Apple iPhone 8 Plus vs Google Pixel 2 XL: camera is only part of the package

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A new review looking at camera images captured by Apple's iPhone 8 and Google's HTC-built Pixel 2 declared iPhone the overall winner in a series of shots where both phones actually performed well. But despite Google's framing of 'camera score' as the only criteria for modern smartphones, there's a lot more of interest to buyers than just a phone's still camera.


Portrait of a young... flower pot. Source: Tom's Guide


A "Camera Shootout" by Mark Spoonauer for Tom's Guide purports to show off how the two phones' cameras perform, but it actually only depicts a series of hand held static shots that focus on detail and lighting of mostly intimate subjects.

The only Portrait mode shot comparison was an image of flowering potted plants, hardly a useful, representative example of the feature Apple introduced last year on iPhone 7 Plus to add dramatic flair to "portraits," a word that literally refers to the capture of an individual.

While crediting iPhone 8 Plus as the overall winner (with Pixel 2 being acknowledged as winning in several examples), the conclusion of the piece was that "you absolutely won't be disappointed in either one of these cameras."

That's broadly true of most expensive new smartphones, in particular because most people don't perform regular shot comparisons between different models of phones. Many Android phones take absolutely terrible photos, and their users aren't even aware.

A shoddy shootout

Google's marketing of Pixel 2-branded phones has focused on camera quality scores and the company's cloud-based storage, two of the strongest features of the models in comparison with other Androids. However, Apple's camera marketing for iPhone 8 Plus touts other camera features that Pixel 2 still lacks.

With two cameras, iPhone 8 Plus (like last year's iPhone 7 Plus and the upcoming iPhone X) can offer an optical 2x zoom that's handy not just when taking photos, but also in video, slomo, time lapse and Panoramas. The "shootout" didn't look at these other capture forms at all (or look at significant camera features such as smooth, high frame rate video, which Pixel can't capture), and didn't significantly examine iPhone optical zoom capabilities.





Apple's biggest new feature for iPhone 8 Plus (and the upcoming iPhone X) is Portrait Lighting (below), which applies a series of effects to the foreground subject, independent of Portrait-style blurring of the background. Pixel doesn't offer this.



Google has approximated Apple's two year old Live Photos feature on its Pixel 2 phones, but doesn't offer iOS 11's new interpretations that include common Loop and Bounce playback (which can be added to video clips with third party apps) as well as an innovative new long exposure option for blurring motion over time in a way that looks great for subjects such as waterfalls (below).


iOS 11 Long Exposure Live Photo


Another feature Apple highlighted on new iPhone 8 and X models is a revamped Slow Sync flash that uses a slower shutter and brief flash to gently illuminate the subject with flattering, not overpowering, light while also capturing the background.

However, the shootout's flash example takes a photo of a pumpkin sitting on a bench in a dark corner. It awarded the Pixel 2 as winning because the flash was brighter, not because it would deliver flattering shots of people, the primary reason for using flash in a dark scene.

Pixel 2 is more expensive

Despite lacking a series of hardware and software camera features of iPhone 8, Google's Pixel 2 phones are priced higher. That's remarkable because Google's Android phones are also slower and don't offer other new features such as Qi charging and don't even include a pair of headphones. Pixel 2 doesn't just cost more up front; it also has a weaker resale value

However, Pixel 2 doesn't just cost more up front; it also has a weaker resale value. That's important to buyers who upgrade frequently.

Android buyers typically find that there are few takers willing to offer anything for a used model, in part because there are lots of cheap options (or free offers) for brand new models.

iPhones have consistently held value longer, allowing buyers to resell their year old phone and upgrade to the newest model, knowing that there is a huge market for lightly used Apple phones.

Beyond a year, Apple also continues to support iPhones for many years of software updates and security patches. Google has promised three years of updates for new Pixel 2 buyers, but Apple just released iOS 11 with support for iPhone 5s, a phone that's already four years old and will remain supported for the year at least. Most Androids rarely get updates after the first year, if ever.

