I find it appalling that a company with a product like Android that has the largest security problems in the industry and the largest number of exposed users would focus any resources on finding ways to hack a competitor and partner for search and other services. Then to release them and put my devices at risk like they leave there’s is irresponsible! This is why I don’t use them for anything. They can not be trusted. Period!
You know that a large part of their mobile revenue comes from iOS right? They aren't just a competitor but also a partner. Look at the most popular iOS apps - plenty of them are from Google. Of course they want to push security forward, on their platform and on that of their partners.
There are absolutely no valid reasons for anyone to refuse to update.
I waited until 11.2 to upgrade my iPhone 6 and I now regret it. The phone is now so slow as to be barely usable. Launching apps takes 20 seconds and pressing UI controls within apps takes 5-10 seconds to register. The keyboard is often several seconds behind my typing.
Another example of why users of any platform should always keep their devices and software up to date as much as possible. There are absolutely no valid reasons for anyone to refuse to update. And for those who refuse, well, you get what you get and have only yourself to blame.
According to you, I have to upgrade my iPad Air with iOS 10 (having passable performance) to iOS 11, make it damn slow, unusable and throw it to dustbin because it has become unusable!!! Sounds just about right???????
These are some of the same people who argued that 1GB RAM in iOS devices was just fine. That selling iPhones with 8GB storage was just fine.
i have a 2nd Gen iPad Pro. I love all the feature changes with iOS 11 but iOS 10 definitely ran better on my device. My mother has an iPad mini 3 which she always updates to the latest software. The device is incredibly slow, lag is incredibly bad. I think there are perfectly fine reason for choosing not to upgrade. If there is a major security issue Apple should offer a patch to people still running the previous years software. Like when they broke FaceTime and fixed it for devices that couldn’t update to iOS 7. There’s got to be a way they can push out critical security updates to devices that aren’t yet on the latest software.
There are absolutely no valid reasons for anyone to refuse to update.
I waited until 11.2 to upgrade my iPhone 6 and I now regret it. The phone is now so slow as to be barely usable. Launching apps takes 20 seconds and pressing UI controls within apps takes 5-10 seconds to register. The keyboard is often several seconds behind my typing.
I've been on 11.x since its release. My 6+ initially slowed considerably and the battery drained quickly. That has slowly but steadily been improving. I suspect part of the improvement is due to updates to the OS but much of it is due to improvements in the specific apps. At this point, my phone is probably within 90% of where it was -- maybe 95%. ... Make sure all of your apps are updated to current levels. That might help.
Another example of why users of any platform should always keep their devices and software up to date as much as possible. There are absolutely no valid reasons for anyone to refuse to update. And for those who refuse, well, you get what you get and have only yourself to blame.
According to you, I have to upgrade my iPad Air with iOS 10 (having passable performance) to iOS 11, make it damn slow, unusable and throw it to dustbin because it has become unusable!!! Sounds just about right???????
These are some of the same people who argued that 1GB RAM in iOS devices was just fine. That selling iPhones with 8GB storage was just fine.
i have a 2nd Gen iPad Pro. I love all the feature changes with iOS 11 but iOS 10 definitely ran better on my device. My mother has an iPad mini 3 which she always updates to the latest software. The device is incredibly slow, lag is incredibly bad. I think there are perfectly fine reason for choosing not to upgrade. If there is a major security issue Apple should offer a patch to people still running the previous years software. Like when they broke FaceTime and fixed it for devices that couldn’t update to iOS 7. There’s got to be a way they can push out critical security updates to devices that aren’t yet on the latest software.
Both I and my grandson use iPad Mini 2's. Neither of use have seen any noticeable deterioration in performance under IOS 11.
Which, ironically I find amazing -- because I have seen significant degradation in my newer iPhone 6+ with its A8 processor. The degradation has much improved, but... Weird that an iPad running an A7 would see less degradation than a phone running an A8.
There are absolutely no valid reasons for anyone to refuse to update.
Given the reasons I've seen posted in this thread, and many others, your claim has been demonstrated to be false. You're going to have to provide a pile of evidence to substantiate this claim in order to change anyone's mind.
Apple engineers will be using this product also. As it is, one spends 20% writing code, 80% testing code. Another tool to use for testing is not a bad thing.
...Then to release them and put my devices at risk...
In order to be at risk you would have to plug your device into a computer running the tfp0 tool whenever you boot it and then let someone have physical possession of your device. Not a lot of risk at this point since the hack requires deliberate and intentional actions on your part. Not to say that others won't use the exploit to find other bugs, but that is the purpose of the Project Zero program - find bugs. In the long run you may very well benefit from this work.
I find it appalling that a company with a product like Android that has the largest security problems in the industry and the largest number of exposed users would focus any resources on finding ways to hack a competitor and partner for search and other services. Then to release them and put my devices at risk like they leave there’s is irresponsible! This is why I don’t use them for anything. They can not be trusted. Period!
