Apple sacks iPhone X engineer after daughter posts hands-on video to YouTube

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  • Reply 241 of 286
    Soli said:
    svanstrom said:
    Soli said:
    ben20 said:
    …firing someone over something he hasn’t posted…
    Personally allowed, in violation of corporate contract.
    Steve Jobs was no angel, Apple has a double standard here.
    Steve Jobs didn’t talk about unreleased products. There’s no double standard.
    Damn Right!  You'd never catch Steve breaking any rules!
    ...  Oh wait!  That's why they fired him -- he wouldn't follow their rules...

    For all those "rules is RULES" guys who support Apple firing this guy -- do you support their firing of Steve for the same reason?  (Not following rules)...
    It’s quite an assumption to suggest that those here agreeing with Apple in this matter and presenting their thoughtful views as to why they agree represent black and white ‘rules are rules’ people.  
    It's not "an assumption." It's literally statements many of you have said in this thread.
    It's literally what you're reading into what people are saying…
    You need better reading comprehension or a better memory if you don't recall the dozens of comments that directly refers to rules and either specifically stated that he knew the rules and should be fired (some even saying prosecuted for his crimes). Here's just one such specific example that shows that you're full of shit: "He knew the rules. He violated the rules." Frankly it's amazing that you think that comment in no way indicates "rules are rules,"and that's just comments that specifically use that word rules, while there are dozens of others that use synonymous term and refer to violating the NDA in any way means you should automatically be fired with extreme prejudice.
    Rules are rules. There, I made life easier for you. 

    You're welcome. 
    SpamSandwichairnerdGG1magman1979radarthekat
  • Reply 242 of 286
    What happened to the "secret police" on campus?  How come this was allowed to happen in the first place?
  • Reply 243 of 286
    That is why you keep secret work in the firm and in the lab and not ask people to run test drive outside. Family should not know then follow the rules. It is simple as that. Not itr is not harsh. We in public finance IT know it - we cannot discuss anything we saw or heard with family and we even have to allow monitoring investement accounts of direct family memners. SEC sets the rules. No discussion. Your firm has similar rules then follow them. I do not see the problem.
    radarthekat
  • Reply 244 of 286
    Soli said:
    svanstrom said:
    Soli said:
    ben20 said:
    …firing someone over something he hasn’t posted…
    Personally allowed, in violation of corporate contract.
    Steve Jobs was no angel, Apple has a double standard here.
    Steve Jobs didn’t talk about unreleased products. There’s no double standard.
    Damn Right!  You'd never catch Steve breaking any rules!
    ...  Oh wait!  That's why they fired him -- he wouldn't follow their rules...

    For all those "rules is RULES" guys who support Apple firing this guy -- do you support their firing of Steve for the same reason?  (Not following rules)...
    It’s quite an assumption to suggest that those here agreeing with Apple in this matter and presenting their thoughtful views as to why they agree represent black and white ‘rules are rules’ people.  
    It's not "an assumption." It's literally statements many of you have said in this thread.
    It's literally what you're reading into what people are saying…
    You need better reading comprehension or a better memory if you don't recall the dozens of comments that directly refers to rules and either specifically stated that he knew the rules and should be fired (some even saying prosecuted for his crimes). Here's just one such specific example that shows that you're full of shit: "He knew the rules. He violated the rules." Frankly it's amazing that you think that comment in no way indicates "rules are rules,"and that's just comments that specifically use that word rules, while there are dozens of others that use synonymous term and refer to violating the NDA in any way means you should automatically be fired with extreme prejudice.
    Be careful that you are not extrapolating beyond this specific context unfairly.  These posts are fairly one-dimensional, but people's views are complex.  While some may believe an NDA to be a black-and-white issue, I doubt they believe someone should be fired for being 20 minutes late. 
    edited October 2017 radarthekatpscooter63
  • Reply 245 of 286
    GG1GG1 Posts: 483member
    That is why you keep secret work in the firm and in the lab and not ask people to run test drive outside. Family should not know then follow the rules. It is simple as that. Not itr is not harsh. We in public finance IT know it - we cannot discuss anything we saw or heard with family and we even have to allow monitoring investement accounts of direct family memners. SEC sets the rules. No discussion. Your firm has similar rules then follow them. I do not see the problem.

