No generation of LCD can support 12-bitRec.2100ColourGamuts while14-bit, 16-bit are higher. Instead of using their patents yet existing on all the OLED, Quantum-Dots, microLED ..i.e Emmisive displays, they switch back to LCD, I would be considering a Samsung Galaxy. Why even make a move if things were still half-baked?
No matter what anybody says, OLEDs can not support HDR. In fact, Sony told me that their top $9,500 OLED Tv couldn’t support HDR, and that I would need one of their top LCD models, or one of several of their front projectors with an HDR screen.
No generation of LCD can support 12-bitRec.2100ColourGamuts while14-bit, 16-bit are higher. Instead of using their patents yet existing on all the OLED, Quantum-Dots, microLED ..i.e Emmisive displays, they switch back to LCD, I would be considering a Samsung Galaxy. Why even make a move if things were still half-baked?
No matter what anybody says, OLEDs can not support HDR. In fact, Sony told me that their top $9,500 OLED Tv couldn’t support HDR, and that I would need one of their top LCD models, or one of several of their front projectors with an HDR screen.
the same thing is true of phones.
so how does iPhone X manage to support HDR?
It’s not out yet, so we’ll have to see. We don’t know anything about this OLED, other than it’s made by Samsung for them. Apple has a bunch of their own OLED patents. We’ll have to see what this is. From what we read, Samsung is charging Apple between $120-130 per screen, whereas the screens for their own phones cost between $70-80, and screens they sell to others cost about that too. Some is likely because of the cutout, but what about the rest of the cost? They could be more highly spec’d, but we don’t know.
No generation of LCD can support 12-bitRec.2100ColourGamuts while14-bit, 16-bit are higher. Instead of using their patents yet existing on all the OLED, Quantum-Dots, microLED ..i.e Emmisive displays, they switch back to LCD, I would be considering a Samsung Galaxy. Why even make a move if things were still half-baked?
No matter what anybody says, OLEDs can not support HDR. In fact, Sony told me that their top $9,500 OLED Tv couldn’t support HDR, and that I would need one of their top LCD models, or one of several of their front projectors with an HDR screen.
the same thing is true of phones.
Sounds like someone was trying to sell you something.
No generation of LCD can support 12-bitRec.2100ColourGamuts while14-bit, 16-bit are higher. Instead of using their patents yet existing on all the OLED, Quantum-Dots, microLED ..i.e Emmisive displays, they switch back to LCD, I would be considering a Samsung Galaxy. Why even make a move if things were still half-baked?
No matter what anybody says, OLEDs can not support HDR. In fact, Sony told me that their top $9,500 OLED Tv couldn’t support HDR, and that I would need one of their top LCD models, or one of several of their front projectors with an HDR screen.
the same thing is true of phones.
Sounds like someone was trying to sell you something.
... and someone was gullible enough to believe a salesman....
Sony A1 model is of course an LG sourced OLED screen, and just as obviosuly supports hdr
No generation of LCD can support 12-bitRec.2100ColourGamuts while14-bit, 16-bit are higher. Instead of using their patents yet existing on all the OLED, Quantum-Dots, microLED ..i.e Emmisive displays, they switch back to LCD, I would be considering a Samsung Galaxy. Why even make a move if things were still half-baked?
No matter what anybody says, OLEDs can not support HDR. In fact, Sony told me that their top $9,500 OLED Tv couldn’t support HDR, and that I would need one of their top LCD models, or one of several of their front projectors with an HDR screen.
the same thing is true of phones.
HDR means huge max light in tiny spots, OLED is well known for not supporting those things well. Think you got burn-in now, imagine what a few second stuck with a sun could bring you....
The funny thing is that OLED has deep blacks, but those are true advantage only in dark conditions and on content with not much dynamic range. If you got a huge dynamic range in your content, your pupil will close up when seeing high luminosity areas and the darker areas will be darker by contrast (even if they are not at zero). They'll look black even if they're not near zero.
