So I have to look at my phone, then swipe up. How is that more convenient than Touch ID today? As I said before if I want to see notifications on my lock screen I just push the sleep/wake button. Most of the time I don’t care so I just press the home button and boom I’m at the home screen or whatever app I was just using. Obviously we need reviews but at first glance Face ID doesn’t seem more convenient if you have to swipe to get past the lock screen.
Quite a trick to see your notifications without looking at the screen. Personally, I figure I can raise the phone, look at the screen and swipe up without looking down again at my hand, but then again, I can walk and chew gum.
Oh, yeah, what happens next year? No way does the X’s manufacturing cost come down in time to make it the only new model. I guess that’s why they released the 8 alongside it (with the same chip…); now they can release the iPhone 9 and iPhone XI concurrently next year. Maybe by iPhone XII it will be the only model.
I reckon they'll bring out an iPhone 9 and keep the iPhone X the same or maybe an XS model, drop the price to $899 and remove the $799 Plus model. They might have a 9S Plus for a year and then drop the X to $799 in 2019.
I don't think the designs are going to change much at all going forward just like the SE/5 model hasn't. This is why they'll have held back some color options from the X. They can introduce jet black, red models at a later date. I don't think it will be XII in branding, they might do it like OS X so have revision numbers separate from the brand or just years like the Macs, iPhone X (2018) etc.
Having models at a range of prices helps them grow marketshare, look how cheap an SE can be bought for:
The SE is a great phone to have and that price point is accessible to most people. I think it will be a long time before Apple only has one model of iPhone, maybe never. The iPhone 5 was introduced in 2012 and the SE now 5 years later is at that price down from $649. The X will give Apple at least another 5 years of high-end sales before it gets down to the level of the current 7 model and at that point, the 7 will be where the SE is now. The marketshare they gain from hitting a larger range of price points will maintain their revenue for at least a decade.
The X is 3mm wider than the 8 and 7mm narrower than the Plus, also you lose a fair bit of the height due to the exclusion of the top around the notch and the bottom where the slide bar is, the screen also uses the narrow viewport of the 8 vs the wider viewport of the Plus models. It also doesn't have the landscape modes for the home screen like the plus has.
So, if you like the plus models Im suspecting that the X is gonna feel squished. I really hope not as I'm going from 7 Plus to X but I will have 14 days to exchange it if it feels cramped like I find the 7/8 models. Really hoping the higher DPI makes up for the smaller display. ( I attached an image showing the screen sizes, the usable part of the X is lined up with the other screens red=iphone 8, Blue=iPhone X Green=iPhone 8 Plus)
iPhone X is not a replacement for the Plus model. Aspect ratios don't match. The X has just the width of an iPhone 7. That can't be a replacement for a Plus. Both iPhone 8 and 8 Plus will survive until Apple comes up with a TouchID solution for the X to achieve multi biometrics. FaceID is not a replacement for TouchID either, none of the Apple execs has said that, this is just a divination of the blog writers.
The Plus model is 10% wider for content than the X and 7 but the screen on the X is taller than the Plus so the notch isn't going to cause any loss in height, it's an overall gain in screen height combined with a smaller device height.
Oh, yeah, what happens next year? No way does the X’s manufacturing cost come down in time to make it the only new model. I guess that’s why they released the 8 alongside it (with the same chip…); now they can release the iPhone 9 and iPhone XI concurrently next year. Maybe by iPhone XII it will be the only model.
I reckon they'll bring out an iPhone 9 and keep the iPhone X the same or maybe an XS model, drop the price to $899 and remove the $799 Plus model. They might have a 9S Plus for a year and then drop the X to $799 in 2019.
I don't think the designs are going to change much at all going forward just like the SE/5 model hasn't. This is why they'll have held back some color options from the X. They can introduce jet black, red models at a later date. I don't think it will be XII in branding, they might do it like OS X so have revision numbers separate from the brand or just years like the Macs, iPhone X (2018) etc.
Having models at a range of prices helps them grow marketshare, look how cheap an SE can be bought for:
The SE is a great phone to have and that price point is accessible to most people. I think it will be a long time before Apple only has one model of iPhone, maybe never. The iPhone 5 was introduced in 2012 and the SE now 5 years later is at that price down from $649. The X will give Apple at least another 5 years of high-end sales before it gets down to the level of the current 7 model and at that point, the 7 will be where the SE is now. The marketshare they gain from hitting a larger range of price points will maintain their revenue for at least a decade.
