I wish Apple would just add a "guest mode" to the phone, and you can select which apps are accessible in this mode. So if someone needs to check your phone to look something up, or look at recent photos etc, you can offer it with peace of mind. I often have friends/family that ask to look something up with my phone - I don't refuse cause then I seem like an asshole, but I'm on edge as I can't see what the hell they're going on it.
My wife is the only person I allow access without question. Otherwise... "May I borrow your phone?" "Uhhh, no, sorry, do you want to make a call? what is the number?" then I dial the number, and hand them the phone, after locking it. I am more likely to surrender a credit card or ID, than my phone.
I tried adding my fingerprint to my wife's phone once, her finger print stopped working, we haven't tried it since then. The answer to allowing a family member to unlock your phone is the same as it's always been, let them know your pass code.
Just because adding other family member's fingerprints didn't work for you "once" doesn't mean it's not a valid use case. As far as I'm concerned "the answer to allowing a family member to unlock your phone is the same as it's always been: either let them register their finger on your phone or let them know your pass code."
Frankly, if iPhone X doesn't let you register multiple faces, I'll have to think twice about getting. There have been so many cases in which I had to use my wife's phone or she mine when the other person's phone just wasn't around - with our fingerprints registered on both, we didn't have to worry about entering (or remembering) the other person's pass code - which we've made pretty long/complex/secure since we've started using Touch ID.
I tried adding my fingerprint to my wife's phone once, her finger print stopped working, we haven't tried it since then. The answer to allowing a family member to unlock your phone is the same as it's always been, let them know your pass code.
And so much of this article is just ridiculous, like this:
Face ID has already proven controversial for other reasons, such as concerns about security and privacy.
Only by people who don't understand how it works.
and this:
a device might suddenly shut off when it's being shared with a friend
Give Apple some credit here.
My phone is shared with my wife and vise versa using fingerprints. No problems for two years.
Well that's absolutely counter to what Gurman said, tho based on what you've discovered and considering that it is from Apple themselves he was plainly mistaken. With that said I'm really extremely surprised it is locked to one specific face.
What is the point of having multiple Face ID for ONE personal phone? Multiple fingerprints for Touch ID is understandable because people have 10 fingers, but only ONE face. If one concerns about loved ones being unable to access the phone, give them the pass code instead.
Apple has encouraged us to come up with long/complex/hard-to-remember passwords because we have Touch ID so we don't have to enter them often. Why would/should I have to tell my wife my long/complex/hard-to-type password just so she can use my phone and start navigation while I'm driving. When you're married and/or have children, there are infinite reasons why you'd want to cross-register your family's fingerprint on devices. It's frankly ridiculous that Apple would limit convenient access to their flagship phone to a single user.
My phone is shared with my wife and vise versa using fingerprints. No problems for two years.
Same here - and, frankly people who say "you weren't supposed to do this" are just making sh1t up - Apple never made such a statement. They never said "register only your own fingerprints on this device - because this iPhone is only meant for YOU". So people like you and me did what's really reasonable and convenient between couples. The same goes even more for the even more 'communal' iPad and/or MacBook - in most families, there's one each of those - not one for every member. So, of course, you'd register everyone's fingerprint on them.
Too bad. Wonder why they did this - was it a technical limitation of the hardware or simply a design decision. It's very convenient for my wife and I to have our fingerprints on each others' phones.
The use case is just different: "Honey, can I borrow your phone? "Sure." "Thanks, look over here." Now it supports remote handsfree (no touching required) authentication, within a foot or few anyway. I can see this being fairly useful in various circumstances.
"Honey will you answer my phone" might not be quite as convenient.
Clearly you don't have the devices you love to critique, since it's never been necessary to unlock an iPhone to answer an incoming phone call.
FUD! I need moar FUD! Bring me my FUD!
Thanks for the hand-spank, you get a gold-star from me.
Please. If you're going to dedicate this much of your life to promoting a google agenda on an Apple site, don't act put out when folks are critical of FUD nonsense. Face ID incurs no ease-of-use penalties when others wish to answer the iPhone.
Too bad. Wonder why they did this - was it a technical limitation of the hardware or simply a design decision. It's very convenient for my wife and I to have our fingerprints on each others' phones.
The use case is just different: "Honey, can I borrow your phone? "Sure." "Thanks, look over here." Now it supports remote handsfree (no touching required) authentication, within a foot or few anyway. I can see this being fairly useful in various circumstances.
"Honey will you answer my phone" might not be quite as convenient.