Nobody knows if Google's promised 3 years of future updates will actually run well on this year's Pixel 2 because the company has never delivered that before. Apple has consistently supported existing Macs and iOS mobile devices for many years, and testing shows that a lot of efforts go into making new releases work well on older hardware.

Hardware quality issues

Despite also charging a premium for last year's Pixel-branded phones (as well as the Pixel C netbook and Chomebook Pixel), Google only delivered a typical Android hardware experience. Users complained of a flood of defective microphones on Pixel phones that required returning for service.

In part, that's because Google worked with HTC, already a low volume vendor with many manufacturing problems of its own, to deliver its flagship branded phone. Google doesn't have many options in the Android world.

This year, Google worked with LG to deliver the larger Pixel 2 XL. Yet despite a much higher price premium (despite not really delivering anything apart from larger screen), the display of the 2 XL has been broadly decried as being of very low quality.

It has poor color accuracy and a strong color cast at wider viewing angles. Artem Russakovskii of Android Police called it "shockingly awful." Vlad Savov of the Verge called it an "inexcusable disaster."

Now that I've booted the Pixel 2 XL all the way and verified Vivid Colors is on, I can confirm that LG's OLED display is shockingly awful. pic.twitter.com/FXSGA0kFH7

-- Artem Russakovskii (@ArtemR)


Bizarrely enough, the same site's official review by Dieter Bohn called the display merely "somewhat disappointing" before giving both models a higher score than the Verge gave iPhone 8 and 8 Plus: phones the site acknowledge were faster and had superior features Google didn't match.

In fact, the site specifically dinged iPhone 8 models for being priced "$50 more than the iPhone 7," despite the fact that that the price hike came with twice as much storage on the entry tier. Pixel 2 phones are more expensive--$50 more than iPhone 8, despite having the same storage!

In addition to poor viewing angles, Pixel 2 models are also faulted for poor color consistency. The new phones also lack Apple's support for True Tone, which requires color temperature sensitive ambient light sensors that the Pixel 2 phones don't have.

The build quality of the Pixel 2 is also poor, with a fragile structural weakness that results in cracking when flexed and an easy to break antenna band.

Beyond hardware issues, Bohn also tweeted out a Portrait mode shot taken by the Pixel 2 he described as "good," despite it delivering a weirdly smeared, inconsistent blurring effect that left background items on the right in sharp focus while blurring the left side more than the deep background.

This is what portrait mode looks like on the Pixel 2. It looks good. https://t.co/55fBkRxzyb pic.twitter.com/XzjVkDvigm

-- Dieter Bohn (@backlon)


Pixel 2 relies more on software in Portrait mode because both models lack a second, independent lens and sensor to capture depth the way iPhone 7 Plus, 8 Plus and iPhone X do. Sometimes this works, but when it doesn't it is not "good," just because it's from Google.

Exclusive iOS Apps

Apple not only bundles its own iOS exclusive apps for free (including Pages, Keynote, Numbers, iMovie and Garage Band), but also runs an App Store with more sophisticated titles that Android doesn't get. Google also has an apps market, but the company focuses on advertising and web-based experiences, not on developing a solid platform for apps.

As a result, the iOS App Store includes a wide range of productivity apps designed for small business users; it hosts enterprise apps for corporate users; powerful, exclusive creative apps such as Affinity Photo ; it has tons of unique, exclusive games that never make it to Android; and it features apps that specifically support Apple Watch and iPad. Android Wear has effectively failed, and Android tablets have still never created a market beyond stretched smartphone titles.

Apple also provides strong platform support for Accessibility, resulting in custom-crafted titles for users with vision, hearing, speech, motor or learning issues.