    "That is why you keep secret work in the firm and in the lab and not ask people to run test drive outside."

    In my experience, with any electronic device that depends on "real world" inputs (GPS, cell phone signals, real traffic in the case of self-driving cars, etc.), lab conditions will take you only so far. With something as complicated as a smartphone, real world testing is required, as the highly dynamic nature of signal combinations, interactions, fading, etc. in the real world are too much to simulate in the lab. That is why Apple (and other phone makers) must test on the outside.

    I agree with the rest of you paragraph.


  • Reply 246 of 286
      While some may believe an NDA to be a black-and-white issue, I doubt they believe someone should be fired for being 20 minutes late. 
    If it's habitual, yeah, they should be.
    magman1979
  • Reply 247 of 286
    Soli said:
    svanstrom said:
    Soli said:
    ben20 said:
    …firing someone over something he hasn’t posted…
    Personally allowed, in violation of corporate contract.
    Steve Jobs was no angel, Apple has a double standard here.
    Steve Jobs didn’t talk about unreleased products. There’s no double standard.
    Damn Right!  You'd never catch Steve breaking any rules!
    ...  Oh wait!  That's why they fired him -- he wouldn't follow their rules...

    For all those "rules is RULES" guys who support Apple firing this guy -- do you support their firing of Steve for the same reason?  (Not following rules)...
    It’s quite an assumption to suggest that those here agreeing with Apple in this matter and presenting their thoughtful views as to why they agree represent black and white ‘rules are rules’ people.  
    It's not "an assumption." It's literally statements many of you have said in this thread.
    It's literally what you're reading into what people are saying…
    You need better reading comprehension or a better memory if you don't recall the dozens of comments that directly refers to rules and either specifically stated that he knew the rules and should be fired (some even saying prosecuted for his crimes). Here's just one such specific example that shows that you're full of shit: "He knew the rules. He violated the rules." Frankly it's amazing that you think that comment in no way indicates "rules are rules,"and that's just comments that specifically use that word rules, while there are dozens of others that use synonymous term and refer to violating the NDA in any way means you should automatically be fired with extreme prejudice.
    Since you can't figure out how context is relevant yourself I'll help you with how you should read that: "He knew the rules [in this situation]. He violated the rules [in this situation]".

    You can NOT generalise from that that ALL rules are the same. When YOU are interpreting that as "rules are rules", in an absolute sense, YOU are reading the words without any kind of social/normal human context. You are, simply put, failing at normal human conversation.
    radarthekat
  • Reply 248 of 286
    Stupid is as stupid does.
    magman1979
  • Reply 249 of 286
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    svanstrom said:
    Since you can't figure out how context is relevant yourself I'll help you with how you should read that: "He knew the rules [in this situation]. He violated the rules [in this situation]".

    You can NOT generalise from that that ALL rules are the same. When YOU are interpreting that as "rules are rules", in an absolute sense, YOU are reading the words without any kind of social/normal human context. You are, simply put, failing at normal human conversation.
    Way to miss the point… yet again. You may want to actually apply stop making ironic statements and apply context to what you read and actually think before you reply. Seriously, so many sad and pathetic commenters on this thread, especially the ones blaming the girl for getting her father fired simply because they can see her in the video despite he's the one that is holding the camera that's filming her in the employee cafeteria with his iPhone X. You do know that he still exists even though you can't see him on the video right? 
    edited October 2017 magman1979
  • Reply 250 of 286
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,299member
    Daughter blames dad for making an "innocent mistake". Yes, the dad made a mistake by allowing her daughter to record his iPhone X, but the daughter made an equally-wrong mistake by posting said video.

