What does PowerbyProxi have that Apple can't replicate themselves? Could there be a larger, more grandiose play here, like we're starting to see with automobile charging pads being planned for EVs?
Still waiting for real wireless charging...that'll be the real game-changer.
Ya, there's not a single phone made that has Wireless Charging!!! They are all Inductive Charging.
Qi is wireless. You may not the distance currently available with inductive charring standards, but it's undeniably wireless power.
It's undeniably marketing hyperbole.
Calling this tech "wireless charging" would be like getting excited about a new type of ethernet cable that attached to devices with magnets and calling that "wireless."
:sigh: It's not MagSafe which physically connects metal pins that are held it in place using a magnet to make sure the pins form a physical connection. It's an electromagnetic field, not unlike how NFC creates an electromagnetic field; both of which are wireless technologies. This isn't up for debate. You can't say that power being sent though the air is not wireless simply because the distance doesn't match some sci-fi story or ridiculous expectation that it should be the same distance Bluetooth or cellular communication technologies.
In my defense, the picture for this article changed after I posted it. There is clearly an air gap in the picture now, so yeah this is "wireless." But calling the charging method for the Apple Watch or iPhone 8 wireless is misleading. I've never said that I'm expecting or demanding to be able to charge my devices while carrying them around; I just object to misleading terms. If I told someone that the Apple Watch charges wirelessly, they would call me a liar.
But it's not misleading to call Qi wireless. There physically is no wire going between the devices. That is the very definition of wireless. Distance is immaterial.
Induction charging is currently the best form of wireless charging we have at the moment and is even used in many car parks in Japan for charging wireless cars. A plate comes up to the bottom of the car and starts charging the car. No wires between them at all.
Even if your preferred definition of wireless charging is over the air charging you'd still be wrong in that definition because there will still be wires going to a power source which is nothing different to inductive charging.
I can't see how any definition then of wireless is truly wireless.
Some people just aren’t happy with what exists, so they change the definition until it means what they want it to mean. Others really don’t understand the definition. It’s hard to say with him which is which.
Yeah, wireless entails some kind of induction, electron moving produce em field em field induced movement in a conductor at a distance. The field decreases at distance squared so it’s pretty understandable why short distance were tried first. They already had induction stovetop so most of the job was done there :-)
directing power in in a way that’s both useful and not dangerous is non trivial for sure (though i expect devices like iOT and smart watches be the first to get a practical use for this.
i’am a fan of using standing waves from a spread out array of charging em sources to get to this (moves around to follow device)though it would be very wasteful in power . Only ok I guess for low power sippers.
Still waiting for real wireless charging...that'll be the real game-changer.
I don't give a crap about Inductive Charging. It's OLD TECH. I don't see what the big deal is. It's more Energy efficient to just plug it into a cheap cable then a $40+ charging pad that's still plugged into the wall. I dock my iPhone next to my bed every night and that's pretty darn fast.
It’s about convenience, not efficiency. Traveling with a single charging pad to plop three devices to charge on overnight is convenient. Ditto for walking up to a counter in the airport lounge, or wherever, dropping my phone on the counter and not needing to pack and carry a charging cable with me.
Convenience is the order of the day on this feature.
You can’t do that now. When, and if Apple’s comes out with its own device that enables that, then it would be more convenient. But I now have to charge three devices on a trip. I take my 29 watt charger and two cables. A 2 meter lightning cable for my iPad and iPhone, and a 2 meter cable for my Apple Watch.
i find I don’t have to charge all three every night. So it’s no inconvience. The watch charges pretty fast under any conditions. If I want to boost it, I can do so when getting ready to leave my room in the morning.
i don’t see much of an advantage in carrying a big plate with a bigger charger attached to it around with me wherever I go.
I assume by "big plate" you're referring to AirPower. That's not designed for travel. There are plenty of Qi chargers that are small enough to be more convenient than a 2 meter Series 0 Watch cable and Lightning Cable.
As you mention, the Watch charges fast, so even a low-power charger will be able to charge your Series 3 Watch while you get ready and then your iPhone X or 8 series overnight with half the cables and overall less bulk. Some are even designed around traveling so they have built-in battery packs.
I almost always travel with my MBP so I never bring a separate PSU. However, if I did I'd probably just bring the 5W since it may be enough in the aforementioned setup. If not, you may want to consider, say, a 12W 3rd-party PSU from a reputably company that offers 2x USB-A ports so that you can charge more than one device at a time.
PS: I'm glad they reduced the size of the Watch charging cable. I found 6 feet cable to be excessive. PPS: I've found that if I put my Watch in Theater Mode and turn off wireless when not needed I can go several days without charging my Watch while still using it throughout the day. It was very helpful for a 3 night hike into the mountains. I did bring an Anker lipstick charger and the meter long charging cable, but next time I'll likely just bring one of the travel chargers with a built in battery pack for more convenience. These are less than $30 and have good reviews (although working with the Series 3 Watch is still not certain).
I always buy longer cables. I find the short ones to be frustrating. You have to be really near an outlet. I often read on my iPad in bed. At home, I have a charger plugged in behind the bed, and a 2 meter cable coming out of the back of the bed, which isn’t a solid back. That way, if the battery is low, I can charge while reading.
when I travel, it’s finally true that most hotels have outlets, and even USB ports for charging. I find the USB ports to be low power, though good for the watch. I use the long cable again for reading my iPad in bed. I don’t find long cords inconvenient. It takes all of 15 seconds to wind it up and put in an outside pocket in my overnite bag, where I can easily get to it when in an airport that has ports of some kind in the terminal. 2 meters works better there too.
the Watch never came with a 2 meter cable. It was 1 meter, though it’s even shorter now, almost useless to me.
as far as traveling with Apple’s AirPower device, from what I saw in their picture, it was a bit big. No way I would take it with me. But I can see people insisting on that, as it wireless, so it must be more convenient, right?
