If they knew the thin battery in the 6/6s had a design flaw why did they not make the 7 or 8 thicker? Is it because Apple is too obsessed with making the devices thin?
1) I have no idea what you mean by thin batteries having a design flaw that a thick battery doesn't but I can say you absolutely don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
2) If you actually paid attention you'd notice that Apple has increased the thickness of their devices many, many times in recent years, which obliterates all your "obsessed about thinness" bullshit.
You might have noticed he asked a question rather than cursing at him. Would a larger battery have lasted longer? That is a legitimate question.
Apple is suggesting the newer phones (either because of the software update, or hardware decisions) won’t have this issue.
I am wondering how long the IPhone 8’s battery is expected to last... it’s relevant when deciding to get the extended warranty.
Perhaps appleinsider can follow up on that. Is AppleCare worth it?
he wasn't asking a question, he was trolling.
Apple care is worth it for phones simply because phones take a lot of abuse but it's still a personal decision.
These consumer/Attorneys had nothing better to do but watch a thing like this. Apple have top notch legal teams you know, do you think they will just seat around?? These consumers and thier Attorneys should be banned from buying iPhone who thinks batteries are forever. Apple should have these done transparently BUT its done and to tell you I have 5 iphones in my family and have not had notices any slowdowns...they just keep on rocking
Apple should really make $29 the permanent price for replacing the batteries.
Why? Can you explain how it benefits Apple to, say, have a 10 year old iPhone (or a 6 year old iPad, 17 year old iPod or a 26 year old Powerbook) that gets a battery replacement for $29? Do you know who would end up paying for this massive loss leader that would allow for a $29 permanent price for replacing batteries?" The customer pays for it through higher costs of new devices to make up for the entitled assholes that think that the iPhone they bought in 2007 should still work the same today and any time in the future because they're cheap and selfish.
And you think $80 is justified? As I replied to another poster, most Lithium Ion battery batteries that size are usually $10 at stores, so Apple probably gets it cheaper. Labor might be $5 a phone assuming you pay the guy $20 a hour and he can fix 4 an hour. That's huge markup for when it was priced at $80. No way they are losing any money at $29.
Also, if a person still wants to use an old phone, that should be their decision. Tons of people still use computer with WinXP and that is 15 years old....security risks and all....
Are you seriously that ignorant about basic battery technology or are you just trolling? I can by 8 AA batteries at the Dollar Store for $1 but they don't last as long as more expensive AA batteries from reputable sources and brands. I've also seen countless cheap batteries—even from Amazon—that stated a specific mAh, and have a specific mAh upon original testing but then the cells quickly degrade and stop working—or worse!—after just a few charges. Then there's the constantly cases of knock off and cheap PSUs and 12V cig lighter USB-A adapters, and power cables you can buy that frequently cause fires and even result in deaths… but according to you these are all just as good as Apple is just being a greedy piece of shit company.
Is it really that hard to do a 5 seconds of research and contemplation before you post?
I actually gave a breakdown. You have not. You still haven't said what justifies $80? Yeah, just go to sites like Battery.com to see the price of Lithium Ion batteries for cell phones. Obviously they are charging my $5-10 more for Apple because they can, not because Apple is an different says Samsung. Still no where close to $80.
Why are you comparing Apple’s prices to battery.com? There is no basis of comparison for someone that understands battery technology.
Just saying Lithium Ion is nothing new. You just need the right amps and voltage in the right form factor..........apparently the form factor is high cost? Come on...
If they knew the thin battery in the 6/6s had a design flaw why did they not make the 7 or 8 thicker? Is it because Apple is too obsessed with making the devices thin?
1) I have no idea what you mean by thin batteries having a design flaw that a thick battery doesn't but I can say you absolutely don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
2) If you actually paid attention you'd notice that Apple has increased the thickness of their devices many, many times in recent years, which obliterates all your "obsessed about thinness" bullshit.
You might have noticed he asked a question rather than cursing at him. Would a larger battery have lasted longer? That is a legitimate question.
Apple is suggesting the newer phones (either because of the software update, or hardware decisions) won’t have this issue.
I am wondering how long the IPhone 8’s battery is expected to last... it’s relevant when deciding to get the extended warranty.
Perhaps appleinsider can follow up on that. Is AppleCare worth it?
he wasn't asking a question, he was trolling.
Apple care is worth it for phones simply because phones take a lot of abuse but it's still a personal decision.