Past a certain point, there will be a diminishing return for color gamut, especially if you haven't taken care of dynamic range first.
What's the point of having 10000000 shades of a light or dark color if contrast between them is too low. You see what I mean if you try to calibrate a monitor precisely.
Color resolution on phone is approaching good enough, but HDR is not close to being there. It is the low hanging fruit that will make the biggest difference in the next few years. It's something spectacular that's easily marketable. Something that's often the real reason why an option is pursued and not another.
No generation of LCD can support 12-bitRec.2100ColourGamuts while14-bit, 16-bit are higher. Instead of using their patents yet existing on all the OLED, Quantum-Dots, microLED ..i.e Emmisive displays, they switch back to LCD, I would be considering a Samsung Galaxy. Why even make a move if things were still half-baked?
No matter what anybody says, OLEDs can not support HDR. In fact, Sony told me that their top $9,500 OLED Tv couldn’t support HDR, and that I would need one of their top LCD models, or one of several of their front projectors with an HDR screen.
the same thing is true of phones.
Sounds like someone was trying to sell you something.
Why would a company that sells two TVs for the same price try to sell me one over the other? This was an engineer I was talking to not a sales and, at a trade show, not a Store.
No generation of LCD can support 12-bitRec.2100ColourGamuts while14-bit, 16-bit are higher. Instead of using their patents yet existing on all the OLED, Quantum-Dots, microLED ..i.e Emmisive displays, they switch back to LCD, I would be considering a Samsung Galaxy. Why even make a move if things were still half-baked?
No matter what anybody says, OLEDs can not support HDR. In fact, Sony told me that their top $9,500 OLED Tv couldn’t support HDR, and that I would need one of their top LCD models, or one of several of their front projectors with an HDR screen.
the same thing is true of phones.
Sounds like someone was trying to sell you something.
... and someone was gullible enough to believe a salesman....
Sony A1 model is of course an LG sourced OLED screen, and just as obviosuly supports hdr
No generation of LCD can support 12-bitRec.2100ColourGamuts while14-bit, 16-bit are higher. Instead of using their patents yet existing on all the OLED, Quantum-Dots, microLED ..i.e Emmisive displays, they switch back to LCD, I would be considering a Samsung Galaxy. Why even make a move if things were still half-baked?
No matter what anybody says, OLEDs can not support HDR. In fact, Sony told me that their top $9,500 OLED Tv couldn’t support HDR, and that I would need one of their top LCD models, or one of several of their front projectors with an HDR screen.
the same thing is true of phones.
Sounds like someone was trying to sell you something.
... and someone was gullible enough to believe a salesman....
Sony A1 model is of course an LG sourced OLED screen, and just as obviosuly supports hdr
"The Sony A1 has been my most anticipated TV of 2017. Aside from the 4K resolution and HDR capabilities....
the Sony A1 supports the Dolby Vision variant of high dynamic range alongside the more common HDR10."
Don’t be a child. You just got here and don’t know anyone here.
This is classic Mel.
Never mind that Sony's spec sheet says the A1E has 4K HDR he's right because he heard it once from some random person who may or may not actually be a Sony engineer at a trade show.
Never mind all the reviews of the A1 where reviewers measure both SDR and HDR values no OLED can do HDR PERIOD because Mel heard it from the penultimate Sony engineer. It doesn't matter what anyone else says or measures. It simply can't be done!
Why are we even talking about this? With a wave of his mighty hand he has changed reality forever.
Alas, I have been around far too long for you to casually dismiss in the same manner.
No generation of LCD can support 12-bitRec.2100ColourGamuts while14-bit, 16-bit are higher. Instead of using their patents yet existing on all the OLED, Quantum-Dots, microLED ..i.e Emmisive displays, they switch back to LCD, I would be considering a Samsung Galaxy. Why even make a move if things were still half-baked?
No matter what anybody says, OLEDs can not support HDR. In fact, Sony told me that their top $9,500 OLED Tv couldn’t support HDR, and that I would need one of their top LCD models, or one of several of their front projectors with an HDR screen.
the same thing is true of phones.