Actually, what you hate is that Google developed Android in the first place because you want Apple to have a monopoly in mobile devices, resulting in decreased choice for consumers and less innovation in tech overall. Which means that you would be happy still using the iPhone 5, iPad Air and last-generation Apple TV, as all the meaningful updates to iOS devices since then are thanks to Google, Samsung and company.
But alas, while Android is very important to Google for the purposes of keeping Microsoft at bay - because Microsoft would probably own Google by now had it not been for Android with Microsoft funneling money to Yahoo as a sham to keep the antitrust hounds at bay - unlike Apple for whom iOS is their main revenue producer and mindshare driver by far, Android is not Google's main business. Applications and services are, and Google provides them on nearly all platforms: iOS, macOS, Windows, Linux (most major distros), Android, Tizen, even the various smart TV operating systems. So instead of merely being concerned with their own platform, Google needs their army of engineers and programmers pre-occupied with security, usability and other issues on practically every commercially viable one. Otherwise they would need to rely on - for example - Apple and Microsoft to identify problems that could potentially affect the Chrome browser and Google Drive on their platforms. Which isn't going to happen. Because A) Apple and Microsoft do not know enough about Chrome and Google Drive to research on Google's behalf. And as Apple and Microsoft own competing products to Chrome and Google Drive - OneDrive, iCloud, Safari, Internet Explorer/Edge etc. it isn't in their financial interests to. Instead, it is in their interests for Chrome and Google Drive to be as buggy and insecure as possible on their platforms so people will use the Microsoft and Apple products instead. Which would result in a feedback loop. What is a major reason why people buy premium Android smartphones? Because Chrome. Drive, Maps etc. on Android integrate so well with the same apps on iOS, macOS, Windows, wherever. If that ceases to happen, why on earth would you buy an LG V30 or a Moto X? You would instead get an iPhone or a Windows Phone (assuming such things still existed) so you can use those apps instead.
And incidentally, if you think that Microsoft and everybody else who develops applications and services for iOS and macOS aren't doing the same thing - researching bugs and performance issues and publicizing them within their own community when it happens - you are nuts. It is just that no one talks about it when someone else does it. It is only a story when Google does it because everyone despises and likes to trash Google. It is amazing: Google is now more hated than Microsoft, Comcast, Oracle, IBM, Facebook and the cell phone companies, and is now rivaling tobacco and oil companies in public disdain. Oh well.
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i have a 2nd Gen iPad Pro. I love all the feature changes with iOS 11 but iOS 10 definitely ran better on my device. My mother has an iPad mini 3 which she always updates to the latest software. The device is incredibly slow, lag is incredibly bad. I think there are perfectly fine reason for choosing not to upgrade. If there is a major security issue Apple should offer a patch to people still running the previous years software. Like when they broke FaceTime and fixed it for devices that couldn’t update to iOS 7. There’s got to be a way they can push out critical security updates to devices that aren’t yet on the latest software.
... Make sure all of your apps are updated to current levels. That might help.
Which, ironically I find amazing -- because I have seen significant degradation in my newer iPhone 6+ with its A8 processor. The degradation has much improved, but... Weird that an iPad running an A7 would see less degradation than a phone running an A8.
Given the reasons I've seen posted in this thread, and many others, your claim has been demonstrated to be false. You're going to have to provide a pile of evidence to substantiate this claim in order to change anyone's mind.
But alas, while Android is very important to Google for the purposes of keeping Microsoft at bay - because Microsoft would probably own Google by now had it not been for Android with Microsoft funneling money to Yahoo as a sham to keep the antitrust hounds at bay - unlike Apple for whom iOS is their main revenue producer and mindshare driver by far, Android is not Google's main business. Applications and services are, and Google provides them on nearly all platforms: iOS, macOS, Windows, Linux (most major distros), Android, Tizen, even the various smart TV operating systems. So instead of merely being concerned with their own platform, Google needs their army of engineers and programmers pre-occupied with security, usability and other issues on practically every commercially viable one. Otherwise they would need to rely on - for example - Apple and Microsoft to identify problems that could potentially affect the Chrome browser and Google Drive on their platforms. Which isn't going to happen. Because A) Apple and Microsoft do not know enough about Chrome and Google Drive to research on Google's behalf. And
And incidentally, if you think that Microsoft and everybody else who develops applications and services for iOS and macOS aren't doing the same thing - researching bugs and performance issues and publicizing them within their own community when it happens - you are nuts. It is just that no one talks about it when someone else does it. It is only a story when Google does it because everyone despises and likes to trash Google. It is amazing: Google is now more hated than Microsoft, Comcast, Oracle, IBM, Facebook and the cell phone companies, and is now rivaling tobacco and oil companies in public disdain. Oh well.