The X is 3mm wider than the 8 and 7mm narrower than the Plus, also you lose a fair bit of the height due to the exclusion of the top around the notch and the bottom where the slide bar is, the screen also uses the narrow viewport of the 8 vs the wider viewport of the Plus models. It also doesn't have the landscape modes for the home screen like the plus has.
So, if you like the plus models Im suspecting that the X is gonna feel squished. I really hope not as I'm going from 7 Plus to X but I will have 14 days to exchange it if it feels cramped like I find the 7/8 models. Really hoping the higher DPI makes up for the smaller display. ( I attached an image showing the screen sizes, the usable part of the X is lined up with the other screens red=iphone 8, Blue=iPhone X Green=iPhone 8 Plus)
iPhone X is not a replacement for the Plus model. Aspect ratios don't match. The X has just the width of an iPhone 7. That can't be a replacement for a Plus. Both iPhone 8 and 8 Plus will survive until Apple comes up with a TouchID solution for the X to achieve multi biometrics. FaceID is not a replacement for TouchID either, none of the Apple execs has said that, this is just a divination of the blog writers.
The Plus model is 10% wider for content than the X and 7 but the screen on the X is taller than the Plus so the notch isn't going to cause any loss in height, it's an overall gain in screen height combined with a smaller device height.
I don't think Plus users will have any problems migrating to the X, here's a dummy X compared to the Plus:
It may take a while for the price of the X to come down but I don't see a reason to keep the Plus in the lineup once it does.
I suspect they’ll drop the X model. The only real reason for it’s existence this year is because of the too much talked about problem of getting enough screens, and possibly, some other parts. If next year they can get LG to produce high quality screens, which apparently they can’t do this year, and enough to supplement the ones from Samsung, which will be able to produce more, there will be enough for two models. Since the X is an in between sized model, that’s really too many, and not enough differentiation in size.
Apple likely wants, and needs two models, and not three. I don’t think they want that many skus. I’m not buying the X because I want a wider phone, just like my 7+, or thereabouts. I imagine the prices will drop as well. The only reason I see Apple continuing the X as a series, is if they can’t get costs down enough.
but the very name looks like a one off. While we get numbered editions, with actual numbers, we got the Roman version for this. So while we could see an S Series next year, we could also see a “9” Series, if they intend to continue to drop that S in-between versioning. So what happens after that? Would we really have an X generation phone along with a 10 generation phone at the same time? And what would Apple be calling this monstrosity? X2, Xsquared, XmkII, Xmark II? It’s going to get bad. I think they used that naming so it would be special, so that it could be a one off, as also, conveniently for the tenth year anniversary.
Discontinuing it next year year would make sense, as long as screen supplies aren’t a problem, because if they are, then we’ll just have one OLED model again.
Oh, yeah, what happens next year? No way does the X’s manufacturing cost come down in time to make it the only new model. I guess that’s why they released the 8 alongside it (with the same chip…); now they can release the iPhone 9 and iPhone XI concurrently next year. Maybe by iPhone XII it will be the only model.
I reckon they'll bring out an iPhone 9 and keep the iPhone X the same or maybe an XS model, drop the price to $899 and remove the $799 Plus model. They might have a 9S Plus for a year and then drop the X to $799 in 2019.
I don't think the designs are going to change much at all going forward just like the SE/5 model hasn't. This is why they'll have held back some color options from the X. They can introduce jet black, red models at a later date. I don't think it will be XII in branding, they might do it like OS X so have revision numbers separate from the brand or just years like the Macs, iPhone X (2018) etc.
Having models at a range of prices helps them grow marketshare, look how cheap an SE can be bought for:
The SE is a great phone to have and that price point is accessible to most people. I think it will be a long time before Apple only has one model of iPhone, maybe never. The iPhone 5 was introduced in 2012 and the SE now 5 years later is at that price down from $649. The X will give Apple at least another 5 years of high-end sales before it gets down to the level of the current 7 model and at that point, the 7 will be where the SE is now. The marketshare they gain from hitting a larger range of price points will maintain their revenue for at least a decade.
The X is 3mm wider than the 8 and 7mm narrower than the Plus, also you lose a fair bit of the height due to the exclusion of the top around the notch and the bottom where the slide bar is, the screen also uses the narrow viewport of the 8 vs the wider viewport of the Plus models. It also doesn't have the landscape modes for the home screen like the plus has.