Sounds like someone was trying to sell you something.
... and someone was gullible enough to believe a salesman....
Sony A1 model is of course an LG sourced OLED screen, and just as obviosuly supports hdr
"The Sony A1 has been my most anticipated TV of 2017. Aside from the 4K resolution and HDR capabilities....
the Sony A1 supports the Dolby Vision variant of high dynamic range alongside the more common HDR10."
Don’t be a child. You just got here and don’t know anyone here.
This is classic Mel.
Never mind that Sony's spec sheet says the A1E has 4K HDR he's right because he heard it once from some random person who may or may not actually be a Sony engineer at a trade show.
Never mind all the reviews of the A1 where reviewers measure both SDR and HDR values no OLED can do HDR PERIOD because Mel heard it from the penultimate Sony engineer. It doesn't matter what anyone else says or measures. It simply can't be done!
Why are we even talking about this? With a wave of his mighty hand he has changed reality forever.
Alas, I have been around far too long for you to casually dismiss in the same manner.
All I’m talking about is brightness levels. If YoY read several reviews of OLED HDR TVs, you’ll see that while they give those ‘TVs anything from good to excellent reviews for I made quality, and good adherence to much of the /hDR standard, they also mention that the displays clip white levels. While one LG model has been advertised as having brightness up to 800 bits, a level high enough for the standard, tests show that it clips at 550 nits, which isn’t within standard.
at this time, most ultra blue ray content does t have a high enough brightness level to bust through that level, likely because early 4K TVs couldn’t handle it, but the test disks do, and as time goes on, more content will too.
Your sarcasm isn’t appreciated, because you seem to have a very limited idea of what standards mean, and how they’re implemented. As an example, the LG 65E6P was given a very good evidence overall, but brightness levels never exceeded 550 bits in the Soundand Vision tests from the Feb/March issue. That’s typical, while the Samsung test disk, intended for displays up to LCD HDR models reaches 1,000 nits, which those displays come close to.
so while I’m not disputing the greater saturation, and color accuracy of these OLED panel TVs, the fact is that they can’t reach the brightness levels that HDR requires, and that’s all I’m saying. Otherwise, they look great.
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Sony A1 model is of course an LG sourced OLED screen, and just as obviosuly supports hdr
http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/sony-a1-oled
"The Sony A1 has been my most anticipated TV of 2017. Aside from the 4K resolution and HDR capabilities....
the Sony A1 supports the Dolby Vision variant of high dynamic range alongside the more common HDR10."
Don’t be a child. You just got here and don’t know anyone here.
Never mind that Sony's spec sheet says the A1E has 4K HDR he's right because he heard it once from some random person who may or may not actually be a Sony engineer at a trade show.
https://www.sony.com/electronics/televisions/a1e-series/specifications
Never mind all the reviews of the A1 where reviewers measure both SDR and HDR values no OLED can do HDR PERIOD because Mel heard it from the penultimate Sony engineer. It doesn't matter what anyone else says or measures. It simply can't be done!
Why are we even talking about this? With a wave of his mighty hand he has changed reality forever.
Alas, I have been around far too long for you to casually dismiss in the same manner.
at this time, most ultra blue ray content does t have a high enough brightness level to bust through that level, likely because early 4K TVs couldn’t handle it, but the test disks do, and as time goes on, more content will too.
Your sarcasm isn’t appreciated, because you seem to have a very limited idea of what standards mean, and how they’re implemented. As an example, the LG 65E6P was given a very good evidence overall, but brightness levels never exceeded 550 bits in the Soundand Vision tests from the Feb/March issue. That’s typical, while the Samsung test disk, intended for displays up to LCD HDR models reaches 1,000 nits, which those displays come close to.
so while I’m not disputing the greater saturation, and color accuracy of these OLED panel TVs, the fact is that they can’t reach the brightness levels that HDR requires, and that’s all I’m saying. Otherwise, they look great.