I'd take into consideration your personal history with phones. Do you have bad luck or tend to break them? I've used an iPhone for the last 10 years and never broke one. Until now. I got a little crack on my 8+ within a week of getting it. And the day after I put it in a protective case. The crack is small enough and on the edge so I'll just leave it be until it gets worse or I want to sell it. My older daughter breaks a screen every year pretty much. I fix it myself but if I couldn't do that, I would certainly get her AppleCare. The price is a only a bit more than a screen replacement. from Apple, or about 2-4x the cost of parts if you'll do it yourself. Wife and other daughter never break anything.
I concur with MustSeeUHDTV. The designs we all loved came at that one very annoying aspect...no DIY battery maintenance. The sad fact is now it has bitten Apple in the butt, and they have to do something to make the lifetime of their products survive post-warranty (AppleCare+ 2 year) periods. Or, for some countries even longer. Slowing down the device (and therefore the performance...noticeably or not to the consumer) so the battery is pampered has ignited in their face. Consumers (with troves of lawyers) jumped all over this within hours of Apple's announcement last week. Those lawsuits will continue building. This will put AntennaGate to shame in magnitude.
I guess you haven't even bothered to read Apple's official explanation / apology letters, because your commentary is that of someone who is completely ignorant and full of shit.
All Apple sites are now LITTERED with the garbage being spewed about by people like you, who don't know JACK SHIT about Apple actually did, but are trying to fan the flames of this pitchfork mentality against them, holy christ just crawl back into the redneck corner you crawled out from!
Apple should really make $29 the permanent price for replacing the batteries.
How much do you attribute to the cost of the battery, profit on the battery, and the cost and profit on the labor?
Most Lithium Ion battery batteries that size are usually $10 at stores, so Apple probably gets cheaper due to volume. The issue is probably labor, but that might be around slightly above minimum wage. Say a tech can change 4 batteries in 1 hour and he is earning $20 a hour. That's $5 per phone. $15 might be their cost and $14 profit. Charging $80 is too much.
Oh we have a qualifier for the Darwin Awards here ladies and gentlemen!!!
Apple should really make $29 the permanent price for replacing the batteries.
Why? Can you explain how it benefits Apple to, say, have a 10 year old iPhone (or a 6 year old iPad, 17 year old iPod or a 26 year old Powerbook) that gets a battery replacement for $29? Do you know who would end up paying for this massive loss leader that would allow for a $29 permanent price for replacing batteries?" The customer pays for it through higher costs of new devices to make up for the entitled assholes that think that the iPhone they bought in 2007 should still work the same today and any time in the future because they're cheap and selfish.
And you think $80 is justified? As I replied to another poster, most Lithium Ion battery batteries that size are usually $10 at stores, so Apple probably gets it cheaper. Labor might be $5 a phone assuming you pay the guy $20 a hour and he can fix 4 an hour. That's huge markup for when it was priced at $80. No way they are losing any money at $29.
Also, if a person still wants to use an old phone, that should be their decision. Tons of people still use computer with WinXP and that is 15 years old....security risks and all....
Are you seriously that ignorant about basic battery technology or are you just trolling? I can by 8 AA batteries at the Dollar Store for $1 but they don't last as long as more expensive AA batteries from reputable sources and brands. I've also seen countless cheap batteries—even from Amazon—that stated a specific mAh, and have a specific mAh upon original testing but then the cells quickly degrade and stop working—or worse!—after just a few charges. Then there's the constantly cases of knock off and cheap PSUs and 12V cig lighter USB-A adapters, and power cables you can buy that frequently cause fires and even result in deaths… but according to you these are all just as good as Apple is just being a greedy piece of shit company.
Is it really that hard to do a 5 seconds of research and contemplation before you post?
I actually gave a breakdown. You have not. You still haven't said what justifies $80? Yeah, just go to sites like Battery.com to see the price of Lithium Ion batteries for cell phones. Obviously they are charging my $5-10 more for Apple because they can, not because Apple is an different says Samsung. Still no where close to $80.
Why are you comparing Apple’s prices to battery.com? There is no basis of comparison for someone that understands battery technology.
Just saying Lithium Ion is nothing new. You just need the right amps and voltage in the right form factor..........apparently the form factor is high cost? Come on...
And this just proves how clueless you are, thank you.
I'm not sure what the French prosecutors are arguing. I was of the belief Apple are not making older models obsolete but using software to prolong the life of a dying battery. I would far rather have a slower iPhone (I don't think for a moment you or the call recipients' voices slow and pitch drops when using the iPhone as...gasps...a phone) than one which suddenly shuts itself off when the battery is low.