So, if you like the plus models Im suspecting that the X is gonna feel squished. I really hope not as I'm going from 7 Plus to X but I will have 14 days to exchange it if it feels cramped like I find the 7/8 models. Really hoping the higher DPI makes up for the smaller display. ( I attached an image showing the screen sizes, the usable part of the X is lined up with the other screens red=iphone 8, Blue=iPhone X Green=iPhone 8 Plus)
iPhone X is not a replacement for the Plus model. Aspect ratios don't match. The X has just the width of an iPhone 7. That can't be a replacement for a Plus. Both iPhone 8 and 8 Plus will survive until Apple comes up with a TouchID solution for the X to achieve multi biometrics. FaceID is not a replacement for TouchID either, none of the Apple execs has said that, this is just a divination of the blog writers.
The Plus model is 10% wider for content than the X and 7 but the screen on the X is taller than the Plus so the notch isn't going to cause any loss in height, it's an overall gain in screen height combined with a smaller device height.
I don't think Plus users will have any problems migrating to the X, here's a dummy X compared to the Plus:
It may take a while for the price of the X to come down but I don't see a reason to keep the Plus in the lineup once it does.
You are plain wrong in coming to a conclusion based on dummies and alike. Just read your own post: 414 > 375. The Plus display has more width than X in terms of screen content. There is no way the X model be a substitute for the Plus.
Oh, yeah, what happens next year? No way does the X’s manufacturing cost come down in time to make it the only new model. I guess that’s why they released the 8 alongside it (with the same chip…); now they can release the iPhone 9 and iPhone XI concurrently next year. Maybe by iPhone XII it will be the only model.
I reckon they'll bring out an iPhone 9 and keep the iPhone X the same or maybe an XS model, drop the price to $899 and remove the $799 Plus model. They might have a 9S Plus for a year and then drop the X to $799 in 2019.
I don't think the designs are going to change much at all going forward just like the SE/5 model hasn't. This is why they'll have held back some color options from the X. They can introduce jet black, red models at a later date. I don't think it will be XII in branding, they might do it like OS X so have revision numbers separate from the brand or just years like the Macs, iPhone X (2018) etc.
Having models at a range of prices helps them grow marketshare, look how cheap an SE can be bought for:
The SE is a great phone to have and that price point is accessible to most people. I think it will be a long time before Apple only has one model of iPhone, maybe never. The iPhone 5 was introduced in 2012 and the SE now 5 years later is at that price down from $649. The X will give Apple at least another 5 years of high-end sales before it gets down to the level of the current 7 model and at that point, the 7 will be where the SE is now. The marketshare they gain from hitting a larger range of price points will maintain their revenue for at least a decade.
The X is 3mm wider than the 8 and 7mm narrower than the Plus, also you lose a fair bit of the height due to the exclusion of the top around the notch and the bottom where the slide bar is, the screen also uses the narrow viewport of the 8 vs the wider viewport of the Plus models. It also doesn't have the landscape modes for the home screen like the plus has.
So, if you like the plus models Im suspecting that the X is gonna feel squished. I really hope not as I'm going from 7 Plus to X but I will have 14 days to exchange it if it feels cramped like I find the 7/8 models. Really hoping the higher DPI makes up for the smaller display. ( I attached an image showing the screen sizes, the usable part of the X is lined up with the other screens red=iphone 8, Blue=iPhone X Green=iPhone 8 Plus)
iPhone X is not a replacement for the Plus model. Aspect ratios don't match. The X has just the width of an iPhone 7. That can't be a replacement for a Plus. Both iPhone 8 and 8 Plus will survive until Apple comes up with a TouchID solution for the X to achieve multi biometrics. FaceID is not a replacement for TouchID either, none of the Apple execs has said that, this is just a divination of the blog writers.
The Plus model is 10% wider for content than the X and 7 but the screen on the X is taller than the Plus so the notch isn't going to cause any loss in height, it's an overall gain in screen height combined with a smaller device height.
I don't think Plus users will have any problems migrating to the X, here's a dummy X compared to the Plus:
It may take a while for the price of the X to come down but I don't see a reason to keep the Plus in the lineup once it does.
You are plain wrong in coming to a conclusion based on dummies and alike. Just read your own post: 414 > 375. The Plus display has more width than X in terms of screen content. There is no way the X model be a substitute for the Plus.
Interesting to see that Apple now has a phone lineup that spans from $350 to $1150, wow.
That $1150 price point feels just absurd. Will be interesting to see how this sells.
I guess I'll be holding on to my (perfectly awesome) iPhone 7 for at least another year or two.
Well, Tim Cook did say the iPhone X is what Apple envisions for the next ten years. So I assume, at some time, prices will come down to more mainstream levels once production ramps up to Apple's scale, probably two to three years.