What does PowerbyProxi have that Apple can't replicate themselves? Could there be a larger, more grandiose play here, like we're starting to see with automobile charging pads being planned for EVs?
Still waiting for real wireless charging...that'll be the real game-changer.
Ya, there's not a single phone made that has Wireless Charging!!! They are all Inductive Charging.
Qi is wireless. You may not the distance currently available with inductive charring standards, but it's undeniably wireless power.
What does PowerbyProxi have that Apple can't replicate themselves? A better question would be what does PowerbyProxi have that Apple can replicate? Does this remind you of anything? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uQUgq5k6N8
If you mean AirPower, then it does remind of it, but can devices be placed anywhere on the AirPower pad? I thought it had 3 distinct regions and could only support 3 devices. PowerbyProxi's solution, assuming it's different, is much better for reasons they mention in the video plus being even being less of a hassle for the user.
I would think the AirPower charging pad is just going to be an evolution of what PowerbyProxi presented in that video. Remember, that's from 2013. I've never read any info about the AirPower pad having distinct regions. As for the 3 device limit, I think that is strictly due to the size of the pad and the pad's size is strategically designed to accommodate an iPhone, Apple Watch, and AirPod case. I have no proof whatsoever but I'd also be willing to posit that the 3 device limit might have something to do with power constraints.
I also have no proof but the appearance and way it was presented led me to believe it was likely just 3 separate Qi charging coils. Hopefully that's not that the case and, say, a couple with 2 Series 3 Watches and a couple or the new AirPod chugging cases will be able to charge 4 devices, or a couple with two iPhones and a couple AirPods, or a family of 5 with 5 Watches, etc.
Unfortunately we may not get absolute word until next year when it launches, but we're still a bit in the dark on which 3rd-party Qi charging pads. When I was in the Apple Store to purchase my Series 3 Watch they had a 3rd-party Qi charging pad on the setup table but the Apple employee informed me it only works with the iPhone 8, and not the Series 3 Watch.
One problem is that according to what we’re reading, the Apple Watch has been using an Apple only charging solution. If it’s compatable with Apple’s upcoming pad, either the pad is using multiple methods, or Apple changed it in the series 3. Apple did say that they have technology (and assuming patents to back that up) that Qi doesn't, such as multiple device charging, which makes me believe that it’s NOT three individual charging spots on the pad. They also said that they are giving that new tech to Qi, if they’re interested.
it may also include a multiple standard charging capability.
AirPower will only work with the Series 3 Watch.
Honestly, I don't know why Apple didn't support Qi with their original Watch. It seemed clear to me that Qi was the standard going forward. It's been in development for nearly a decade and Starbucks, IKEA, and others, as well as countless tech companies adopted it before the Watch ever launched. Maybe it was about size of the coils they could put into the first two generations of Watch, but that reason seems less than ideal to me.
It’s interesting, and I don’t want to argue about it, but it says nothing about the series 2, which I just sold, now that I’ve got the LTE model. Apple often doesn’t mention discontinued goods, so that may be the case here, but it would be nice to know for sure, as there are a lot of people with one.
What does PowerbyProxi have that Apple can't replicate themselves? Could there be a larger, more grandiose play here, like we're starting to see with automobile charging pads being planned for EVs?
Still waiting for real wireless charging...that'll be the real game-changer.
Ya, there's not a single phone made that has Wireless Charging!!! They are all Inductive Charging.
Qi is wireless. You may not the distance currently available with inductive charring standards, but it's undeniably wireless power.
It's undeniably marketing hyperbole.
Calling this tech "wireless charging" would be like getting excited about a new type of ethernet cable that attached to devices with magnets and calling that "wireless."
:sigh: It's not MagSafe which physically connects metal pins that are held it in place using a magnet to make sure the pins form a physical connection. It's an electromagnetic field, not unlike how NFC creates an electromagnetic field; both of which are wireless technologies. This isn't up for debate. You can't say that power being sent though the air is not wireless simply because the distance doesn't match some sci-fi story or ridiculous expectation that it should be the same distance Bluetooth or cellular communication technologies.
In my defense, the picture for this article changed after I posted it. There is clearly an air gap in the picture now, so yeah this is "wireless." But calling the charging method for the Apple Watch or iPhone 8 wireless is misleading. I've never said that I'm expecting or demanding to be able to charge my devices while carrying them around; I just object to misleading terms. If I told someone that the Apple Watch charges wirelessly, they would call me a liar.
But it's not misleading to call Qi wireless. There physically is no wire going between the devices. That is the very definition of wireless. Distance is immaterial.
Induction charging is currently the best form of wireless charging we have at the moment and is even used in many car parks in Japan for charging wireless cars. A plate comes up to the bottom of the car and starts charging the car. No wires between them at all.
Even if your preferred definition of wireless charging is over the air charging you'd still be wrong in that definition because there will still be wires going to a power source which is nothing different to inductive charging.
I can't see how any definition then of wireless is truly wireless.
Some people just aren’t happy with what exists, so they change the definition until it means what they want it to mean. Others really don’t understand the definition. It’s hard to say with him which is which.
Yeah, wireless entails some kind of induction, electron moving produce em field em field induced movement in a conductor at a distance. The field decreases at distance squared so it’s pretty understandable why short distance were tried first. They already had induction stovetop so most of the job was done there :-)
directing power in in a way that’s both useful and not dangerous is non trivial for sure (though i expect devices like iOT and smart watches be the first to get a practical use for this.
i’am a fan of using standing waves from a spread out array of charging em sources to get to this (moves around to follow device)though it would be very wasteful in power . Only ok I guess for low power sippers.
What would be interesting is that low power could be ok, if it were charging all the time. Then there might not be too many worries about a fair amount of current traveling through the body when between the charger and the device, unless the power is designed to cut off when that happens, which could make it a problem if you sit where you’re between the phone on your pocket or belt, and the charger. It may hardly get charged then.
but all the time charging would require charging in every room you’re likely to be in during the average day, with your device present. For some people, it may be too expensive, as these kinds of chargers could cost more than a bit. After all, my 29 watt charger is already $49, sans cable.