Another category of apps iOS 11 now supports: Augmented Reality. With over 380 million iOS devices capable of running ARKit apps, third party developers have rapidly worked to deliver novel, impressive apps and games that mix explorable 3D worlds with the camera's view of reality.

Google supports Pixel 2 phones in its ARCore program, an offshoot of Project Tango. But with a tiny installed base less than a tenth the size of iOS 11, developers have little reason to build significant applications that take real advantage of the technology.

That's exaggerated by the fact that developers already have little commercial reason to build Android apps because Google Play pays out so little. In part that's because Google focuses on ad-based support in apps, where it takes a cut and benefits from user tracking and profiling. But it's also because the lower value demographic that chooses Android is far less likely to pay for software.

Google can advertise Pixel 2 has having a greatly improved camera that can take some photos at least as good as new iPhones, but it can't claim its camera is as full featured, or that its new phones are as cost effective, will retain their value, will be supported as well, offer the same features, can run a similar library of high quality apps, or is built as well or will sell in large volumes.
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  • Reply 1 of 72
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 4,047member
    EVERYBODY HANG ON! THIS COULD BE THE ONE THAT BREAKS THE FORUM!

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  • Reply 2 of 72
    calicali Posts: 3,495member
    One post moron ready.

    “Looks good”
    no buddy that blur effect on the Pixel iPhone knockoff looks fake. One side is focused and the other side is blurred.

    nice article. 
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  • Reply 3 of 72
    The Verge is completely in Google’s pocket these days. When this year's Google gear was released, The Verge ran literally dozens of fawning ‘first look’ articles that featured behind-the-scenes access weeks prior to launch. Every one of these articles read like an infomercial.

    At the same time, all of The Verge’s coverage of Apple has become super sarcastic and snarky. Every single review of Apple’s latest products was a complete hit job.  They literally gave the Apple Watch 3 a rating of 5 out of 10 while In the same week, they gave the Fitbit Iconic a rating of 7.  WTF? The Fitbit Iconic isn’t fit to be compared to the Apple Watch 3 let alone out score it.

    The quality of journalism at The Verge has gone to complete shit in the past year, ever since they were acquired by VOX Media. I guess VOX has the formula for survival in today’s web media landscape. Sadly, the formula no longer includes real unbiased journalism.  A policy of trolling Apple seems to be part of the formula, however.
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  • Reply 4 of 72
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 1,337member
    I listened to the VergeCast podcast today and Niley Patel said that Apple's LCD screens are the best overall.   and that's including Samsung S8.  This is a nice review of reviews, but it would be nice if someone (Niel or Mike) at AI did a hands on review with the Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL.
    I do have my concerns about the biases of Android reviewers.   

    I give lots of credit to Vlad Savov for really calling out the screen on the Pixel 2XL.   I wouldn't buy it just because of that (even if it cost much less).      Now I can see  where a lot of people may be happy with the 5 inch Pixel 2 - I think that my 7 plus is good enough for a few years - but I do find some android phones tempting because SIRI just doesn't measure up. 


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  • Reply 5 of 72
    Without even reading I can guess what this article is about: why iPhone is better than Pixel.
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  • Reply 6 of 72
    Just like digital stabilization is worse than optical. The artificial blur will never be as good as real optical focus.
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  • Reply 7 of 72
    pjs_socal said:
    The Verge is completely in Google’s pocket these days. When this year's Google gear was released, The Verge ran literally dozens of fawning ‘first look’ articles that featured behind-the-scenes access weeks prior to launch. Every one of these articles read like an infomercial.

    At the same time, all of The Verge’s coverage of Apple has become super sarcastic and snarky. Every single review of Apple’s latest products was a complete hit job.  They literally gave the Apple Watch 3 a rating of 5 out of 10 while In the same week, they gave the Fitbit Iconic a rating of 7.  WTF? The Fitbit Iconic isn’t fit to be compared to the Apple Watch 3 let alone out score it.