I don't think so.
I thin Apple is breaking new ground: true luxury phones.
I expect next year or the year after to offer an X phone with a 6.5+ inch screen that will start at $1099 or more.
Apple has to do this. All the other brands are racing to the bottom. Apple is racing to the top.
I agree, Apple will come out with a bigger version of the iPhone X next year. But there's only so far up you can go before you get consumer push back and sales start to hurt.
I honestly don't know why there aren't 13.5" screen Android phones today. Not sure why manufacturers are so hestitant to go above 6" - 7" screens. Once you enter ridiculous size territory, actual usability no longer holds manufacturers back, and it's just a mad grab for attention and bragging rights.
Just 42 months ago or so one of the fun games here was ridiculing 5"+ "phablets". Funny pictures of big ol' phones held up to faces got thumbs-up, yeah take that Android, with comments by the dozen that they were unusable 'cause you couldn't reach your thumb to the corners and who wants to use a phone with two hands? Dozens more claiming Apple would never do such an obviously dumb thing with iPhones, and if you wanted a big ultra-portable screen Apple already had that covered the right way with the iPad Mini (before that it was "just carry an iPad with you") and everyone else was just absolutely ridiculous with those big phone screens that made you look downright silly and laughable...
...only to morph into "OMG the iPhone X is the most beautiful phone I've ever seen". Things do have a way of changing in a relatively short time don't they?
No, because the sizes in those memes and from some of the knockoffs are still stupidly large. Neither X nor Plus are stupidly large. Try again.
The Plus model iPhones may have qualified somewhat as phablet but the iPhone X is their replacement. Once they can drop the price down, the X can displace the Plus models entirely.
I'd quite like a smaller iPhone X mini with just under 5" display but the iPhone X size is much better than the Plus model and phablets while offering the same benefits.
Both iPhone 8 and 8 Plus will survive until Apple comes up with a TouchID solution for the X to achieve multi biometrics. FaceID is not a replacement for TouchID either, none of the Apple execs has said that, this is just a divination of the blog writers.
To the contrary, senior VP of software engineering Craig Federighi has said almost exactly that. They feel it is the continued evolution and that all the panic from those that haven't used it is just like the same panic before Touch ID, and that these fears will "melt away" when it's in end users hands.
Now everyone's worried because they can't imagine life without Touch ID. We're going to see exactly the same thing with Face ID.
Federighi went on to say that as much as Apple loves Touch ID, Face ID is "that much better." He confirmed that Apple believes Face ID is the future of biometric authentication
He went on to say he understands the uncertainty, but that it will "melt away" once people experience the product. "You don't even think about it," he said.
...as a senior apple exec, he sounds pretty confident. Gruber suggests Touch ID will not be returning to new models of the X and I believe him.
I've read all of these. Federighi also said "multiple setup" which authors interpret as "FaceID + password"... But it is not, as already revealed by code strings, what Federighi gives a hint about is multi biometrics. Password is not biometrics, it is knowledge.
Edit: here it is, in the MacRumors link above (the sentence you snipped intentionally the rest): "He confirmed that Apple believes Face ID is the future of biometric authentication, with the caveat that there are settings where different biometric techniques or combinations of biometrics could make sense." That is multi biometrics...
I trimmed it because 1) You claimed no Apple exec said this was the future. Yet there, he said exactly that. 2) could doesn't mean anything, and Gruber, who speaks to these guys and others off the record, has said it's not happening.
I know you're panicked, but you just need to accept the change.
He said, unprompted, that he could envison multiple biometrics in the future. I mean that is obvious - although it may not happen on the X, but as long as the home button exists in the other models there is no reason to remove touchID and every reason to add faceID to those models.
Oh, yeah, what happens next year? No way does the X’s manufacturing cost come down in time to make it the only new model. I guess that’s why they released the 8 alongside it (with the same chip…); now they can release the iPhone 9 and iPhone XI concurrently next year. Maybe by iPhone XII it will be the only model.
I reckon they'll bring out an iPhone 9 and keep the iPhone X the same or maybe an XS model, drop the price to $899 and remove the $799 Plus model. They might have a 9S Plus for a year and then drop the X to $799 in 2019.
I don't think the designs are going to change much at all going forward just like the SE/5 model hasn't. This is why they'll have held back some color options from the X. They can introduce jet black, red models at a later date. I don't think it will be XII in branding, they might do it like OS X so have revision numbers separate from the brand or just years like the Macs, iPhone X (2018) etc.
