fastasleep said: ... And how do you know anything about the heat/performance management being questionable, after the initial hands-on reports have indicated no such heat problem and excellent performance? Do you think they'd fully admit they designed themselves into a thermal corner with the MP and then turn around and make the exact same mistake again?
I only saw one mention of heat in one of the initial reviews, and they indicated they would have to come back to that in a part-2. The iMac design doesn't seem like it would handle a ton of heat very well, and apparently they've down-clocked the GPU to produce less heat. That tells me they don't have a ton of margin (so, they are sort of painted into a corner, in a similar way as the cylinder).
And... a number of other Apple products don't have adequate cooling and aren't meant for 24x7 type full-out type work. We'll need to hear about this in regard to the iMac Pro... not just assume it.
“Schiller claims that Apple "learned over the last few years" the "depth and love" that the Mac platform has by pro users.”
Why only recently have they come to understand this? This is surprising to me, having worked in video post at a time when Mac devotion was at it’s highest level. I thought for sure they understood how much we love and demand Macs. Better late than never I guess.
Translation: "we were going to abandon that market, but recently realized it was a mistake"
Well, the important thing is that they realised it was a mistake and learnt from it.
They didn't act like the RIM guys - "It's ok. We'll be fine".
Apple are way more interested in creating content than supporting pro users. Phill Schiller is Tim Cook's Kellyanne Conway. Jony Ive is dead weight. It's shocking that Eddie Cue is employed anywhere.
Thank god for Craig Federighi, who's holding it down for us.
Why is the iMac Pro NOT suited to these uses? Real question.
The main reason I think that the iMac Pro is better suited for indie work or TV commercials is because they are often edited by a single person. In Hollywood production studios, there are teams of editors, 3D effects, color graders, compositors as well as render farms. For the most part they prefer a unified platform with multiple copies of the same software. By in large they have standardized on Windows. Not to say the iMac Pro wouldn't do a fine job at the same tasks, it just isn't the standard in today's professional video workflow.
cgWerks said: Hmm, didn't know about the EU & fan thing. I always thought it was a pretty good design. Far better than most anything Windows builders were doing. And, comperable or better than the server-level stuff HP, etc were building. But, my point is that if you aren't trying to do something outlandish, the resources required wouldn't be all that crazy. As cool as the cylinder Mac Pro was, it wasn't really necessary to make it quite that small. True pros don't really care if they have something the size of the 'cheese grater' sitting under their desk.
I actually like the high end HP server grade towers quite a bit. Dual hot swappable power supplies, internal backup battery. They have pretty solid cases and they are much easier to work inside than the original Mac Pro. Also with regard to having the computer under the desk, I don't like that at all. Most of the time I leave the computer turned on when I leave at night so I can log in from home if necessary. With it under the desk, when the janitorial staff comes in they are vacuuming or mopping the floor and the computer fans can suck in the moisture, dust and dirt being that close to the floor.
bestkeptsecret said: Well, the important thing is that they realised it was a mistake and learnt from it. They didn't act like the RIM guys - "It's ok. We'll be fine".
Yes, if they truly did learn from it, I'll be quite happy. We'll see.
volcan said: Also with regard to having the computer under the desk, I don't like that at all. Most of the time I leave the computer turned on when I leave at night so I can log in from home if necessary. With it under the desk, when the janitorial staff comes in they are vacuuming or mopping the floor and the computer fans can suck in the moisture, dust and dirt being that close to the floor.
Fair point. I guess I more meant that they don't care so much about the size or that it's a super-pretty object. If it can be those things without too much sacrifice, then sure. But, the cylinder seemed to be driven by the small/pretty thing as primary w/o properly taking into account real-world needs.
Delays and software glitches seem to be increasing at Apple. Innovations are coming more slowly. Apple's quality goals are an increasingly tired excuse, and "integration" seems to be the next excuse.
I have an iPhone 5 and was looking forward to the new iPhone releases. The iPhone 8 would work fine for me but I couldn't bring myself to shell out the big bucks for something that looks not much different. (Someone tell Jon Ive at least some of his ideas are not precious enough to hold onto for five+ years!) The iPhone X was more like it but I'll wait another year (if there are no delays) in the hope of less expensive models.
As consumers I’m not sure that we can understand the challenges that face Apple. Apple has to build top-end phones at a scale that other manufacturers just don’t match. Maintaining quality while selling phones in the hundreds of millions.
frost_0ne said: As consumers I’m not sure that we can understand the challenges that face Apple. Apple has to build top-end phones at a scale that other manufacturers just don’t match. Maintaining quality while selling phones in the hundreds of millions.
Yes, it's a scale problem... but they also have more money than anyone to address and a LOT of people. If they can't scale w/o solving some of these problems, they aren't going to make it.
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And... a number of other Apple products don't have adequate cooling and aren't meant for 24x7 type full-out type work. We'll need to hear about this in regard to the iMac Pro... not just assume it.
Well, the important thing is that they realised it was a mistake and learnt from it.
They didn't act like the RIM guys - "It's ok. We'll be fine".
Fair point. I guess I more meant that they don't care so much about the size or that it's a super-pretty object. If it can be those things without too much sacrifice, then sure. But, the cylinder seemed to be driven by the small/pretty thing as primary w/o properly taking into account real-world needs.