If they knew the thin battery in the 6/6s had a design flaw why did they not make the 7 or 8 thicker? Is it because Apple is too obsessed with making the devices thin?
What design flaw? Batteries aging and using up their chemistry is not a design flaw. It's what we call "physics".
Does your car have a design flaw because you'll eventually have to replace its battery as well in order to maintain peak power draw?
Its a design flaw because no iphone had unexpected shutdowns until the thinner 6 on iOS 10.2 where the new software went beyond the limits of the design
Nice try.... But no... Weak, worn out batteries fail at unforseen times. It's physics. It's not, as much as you want it to be, a "design flaw". Sorry. Go home.
It is a design flaw when batteries fail at higher rates that expected. Apple has been pushing the envelope in processor performance, and that exceeded advances in battery technology. As a result the batteries have been failing at a higher than normal, and Apple has been forced to throttle performance to extend the life of the phone.
Blaming it on “physics” is a cop out, the same way saying “that’s what way God intended” is.
For example, if you buy a truck a the tires ware out at 25 thousand miles, and they were expected to last 50 thousand. It’s very likely the manufacture spec’d out the wrong tires. When you expanded this out to the 50,000 sold and people are seeing the same thing on average, the manufacturer messed up. They’d be expected to compensate owners the same way Apple is...
It’s fine Apple messed up. They’re making it right with IPhone owners, and making sure it doesn’t happen again. Batteries are still going to fail, but they’re going to fail at expected rates. And, not blindside IPhone owners.
So, because a battery wore out before YOU thought it should, you get to declare this a "Defective Battery"?
If they knew the thin battery in the 6/6s had a design flaw why did they not make the 7 or 8 thicker? Is it because Apple is too obsessed with making the devices thin?
1) I have no idea what you mean by thin batteries having a design flaw that a thick battery doesn't but I can say you absolutely don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
2) If you actually paid attention you'd notice that Apple has increased the thickness of their devices many, many times in recent years, which obliterates all your "obsessed about thinness" bullshit.
You might have noticed he asked a question rather than cursing at him. Would a larger battery have lasted longer? That is a legitimate question.
Apple is suggesting the newer phones (either because of the software update, or hardware decisions) won’t have this issue.
I am wondering how long the IPhone 8’s battery is expected to last... it’s relevant when deciding to get the extended warranty.
Perhaps appleinsider can follow up on that. Is AppleCare worth it?
1) He's not really asking questions.
2) His comment is that Apple keeps making iPhones thinner when they've actually increased their thickness is a statement… and that's wrong.
iPhone 6 = 0.27" D
iPhone 7 = 0.28" D
iPhone 8 = 0.29" D
iPone 6 Plus = 0.28" D
iPhone 7 Plus = 0.29" D
iPhone 8 Plus = 0.30" D
3) He foolishly makes a claim about the thinness of a battery, not about its volume or its capacity. This batteries are sheets that are wrapped and folded so thicker batteries would have a statistical likelihood of having more issues, not less. Then there's the chemistry involved that caused dendrites to degrade batteries and cause them to eventually short out, as well as impurities, as we see with cheap batteries that are discarded by Apple and most other OEMs because they're both junk and dangerous), and finally other aspects of how power is received through cheap 3rd-party chargers and cables that can further degrade batteries is the internal components of the device can only handle so much in terms fo controlling the power flow which can cause a lot more than just battery health.
4) Apple clearly states that the iPhone batteries should last 500 charge cycles before it reaches 80% of its original capacity. This is not 500 charges; this is 500 complete charge cycles. If you charged your battery every day when it was at 50% it would then be 1000 days of charging before you get to 500 complete charge cycles.
actually it is not linear , always charging at 50% gives you much more than 2x more like 2.5 times, why? because deep charging or discharge tends to damage the anode and cathodes. If you only discharge 25% every day, the battery likely would last 3 x the number of charge cycles (so 500x-800 would turn into 1500 to 1800).
That's why Ipad batteries last longer, they tend to discharge less in percentage and the Ipads tend to stay plugged more often.
If you look at charge curves, you see that the power controller tend to allow the charging the battery very fast over 20% and under 80
If they knew the thin battery in the 6/6s had a design flaw why did they not make the 7 or 8 thicker? Is it because Apple is too obsessed with making the devices thin?