Having models at a range of prices helps them grow marketshare, look how cheap an SE can be bought for:
The SE is a great phone to have and that price point is accessible to most people. I think it will be a long time before Apple only has one model of iPhone, maybe never. The iPhone 5 was introduced in 2012 and the SE now 5 years later is at that price down from $649. The X will give Apple at least another 5 years of high-end sales before it gets down to the level of the current 7 model and at that point, the 7 will be where the SE is now. The marketshare they gain from hitting a larger range of price points will maintain their revenue for at least a decade.
The X is 3mm wider than the 8 and 7mm narrower than the Plus, also you lose a fair bit of the height due to the exclusion of the top around the notch and the bottom where the slide bar is, the screen also uses the narrow viewport of the 8 vs the wider viewport of the Plus models. It also doesn't have the landscape modes for the home screen like the plus has.
So, if you like the plus models Im suspecting that the X is gonna feel squished. I really hope not as I'm going from 7 Plus to X but I will have 14 days to exchange it if it feels cramped like I find the 7/8 models. Really hoping the higher DPI makes up for the smaller display. ( I attached an image showing the screen sizes, the usable part of the X is lined up with the other screens red=iphone 8, Blue=iPhone X Green=iPhone 8 Plus)
iPhone X is not a replacement for the Plus model. Aspect ratios don't match. The X has just the width of an iPhone 7. That can't be a replacement for a Plus. Both iPhone 8 and 8 Plus will survive until Apple comes up with a TouchID solution for the X to achieve multi biometrics. FaceID is not a replacement for TouchID either, none of the Apple execs has said that, this is just a divination of the blog writers.
The Plus model is 10% wider for content than the X and 7 but the screen on the X is taller than the Plus so the notch isn't going to cause any loss in height, it's an overall gain in screen height combined with a smaller device height.
I don't think Plus users will have any problems migrating to the X, here's a dummy X compared to the Plus:
It may take a while for the price of the X to come down but I don't see a reason to keep the Plus in the lineup once it does.
I suspect they’ll drop the X model. The only real reason for it’s existence this year is because of the too much talked about problem of getting enough screens, and possibly, some other parts. If next year they can get LG to produce high quality screens, which apparently they can’t do this year, and enough to supplement the ones from Samsung, which will be able to produce more, there will be enough for two models. Since the X is an in between sized model, that’s really too many, and not enough differentiation in size.
Apple likely wants, and needs two models, and not three. I don’t think they want that many skus. I’m not buying the X because I want a wider phone, just like my 7+, or thereabouts. I imagine the prices will drop as well. The only reason I see Apple continuing the X as a series, is if they can’t get costs down enough.
but the very name looks like a one off. While we get numbered editions, with actual numbers, we got the Roman version for this. So while we could see an S Series next year, we could also see a “9” Series, if they intend to continue to drop that S in-between versioning. So what happens after that? Would we really have an X generation phone along with a 10 generation phone at the same time? And what would Apple be calling this monstrosity? X2, Xsquared, XmkII, Xmark II? It’s going to get bad. I think they used that naming so it would be special, so that it could be a one off, as also, conveniently for the tenth year anniversary.
Discontinuing it next year year would make sense, as long as screen supplies aren’t a problem, because if they are, then we’ll just have one OLED model again.
I think you havent read Grubers piece on this. Its pretty good.
Apple need an expensive phone, one not for the masses, to continue to innovate. Because scaling up all those components is a nightmare. In fact it looks like they underpriced it.
But that’s too simplistic. You can’t talk about iPhone specs and pricing without considering scale. It’s not enough for Apple to create a phone that can be sold for $649/749/849 with 35 percent profit margins. They have to create a phone that can be sold at those prices, with those margins, and which can be manufactured at scale. And for Apple that scale is massive: anything less than 60–70 million in the quarter in which it goes on sale is a failure — possibly a catastrophic failure.
In short, new iPhones aren’t defined by what Apple can build for a certain price, but by what Apple can make for a certain price at a certain incredibly high quantity.
Oh, yeah, what happens next year? No way does the X’s manufacturing cost come down in time to make it the only new model. I guess that’s why they released the 8 alongside it (with the same chip…); now they can release the iPhone 9 and iPhone XI concurrently next year. Maybe by iPhone XII it will be the only model.
I reckon they'll bring out an iPhone 9 and keep the iPhone X the same or maybe an XS model, drop the price to $899 and remove the $799 Plus model. They might have a 9S Plus for a year and then drop the X to $799 in 2019.
