I felt like the iOS UI was actually improving while he was out designing buildings and Christmas tree displays.
Do you really think he has that much involvement in software UI? He never talks about it in interviews. My guess is it’s more ceremonial because of his title.
Soooo glad to hear this. The hardware designs have taken s step back in some ways.
And Ive Revolutionized iOS with a perfect minimalist UI THAT WAS THOROUGH.
THE current iteration can use a thorough going over. Keep it minimal and consistent.
I was thinking when Ive got involved was when it went downhill.
Yeah everyone loved that felt and fake wood interface...
Why does every god damn article turn into this constant negativity and results into this I know how to run Apple better than Apple?
At least the entire comment thread isn’t obsessed with the way an author (mis)uses a single word. This is practically the commenters of AI singing Kumbiya in unison.
It is my belief that he has been unavailable Because he has been working on some super secret project that will come out the first of the year. And if I’m right when they introduce it you all will say huh! We’ve wasted all this time arguing that ui is ugly
Bad news for software. He should not have influence over software.
I think I remember that he was in charge of the UI design not the actual software functionality. Personally, I am not a big fan of tiny, thin gray fonts on a slightly different shade of gray background. Too hard to read, especially outdoors in sunlight. It might be pleasing to his design sensibilities but it is not very practical in my opinion.
Unfortunately you can't have one without the other. Just got iOS 11 on anew iPhone 8plus and I hate the redesigned podcastbapp,
You want that stupid reel to reel tape player back?
StrangeDays said: Yes, if by “downhill” you mean growth exploded in multiple sectors and industries, with the best grossing product of all time under his belt, not to mention the most desired mp3 players, tablets, smart watches, and notebooks, all imitated and aped by competitors domestic and abroad, all of which catapulted the company into the single most successful public company in the history of earth. Yeah, totally went “downhill”. What a shame.
No, I meant like iOS 7. And, when you have a popular growing product-line, people might still be buying it even with an inferior UI.
macxpress said: Yeah everyone loved that felt and fake wood interface...
There is a ***HUGE*** in-between area in UI design when we're talking skeuomorphic felt and fake wood vs flat, white with some minimal text that might or might not be buttons, and non-descript B&W icons.
randominternetperson said: Pretty sure Ive had nothing to do with the Podcast app. I didn't like the change at first, but after a few weeks, it's working fine for me now. Change can be hard.
When it comes to the Podcast app especially - but as a general UI design principle - the problem isn't just a matter of change and some people's resistance to it. There actually is such a thing as good design and bad design. It isn't purely subjective. Also, they destroyed a bunch of actual functionality, which can be quite objectively evaluated.
bb-15 said: As for Apple going downhill, for the last 17 years, in the Jony Ive era, the haters have said that Apple was supposed to be going out of business, every year.
There's a difference between know-nothing speculators who just said... 'Well, Jobs is dead so it's all over for Apple now.' or 'It's been a year, and no next big thing, so it's all over.' and people like myself - who actually criticized those people! - and who have closely followed Apple for 30+ years and have noticed a distinct change in how they are operating, and are concerned. (And, who are saying that Apple could run another 10 years even if they screw nearly everything up.)
macplusplus said: Downhill? Ive’s interface is the best one for Retina displays. The old one was too cumbersome and heavy, not suitable to high resolution. No need to discuss that after so many iOS versions. It has just proven itself.
Yes, I agree that it was ahead of its time in terms of font-weight and such given all the people who weren't on Retina yet, etc. But, I'm talking about other UI aspects. It's not that it isn't pretty enough. The problem is more too many non-descript icons or places of action, or things like stripping the color out. For example, if you create a row of icons where one has color and the other is black and white, the color one is superior because it is much quicker to recognize the red delete icon from the green send icon, etc. The look of the design and the functionality are sometimes a balance game. Ive went to an extreme, and not a good one in terms of UX/UI design.
Are people getting used to it? Yes, but that's besides the point. People can get used to a really horrible UI. Apple's principal on UI, though, was always that it should be as usable as possible to a brand new user, while still being powerful for the advanced user. They've been breaking that in tons of ways, from visual to operation to inconsistency.
fastasleep said: You want that stupid reel to reel tape player back?
Being able to play episodes in succession would be nice.
Look, I haven't even used the new iOS 11 Podcast app yet, because I switched to Overcast. But, I follow several of the world's top podcast experts including Rob Walch of Libsyn and Today in iOS fame... and they are all complaining about the new Podcast app being kind of a train-wreck and missing basic functionality.
It's one thing to make a mistake or not quite get it right (and then adjust based on testing or feedback). It's quite another to re-design something that fundamentally misses the mark. The people working on the Podcast app should at least be familiar with podcasting and use of a podcast app. It's quite clear they weren't. (From the description, my guess would be Apple Music people worked on it.)
"Absolutely, all of your feelings and feedback around the MacBook you use, we couldn't want to listen to more," Ive said earlier this week in Washington DC. "And we hear — boy, do we hear."