Clearly you don't have the devices you love to critique, since it's never been necessary to unlock an iPhone to answer an incoming phone call.
FUD! I need moar FUD! Bring me my FUD!
Thanks for the hand-spank, you get a gold-star from me.
Please. If you're going to dedicate this much of your life to promoting a google agenda on an Apple site, don't act put out when folks are critical of FUD nonsense. Face ID incurs no ease-of-use penalties when others wish to answer the iPhone.
Put out?? I'm not sure you actually read what I wrote. It was a legitimate thnk you as I knocked on my own head. The gold star was for getting on on me, a rarity as I do my best to be accurate. I don't give out too many gold stars.
I just confirmed it by going to apple.com and chatting with a sales support engineer: at launch only a single face can be registered. I told them to forward my feedback about that to Apple - he said he would and suggested I also go to https://www.apple.com/feedback/ and do the same. Which I, of course, will do.
Friggin' stupid decision. What kind of "future" is this iPhone X supposed to be - it's supposed to be their flagship product - yet can't be used like a plain-jane iPhone 8.
Well that's absolutely counter to what Gurman said, tho based on what you've discovered and considering that it is from Apple themselves he was plainly mistaken. With that said I'm really extremely surprised it is locked to one specific face.
What is the point of having multiple Face ID for ONE personal phone? Multiple fingerprints for Touch ID is understandable because people have 10 fingers, but only ONE face. If one concerns about loved ones being unable to access the phone, give them the pass code instead.
Apple has encouraged us to come up with long/complex/hard-to-remember passwords...
why can't your wife use HER phone to make the phone call?
Back in the day, we had to remember ten!!! digits to make a phone call. And every person we wanted to call had their own unique ten digit code we had to use to call them!
(Sorry, a six digit passcode does not qualify for a long complex hard to remember password to obtain access to a cell phone)
oh, and re: multiple fingerprints - we have 40 iPads @ work with multiple prints each, and never had an issue over the years. The prints unlock the iPad & the medical records software, so we can have the iPads lock quick & open quick.
Can't you share passcode(like adding extra fingerID) with family members if you want to share iPhone X ?
Yup
Yes - but here's the issue - when you share the passcode (which BTW is only one in iPhone) you are really sharing all access to all aspects of Phone - including ability to go to restricted areas, add more fingers, turn ON Apple Pay, etc. etc.
With adding extra finger (even though that gives quite an access), it's still has restrictions - and can be easily locked out or finger impression removed, or device locked so that no one can access... without first unlocking with PIN
Well that's absolutely counter to what Gurman said, tho based on what you've discovered and considering that it is from Apple themselves he was plainly mistaken. With that said I'm really extremely surprised it is locked to one specific face.
What is the point of having multiple Face ID for ONE personal phone? Multiple fingerprints for Touch ID is understandable because people have 10 fingers, but only ONE face. If one concerns about loved ones being unable to access the phone, give them the pass code instead.
Apple has encouraged us to come up with long/complex/hard-to-remember passwords because we have Touch ID so we don't have to enter them often. Why would/should I have to tell my wife my long/complex/hard-to-type password just so she can use my phone and start navigation while I'm driving. When you're married and/or have children, there are infinite reasons why you'd want to cross-register your family's fingerprint on devices. It's frankly ridiculous that Apple would limit convenient access to their flagship phone to a single user.
why can't your wife use HER phone to make the phone call?
I'm assuming you're not married. Because if you were, you'd realize how unrealistic it would be to deny your spouse to use your phone when she requests it, telling her to use hers, when it happens to be on the other side of the room and yours is on the couch right next to her. Ideally she would, but realistically she will ask to use yours at times (or often) and it's not worth creating friction or fucking up the relationship by refusing.
As for FaceID being limited to one person, I couldn't care less. If it makes it slightly less convenient for another person to use, that's fine.
Too bad. Wonder why they did this - was it a technical limitation of the hardware or simply a design decision. It's very convenient for my wife and I to have our fingerprints on each others' phones.
As to the privacy concerns, they were raised before with Touch ID. I don't see how this is any different. If anything, it's less of a concern, since your face is readily visible in public at all times whereas your fingerprints are somewhat more 'concealed.' Either way, from their description, the security seems to be similar if not the same for both systems, so I'm not too concerned. Besides, you don't have to use either system if you're really worried.
"U.S. Senator Al Franken has submitted a letter to Apple CEO Tim Cook, asking him to provide details on how the company intends to protect customer data, prevent spoofing, and support a diverse range of people."
Franken is grandstanding as though HE had any oversight into how the iPhone, or ANY handset for that matter, operates.