I don't think the designs are going to change much at all going forward just like the SE/5 model hasn't. This is why they'll have held back some color options from the X. They can introduce jet black, red models at a later date. I don't think it will be XII in branding, they might do it like OS X so have revision numbers separate from the brand or just years like the Macs, iPhone X (2018) etc.
Having models at a range of prices helps them grow marketshare, look how cheap an SE can be bought for:
The SE is a great phone to have and that price point is accessible to most people. I think it will be a long time before Apple only has one model of iPhone, maybe never. The iPhone 5 was introduced in 2012 and the SE now 5 years later is at that price down from $649. The X will give Apple at least another 5 years of high-end sales before it gets down to the level of the current 7 model and at that point, the 7 will be where the SE is now. The marketshare they gain from hitting a larger range of price points will maintain their revenue for at least a decade.
The X is 3mm wider than the 8 and 7mm narrower than the Plus, also you lose a fair bit of the height due to the exclusion of the top around the notch and the bottom where the slide bar is, the screen also uses the narrow viewport of the 8 vs the wider viewport of the Plus models. It also doesn't have the landscape modes for the home screen like the plus has.
So, if you like the plus models Im suspecting that the X is gonna feel squished. I really hope not as I'm going from 7 Plus to X but I will have 14 days to exchange it if it feels cramped like I find the 7/8 models. Really hoping the higher DPI makes up for the smaller display. ( I attached an image showing the screen sizes, the usable part of the X is lined up with the other screens red=iphone 8, Blue=iPhone X Green=iPhone 8 Plus)
iPhone X is not a replacement for the Plus model. Aspect ratios don't match. The X has just the width of an iPhone 7. That can't be a replacement for a Plus. Both iPhone 8 and 8 Plus will survive until Apple comes up with a TouchID solution for the X to achieve multi biometrics. FaceID is not a replacement for TouchID either, none of the Apple execs has said that, this is just a divination of the blog writers.
The Plus model is 10% wider for content than the X and 7 but the screen on the X is taller than the Plus so the notch isn't going to cause any loss in height, it's an overall gain in screen height combined with a smaller device height.
I don't think Plus users will have any problems migrating to the X, here's a dummy X compared to the Plus:
It may take a while for the price of the X to come down but I don't see a reason to keep the Plus in the lineup once it does.
I suspect they’ll drop the X model. The only real reason for it’s existence this year is because of the too much talked about problem of getting enough screens, and possibly, some other parts. If next year they can get LG to produce high quality screens, which apparently they can’t do this year, and enough to supplement the ones from Samsung, which will be able to produce more, there will be enough for two models. Since the X is an in between sized model, that’s really too many, and not enough differentiation in size.
Apple likely wants, and needs two models, and not three. I don’t think they want that many skus. I’m not buying the X because I want a wider phone, just like my 7+, or thereabouts. I imagine the prices will drop as well. The only reason I see Apple continuing the X as a series, is if they can’t get costs down enough.
but the very name looks like a one off. While we get numbered editions, with actual numbers, we got the Roman version for this. So while we could see an S Series next year, we could also see a “9” Series, if they intend to continue to drop that S in-between versioning. So what happens after that? Would we really have an X generation phone along with a 10 generation phone at the same time? And what would Apple be calling this monstrosity? X2, Xsquared, XmkII, Xmark II? It’s going to get bad. I think they used that naming so it would be special, so that it could be a one off, as also, conveniently for the tenth year anniversary.
Discontinuing it next year year would make sense, as long as screen supplies aren’t a problem, because if they are, then we’ll just have one OLED model again.
I think you havent read Grubers piece on this. Its pretty good.
Apple need an expensive phone, one not for the masses, to continue to innovate. Because scaling up all those components is a nightmare. In fact it looks like they underpriced it.
But that’s too simplistic. You can’t talk about iPhone specs and pricing without considering scale. It’s not enough for Apple to create a phone that can be sold for $649/749/849 with 35 percent profit margins. They have to create a phone that can be sold at those prices, with those margins, and which can be manufactured at scale. And for Apple that scale is massive: anything less than 60–70 million in the quarter in which it goes on sale is a failure — possibly a catastrophic failure.
In short, new iPhones aren’t defined by what Apple can build for a certain price, but by what Apple can make for a certain price at a certain incredibly high quantity.
I believe it was Mr Cook himself who said the X is value-priced or something to that effect.
