Good for those who can justify the price of an iMac Pro. How about more support for MacOS and get MacOS into the hands of more people. A reasonably priced and spec'ed headless mac is needed.
*cough* Mac mini *cough*
Apple is not going to make a modular Mac mini...so just give it up. For the average consumer, the current Mac mini is more than enough power.
All-in-one (AIO) computers like iMac are a huge aggression to planet Earth. Computers may last for seven years or less, whereas displays may last for more than 20 years.
Please shut the fuck up with that nonsense. The number of consumer displays in use from 20 years ago is practically nil and we're not going to give up our notebooks, tablets smartphones, smartwatches, and everything else that comes with a built-in display because you have a problem with an already low-yield device, the iMac.
He made a reasonable point. Why so touchy about it?
No he didn’t.
Given the the improvements in power efficiency over the past 20 years, he’s not doing the environment any favours by hanging on to his old monitor.
If he can’t afford a new one, or is too tight to replace it, then fine – but The iMac is pretty easy to recycle, so let’s not pretend he’s doing this to help the environment.
Also, there are serious hazards with CRT displays from an environmental standpoint. Much worse than LCD panels.
Still waiting that each time I say "Hey, Sarah!" to my daughter, Siri does not wake up.
Amazon offers several options for waking Alexa. Because the far-field mics are so sensitive I have different wake words for my Echo and Echo Dot. It’s very handy.
With HomePod coming and “Hey, Siri” available on iDevices I hope this will be an option by the time the HomePod launches (but I doubt it). I also hope that it can pick up unique users in a household.
All-in-one (AIO) computers like iMac are a huge aggression to planet Earth. Computers may last for seven years or less, whereas displays may last for more than 20 years.
go troll this bullshit somewhere else. Macs are extremely long-lived and highly recyclable, making them a more ecological choice than any crappy plastic Dell desktop.
nobody uses a display for TWENTY YEARS. there is something wrong with your brain.
Damn! I better get rid of mine! Such a shame. It's works great and I love the picture quality on it. None of that posterized looking stuff like you get on the flat screens.
you’re not using a 20 year old monitor. next.
You're right. It's more like 22-23 years old. .... It's connected to the machine I use as a server. For everyday stuff I use a laptop & iPhone.
All-in-one (AIO) computers like iMac are a huge aggression to planet Earth. Computers may last for seven years or less, whereas displays may last for more than 20 years.
go troll this bullshit somewhere else. Macs are extremely long-lived and highly recyclable, making them a more ecological choice than any crappy plastic Dell desktop.
nobody uses a display for TWENTY YEARS. there is something wrong with your brain.
Damn! I better get rid of mine! Such a shame. It's works great and I love the picture quality on it. None of that posterized looking stuff like you get on the flat screens.
you’re not using a 20 year old monitor. next.
You're right. It's more like 22-23 years old. .... It's connected to the machine I use as a server. For everyday stuff I use a laptop & iPhone.
So by your own admission you’ve just stated that it’s connected to a machine which you don’t directly access frequently and use two other devices with built-in displays that are much newer than 20 years old.
All-in-one (AIO) computers like iMac are a huge aggression to planet Earth. Computers may last for seven years or less, whereas displays may last for more than 20 years.
Please shut the fuck up with that nonsense. The number of consumer displays in use from 20 years ago is practically nil and we're not going to give up our notebooks, tablets smartphones, smartwatches, and everything else that comes with a built-in display because you have a problem with an already low-yield device, the iMac.
20 years? No. 10-15 years, yes. Also, if you cannot engage with civility, don't engage at all.
All-in-one (AIO) computers like iMac are a huge aggression to planet Earth. Computers may last for seven years or less, whereas displays may last for more than 20 years.
Multiple people have demolished most of this near-sighted statement, but nobody has addressed your point that “computers may last seven years or less” — let’s talk about that.
Setting aside the obvious fact that computers can remain in use beyond seven years (within families, for example), let’s turn to the problem of the macOS leaving perfectly-functional hardware behind, which I assume is the basis of your claim. macOS High Sierra (2017) runs on the Late 2009 iMac and later, so seven or eight years sounds about right.
I do maybe think there is an opportunity here for Apple to make an eco-friendly statement. I’d love to see them periodically choose to maintain security/Safari for an older OS to keep older Macs safe to run — Yosemite would have been a very good choice. El Capitan, too, though its RAM requirements complicate that.
Facing forward, some configurations would probably have to downgrade to maintain security/Safari after being left behind, but Apple could mitigate most of those issues by planning for it. High Sierra might be a good choice to start with, assuming the next macOS leaves some machines behind. Apple could start planning now to make High Sierra a “legacy” macOS, supported for, say, an additional three years or more, so those Late 2009 iMacs would have support beyond 2017.
With regard to sales, Apple would then be able to say all Macs receive software support for a minimum of ten years, while still allowing macOS to push the envelope and leave older configurations behind when necessary...
I agree. It's one of the main reasons why I do not use Macs. My everyday computer is a Lenovo T410 I7 (2009) My financial computer is a Lenovo T60P Dual Core (2006)
Both are up to date software and security wise and both run just fine. And both cost less than $150 (but I did add memory, new batteries, 2nd harddrives, etc... I'm debating on adding an SSD)
I just bought a T530 I5 for a friend. $130 plus about $35 to bring it up to 8Gb of memory. It works great.