Still waiting for real wireless charging...that'll be the real game-changer.
I don't give a crap about Inductive Charging. It's OLD TECH. I don't see what the big deal is. It's more Energy efficient to just plug it into a cheap cable then a $40+ charging pad that's still plugged into the wall. I dock my iPhone next to my bed every night and that's pretty darn fast.
It’s about convenience, not efficiency. Traveling with a single charging pad to plop three devices to charge on overnight is convenient. Ditto for walking up to a counter in the airport lounge, or wherever, dropping my phone on the counter and not needing to pack and carry a charging cable with me.
Convenience is the order of the day on this feature.
You can’t do that now. When, and if Apple’s comes out with its own device that enables that, then it would be more convenient. But I now have to charge three devices on a trip. I take my 29 watt charger and two cables. A 2 meter lightning cable for my iPad and iPhone, and a 2 meter cable for my Apple Watch.
i find I don’t have to charge all three every night. So it’s no inconvience. The watch charges pretty fast under any conditions. If I want to boost it, I can do so when getting ready to leave my room in the morning.
i don’t see much of an advantage in carrying a big plate with a bigger charger attached to it around with me wherever I go.
I assume by "big plate" you're referring to AirPower. That's not designed for travel. There are plenty of Qi chargers that are small enough to be more convenient than a 2 meter Series 0 Watch cable and Lightning Cable.
As you mention, the Watch charges fast, so even a low-power charger will be able to charge your Series 3 Watch while you get ready and then your iPhone X or 8 series overnight with half the cables and overall less bulk. Some are even designed around traveling so they have built-in battery packs.
I almost always travel with my MBP so I never bring a separate PSU. However, if I did I'd probably just bring the 5W since it may be enough in the aforementioned setup. If not, you may want to consider, say, a 12W 3rd-party PSU from a reputably company that offers 2x USB-A ports so that you can charge more than one device at a time.
PS: I'm glad they reduced the size of the Watch charging cable. I found 6 feet cable to be excessive. PPS: I've found that if I put my Watch in Theater Mode and turn off wireless when not needed I can go several days without charging my Watch while still using it throughout the day. It was very helpful for a 3 night hike into the mountains. I did bring an Anker lipstick charger and the meter long charging cable, but next time I'll likely just bring one of the travel chargers with a built in battery pack for more convenience. These are less than $30 and have good reviews (although working with the Series 3 Watch is still not certain).
I always buy longer cables. I find the short ones to be frustrating. You have to be really near an outlet. I often read on my iPad in bed. At home, I have a charger plugged in behind the bed, and a 2 meter cable coming out of the back of the bed, which isn’t a solid back. That way, if the battery is low, I can charge while reading.
when I travel, it’s finally true that most hotels have outlets, and even USB ports for charging. I find the USB ports to be low power, though good for the watch. I use the long cable again for reading my iPad in bed. I don’t find long cords inconvenient. It takes all of 15 seconds to wind it up and put in an outside pocket in my overnite bag, where I can easily get to it when in an airport that has ports of some kind in the terminal. 2 meters works better there too.
the Watch never came with a 2 meter cable. It was 1 meter, though it’s even shorter now, almost useless to me.
as far as traveling with Apple’s AirPower device, from what I saw in their picture, it was a bit big. No way I would take it with me. But I can see people insisting on that, as it wireless, so it must be more convenient, right?
1) Series 0 did. Series 1 and 2 came with a 1 meter. cable. I think Series 3 is still 1 meter, but they do sell a 0.3 meter cable as an accessory on their website. I really wish I had that when traveling, and if that works for the new iPhones as a trickle charger that sufficiently charges in less than 8 hours I may go for it once I upgrade next year.
2) My suggestion was to get a different Qi charger designed for travel while leaving your AirPower on your nightstand (or wherever you charge your devices over night). I also plan to have other charger for a future iPhone in various places so I can top off as needed.
What does PowerbyProxi have that Apple can't replicate themselves? Could there be a larger, more grandiose play here, like we're starting to see with automobile charging pads being planned for EVs?
Still waiting for real wireless charging...that'll be the real game-changer.
Ya, there's not a single phone made that has Wireless Charging!!! They are all Inductive Charging.
Qi is wireless. You may not the distance currently available with inductive charring standards, but it's undeniably wireless power.
It's undeniably marketing hyperbole.
Calling this tech "wireless charging" would be like getting excited about a new type of ethernet cable that attached to devices with magnets and calling that "wireless."
:sigh: It's not MagSafe which physically connects metal pins that are held it in place using a magnet to make sure the pins form a physical connection. It's an electromagnetic field, not unlike how NFC creates an electromagnetic field; both of which are wireless technologies. This isn't up for debate. You can't say that power being sent though the air is not wireless simply because the distance doesn't match some sci-fi story or ridiculous expectation that it should be the same distance Bluetooth or cellular communication technologies.
In my defense, the picture for this article changed after I posted it. There is clearly an air gap in the picture now, so yeah this is "wireless." But calling the charging method for the Apple Watch or iPhone 8 wireless is misleading. I've never said that I'm expecting or demanding to be able to charge my devices while carrying them around; I just object to misleading terms. If I told someone that the Apple Watch charges wirelessly, they would call me a liar.
Now you’re just trying to backtrack. You should know by now what wireless charging means, and it doesn’t mean “air gap” between devices.
I'm not backtracking. My complaint all along has been the misleading branding of this type of solution as "wireless." To me--and most reasonable people--if you say wireless, you mean there is no physical connection required. The original "wireless" (radios) were a breakthrough from telegraphs because--surprise surprise--the signal travelled though the air rather than a wire. WiFi--wireless networking--did away with the physical connection between the router and the device--yay. On the other hand, "wireless" charging? Oh, I get to put something on a plate instead of plugging two things together. La de da. I'm not saying that putting my phone on a mat isn't marginally more convenient than plugging it into a stand; I'm just saying "don't call it wireless."