    The quality of journalism at The Verge has gone to complete shit in the past year, ever since they were acquired by VOX Media. I guess VOX has the formula for survival in today’s web media landscape. Sadly, the formula no longer includes real unbiased journalism.  A policy of trolling Apple seems to be part of the formula, however.
    To be fair to The Verge, during WWDC many of the commenters were saying the website was catering to Apple. They get it from both camps Android and Apple depending on the season. You can’t please everyone and if you’re getting it from both opposite sides of the spectrum you’re probably doing something right. 
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  • Reply 8 of 72
    Biased article. 

    Bring up every advantage iPhone has and ignore the disadvantages.

    Pixels voice assistant is 3-4 years more advanced than useless Siri.

    Pixels image quality is superior despite less features. Watch the blind tests on YouTube. You'll pick the pixel every single time.

    Pixel will tell you what song is playing without unlocking the screen.

    Pixels cloud storage of the photos (free, full quality) is way more convenient and accessible than iCloud which is garbage.

    Pixel is Android, and thus, way more customizable. Not everyone wants just a mess of app icon on their home screens. We have widgets on our home screens so we can get info at a glance. And our battery life is just as good. 

    You also bring up Google copying live photos. Android has had fast charging for years. Oled screens for years. Where do you think apple got those, and other ideas? All smart phone companies copy each other.


    edited October 2017
  • Reply 9 of 72
    nchianchia Posts: 120member
    Great article.
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  • Reply 10 of 72
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,736member
    Biased article. 

    Bring up every advantage iPhone has and ignore the disadvantages.

    Pixels voice assistant is 3-4 years more advanced than useless Siri.

    Pixels image quality is superior despite less features. Watch the blind tests on YouTube. You'll pick the pixel every single time.

    Pixel will tell you what song is playing without unlocking the screen.

    Pixels cloud storage of the photos (free, full quality) is way more convenient and accessible than iCloud which is garbage.

    Pixel is Android, and thus, way more customizable. Not everyone wants just a mess of app icon on their home screens. We have widgets on our home screens so we can get info at a glance. And our battery life is just as good. 

    You also bring up Google copying live photos. Android has had fast charging for years. Oled screens for years. Where do you think apple got those, and other ideas? All smart phone companies copy each other.


    Blind tests on fracking Youtube!!! Are you for real? Good fucking god!

     Are these the same "blind test" (sic) that gave  Samsung S4 better screens 4 years ago when they were utter POS.
    Track those fuckers down will you.


    Basically, you just took a crap, called Google, down your own throat and called it lunch. Keep your garbage fetish to yourself.
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  • Reply 11 of 72
    calicali Posts: 3,495member
    Biased article. 

    Bring up every advantage iPhone has and ignore the disadvantages.

    Pixels voice assistant is 3-4 years more advanced than useless Siri.

    Pixels image quality is superior despite less features. Watch the blind tests on YouTube. You'll pick the pixel every single time.

    Pixel will tell you what song is playing without unlocking the screen.

    Pixels cloud storage of the photos (free, full quality) is way more convenient and accessible than iCloud which is garbage.

    Pixel is Android, and thus, way more customizable. Not everyone wants just a mess of app icon on their home screens. We have widgets on our home screens so we can get info at a glance. And our battery life is just as good. 

    You also bring up Google copying live photos. Android has had fast charging for years. Oled screens for years. Where do you think apple got those, and other ideas? All smart phone companies copy each other.


    I knew an unbiased DED article would bring out the one post morons.

    1. It’s an iPhone. Of course it will be better than a cheap knockoff. Common sense.

    2. Siri and the Siri knockoff BOTH have problems there is no “years better”. It’s 2017 and we have a long way to go. One things for sure, Siri has a nicer voice than the robotic wannabe and it won’t send your info to an advertising company. 

    3. Pixels photo quality is superior? Typical sheep. Did you not read the article? iPhone does real bokeh. It’s an iPhone.