    The father did not deserve to be fired in this case, considering the timing of events. Had it been before the keynote, then absolutely, but not after the world already knew about it.

    I shouldn't be surprised after watching the first video, but that daughter is spoiled, and maybe this experience will teach her a few things about the real world. Starting with how to apologize to her dad?
    Look at my post that goes into detail what transpires in the video, and the background I provide on NDA's and HR actions. Father takes the bulk of the blame in enabling her to bring a dSLR camera into a video-restricted area, and then proceeds to violate multiple aspects of his NDA, it is clear-cut that he is primarily the one at fault, and termination was completely justified.
    asdasd said:

    Cafe Macs is open to the public - at least you can bring people in. So whatever rules apply within Apple proper can’t apply there. 
    Wrong, video taping ANYWHERE on campus is strictly prohibited, and Caffé Macs is public accessible by escort only, the rules extend to the visitors, and the escort must make the rules clear to them, and can be held accountable for their actions in the event of a breach of protocol.
    You are a font of knowledge because you once signed an NDA for a different company.  However there are plenty of pictures taken in cafe macs every year and no prosecutions. you should alert the authorities. 


    Your FUD response doesn't do anything to discredit or disprove anything I wrote in my post, so when you actually have something meaningful to say, feel free to come back.
    radarthekat
  • Reply 251 of 286
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,299member
    Be careful that you are not extrapolating beyond this specific context unfairly.  These posts are fairly one-dimensional, but people's views are complex.  While some may believe an NDA to be a black-and-white issue, I doubt they believe someone should be fired for being 20 minutes late. 
    That's not an accurate analogy, as clauses for being late, and consequences relating to that, do not fall under an NDA, but rather just your standard employment agreement.
  • Reply 252 of 286
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,879moderator
    Soli said:
    svanstrom said:
    Soli said:
    ben20 said:
    …firing someone over something he hasn’t posted…
    Personally allowed, in violation of corporate contract.
    Steve Jobs was no angel, Apple has a double standard here.
    Steve Jobs didn’t talk about unreleased products. There’s no double standard.
    Damn Right!  You'd never catch Steve breaking any rules!
    ...  Oh wait!  That's why they fired him -- he wouldn't follow their rules...

    For all those "rules is RULES" guys who support Apple firing this guy -- do you support their firing of Steve for the same reason?  (Not following rules)...
    It’s quite an assumption to suggest that those here agreeing with Apple in this matter and presenting their thoughtful views as to why they agree represent black and white ‘rules are rules’ people.  
    It's not "an assumption." It's literally statements many of you have said in this thread.
    It's literally what you're reading into what people are saying…
    You need better reading comprehension or a better memory if you don't recall the dozens of comments that directly refers to rules and either specifically stated that he knew the rules and should be fired (some even saying prosecuted for his crimes). Here's just one such specific example that shows that you're full of shit: "He knew the rules. He violated the rules." Frankly it's amazing that you think that comment in no way indicates "rules are rules,"and that's just comments that specifically use that word rules, while there are dozens of others that use synonymous term and refer to violating the NDA in any way means you should automatically be fired with extreme prejudice.
    So the fact a person uses the term in one context, to your mind, means that he is a ‘rules are rules’ person?  You don’t see how you’re stretching this conversation to place labels on people?  Do you personally know the people in this message thread who you are labeling as ‘rules are rules’ people?  
    magman1979svanstromanantksundarampscooter63
  • Reply 253 of 286
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,879moderator

    Soli said:
    svanstrom said:
    Soli said:
    ben20 said:
    …firing someone over something he hasn’t posted…
    Personally allowed, in violation of corporate contract.
    Steve Jobs was no angel, Apple has a double standard here.
    Steve Jobs didn’t talk about unreleased products. There’s no double standard.
    Damn Right!  You'd never catch Steve breaking any rules!
    ...  Oh wait!  That's why they fired him -- he wouldn't follow their rules...