What does PowerbyProxi have that Apple can't replicate themselves? Could there be a larger, more grandiose play here, like we're starting to see with automobile charging pads being planned for EVs?
Still waiting for real wireless charging...that'll be the real game-changer.
Ya, there's not a single phone made that has Wireless Charging!!! They are all Inductive Charging.
Qi is wireless. You may not the distance currently available with inductive charring standards, but it's undeniably wireless power.
What does PowerbyProxi have that Apple can't replicate themselves? A better question would be what does PowerbyProxi have that Apple can replicate? Does this remind you of anything? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uQUgq5k6N8
If you mean AirPower, then it does remind of it, but can devices be placed anywhere on the AirPower pad? I thought it had 3 distinct regions and could only support 3 devices. PowerbyProxi's solution, assuming it's different, is much better for reasons they mention in the video plus being even being less of a hassle for the user.
I would think the AirPower charging pad is just going to be an evolution of what PowerbyProxi presented in that video. Remember, that's from 2013. I've never read any info about the AirPower pad having distinct regions. As for the 3 device limit, I think that is strictly due to the size of the pad and the pad's size is strategically designed to accommodate an iPhone, Apple Watch, and AirPod case. I have no proof whatsoever but I'd also be willing to posit that the 3 device limit might have something to do with power constraints.
I also have no proof but the appearance and way it was presented led me to believe it was likely just 3 separate Qi charging coils. Hopefully that's not that the case and, say, a couple with 2 Series 3 Watches and a couple or the new AirPod chugging cases will be able to charge 4 devices, or a couple with two iPhones and a couple AirPods, or a family of 5 with 5 Watches, etc.
Unfortunately we may not get absolute word until next year when it launches, but we're still a bit in the dark on which 3rd-party Qi charging pads. When I was in the Apple Store to purchase my Series 3 Watch they had a 3rd-party Qi charging pad on the setup table but the Apple employee informed me it only works with the iPhone 8, and not the Series 3 Watch.
One problem is that according to what we’re reading, the Apple Watch has been using an Apple only charging solution. If it’s compatable with Apple’s upcoming pad, either the pad is using multiple methods, or Apple changed it in the series 3. Apple did say that they have technology (and assuming patents to back that up) that Qi doesn't, such as multiple device charging, which makes me believe that it’s NOT three individual charging spots on the pad. They also said that they are giving that new tech to Qi, if they’re interested.
it may also include a multiple standard charging capability.
AirPower will only work with the Series 3 Watch.
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Honestly, I don't know why Apple didn't support Qi with their original Watch. It seemed clear to me that Qi was the standard going forward. It's been in development for nearly a decade and Starbucks, IKEA, and others, as well as countless tech companies adopted it before the Watch ever launched. Maybe it was about size of the coils they could put into the first two generations of Watch, but that reason seems less than ideal to me.
It’s interesting, and I don’t want to argue about it, but it says nothing about the series 2, which I just sold, now that I’ve got the LTE model. Apple often doesn’t mention discontinued goods, so that may be the case here, but it would be nice to know for sure, as there are a lot of people with one.
I'd bet anything that Series 3 is the first Watch to support Qi, as the charging info didn't change between Series 0/1 and Series 2, and they don't seem to be making any effort to support dual charging technologies for backwards compatibility.
Still waiting for real wireless charging...that'll be the real game-changer.
I don't give a crap about Inductive Charging. It's OLD TECH. I don't see what the big deal is. It's more Energy efficient to just plug it into a cheap cable then a $40+ charging pad that's still plugged into the wall. I dock my iPhone next to my bed every night and that's pretty darn fast.
It’s about convenience, not efficiency. Traveling with a single charging pad to plop three devices to charge on overnight is convenient. Ditto for walking up to a counter in the airport lounge, or wherever, dropping my phone on the counter and not needing to pack and carry a charging cable with me.
Convenience is the order of the day on this feature.
You can’t do that now. When, and if Apple’s comes out with its own device that enables that, then it would be more convenient. But I now have to charge three devices on a trip. I take my 29 watt charger and two cables. A 2 meter lightning cable for my iPad and iPhone, and a 2 meter cable for my Apple Watch.
i find I don’t have to charge all three every night. So it’s no inconvience. The watch charges pretty fast under any conditions. If I want to boost it, I can do so when getting ready to leave my room in the morning.
i don’t see much of an advantage in carrying a big plate with a bigger charger attached to it around with me wherever I go.
I assume by "big plate" you're referring to AirPower. That's not designed for travel. There are plenty of Qi chargers that are small enough to be more convenient than a 2 meter Series 0 Watch cable and Lightning Cable.
As you mention, the Watch charges fast, so even a low-power charger will be able to charge your Series 3 Watch while you get ready and then your iPhone X or 8 series overnight with half the cables and overall less bulk. Some are even designed around traveling so they have built-in battery packs.
I almost always travel with my MBP so I never bring a separate PSU. However, if I did I'd probably just bring the 5W since it may be enough in the aforementioned setup. If not, you may want to consider, say, a 12W 3rd-party PSU from a reputably company that offers 2x USB-A ports so that you can charge more than one device at a time.
PS: I'm glad they reduced the size of the Watch charging cable. I found 6 feet cable to be excessive. PPS: I've found that if I put my Watch in Theater Mode and turn off wireless when not needed I can go several days without charging my Watch while still using it throughout the day. It was very helpful for a 3 night hike into the mountains. I did bring an Anker lipstick charger and the meter long charging cable, but next time I'll likely just bring one of the travel chargers with a built in battery pack for more convenience. These are less than $30 and have good reviews (although working with the Series 3 Watch is still not certain).
