them needing to do so in my opinion, and backing it up with industry numbers.
Now take a look at the product matrix and tell me if the lower ground isn't important to them.
I am not saying that Apple will include SD cards. I am saying that if they did you would find a way to justify it and for not having done so until that moment.
I’m sorry, what is it you are attributing to me? Can you link to where I’ve said whatever it is you're attributing to me?
As for SD cards, you’re full of shit as usual. It’s an impossible fantasy scenario you’ve created in your mind, and thus cannot be discussed logically. To tell me what I’d do in real life based on your fantasy is insane....it's a "counterfactual" fallacy. Look it up.
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https://om.co/2017/09/13/18420/
If only that were true;
https://twitter.com/BenBajarin?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://www.asymco.com/
There wouldn't be a lower priced iPhone SE without the iPhone X, Which Ben Bajarin believes will see some 40-50 million units shipped in the 2H of 2017, all because Apple wants to keep its ASP increasing. I would note that the SE is hardly the big seller.
As for Qualcomm and Huawei and their pre-Apple event announcements, which you describe as "competitive", i would describe as massively failed PR attempts. The fact that no one is talking about their "innovations" or "technology" after the Apple Event says it all.
Apple totally dominated them with its technology in both the iPhones 8, and the iPhone X, the Apple Watch, AirPods. More to the point, I'll argue right now that Apple's profits are looking up, not because of a super cycle, but due to the fact that Apple has the highest engagement and customer loyalty, and frankly, a growing population of users; a virtuous cycle that benefits Apple, and its customers.
Edit: the 40-50 million should have been 2H 2017 rather than 2H 2018; corrected.
... or you could design the black bar to have curved corners to match the bottom corners. I'm sure they tried this, though.
On a serious note, wouldn't you think that Spotify might be a little bit concerned by Apple exploiting the Apple Watch LTE, and AirPods, to increase Apple Music subscriptions?
I would look into it if I ran any music subscription or even was a major supplier of content to steaming services. I never thought their iBookstore deals were an issue but their pimping of Apple Music for their own devices comes across as potentially anticompetitive, to me.
Videos don't get cut off unless you choose to display them that way. AirPods in the box would've added $150 to the cost, then you'd be complaining about that. If you want Touch ID and no sensor notch, get an 8 or 8 Plus! Problem solved!
As for SD cards, you’re full of shit as usual. It’s an impossible fantasy scenario you’ve created in your mind, and thus cannot be discussed logically. To tell me what I’d do in real life based on your fantasy is insane....it's a "counterfactual" fallacy. Look it up.