    For all those "rules is RULES" guys who support Apple firing this guy -- do you support their firing of Steve for the same reason?  (Not following rules)...
    It’s quite an assumption to suggest that those here agreeing with Apple in this matter and presenting their thoughtful views as to why they agree represent black and white ‘rules are rules’ people.  
    It's not "an assumption." It's literally statements many of you have said in this thread.
    It's literally what you're reading into what people are saying…
    You need better reading comprehension or a better memory if you don't recall the dozens of comments that directly refers to rules and either specifically stated that he knew the rules and should be fired (some even saying prosecuted for his crimes). Here's just one such specific example that shows that you're full of shit: "He knew the rules. He violated the rules." Frankly it's amazing that you think that comment in no way indicates "rules are rules,"and that's just comments that specifically use that word rules, while there are dozens of others that use synonymous term and refer to violating the NDA in any way means you should automatically be fired with extreme prejudice.
    Be careful that you are not extrapolating beyond this specific context unfairly.  These posts are fairly one-dimensional, but people's views are complex.  While some may believe an NDA to be a black-and-white issue, I doubt they believe someone should be fired for being 20 minutes late. 
    You stated better the point I tried to make to him.  Thank you. 
  • Reply 254 of 286
    The punishment of the employee for something his daughter did is ridiculously harsh. It feels as if Apple is firing the girl's father to punish her. Where is the love? Where is the compassion? This is not the company image they are trying to show in their ads. This is a cold calculating company with no mercy and no forgiveness. They are letting their employees carry iPhone X phones around all over the place. I even spotted one in my local grocery store in Placerville, CA which is 170 miles from Cupertino only a week after it was announced. This sort of thing was bound to happen. If it is secret, keep it under lock and key. If it isn't then expect it to show up in YouTube videos. That's the world we live in.
  • Reply 255 of 286
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,879moderator

    svanstrom said:
    Soli said:
    svanstrom said:
    Soli said:
    ben20 said:
    …firing someone over something he hasn’t posted…
    Personally allowed, in violation of corporate contract.
    Steve Jobs was no angel, Apple has a double standard here.
    Steve Jobs didn’t talk about unreleased products. There’s no double standard.
    Damn Right!  You'd never catch Steve breaking any rules!
    ...  Oh wait!  That's why they fired him -- he wouldn't follow their rules...

    For all those "rules is RULES" guys who support Apple firing this guy -- do you support their firing of Steve for the same reason?  (Not following rules)...
    It’s quite an assumption to suggest that those here agreeing with Apple in this matter and presenting their thoughtful views as to why they agree represent black and white ‘rules are rules’ people.  
    It's not "an assumption." It's literally statements many of you have said in this thread.
    It's literally what you're reading into what people are saying…
    You need better reading comprehension or a better memory if you don't recall the dozens of comments that directly refers to rules and either specifically stated that he knew the rules and should be fired (some even saying prosecuted for his crimes). Here's just one such specific example that shows that you're full of shit: "He knew the rules. He violated the rules." Frankly it's amazing that you think that comment in no way indicates "rules are rules,"and that's just comments that specifically use that word rules, while there are dozens of others that use synonymous term and refer to violating the NDA in any way means you should automatically be fired with extreme prejudice.
    Since you can't figure out how context is relevant yourself I'll help you with how you should read that: "He knew the rules [in this situation]. He violated the rules [in this situation]".

    You can NOT generalise from that that ALL rules are the same. When YOU are interpreting that as "rules are rules", in an absolute sense, YOU are reading the words without any kind of social/normal human context. You are, simply put, failing at normal human conversation.
    Bingo!
    svanstromanantksundaram
  • Reply 256 of 286
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,879moderator

    Soli said:
    svanstrom said:
    Since you can't figure out how context is relevant yourself I'll help you with how you should read that: "He knew the rules [in this situation]. He violated the rules [in this situation]".