    4. Pixel tells you what song is playing without asking? Must be that spying microphone goog uses to sell
    your personal data. Nothing goog offers is without security compromise, that’s how they make money. I hope a hacker gets a hold of your data.

    5. Free cloud storage? Yeah google is also snooping through your personal data and selling it to 3rd parties.
    iCloud isn’t garbage and it’s a lot more secure than the spyware offering.

    6. Pixel is android meaning it’s an iPhone knockoff that sells your private info to 3rd parties and is wide open meaning it has 99% of all mobile malware.

    7. Google’s Android is a copy of iPhone and iOS. The whole market is a copy.

    Maybe I shouldn’t have replied to a thick-headed iPhone knockoff fan but stupidity is a pet peeve of mine and the spread of mis-information is something we shall never allow. 
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  • Reply 12 of 72
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 2,531moderator
    cali said:
    One post moron ready.

    “Looks good”
    no buddy that blur effect on the Pixel iPhone knockoff looks fake. One side is focused and the other side is blurred.

    nice article. 
    I noticed that right away when going to the review website and playing with the slider.  The depth map created by the iPhone dual cameras allows the background to be rendered out-of-focus, with depth intact, while the Pixel image has that region simply blurred, which bleeds the separate yellow flower petals into one another much moreso than in the iPhone image.  Pixel is basically using a cheap trick.  

    Okay, now to go read the article and see what Daniel has to say on the matter...
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  • Reply 13 of 72
    RacerhomieXRacerhomieX Posts: 95unconfirmed, member
    Biased article. 

    Bring up every advantage iPhone has and ignore the disadvantages.

    Pixels voice assistant is 3-4 years more advanced than useless Siri.

    Pixels image quality is superior despite less features. Watch the blind tests on YouTube. You'll pick the pixel every single time.

    Pixel will tell you what song is playing without unlocking the screen.

    Pixels cloud storage of the photos (free, full quality) is way more convenient and accessible than iCloud which is garbage.

    Pixel is Android, and thus, way more customizable. Not everyone wants just a mess of app icon on their home screens. We have widgets on our home screens so we can get info at a glance. And our battery life is just as good. 

    You also bring up Google copying live photos. Android has had fast charging for years. Oled screens for years. Where do you think apple got those, and other ideas? All smart phone companies copy each other.


    Good jokes ,troll boy. Its been 10 years & google can't still make an ok phone.
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  • Reply 14 of 72
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 4,047member
    Biased article. 

    Bring up every advantage iPhone has and ignore the disadvantages.

    Pixels voice assistant is 3-4 years more advanced than useless Siri.

    Pixels image quality is superior despite less features. Watch the blind tests on YouTube. You'll pick the pixel every single time.

    Pixel will tell you what song is playing without unlocking the screen.

    Pixels cloud storage of the photos (free, full quality) is way more convenient and accessible than iCloud which is garbage.

    Pixel is Android, and thus, way more customizable. Not everyone wants just a mess of app icon on their home screens. We have widgets on our home screens so we can get info at a glance. And our battery life is just as good. 

    You also bring up Google copying live photos. Android has had fast charging for years. Oled screens for years. Where do you think apple got those, and other ideas? All smart phone companies copy each other.


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  • Reply 15 of 72
    calicali Posts: 3,495member
    cali said:
    One post moron ready.

    “Looks good”
    no buddy that blur effect on the Pixel iPhone knockoff looks fake. One side is focused and the other side is blurred.

    nice article. 
    I noticed that right away when going to the review website and playing with the slider.  The depth map created by the iPhone dual cameras allows the background to be rendered out-of-focus, with depth intact, while the Pixel image has that region simply blurred, which bleeds the separate yellow flower petals into one another much moreso than in the iPhone image.  Pixel is basically using a cheap trick.  

    Okay, now to go read the article and see what Daniel has to say on the matter...
    the google paid shill is getting torn apart on his own Twitter. 