The naming convention is cleverly subversive and will present Samsung with a problem. Samsung skipped the Note 6 and went from 5 to 7. Similarly Windows eschewed Windows 9 and went from 8 to 10. Apple have gone one better that both of those two, they have not only skipped 9 as well by going from 7 straight to 8 and X, but because X is pronounced 10 they will be able to leapfrog everyone and retire the 8 line of phone design completely and call all their next gen phones iPhone 11. Genius, can't wait to see what Samsung will do they'll have to go from Galaxy 8 to Galaxy 11 just to keep up.
Exactly. Intelligence is always worth praise. They’re literally forcing everyone to forget the 8 just as soon as it’s Nov. 11. There won’t be an iPhone 8s or 9 or 9s. Probably they ditch the innumeration altogether next year. If the X sells ... but this choice was a reflection of its anniversary and to purposefully mock its rivals historical choice to skip numbers after mistakes... simply by conscripting how the label would sound as it was pronounced vs. marketed.
Unless you think Windows 8.1 wasn’t a mistake... because it for sure was.
The naming convention is cleverly subversive and will present Samsung with a problem. Samsung skipped the Note 6 and went from 5 to 7. Similarly Windows eschewed Windows 9 and went from 8 to 10. Apple have gone one better that both of those two, they have not only skipped 9 as well by going from 7 straight to 8 and X, but because X is pronounced 10 they will be able to leapfrog everyone and retire the 8 line of phone design completely and call all their next gen phones iPhone 11. Genius, can't wait to see what Samsung will do they'll have to go from Galaxy 8 to Galaxy 11 just to keep up.
Exactly. Intelligence is always worth praise. They’re literally forcing everyone to forget the 8 just as soon as it’s Nov. 11. There won’t be an iPhone 8s or 9 or 9s. Probably they ditch the innumeration altogether next year. If the X sells ... but this choice was a reflection of its anniversary and to purposefully mock its rivals historical choice to skip numbers after mistakes... simply by conscripting how the label would sound as it was pronounced vs. marketed.
Unless you think Windows 8.1 wasn’t a mistake... because it for sure was.
Thats genius.
I agree there won't be an iPhone 9 but not for the "mocking competitors" reason you've guessed at. The number 9 in Chinese is a curse word, while in Japanese it's akin to torture and agony. So for the same reason there is not Windows 9 there won't be an iPhone 9. There won't be an iPhone 13 either unless Apple loses their marketing mojo.
The naming convention is cleverly subversive and will present Samsung with a problem. Samsung skipped the Note 6 and went from 5 to 7. Similarly Windows eschewed Windows 9 and went from 8 to 10. Apple have gone one better that both of those two, they have not only skipped 9 as well by going from 7 straight to 8 and X, but because X is pronounced 10 they will be able to leapfrog everyone and retire the 8 line of phone design completely and call all their next gen phones iPhone 11. Genius, can't wait to see what Samsung will do they'll have to go from Galaxy 8 to Galaxy 11 just to keep up.
Exactly. Intelligence is always worth praise. They’re literally forcing everyone to forget the 8 just as soon as it’s Nov. 11. There won’t be an iPhone 8s or 9 or 9s. Probably they ditch the innumeration altogether next year. If the X sells ... but this choice was a reflection of its anniversary and to purposefully mock its rivals historical choice to skip numbers after mistakes... simply by conscripting how the label would sound as it was pronounced vs. marketed.
Unless you think Windows 8.1 wasn’t a mistake... because it for sure was.
Thats genius.
I agree there won't be an iPhone 9 but not for the "mocking competitors" reason you've guessed at. The number 9 in Chinese is a curse word, while in Japanese it's akin to torture and agony. So for the same reason there is not Windows 9 there won't be an iPhone 9. There won't be an iPhone 13 either unless Apple loses their marketing mojo.
Yeh. So that model might be called the iPhone in future. It can't be the 10 given the pronunciation of the X. Which I still find confusing.
Scenario A 1) place finger on Touch ID to unlock 2) press Touch ID to go to Home
In fairness, Scenario A can be a one-step sequence.
Pressing the Home button can be an Unlock and go Home in one motion.
Yes, which is why I also said, "With the newer gen of Touch ID sensors, and from everything we've read about Face ID, both steps 1 & 2 in both scenarios can happen at essentially the exact same time if you want to go straight to Home."
The naming convention is cleverly subversive and will present Samsung with a problem. Samsung skipped the Note 6 and went from 5 to 7. Similarly Windows eschewed Windows 9 and went from 8 to 10. Apple have gone one better that both of those two, they have not only skipped 9 as well by going from 7 straight to 8 and X, but because X is pronounced 10 they will be able to leapfrog everyone and retire the 8 line of phone design completely and call all their next gen phones iPhone 11. Genius, can't wait to see what Samsung will do they'll have to go from Galaxy 8 to Galaxy 11 just to keep up.