Looks like we complainers aren't just a few cranky Mac-haters after all, and at least Ive is acknowledging that.
Bad news for software. He should not have influence over software.
BS. He did a great job with the design of IOS 7. He cleaned it up, and made it much more consistent across all of Apple's applications. Prior to him taking over, many of Apple's own applications weren't consistent in the use of the same types of functions. IOS 7 was a great foundation to build from.
Apple is good at design, where it needs help is coding. IOS 11 is buggy as hell.
Soooo glad to hear this. The hardware designs have taken s step back in some ways.
And Ive Revolutionized iOS with a perfect minimalist UI THAT WAS THOROUGH.
THE current iteration can use a thorough going over. Keep it minimal and consistent.
I was thinking when Ive got involved was when it went downhill.
Downhill? Ive’s interface is the best one for Retina displays. The old one was too cumbersome and heavy, not suitable to high resolution. No need to discuss that after so many iOS versions. It has just proven itself.
Agreed. Ive made iOS much better, not only visbly, but in the way it functioned. Further, simplifying the design also used less system resources. Prior to him taking over, the OS was cluttered, busy, and inconsistent.
Well, one thing's for sure: No more glass backs. It'll be back to AlooMINium...
All the debate over Ive's contribution (positive or negative)... But I am certain of one thing: He had little or nothing to do with one thing that has set Apple head and shoulders above all else: The Apple wraparound ecosystem that has evolved into a marvel of engineering. And weirdly, that has made Apple what Job's hated most: The IBM of the 21st century (where "Nobody ever got fired for buying Apple"). Where Apple is no longer the bleeding edge innovative leader, but the solid, dependable rock that you can depend on because you know you're getting a quality product backed by a quality organization. ... I can only wonder if there was a single visionary behind that, or if it just sort of happened that way...
But then, maybe he did have something to do with that: Perhaps it evolved out of the example he set of putting thoughtful quality into every detail of every product and making every product a joy to use.
Well, one thing's for sure: No more glass backs. It'll be back to AlooMINium...
All the debate over Ive's contribution (positive or negative)... But I am certain of one thing: He had little or nothing to do with one thing that has set Apple head and shoulders above all else: The Apple wraparound ecosystem that has evolved into a marvel of engineering. And weirdly, that has made Apple what Job's hated most: The IBM of the 21st century (where "Nobody ever got fired for buying Apple"). Where Apple is no longer the bleeding edge innovative leader, but the solid, dependable rock that you can depend on because you know you're getting a quality product backed by a quality organization. ... I can only wonder if there was a single visionary behind that, or if it just sort of happened that way...
But then, maybe he did have something to do with that: Perhaps it evolved out of the example he set of putting thoughtful quality into every detail of every product and making every product a joy to use.
God I so hope Apple does't use aluminum cases on its handheld devices. I know its sleek and stylish but god damn is it slippery. I honestly don't know how anyone uses any Apple handheld device with an aluminum rear housing. When I had my iPhone 6s, it would drop it 100x a day from simply just slipping out of my hands.
All of Apple's hardware is made for consumer market (pro-sumer) so yes design is half the battle to get someone to buy an Apple product. The yearly cycle of "new models" with incremental improvements to features which for the most part are software enabled makes sense however new colors, glass vs metal backs on iPhones, a slightly better camera lens is just not interesting enough an evolution in the function part of Apple's industrial design. Remember landmark design introductions like the bubble iMac, the sunflower iMac, and the present form aluminum iMac. There were failures along the way too, the G4 Cube and the recent "trash can" Mac Pro. When Apple goes for "cool" it usually produces a sub par piece of tech. Ivy's best work has considered human use and interaction with technology. It will be interesting to see if there is a noticeable shift in Apple's industrial design going forward or if white usb cords and chargers will be around until 2020.
Well, one thing's for sure: No more glass backs. It'll be back to AlooMINium...
All the debate over Ive's contribution (positive or negative)... But I am certain of one thing: He had little or nothing to do with one thing that has set Apple head and shoulders above all else: The Apple wraparound ecosystem that has evolved into a marvel of engineering. And weirdly, that has made Apple what Job's hated most: The IBM of the 21st century (where "Nobody ever got fired for buying Apple"). Where Apple is no longer the bleeding edge innovative leader, but the solid, dependable rock that you can depend on because you know you're getting a quality product backed by a quality organization. ... I can only wonder if there was a single visionary behind that, or if it just sort of happened that way...
But then, maybe he did have something to do with that: Perhaps it evolved out of the example he set of putting thoughtful quality into every detail of every product and making every product a joy to use.
God I so hope Apple does't use aluminum cases on its handheld devices. I know its sleek and stylish but god damn is it slippery. I honestly don't know how anyone uses any Apple handheld device with an aluminum rear housing. When I had my iPhone 6s, it would drop it 100x a day from simply just slipping out of my hands.