    Hes copy pasting the same reply to save time! lol 
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  • Reply 16 of 72
    For a person who owned both iPhone 7+ and new Pixel 2 XL, I can say both are a great phone.

    This articles only focus on Portrait Mode and make overall conclusion. The smartphone camera is more than just Portrait Mode. We take landscape, night photography, moving object, videos, portrait, foods etc. After using Pixel 2 XL for about a week now, I like it more than my iPhone 7+ picture. The different is there (especially at night) if you owned both of yourself and shoot everyday. I can tell this after imported it on my iMac and see myself the quality side by side. But nothing beat iPhone 7+ on videos.

    There are also several blind test photos for iPhone 7+ vs Google Pixel 2 vs Samsung Note8 vs the rest out there. You can say what pleased and more attractive to people eyes is normally not an iPhone photos. Pixel 2 always scored better than iP7+ and Note8. 

    Both iPhone and Pixel bokeh is artificial through software. But the Portrait Mode in Pixel is really new. Just like iPhone, Portrait Mode on them will getting better over time. In fact, my iPhone 7+ Portrait Mode also sometimes missed a few here and there. Google have image processing chip that not even turned on yet on Pixel 2. 

    I used to be iPhone fanboy also. But now, I learned to appreciate technology more regardless of companies. For the time being, I love my Pixel 2 XL. Maybe it change next week when I preorder my iPhone X. 
  • Reply 17 of 72
    croprcropr Posts: 826member
    cali said:
    Biased article. 

    Bring up every advantage iPhone has and ignore the disadvantages.

    Pixels voice assistant is 3-4 years more advanced than useless Siri.

    Pixels image quality is superior despite less features. Watch the blind tests on YouTube. You'll pick the pixel every single time.

    Pixel will tell you what song is playing without unlocking the screen.

    Pixels cloud storage of the photos (free, full quality) is way more convenient and accessible than iCloud which is garbage.

    Pixel is Android, and thus, way more customizable. Not everyone wants just a mess of app icon on their home screens. We have widgets on our home screens so we can get info at a glance. And our battery life is just as good. 

    You also bring up Google copying live photos. Android has had fast charging for years. Oled screens for years. Where do you think apple got those, and other ideas? All smart phone companies copy each other.


    I knew an unbiased DED article would bring out the one post morons.

    1. It’s an iPhone. Of course it will be better than a cheap knockoff. Common sense.

    2. Siri and the Siri knockoff BOTH have problems there is no “years better”. It’s 2017 and we have a long way to go. One things for sure, Siri has a nicer voice than the robotic wannabe and it won’t send your info to an advertising company. 

    3. Pixels photo quality is superior? Typical sheep. Did you not read the article? iPhone does real bokeh. It’s an iPhone.

    4. Pixel tells you what song is playing without asking? Must be that spying microphone goog uses to sell
    your personal data. Nothing goog offers is without security compromise, that’s how they make money. I hope a hacker gets a hold of your data.

    5. Free cloud storage? Yeah google is also snooping through your personal data and selling it to 3rd parties.
    iCloud isn’t garbage and it’s a lot more secure than the spyware offering.

    6. Pixel is android meaning it’s an iPhone knockoff that sells your private info to 3rd parties and is wide open meaning it has 99% of all mobile malware.

    7. Google’s Android is a copy of iPhone and iOS. The whole market is a copy.

    Maybe I shouldn’t have replied to a thick-headed iPhone knockoff fan but stupidity is a pet peeve of mine and the spread of mis-information is something we shall never allow. 
    There is no such thing as an unbiased DED article.  It is written from his perspective which is fine for me  but don't call it unbiased.  If he's saying that the Pixel is more expensive, he just forgot to take  the cost of the overpriced and crappy iCloud storage into account, which is a key item when comparing photo solutions.
    edited October 2017 rogifan_new
  • Reply 18 of 72
    calicali Posts: 3,495member
    cropr said:
    cali said:
    Biased article. 