There is absolutely no question about how Apple feels about personal security or privacy. Apple may have over looked a couple very minor points, but those will be fixed long before they become a significant problem and immediately made available to EVERYONE that bought the iPhone X, something no Android can do.
This is a right decision by Apple, I support it. Your phone should be personal and only accessible by you. Although I can understand that in some rare situation where a family prefer to share an iPhone, but then there is a passcode for that.
Well that's absolutely counter to what Gurman said, tho based on what you've discovered and considering that it is from Apple themselves he was plainly mistaken. With that said I'm really extremely surprised it is locked to one specific face.
I have to think at a minimum that this is an initial restriction until they can get the thing rolled out to 100 million customers and make sure that it works as well as it does in the laboratory. There's way too many use cases for spouses, families, and so forth to limit this technology to one face. Moreover, there's very little risk in doing this now, as the early adopters of a $1,000 phone are not likely to be the people that would want to give another person access. SO it probably works out just fine by the time they're ready to open it up ...
I tried adding my fingerprint to my wife's phone once, her finger print stopped working, we haven't tried it since then. The answer to allowing a family member to unlock your phone is the same as it's always been, let them know your pass code.
Just because adding other family member's fingerprints didn't work for you "once" doesn't mean it's not a valid use case. As far as I'm concerned "the answer to allowing a family member to unlock your phone is the same as it's always been: either let them register their finger on your phone or let them know your pass code."
Frankly, if iPhone X doesn't let you register multiple faces, I'll have to think twice about getting. There have been so many cases in which I had to use my wife's phone or she mine when the other person's phone just wasn't around - with our fingerprints registered on both, we didn't have to worry about entering (or remembering) the other person's pass code - which we've made pretty long/complex/secure since we've started using Touch ID.
You should learn to have your phone on you instead of expecting Apple to design a phone to make up from your deficiency.
Why would you NOT have your phone with you? Makes zero sense.
because why carry two phones?
my wife & i may be outliers, but we don't both carry our phones all the time, especially when we are together (ATGATT but not ATPATT?? ) ...
Too bad. Wonder why they did this - was it a technical limitation of the hardware or simply a design decision. It's very convenient for my wife and I to have our fingerprints on each others' phones.
The use case is just different: "Honey, can I borrow your phone? "Sure." "Thanks, look over here." Now it supports remote handsfree (no touching required) authentication, within a foot or few anyway. I can see this being fairly useful in various circumstances.
"Honey will you answer my phone" might not be quite as convenient.
Clearly you don't have the devices you love to critique, since it's never been necessary to unlock an iPhone to answer an incoming phone call.
FUD! I need moar FUD! Bring me my FUD!
Thanks for the hand-spank, you get a gold-star from me.
Please. If you're going to dedicate this much of your life to promoting a google agenda on an Apple site, don't act put out when folks are critical of FUD nonsense. Face ID incurs no ease-of-use penalties when others wish to answer the iPhone.
Put out?? I'm not sure you actually read what I wrote. It was a legitimate thnk you as I knocked on my own head. The gold star was for getting on on me, a rarity as I do my best to be accurate. I don't give out too many gold stars.
I tried adding my fingerprint to my wife's phone once, her finger print stopped working, we haven't tried it since then. The answer to allowing a family member to unlock your phone is the same as it's always been, let them know your pass code.
Just because adding other family member's fingerprints didn't work for you "once" doesn't mean it's not a valid use case. As far as I'm concerned "the answer to allowing a family member to unlock your phone is the same as it's always been: either let them register their finger on your phone or let them know your pass code."
Frankly, if iPhone X doesn't let you register multiple faces, I'll have to think twice about getting. There have been so many cases in which I had to use my wife's phone or she mine when the other person's phone just wasn't around - with our fingerprints registered on both, we didn't have to worry about entering (or remembering) the other person's pass code - which we've made pretty long/complex/secure since we've started using Touch ID.
You should learn to have your phone on you instead of expecting Apple to design a phone to make up from your deficiency.
Why would you NOT have your phone with you? Makes zero sense.
because why carry two phones?
my wife & i may be outliers, but we don't both carry our phones all the time, especially when we are together (ATGATT but not ATPATT?? ) ...
LOL. My wife and I do that all the time. She'll get in the car and say she forgot her phone. No worries baby, I have mine if our son or daughter needs to call us. Or vice-versa. If we both forget? Well sometimes we'll turn around to get one (or both) and other times we say screw it, being unavailable is nice sometimes.