I love the keyboards on every one of those things. Apple has yet to touch it. Actually, they're going the opposite direction.
I would love to get a MacBook. But, I just can't justify it. They literally cost between 5 to 20 times more. The old Lenovos meet both my needs and my budget.
All-in-one (AIO) computers like iMac are a huge aggression to planet Earth. Computers may last for seven years or less, whereas displays may last for more than 20 years.
Multiple people have demolished most of this near-sighted statement, but nobody has addressed your point that “computers may last seven years or less” — let’s talk about that.
Setting aside the obvious fact that computers can remain in use beyond seven years (within families, for example), let’s turn to the problem of the macOS leaving perfectly-functional hardware behind, which I assume is the basis of your claim. macOS High Sierra (2017) runs on the Late 2009 iMac and later, so seven or eight years sounds about right.
I do maybe think there is an opportunity here for Apple to make an eco-friendly statement. I’d love to see them periodically choose to maintain security/Safari for an older OS to keep older Macs safe to run — Yosemite would have been a very good choice. El Capitan, too, though its RAM requirements complicate that.
Facing forward, some configurations would probably have to downgrade to maintain security/Safari after being left behind, but Apple could mitigate most of those issues by planning for it. High Sierra might be a good choice to start with, assuming the next macOS leaves some machines behind. Apple could start planning now to make High Sierra a “legacy” macOS, supported for, say, an additional three years or more, so those Late 2009 iMacs would have support beyond 2017.
With regard to sales, Apple would then be able to say all Macs receive software support for a minimum of ten years, while still allowing macOS to push the envelope and leave older configurations behind when necessary...
There are significant complications in maintaining something like Safari for old versions of the OS. By not doing that, Safari can always be built with the the latest development tools, use the latest OS features, and assume some base level of hardware performance. The further you go back in required supported Operating Systems, the more you complicate and constrain development. The better approach is the one Apple already does, have the OS support as much hardware as possible, require the free OS upgrades to get the latest version of apps.
How many people here are remotely interested in Siri on the desktop?
I use Siri on my Mac all the time. Mostly for finding images in Photos or locating my wife (via Find My Friends). Siri can, say, find photos of my daughter from February 2015 much faster than I can using the keyboard or the mouse. I also use it for quick math.
It frustrates me that Siri on the Mac can understand when I’m making HomeKit requests but cannot follow through with them. The response is something like, “I can’t complete HomeKit requests on this device”, so it “knows” I’m making a HomeKit request. How can it be set to know but then not to follow through? Just seems odd.
All-in-one (AIO) computers like iMac are a huge aggression to planet Earth. Computers may last for seven years or less, whereas displays may last for more than 20 years.
go troll this bullshit somewhere else. Macs are extremely long-lived and highly recyclable, making them a more ecological choice than any crappy plastic Dell desktop.
nobody uses a display for TWENTY YEARS. there is something wrong with your brain.
Damn! I better get rid of mine! Such a shame. It's works great and I love the picture quality on it. None of that posterized looking stuff like you get on the flat screens.
So you are actually using a 20 year old monitor? Is that what I am understanding? By your comment it seems like you are talking about a TV, and not a computer monitor?
For locating people, making calls, sending messages, as a calculator, currency conversion... I almost never use the dial pad or Contacts app to make calls, it is always Siri.
For locating people, making calls, sending messages, as a calculator, currency conversion... I almost never use the dial pad or Contacts app to make calls, it is always Siri.
There are countless ways in which Siri is the best interface, but I think Apple drops the ball in not reminding you of current feature and letting you know of new features.
Amazon does this and I look forward to their Friday emails so I can try new features, which also include features Skills (their 3rd party Alexa apps).
No Touchscreen Almost same outside 10 years old design. (look at Surface studio) Can you upgrade any of the components (internal HD, etc)? Maybe they ship the keyboard with a strip in order to justify the expensive price.
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Apple is not going to make a modular Mac mini...so just give it up. For the average consumer, the current Mac mini is more than enough power.
With HomePod coming and “Hey, Siri” available on iDevices I hope this will be an option by the time the HomePod launches (but I doubt it). I also hope that it can pick up unique users in a household.
I just tried it.
Yup, Siri activates with a ‘Hey Sarah’ and then offers to contact the Sarahs I know.
Bizarre.
.... It's connected to the machine I use as a server. For everyday stuff I use a laptop & iPhone.
My everyday computer is a Lenovo T410 I7 (2009)
My financial computer is a Lenovo T60P Dual Core (2006)
Both are up to date software and security wise and both run just fine. And both cost less than $150 (but I did add memory, new batteries, 2nd harddrives, etc... I'm debating on adding an SSD)
I just bought a T530 I5 for a friend. $130 plus about $35 to bring it up to 8Gb of memory. It works great.
I love the keyboards on every one of those things. Apple has yet to touch it. Actually, they're going the opposite direction.
I would love to get a MacBook. But, I just can't justify it. They literally cost between 5 to 20 times more. The old Lenovos meet both my needs and my budget.
Yes, Siri is still too much of a toy for me.
It frustrates me that Siri on the Mac can understand when I’m making HomeKit requests but cannot follow through with them. The response is something like, “I can’t complete HomeKit requests on this device”, so it “knows” I’m making a HomeKit request. How can it be set to know but then not to follow through? Just seems odd.
Amazon does this and I look forward to their Friday emails so I can try new features, which also include features Skills (their 3rd party Alexa apps).