I always buy longer cables. I find the short ones to be frustrating. You have to be really near an outlet. I often read on my iPad in bed. At home, I have a charger plugged in behind the bed, and a 2 meter cable coming out of the back of the bed, which isn’t a solid back. That way, if the battery is low, I can charge while reading.
when I travel, it’s finally true that most hotels have outlets, and even USB ports for charging. I find the USB ports to be low power, though good for the watch. I use the long cable again for reading my iPad in bed. I don’t find long cords inconvenient. It takes all of 15 seconds to wind it up and put in an outside pocket in my overnite bag, where I can easily get to it when in an airport that has ports of some kind in the terminal. 2 meters works better there too.
the Watch never came with a 2 meter cable. It was 1 meter, though it’s even shorter now, almost useless to me.
as far as traveling with Apple’s AirPower device, from what I saw in their picture, it was a bit big. No way I would take it with me. But I can see people insisting on that, as it wireless, so it must be more convenient, right?
1) Series 0 did. Series 1 and 2 came with a 1 meter. cable. I think Series 3 is still 1 meter, but they do sell a 0.3 meter cable as an accessory on their website. I really wish I had that when traveling, and if that works for the new iPhones as a trickle charger that sufficiently charges in less than 8 hours I may go for it once I upgrade next year.
2) My suggestion was to get a different Qi charger designed for travel while leaving your AirPower on your nightstand (or wherever you charge your devices over night). I also plan to have other charger for a future iPhone in various places so I can top off as needed.
I think that’s a mistake. From what I’ve seen of my friends original Apple Watch cable, it looks about 1.5 meters. My series 2 cable is 1 meter, and my series 2 is shorter by several inches.
ive got chargers all over the house. Never know when you’ll need it! Normally I keep the 29mwatt with 2 meter cable in the living room. But I’ve got a 12cwatt in the dining room with a 2 meter cable. Of course all three of us can plug into our computers for charging as my wife does most often. I have chargers in my shops downstairs, garage shop, etc.
several years ago I bought a pack of 5 10 watt chargers. I’ve got a draw with about 10 5 watt chargers. Now, only good for the watch.
i doubt I’d ever bother with a wireless charger of any kind when traveling. It’s really too much of a hassle. Can you imagine using one in an airport, while you’re reading your iPad?
What does PowerbyProxi have that Apple can't replicate themselves? Could there be a larger, more grandiose play here, like we're starting to see with automobile charging pads being planned for EVs?
Still waiting for real wireless charging...that'll be the real game-changer.
Ya, there's not a single phone made that has Wireless Charging!!! They are all Inductive Charging.
Qi is wireless. You may not the distance currently available with inductive charring standards, but it's undeniably wireless power.
It's undeniably marketing hyperbole.
Calling this tech "wireless charging" would be like getting excited about a new type of ethernet cable that attached to devices with magnets and calling that "wireless."
:sigh: It's not MagSafe which physically connects metal pins that are held it in place using a magnet to make sure the pins form a physical connection. It's an electromagnetic field, not unlike how NFC creates an electromagnetic field; both of which are wireless technologies. This isn't up for debate. You can't say that power being sent though the air is not wireless simply because the distance doesn't match some sci-fi story or ridiculous expectation that it should be the same distance Bluetooth or cellular communication technologies.
In my defense, the picture for this article changed after I posted it. There is clearly an air gap in the picture now, so yeah this is "wireless." But calling the charging method for the Apple Watch or iPhone 8 wireless is misleading. I've never said that I'm expecting or demanding to be able to charge my devices while carrying them around; I just object to misleading terms. If I told someone that the Apple Watch charges wirelessly, they would call me a liar.
Now you’re just trying to backtrack. You should know by now what wireless charging means, and it doesn’t mean “air gap” between devices.
I'm not backtracking. My complaint all along has been the misleading branding of this type of solution as "wireless." To me--and most reasonable people--if you say wireless, you mean there is no physical connection required. The original "wireless" (radios) were a breakthrough from telegraphs because--surprise surprise--the signal travelled though the air rather than a wire. WiFi--wireless networking--did away with the physical connection between the router and the device--yay. On the other hand, "wireless" charging? Oh, I get to put something on a plate instead of plugging two things together. La de da. I'm not saying that putting my phone on a mat isn't marginally more convenient than plugging it into a stand; I'm just saying "don't call it wireless."
It’s not misbranding, and people who think it is, aren’t reasonable, they’re ignorant.
Still waiting for real wireless charging...that'll be the real game-changer.
I don't give a crap about Inductive Charging. It's OLD TECH. I don't see what the big deal is. It's more Energy efficient to just plug it into a cheap cable then a $40+ charging pad that's still plugged into the wall. I dock my iPhone next to my bed every night and that's pretty darn fast.
It’s about convenience, not efficiency. Traveling with a single charging pad to plop three devices to charge on overnight is convenient. Ditto for walking up to a counter in the airport lounge, or wherever, dropping my phone on the counter and not needing to pack and carry a charging cable with me.
Convenience is the order of the day on this feature.
You can’t do that now. When, and if Apple’s comes out with its own device that enables that, then it would be more convenient. But I now have to charge three devices on a trip. I take my 29 watt charger and two cables. A 2 meter lightning cable for my iPad and iPhone, and a 2 meter cable for my Apple Watch.
i find I don’t have to charge all three every night. So it’s no inconvience. The watch charges pretty fast under any conditions. If I want to boost it, I can do so when getting ready to leave my room in the morning.
i don’t see much of an advantage in carrying a big plate with a bigger charger attached to it around with me wherever I go.
I assume by "big plate" you're referring to AirPower. That's not designed for travel. There are plenty of Qi chargers that are small enough to be more convenient than a 2 meter Series 0 Watch cable and Lightning Cable.
As you mention, the Watch charges fast, so even a low-power charger will be able to charge your Series 3 Watch while you get ready and then your iPhone X or 8 series overnight with half the cables and overall less bulk. Some are even designed around traveling so they have built-in battery packs.