    You can NOT generalise from that that ALL rules are the same. When YOU are interpreting that as "rules are rules", in an absolute sense, YOU are reading the words without any kind of social/normal human context. You are, simply put, failing at normal human conversation.
    Way to miss the point… yet again. You may want to actually apply stop making ironic statements and apply context to what you read and actually think before you reply. Seriously, so many sad and pathetic commenters on this thread, especially the ones blaming the girl for getting her father fired simply because they can see her in the video despite he's the one that is holding the camera that's filming her in the employee cafeteria with his iPhone X. You do know that he still exists even though you can't see him on the video right? 
    Was that a goalpost I just saw going by?  
    magman1979anantksundaramsvanstrom
  • Reply 257 of 286
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,879moderator

    Be careful that you are not extrapolating beyond this specific context unfairly.  These posts are fairly one-dimensional, but people's views are complex.  While some may believe an NDA to be a black-and-white issue, I doubt they believe someone should be fired for being 20 minutes late. 
    That's not an accurate analogy, as clauses for being late, and consequences relating to that, do not fall under an NDA, but rather just your standard employment agreement.
    Read that back again.  You’ll see he wasn’t implying that being late would be covered under an NDA.  
  • Reply 258 of 286
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,299member

    Be careful that you are not extrapolating beyond this specific context unfairly.  These posts are fairly one-dimensional, but people's views are complex.  While some may believe an NDA to be a black-and-white issue, I doubt they believe someone should be fired for being 20 minutes late. 
    That's not an accurate analogy, as clauses for being late, and consequences relating to that, do not fall under an NDA, but rather just your standard employment agreement.
    Read that back again.  You’ll see he wasn’t implying that being late would be covered under an NDA.  
    Bah, my bad, coffee hasn't percolated thru the veins yet :)
    radarthekat
  • Reply 259 of 286
    Yea, loosing your job is a harsh punishment but it was part of the Apple NDA.  Apple was within their rights to exercise the penalty for the violation of the NDA.  If they hadn't, then a flood of others would feel they could also violate the NDA.  Mr Peterson knows that and should never have let his daughter get her hands on the phone.  And to Brooke Amelia Peterson, you got your father fired from Apple.  But I'm guessing you knew the consequences but decided to post the video anyways.  You wanted to impress your friends I guess.  Have you apologized to your father?
    pscooter63
  • Reply 260 of 286
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    asdasd said:
    What did she show in the video that wasn't already shown in the keynote?
    It doesn't matter.
    It does actually. Both morally and legally. NDAs are not enforceable if something is already public knowledge. 

    That said he does work in an at will state so Apple can do what they want. 
    Incorrect, NDA's remain in-force on company property, with as-yet unreleased technology, regardless if a keynote presentation was made or not. The phone in question was a pre-production unit with custom software, some of which now has leaked to the public as a result of this stupid act on the part of both the father and daughter.

    Please try and show a little less ignorance and learn about how NDA's work before making such statements, doesn't shine a good light on you.

    GeorgeBMac said:
    Good...  Glad to hear that you are retreating with your tail tucked between your little legs...  But, I'll give you a "Nice Try" if it makes you feel better!
    And with that one statement you provided the previous poster right about you, and your adolescent behaviour.

    GeorgeBMac said:
    ben20 said:
    …firing someone over something he hasn’t posted…
    Personally allowed, in violation of corporate contract.
    Steve Jobs was no angel, Apple has a double standard here.
    Steve Jobs didn’t talk about unreleased products. There’s no double standard.
    Damn Right!  You'd never catch Steve breaking any rules!
    ...  Oh wait!  That's why they fired him -- he wouldn't follow their rules...

    For all those "rules is RULES" guys who support Apple firing this guy -- do you support their firing of Steve for the same reason?  (Not following rules)...
    And now, you've outed yourself out as a troll with that stupid vitriol...
    LOL...  So you couldn't answer the question?   Typical....
    Soli
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