1) I have no idea what you mean by thin batteries having a design flaw that a thick battery doesn't but I can say you absolutely don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
2) If you actually paid attention you'd notice that Apple has increased the thickness of their devices many, many times in recent years, which obliterates all your "obsessed about thinness" bullshit.
You might have noticed he asked a question rather than cursing at him. Would a larger battery have lasted longer? That is a legitimate question.
Apple is suggesting the newer phones (either because of the software update, or hardware decisions) won’t have this issue.
I am wondering how long the IPhone 8’s battery is expected to last... it’s relevant when deciding to get the extended warranty.
Perhaps appleinsider can follow up on that. Is AppleCare worth it?
1) He's not really asking questions.
2) His comment is that Apple keeps making iPhones thinner when they've actually increased their thickness is a statement… and that's wrong.
iPhone 6 = 0.27" D
iPhone 7 = 0.28" D
iPhone 8 = 0.29" D
iPone 6 Plus = 0.28" D
iPhone 7 Plus = 0.29" D
iPhone 8 Plus = 0.30" D
3) He foolishly makes a claim about the thinness of a battery, not about its volume or its capacity. This batteries are sheets that are wrapped and folded so thicker batteries would have a statistical likelihood of having more issues, not less. Then there's the chemistry involved that caused dendrites to degrade batteries and cause them to eventually short out, as well as impurities, as we see with cheap batteries that are discarded by Apple and most other OEMs because they're both junk and dangerous), and finally other aspects of how power is received through cheap 3rd-party chargers and cables that can further degrade batteries is the internal components of the device can only handle so much in terms fo controlling the power flow which can cause a lot more than just battery health.
4) Apple clearly states that the iPhone batteries should last 500 charge cycles before it reaches 80% of its original capacity. This is not 500 charges; this is 500 complete charge cycles. If you charged your battery every day when it was at 50% it would then be 1000 days of charging before you get to 500 complete charge cycles.
actually it is not linear , always charging at 50% gives you much more than 2x more like 2.5 times, why? because deep charging or discharge tends to damage the anode and cathodes. If you only discharge 25% every day, the battery likely would last 3 x the number of charge cycles (so 500x-800 would turn into 1500 to 1800).
That's why Ipad batteries last longer, they tend to discharge less in percentage and the Ipads tend to stay plugged more often.
If you look at charge curves, you see that the power controller tend to allow the charging the battery very fast over 20% and under 80
True or not, at $29 the whole battery life cycle thing becomes a moot point
If they knew the thin battery in the 6/6s had a design flaw why did they not make the 7 or 8 thicker? Is it because Apple is too obsessed with making the devices thin?
1) I have no idea what you mean by thin batteries having a design flaw that a thick battery doesn't but I can say you absolutely don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
2) If you actually paid attention you'd notice that Apple has increased the thickness of their devices many, many times in recent years, which obliterates all your "obsessed about thinness" bullshit.
You might have noticed he asked a question rather than cursing at him. Would a larger battery have lasted longer? That is a legitimate question.
Apple is suggesting the newer phones (either because of the software update, or hardware decisions) won’t have this issue.
I am wondering how long the IPhone 8’s battery is expected to last... it’s relevant when deciding to get the extended warranty.
Perhaps appleinsider can follow up on that. Is AppleCare worth it?
1) He's not really asking questions.
2) His comment is that Apple keeps making iPhones thinner when they've actually increased their thickness is a statement… and that's wrong.
iPhone 6 = 0.27" D
iPhone 7 = 0.28" D
iPhone 8 = 0.29" D
iPone 6 Plus = 0.28" D
iPhone 7 Plus = 0.29" D
iPhone 8 Plus = 0.30" D
3) He foolishly makes a claim about the thinness of a battery, not about its volume or its capacity. This batteries are sheets that are wrapped and folded so thicker batteries would have a statistical likelihood of having more issues, not less. Then there's the chemistry involved that caused dendrites to degrade batteries and cause them to eventually short out, as well as impurities, as we see with cheap batteries that are discarded by Apple and most other OEMs because they're both junk and dangerous), and finally other aspects of how power is received through cheap 3rd-party chargers and cables that can further degrade batteries is the internal components of the device can only handle so much in terms fo controlling the power flow which can cause a lot more than just battery health.