I almost always travel with my MBP so I never bring a separate PSU. However, if I did I'd probably just bring the 5W since it may be enough in the aforementioned setup. If not, you may want to consider, say, a 12W 3rd-party PSU from a reputably company that offers 2x USB-A ports so that you can charge more than one device at a time.
PS: I'm glad they reduced the size of the Watch charging cable. I found 6 feet cable to be excessive. PPS: I've found that if I put my Watch in Theater Mode and turn off wireless when not needed I can go several days without charging my Watch while still using it throughout the day. It was very helpful for a 3 night hike into the mountains. I did bring an Anker lipstick charger and the meter long charging cable, but next time I'll likely just bring one of the travel chargers with a built in battery pack for more convenience. These are less than $30 and have good reviews (although working with the Series 3 Watch is still not certain).
I always buy longer cables. I find the short ones to be frustrating. You have to be really near an outlet. I often read on my iPad in bed. At home, I have a charger plugged in behind the bed, and a 2 meter cable coming out of the back of the bed, which isn’t a solid back. That way, if the battery is low, I can charge while reading.
when I travel, it’s finally true that most hotels have outlets, and even USB ports for charging. I find the USB ports to be low power, though good for the watch. I use the long cable again for reading my iPad in bed. I don’t find long cords inconvenient. It takes all of 15 seconds to wind it up and put in an outside pocket in my overnite bag, where I can easily get to it when in an airport that has ports of some kind in the terminal. 2 meters works better there too.
the Watch never came with a 2 meter cable. It was 1 meter, though it’s even shorter now, almost useless to me.
as far as traveling with Apple’s AirPower device, from what I saw in their picture, it was a bit big. No way I would take it with me. But I can see people insisting on that, as it wireless, so it must be more convenient, right?
1) Series 0 did. Series 1 and 2 came with a 1 meter. cable. I think Series 3 is still 1 meter, but they do sell a 0.3 meter cable as an accessory on their website. I really wish I had that when traveling, and if that works for the new iPhones as a trickle charger that sufficiently charges in less than 8 hours I may go for it once I upgrade next year.
2) My suggestion was to get a different Qi charger designed for travel while leaving your AirPower on your nightstand (or wherever you charge your devices over night). I also plan to have other charger for a future iPhone in various places so I can top off as needed.
I think that’s a mistake. From what I’ve seen of my friends original Apple Watch cable, it looks about 1.5 meters. My series 2 cable is 1 meter, and my series 2 is shorter by several inches.
I don't know why you're arguing this point or referring later Apple Watches when I've stated direct experience with this and also supplied one of countless links which backs up my statement. One last attempt: Here's an unboxing video where he pulls out the cable.
Still waiting for real wireless charging...that'll be the real game-changer.
I don't give a crap about Inductive Charging. It's OLD TECH. I don't see what the big deal is. It's more Energy efficient to just plug it into a cheap cable then a $40+ charging pad that's still plugged into the wall. I dock my iPhone next to my bed every night and that's pretty darn fast.
It’s about convenience, not efficiency. Traveling with a single charging pad to plop three devices to charge on overnight is convenient. Ditto for walking up to a counter in the airport lounge, or wherever, dropping my phone on the counter and not needing to pack and carry a charging cable with me.
Convenience is the order of the day on this feature.
You can’t do that now. When, and if Apple’s comes out with its own device that enables that, then it would be more convenient. But I now have to charge three devices on a trip. I take my 29 watt charger and two cables. A 2 meter lightning cable for my iPad and iPhone, and a 2 meter cable for my Apple Watch.
i find I don’t have to charge all three every night. So it’s no inconvience. The watch charges pretty fast under any conditions. If I want to boost it, I can do so when getting ready to leave my room in the morning.
i don’t see much of an advantage in carrying a big plate with a bigger charger attached to it around with me wherever I go.
I assume by "big plate" you're referring to AirPower. That's not designed for travel. There are plenty of Qi chargers that are small enough to be more convenient than a 2 meter Series 0 Watch cable and Lightning Cable.
As you mention, the Watch charges fast, so even a low-power charger will be able to charge your Series 3 Watch while you get ready and then your iPhone X or 8 series overnight with half the cables and overall less bulk. Some are even designed around traveling so they have built-in battery packs.
I almost always travel with my MBP so I never bring a separate PSU. However, if I did I'd probably just bring the 5W since it may be enough in the aforementioned setup. If not, you may want to consider, say, a 12W 3rd-party PSU from a reputably company that offers 2x USB-A ports so that you can charge more than one device at a time.
PS: I'm glad they reduced the size of the Watch charging cable. I found 6 feet cable to be excessive. PPS: I've found that if I put my Watch in Theater Mode and turn off wireless when not needed I can go several days without charging my Watch while still using it throughout the day. It was very helpful for a 3 night hike into the mountains. I did bring an Anker lipstick charger and the meter long charging cable, but next time I'll likely just bring one of the travel chargers with a built in battery pack for more convenience. These are less than $30 and have good reviews (although working with the Series 3 Watch is still not certain).
I always buy longer cables. I find the short ones to be frustrating. You have to be really near an outlet. I often read on my iPad in bed. At home, I have a charger plugged in behind the bed, and a 2 meter cable coming out of the back of the bed, which isn’t a solid back. That way, if the battery is low, I can charge while reading.
when I travel, it’s finally true that most hotels have outlets, and even USB ports for charging. I find the USB ports to be low power, though good for the watch. I use the long cable again for reading my iPad in bed. I don’t find long cords inconvenient. It takes all of 15 seconds to wind it up and put in an outside pocket in my overnite bag, where I can easily get to it when in an airport that has ports of some kind in the terminal. 2 meters works better there too.
the Watch never came with a 2 meter cable. It was 1 meter, though it’s even shorter now, almost useless to me.
as far as traveling with Apple’s AirPower device, from what I saw in their picture, it was a bit big. No way I would take it with me. But I can see people insisting on that, as it wireless, so it must be more convenient, right?