This whole always gotta be connected stuff is relatively new and TBH unnecessary IMO. We all somehow made it to work, found our way on vacation, kept in touch with our friends and family and remembered our appointments in the pre-smartphone days which weren't very long ago. It's kinda sad to look around in a restaurant to see so folks many ignoring their companions with heads bowed over a phone instead. Real people right next to them ripe for spontaneous conversation but Facebook, email and blogs get their attention.
Well, that'll be the end of that relationship status symbol, to be promoted from just a number in their call/message history, to a named contact, to a favorite, finally to be one of the fingerprints in their phone.
I just confirmed it by going to apple.com and chatting with a sales support engineer: at launch only a single face can be registered. I told them to forward my feedback about that to Apple - he said he would and suggested I also go to https://www.apple.com/feedback/ and do the same. Which I, of course, will do.
Friggin' stupid decision. What kind of "future" is this iPhone X supposed to be - it's supposed to be their flagship product - yet can't be used like a plain-jane iPhone 8.
Yeah! Why does extremely complex technology have to improve linearly! Why can't they just go into the future and bring a more advanced version of it to the past instead of building the first version in order to get there! Boo!
rolleyes. You gotta walk before you can run, dudes. I'm guessing you've never developed or released a product before. I have, and it's impossible to do everything at once, no matter how much you want otherwise.
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My wife is the only person I allow access without question. Otherwise... "May I borrow your phone?" "Uhhh, no, sorry, do you want to make a call? what is the number?" then I dial the number, and hand them the phone, after locking it. I am more likely to surrender a credit card or ID, than my phone.
Just because adding other family member's fingerprints didn't work for you "once" doesn't mean it's not a valid use case. As far as I'm concerned "the answer to allowing a family member to unlock your phone is the same as it's always been: either let them register their finger on your phone or let them know your pass code."
Frankly, if iPhone X doesn't let you register multiple faces, I'll have to think twice about getting. There have been so many cases in which I had to use my wife's phone or she mine when the other person's phone just wasn't around - with our fingerprints registered on both, we didn't have to worry about entering (or remembering) the other person's pass code - which we've made pretty long/complex/secure since we've started using Touch ID.
Apple has encouraged us to come up with long/complex/hard-to-remember passwords because we have Touch ID so we don't have to enter them often. Why would/should I have to tell my wife my long/complex/hard-to-type password just so she can use my phone and start navigation while I'm driving. When you're married and/or have children, there are infinite reasons why you'd want to cross-register your family's fingerprint on devices. It's frankly ridiculous that Apple would limit convenient access to their flagship phone to a single user.
Same here - and, frankly people who say "you weren't supposed to do this" are just making sh1t up - Apple never made such a statement. They never said "register only your own fingerprints on this device - because this iPhone is only meant for YOU". So people like you and me did what's really reasonable and convenient between couples. The same goes even more for the even more 'communal' iPad and/or MacBook - in most families, there's one each of those - not one for every member. So, of course, you'd register everyone's fingerprint on them.
(Sorry, a six digit passcode does not qualify for a long complex hard to remember password to obtain access to a cell phone)
oh, and re: multiple fingerprints - we have 40 iPads @ work with multiple prints each, and never had an issue over the years. The prints unlock the iPad & the medical records software, so we can have the iPads lock quick & open quick.
As for FaceID being limited to one person, I couldn't care less. If it makes it slightly less convenient for another person to use, that's fine.
Franken is grandstanding as though HE had any oversight into how the iPhone, or ANY handset for that matter, operates.
There is absolutely no question about how Apple feels about personal security or privacy. Apple may have over looked a couple very minor points, but those will be fixed long before they become a significant problem and immediately made available to EVERYONE that bought the iPhone X, something no Android can do.
my wife & i may be outliers, but we don't both carry our phones all the time, especially when we are together (ATGATT but not ATPATT??
This whole always gotta be connected stuff is relatively new and TBH unnecessary IMO. We all somehow made it to work, found our way on vacation, kept in touch with our friends and family and remembered our appointments in the pre-smartphone days which weren't very long ago. It's kinda sad to look around in a restaurant to see so folks many ignoring their companions with heads bowed over a phone instead. Real people right next to them ripe for spontaneous conversation but Facebook, email and blogs get their attention.
Yeah! Why does extremely complex technology have to improve linearly! Why can't they just go into the future and bring a more advanced version of it to the past instead of building the first version in order to get there! Boo!
rolleyes. You gotta walk before you can run, dudes. I'm guessing you've never developed or released a product before. I have, and it's impossible to do everything at once, no matter how much you want otherwise.