Soooo glad to hear this. The hardware designs have taken s step back in some ways.
And Ive Revolutionized iOS with a perfect minimalist UI THAT WAS THOROUGH.
THE current iteration can use a thorough going over. Keep it minimal and consistent.
I was thinking when Ive got involved was when it went downhill.
Downhill? Ive’s interface is the best one for Retina displays. The old one was too cumbersome and heavy, not suitable to high resolution. No need to discuss that after so many iOS versions. It has just proven itself.
Every few years it seems that Apple comes out with a new UI design on the iPhone then they spend the next couple year doing little corrections to make things look and work better. I figure things will be the same with ios11 which has 3 flavors (iPad, iPhone 8 and below, and iPhone X). Love the iOS 11 on the iPad.
Bad news for software. He should not have influence over software.
I think I remember that he was in charge of the UI design not the actual software functionality. Personally, I am not a big fan of tiny, thin gray fonts on a slightly different shade of gray background. Too hard to read, especially outdoors in sunlight. It might be pleasing to his design sensibilities but it is not very practical in my opinion.
Unfortunately you can't have one without the other. Just got iOS 11 on anew iPhone 8plus and I hate the redesigned podcastbapp,
You want that stupid reel to reel tape player back?
No but it needs expandable storage, but not SD cards, I'm talking punch cards & reader.
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And, when you have a popular growing product-line, people might still be buying it even with an inferior UI.
There is a ***HUGE*** in-between area in UI design when we're talking skeuomorphic felt and fake wood vs flat, white with some minimal text that might or might not be buttons, and non-descript B&W icons.
When it comes to the Podcast app especially - but as a general UI design principle - the problem isn't just a matter of change and some people's resistance to it. There actually is such a thing as good design and bad design. It isn't purely subjective. Also, they destroyed a bunch of actual functionality, which can be quite objectively evaluated.
There's a difference between know-nothing speculators who just said... 'Well, Jobs is dead so it's all over for Apple now.' or 'It's been a year, and no next big thing, so it's all over.' and people like myself - who actually criticized those people! - and who have closely followed Apple for 30+ years and have noticed a distinct change in how they are operating, and are concerned. (And, who are saying that Apple could run another 10 years even if they screw nearly everything up.)
Yes, I agree that it was ahead of its time in terms of font-weight and such given all the people who weren't on Retina yet, etc. But, I'm talking about other UI aspects. It's not that it isn't pretty enough. The problem is more too many non-descript icons or places of action, or things like stripping the color out. For example, if you create a row of icons where one has color and the other is black and white, the color one is superior because it is much quicker to recognize the red delete icon from the green send icon, etc. The look of the design and the functionality are sometimes a balance game. Ive went to an extreme, and not a good one in terms of UX/UI design.
Are people getting used to it? Yes, but that's besides the point. People can get used to a really horrible UI. Apple's principal on UI, though, was always that it should be as usable as possible to a brand new user, while still being powerful for the advanced user. They've been breaking that in tons of ways, from visual to operation to inconsistency.
Look, I haven't even used the new iOS 11 Podcast app yet, because I switched to Overcast.
But, I follow several of the world's top podcast experts including Rob Walch of Libsyn and Today in iOS fame... and they are all complaining about the new Podcast app being kind of a train-wreck and missing basic functionality.
It's one thing to make a mistake or not quite get it right (and then adjust based on testing or feedback). It's quite another to re-design something that fundamentally misses the mark. The people working on the Podcast app should at least be familiar with podcasting and use of a podcast app. It's quite clear they weren't. (From the description, my guess would be Apple Music people worked on it.)
http://www.mysanantonio.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Apple-s-head-designer-Jony-Ive-says-he-hears-12401864.php
"Absolutely, all of your feelings and feedback around the MacBook you use, we couldn't want to listen to more," Ive said earlier this week in Washington DC. "And we hear — boy, do we hear."
Looks like we complainers aren't just a few cranky Mac-haters after all, and at least Ive is acknowledging that.
Apple is good at design, where it needs help is coding. IOS 11 is buggy as hell.
Agreed. Ive made iOS much better, not only visbly, but in the way it functioned. Further, simplifying the design also used less system resources. Prior to him taking over, the OS was cluttered, busy, and inconsistent.
All the debate over Ive's contribution (positive or negative)... But I am certain of one thing: He had little or nothing to do with one thing that has set Apple head and shoulders above all else: The Apple wraparound ecosystem that has evolved into a marvel of engineering. And weirdly, that has made Apple what Job's hated most: The IBM of the 21st century (where "Nobody ever got fired for buying Apple"). Where Apple is no longer the bleeding edge innovative leader, but the solid, dependable rock that you can depend on because you know you're getting a quality product backed by a quality organization.
... I can only wonder if there was a single visionary behind that, or if it just sort of happened that way...
But then, maybe he did have something to do with that: Perhaps it evolved out of the example he set of putting thoughtful quality into every detail of every product and making every product a joy to use.