1) Series 0 did. Series 1 and 2 came with a 1 meter. cable. I think Series 3 is still 1 meter, but they do sell a 0.3 meter cable as an accessory on their website. I really wish I had that when traveling, and if that works for the new iPhones as a trickle charger that sufficiently charges in less than 8 hours I may go for it once I upgrade next year.
2) My suggestion was to get a different Qi charger designed for travel while leaving your AirPower on your nightstand (or wherever you charge your devices over night). I also plan to have other charger for a future iPhone in various places so I can top off as needed.
I think that’s a mistake. From what I’ve seen of my friends original Apple Watch cable, it looks about 1.5 meters. My series 2 cable is 1 meter, and my series 2 is shorter by several inches.
I don't know why you're arguing this point or referring later Apple Watches when I've stated direct experience with this and also supplied one of countless links which backs up my statement. One last attempt: Here's an unboxing video where he pulls out the cable.
I’m not arguing it. I’m just saying it didn’t look like 2 meters.
What does PowerbyProxi have that Apple can't replicate themselves? Could there be a larger, more grandiose play here, like we're starting to see with automobile charging pads being planned for EVs?
Still waiting for real wireless charging...that'll be the real game-changer.
Ya, there's not a single phone made that has Wireless Charging!!! They are all Inductive Charging.
Qi is wireless. You may not the distance currently available with inductive charring standards, but it's undeniably wireless power.
It's undeniably marketing hyperbole.
Calling this tech "wireless charging" would be like getting excited about a new type of ethernet cable that attached to devices with magnets and calling that "wireless."
:sigh: It's not MagSafe which physically connects metal pins that are held it in place using a magnet to make sure the pins form a physical connection. It's an electromagnetic field, not unlike how NFC creates an electromagnetic field; both of which are wireless technologies. This isn't up for debate. You can't say that power being sent though the air is not wireless simply because the distance doesn't match some sci-fi story or ridiculous expectation that it should be the same distance Bluetooth or cellular communication technologies.
In my defense, the picture for this article changed after I posted it. There is clearly an air gap in the picture now, so yeah this is "wireless." But calling the charging method for the Apple Watch or iPhone 8 wireless is misleading. I've never said that I'm expecting or demanding to be able to charge my devices while carrying them around; I just object to misleading terms. If I told someone that the Apple Watch charges wirelessly, they would call me a liar.
But it's not misleading to call Qi wireless. There physically is no wire going between the devices. That is the very definition of wireless. Distance is immaterial.
Induction charging is currently the best form of wireless charging we have at the moment and is even used in many car parks in Japan for charging wireless cars. A plate comes up to the bottom of the car and starts charging the car. No wires between them at all.
Even if your preferred definition of wireless charging is over the air charging you'd still be wrong in that definition because there will still be wires going to a power source which is nothing different to inductive charging.
I can't see how any definition then of wireless is truly wireless.
Some people just aren’t happy with what exists, so they change the definition until it means what they want it to mean. Others really don’t understand the definition. It’s hard to say with him which is which.
Yeah, wireless entails some kind of induction, electron moving produce em field em field induced movement in a conductor at a distance. The field decreases at distance squared so it’s pretty understandable why short distance were tried first. They already had induction stovetop so most of the job was done there :-)
directing power in in a way that’s both useful and not dangerous is non trivial for sure (though i expect devices like iOT and smart watches be the first to get a practical use for this.
i’am a fan of using standing waves from a spread out array of charging em sources to get to this (moves around to follow device)though it would be very wasteful in power . Only ok I guess for low power sippers.
What would be interesting is that low power could be ok, if it were charging all the time. Then there might not be too many worries about a fair amount of current traveling through the body when between the charger and the device, unless the power is designed to cut off when that happens, which could make it a problem if you sit where you’re between the phone on your pocket or belt, and the charger. It may hardly get charged then.
but all the time charging would require charging in every room you’re likely to be in during the average day, with your device present. For some people, it may be too expensive, as these kinds of chargers could cost more than a bit. After all, my 29 watt charger is already $49, sans cable.
Yes, for this to work, you'd need quite a bit of those things which are equivalent to beamforming routers. So, say 3-4 "power routers" per room to produce a proper level of power through a standing wave. For this to work, those routers would need to work together (so more like a mesh I guess).
This is best for devices, you don't want to take off or that need to be powered from the environment cause there is no plugs of any kind). Eventually, just about everything we own will have some chip inside, even grocery; either their passive, or they actively interact with their environment. For that, they need power.
What does PowerbyProxi have that Apple can't replicate themselves? Could there be a larger, more grandiose play here, like we're starting to see with automobile charging pads being planned for EVs?
Still waiting for real wireless charging...that'll be the real game-changer.
Ya, there's not a single phone made that has Wireless Charging!!! They are all Inductive Charging.
Qi is wireless. You may not the distance currently available with inductive charring standards, but it's undeniably wireless power.
It's undeniably marketing hyperbole.
Calling this tech "wireless charging" would be like getting excited about a new type of ethernet cable that attached to devices with magnets and calling that "wireless."
:sigh: It's not MagSafe which physically connects metal pins that are held it in place using a magnet to make sure the pins form a physical connection. It's an electromagnetic field, not unlike how NFC creates an electromagnetic field; both of which are wireless technologies. This isn't up for debate. You can't say that power being sent though the air is not wireless simply because the distance doesn't match some sci-fi story or ridiculous expectation that it should be the same distance Bluetooth or cellular communication technologies.
In my defense, the picture for this article changed after I posted it. There is clearly an air gap in the picture now, so yeah this is "wireless." But calling the charging method for the Apple Watch or iPhone 8 wireless is misleading. I've never said that I'm expecting or demanding to be able to charge my devices while carrying them around; I just object to misleading terms. If I told someone that the Apple Watch charges wirelessly, they would call me a liar.