Exactly. Intelligence is always worth praise. They’re literally forcing everyone to forget the 8 just as soon as it’s Nov. 11. There won’t be an iPhone 8s or 9 or 9s. Probably they ditch the innumeration altogether next year. If the X sells ... but this choice was a reflection of its anniversary and to purposefully mock its rivals historical choice to skip numbers after mistakes... simply by conscripting how the label would sound as it was pronounced vs. marketed.
Unless you think Windows 8.1 wasn’t a mistake... because it for sure was.
Thats genius.
I agree there won't be an iPhone 9 but not for the "mocking competitors" reason you've guessed at. The number 9 in Chinese is a curse word, while in Japanese it's akin to torture and agony. So for the same reason there is not Windows 9 there won't be an iPhone 9. There won't be an iPhone 13 either unless Apple loses their marketing mojo.
Wow, I didn't know about the language issue with the number 9. Is that really why Windows skipped 9?
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I don't think the designs are going to change much at all going forward just like the SE/5 model hasn't. This is why they'll have held back some color options from the X. They can introduce jet black, red models at a later date. I don't think it will be XII in branding, they might do it like OS X so have revision numbers separate from the brand or just years like the Macs, iPhone X (2018) etc.
Having models at a range of prices helps them grow marketshare, look how cheap an SE can be bought for:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Straight-Talk-Apple-iPhone-SE-16GB-Prepaid-Smartphone/52129526 ($130)
The SE is a great phone to have and that price point is accessible to most people. I think it will be a long time before Apple only has one model of iPhone, maybe never. The iPhone 5 was introduced in 2012 and the SE now 5 years later is at that price down from $649. The X will give Apple at least another 5 years of high-end sales before it gets down to the level of the current 7 model and at that point, the 7 will be where the SE is now. The marketshare they gain from hitting a larger range of price points will maintain their revenue for at least a decade.
The Plus model is 10% wider for content than the X and 7 but the screen on the X is taller than the Plus so the notch isn't going to cause any loss in height, it's an overall gain in screen height combined with a smaller device height.
https://www.paintcodeapp.com/news/ultimate-guide-to-iphone-resolutions
I don't think Plus users will have any problems migrating to the X, here's a dummy X compared to the Plus:
It may take a while for the price of the X to come down but I don't see a reason to keep the Plus in the lineup once it does.
Apple likely wants, and needs two models, and not three. I don’t think they want that many skus. I’m not buying the X because I want a wider phone, just like my 7+, or thereabouts. I imagine the prices will drop as well. The only reason I see Apple continuing the X as a series, is if they can’t get costs down enough.
but the very name looks like a one off. While we get numbered editions, with actual numbers, we got the Roman version for this. So while we could see an S Series next year, we could also see a “9” Series, if they intend to continue to drop that S in-between versioning. So what happens after that? Would we really have an X generation phone along with a 10 generation phone at the same time? And what would Apple be calling this monstrosity? X2, Xsquared, XmkII, Xmark II? It’s going to get bad. I think they used that naming so it would be special, so that it could be a one off, as also, conveniently for the tenth year anniversary.
Discontinuing it next year year would make sense, as long as screen supplies aren’t a problem, because if they are, then we’ll just have one OLED model again.
Apple need an expensive phone, one not for the masses, to continue to innovate. Because scaling up all those components is a nightmare. In fact it looks like they underpriced it.
https://daringfireball.net/2017/07/speculation_on_new_iphone_pricing
synopsis if you cant be bothered reading
But that’s too simplistic. You can’t talk about iPhone specs and pricing without considering scale. It’s not enough for Apple to create a phone that can be sold for $649/749/849 with 35 percent profit margins. They have to create a phone that can be sold at those prices, with those margins, and which can be manufactured at scale. And for Apple that scale is massive: anything less than 60–70 million in the quarter in which it goes on sale is a failure — possibly a catastrophic failure.
In short, new iPhones aren’t defined by what Apple can build for a certain price, but by what Apple can make for a certain price at a certain incredibly high quantity.
Pressing the Home button can be an Unlock and go Home in one motion.
Unless you think Windows 8.1 wasn’t a mistake... because it for sure was.
Thats genius.
Wow, I didn't know about the language issue with the number 9. Is that really why Windows skipped 9?