    Bring up every advantage iPhone has and ignore the disadvantages.

    Pixels voice assistant is 3-4 years more advanced than useless Siri.

    Pixels image quality is superior despite less features. Watch the blind tests on YouTube. You'll pick the pixel every single time.

    Pixel will tell you what song is playing without unlocking the screen.

    Pixels cloud storage of the photos (free, full quality) is way more convenient and accessible than iCloud which is garbage.

    Pixel is Android, and thus, way more customizable. Not everyone wants just a mess of app icon on their home screens. We have widgets on our home screens so we can get info at a glance. And our battery life is just as good. 

    You also bring up Google copying live photos. Android has had fast charging for years. Oled screens for years. Where do you think apple got those, and other ideas? All smart phone companies copy each other.


    I knew an unbiased DED article would bring out the one post morons.

    1. It’s an iPhone. Of course it will be better than a cheap knockoff. Common sense.

    2. Siri and the Siri knockoff BOTH have problems there is no “years better”. It’s 2017 and we have a long way to go. One things for sure, Siri has a nicer voice than the robotic wannabe and it won’t send your info to an advertising company. 

    3. Pixels photo quality is superior? Typical sheep. Did you not read the article? iPhone does real bokeh. It’s an iPhone.

    4. Pixel tells you what song is playing without asking? Must be that spying microphone goog uses to sell
    your personal data. Nothing goog offers is without security compromise, that’s how they make money. I hope a hacker gets a hold of your data.

    5. Free cloud storage? Yeah google is also snooping through your personal data and selling it to 3rd parties.
    iCloud isn’t garbage and it’s a lot more secure than the spyware offering.

    6. Pixel is android meaning it’s an iPhone knockoff that sells your private info to 3rd parties and is wide open meaning it has 99% of all mobile malware.

    7. Google’s Android is a copy of iPhone and iOS. The whole market is a copy.

    Maybe I shouldn’t have replied to a thick-headed iPhone knockoff fan but stupidity is a pet peeve of mine and the spread of mis-information is something we shall never allow. 
    There is no such thing as an unbiased DED article.  It is written from his perspective which is fine for me  but don't call it unbiased.  If he's saying that the Pixel is more expensive, he just forgot to take  the cost of the overpriced and crappy iCloud storage into account, which is a key item when comparing photo solutions.
    DED provides the most unbiased articles you can find online. He isn’t paid by iKnockoff manufacturers which is why it triggers so many iPhone knockoff fans. You’re so used to videos and articles bashing Apple endlessly. It’s a circle jerk of anti-Apple propaganda, false stories and nit-picking at every little detail even when it doesn’t even exist. 

    You don’t need to pay for iCloud. There’s nothing “crappy” about cloud storage they’re all similar except some exploit your privacy(google). Anyone who spends over $200 on an iPhone knockoff that pimps you out to advertisers is a moron.
    edited October 2017 RonnnieOimergingeniousStrangeDayslostkiwilolliverhubbaxwatto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 72
    pjs_socal said:

    The Verge... literally gave the Apple Watch 3 a rating of 5 out of 10 while In the same week, they gave the Fitbit Iconic a rating of 7.  WTF?
    The Verge tested the Apple Watch LTE... and the LTE part didn't work very well.

    That's... like... the most important part of the Apple Watch LTE:wink: 

    Apple admitted the problem and has provided a fix... but it appears that The Verge doesn't ever update scores after an initial review.
  • Reply 20 of 72
    BluntBlunt Posts: 203member
    Who cares about The Verge? They have no impact on the average buyer. These tech sites are so overrated. They need Google and Samsung spends millions of dollars advertising on these sites.
    Back in the day you had the MacWorld magazine. Sometimes an add for lets say a scanner had four pages and in the same magazine that scanner got a real bad review! Those days are gone. Now we have tech sites that suck.
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