But it's not misleading to call Qi wireless. There physically is no wire going between the devices. That is the very definition of wireless. Distance is immaterial.
Induction charging is currently the best form of wireless charging we have at the moment and is even used in many car parks in Japan for charging wireless cars. A plate comes up to the bottom of the car and starts charging the car. No wires between them at all.
Even if your preferred definition of wireless charging is over the air charging you'd still be wrong in that definition because there will still be wires going to a power source which is nothing different to inductive charging.
I can't see how any definition then of wireless is truly wireless.
Some people just aren’t happy with what exists, so they change the definition until it means what they want it to mean. Others really don’t understand the definition. It’s hard to say with him which is which.
Yeah, wireless entails some kind of induction, electron moving produce em field em field induced movement in a conductor at a distance. The field decreases at distance squared so it’s pretty understandable why short distance were tried first. They already had induction stovetop so most of the job was done there :-)
directing power in in a way that’s both useful and not dangerous is non trivial for sure (though i expect devices like iOT and smart watches be the first to get a practical use for this.
i’am a fan of using standing waves from a spread out array of charging em sources to get to this (moves around to follow device)though it would be very wasteful in power . Only ok I guess for low power sippers.
What would be interesting is that low power could be ok, if it were charging all the time. Then there might not be too many worries about a fair amount of current traveling through the body when between the charger and the device, unless the power is designed to cut off when that happens, which could make it a problem if you sit where you’re between the phone on your pocket or belt, and the charger. It may hardly get charged then.
but all the time charging would require charging in every room you’re likely to be in during the average day, with your device present. For some people, it may be too expensive, as these kinds of chargers could cost more than a bit. After all, my 29 watt charger is already $49, sans cable.
Yes, for this to work, you'd need quite a bit of those things which are equivalent to beamforming routers. So, say 3-4 "power routers" per room to produce a proper level of power through a standing wave. For this to work, those routers would need to work together (so more like a mesh I guess).
This is best for devices, you don't want to take off or that need to be powered from the environment cause there is no plugs of any kind). Eventually, just about everything we own will have some chip inside, even grocery; either their passive, or they actively interact with their environment. For that, they need power.
Nobody really knows where this is going. The efficiency is so low though, that if it looks to take off, there may be laws that prevent it. These days, with what’s going on with global warming, increasing needs for more power (though power requirements in the US had leveled off because of greater efficiencies over the past ten years, or so), wasteful technologies like over the air charging, which will make wireless charging seem like a paragon of efficiency, may have a difficult time not being regulated away.
im not sure if that would be great or not, but it’s ok if a few people use it. If tens of millions do, or half the country, vast amounts of power will literally disappear into the air.
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directing power in in a way that’s both useful and not dangerous is non trivial for sure (though i expect devices like iOT and smart watches be the first to get a practical use for this.
i’am a fan of using standing waves from a spread out array of charging em sources to get to this (moves around to follow device)though it would be very wasteful in power . Only ok I guess for low power sippers.
when I travel, it’s finally true that most hotels have outlets, and even USB ports for charging. I find the USB ports to be low power, though good for the watch. I use the long cable again for reading my iPad in bed. I don’t find long cords inconvenient. It takes all of 15 seconds to wind it up and put in an outside pocket in my overnite bag, where I can easily get to it when in an airport that has ports of some kind in the terminal. 2 meters works better there too.
the Watch never came with a 2 meter cable. It was 1 meter, though it’s even shorter now, almost useless to me.
as far as traveling with Apple’s AirPower device, from what I saw in their picture, it was a bit big. No way I would take it with me. But I can see people insisting on that, as it wireless, so it must be more convenient, right?
but all the time charging would require charging in every room you’re likely to be in during the average day, with your device present. For some people, it may be too expensive, as these kinds of chargers could cost more than a bit. After all, my 29 watt charger is already $49, sans cable.
2) My suggestion was to get a different Qi charger designed for travel while leaving your AirPower on your nightstand (or wherever you charge your devices over night). I also plan to have other charger for a future iPhone in various places so I can top off as needed.
I'm not backtracking. My complaint all along has been the misleading branding of this type of solution as "wireless." To me--and most reasonable people--if you say wireless, you mean there is no physical connection required. The original "wireless" (radios) were a breakthrough from telegraphs because--surprise surprise--the signal travelled though the air rather than a wire. WiFi--wireless networking--did away with the physical connection between the router and the device--yay. On the other hand, "wireless" charging? Oh, I get to put something on a plate instead of plugging two things together. La de da. I'm not saying that putting my phone on a mat isn't marginally more convenient than plugging it into a stand; I'm just saying "don't call it wireless."
ive got chargers all over the house. Never know when you’ll need it! Normally I keep the 29mwatt with 2 meter cable in the living room. But I’ve got a 12cwatt in the dining room with a 2 meter cable. Of course all three of us can plug into our computers for charging as my wife does most often. I have chargers in my shops downstairs, garage shop, etc.
several years ago I bought a pack of 5 10 watt chargers. I’ve got a draw with about 10 5 watt chargers. Now, only good for the watch.
i doubt I’d ever bother with a wireless charger of any kind when traveling. It’s really too much of a hassle. Can you imagine using one in an airport, while you’re reading your iPad?
It’s not misbranding, and people who think it is, aren’t reasonable, they’re ignorant.
This is best for devices, you don't want to take off or that need to be powered from the environment cause there is no plugs of any kind). Eventually, just about everything we own will have some chip inside, even grocery; either their passive, or they actively interact with their environment. For that, they need power.
im not sure if that would be great or not, but it’s ok if a few people use it. If tens of millions do, or half the country, vast amounts of power will literally disappear into the air.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3234911/mobile-wireless/apple-just-bought-its-own-wireless-charging-company-heres-why.html