4) Apple clearly states that the iPhone batteries should last 500 charge cycles before it reaches 80% of its original capacity. This is not 500 charges; this is 500 complete charge cycles. If you charged your battery every day when it was at 50% it would then be 1000 days of charging before you get to 500 complete charge cycles.
actually it is not linear , always charging at 50% gives you much more than 2x more like 2.5 times, why? because deep charging or discharge tends to damage the anode and cathodes. If you only discharge 25% every day, the battery likely would last 3 x the number of charge cycles (so 500x-800 would turn into 1500 to 1800).
That's why Ipad batteries last longer, they tend to discharge less in percentage and the Ipads tend to stay plugged more often.
If you look at charge curves, you see that the power controller tend to allow the charging the battery very fast over 20% and under 80
True or not, at $29 the whole battery life cycle thing becomes a moot point
Even at $80, it should already have been for a 2 year old phone, you don't change your phone because you can't poney up $50 bucks more when he resale value of your phone is still $400+ This was essentially a mostly fabricated "scandal" just like antenna gate . Apple also had to give people something then. Apple's sales at that time were much much lower so it didn't get as much play though.
Apple's actions are the opposite of planned obsolescence (French lawsuit).
Apple is extending the usefulness of battery depleted iPhone with their power management techniques.
I think Apple is safe in a reasonable court. Are French courts considered "reasonable?"
Except that it’s likely most iPhone users didn’t know what was slowing down their phone. I’ve seen numerous posts elsewhere of people who bought a new phone but had they known all they needed to do was replace the battery they would have done that instead. Now I don’t think this was intentional planned obsolecense on Apple’s part; it was just poor communication and lack of transparency. Even if these lawsuits go nowhere I think it will take a while for Apple to get the trust back. Hopefully whatever changes are coming to iOS are explained in detail and Apple does plenty of press around it.
If they knew the thin battery in the 6/6s had a design flaw why did they not make the 7 or 8 thicker? Is it because Apple is too obsessed with making the devices thin?
1) I have no idea what you mean by thin batteries having a design flaw that a thick battery doesn't but I can say you absolutely don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
2) If you actually paid attention you'd notice that Apple has increased the thickness of their devices many, many times in recent years, which obliterates all your "obsessed about thinness" bullshit.
You might have noticed he asked a question rather than cursing at him. Would a larger battery have lasted longer? That is a legitimate question.
Apple is suggesting the newer phones (either because of the software update, or hardware decisions) won’t have this issue.
I am wondering how long the IPhone 8’s battery is expected to last... it’s relevant when deciding to get the extended warranty.
Perhaps appleinsider can follow up on that. Is AppleCare worth it?
1) He's not really asking questions.
2) His comment is that Apple keeps making iPhones thinner when they've actually increased their thickness is a statement… and that's wrong.
iPhone 6 = 0.27" D
iPhone 7 = 0.28" D
iPhone 8 = 0.29" D
iPone 6 Plus = 0.28" D
iPhone 7 Plus = 0.29" D
iPhone 8 Plus = 0.30" D
3) He foolishly makes a claim about the thinness of a battery, not about its volume or its capacity. This batteries are sheets that are wrapped and folded so thicker batteries would have a statistical likelihood of having more issues, not less. Then there's the chemistry involved that caused dendrites to degrade batteries and cause them to eventually short out, as well as impurities, as we see with cheap batteries that are discarded by Apple and most other OEMs because they're both junk and dangerous), and finally other aspects of how power is received through cheap 3rd-party chargers and cables that can further degrade batteries is the internal components of the device can only handle so much in terms fo controlling the power flow which can cause a lot more than just battery health.
4) Apple clearly states that the iPhone batteries should last 500 charge cycles before it reaches 80% of its original capacity. This is not 500 charges; this is 500 complete charge cycles. If you charged your battery every day when it was at 50% it would then be 1000 days of charging before you get to 500 complete charge cycles.
actually it is not linear , always charging at 50% gives you much more than 2x more like 2.5 times, why? because deep charging or discharge tends to damage the anode and cathodes. If you only discharge 25% every day, the battery likely would last 3 x the number of charge cycles (so 500x-800 would turn into 1500 to 1800).
That's why Ipad batteries last longer, they tend to discharge less in percentage and the Ipads tend to stay plugged more often.
If you look at charge curves, you see that the power controller tend to allow the charging the battery very fast over 20% and under 80
True or not, at $29 the whole battery life cycle thing becomes a moot point
Even at $80, it should already have been for a 2 year old phone, you don't change your phone because you can't poney up $50 bucks more when he resale value of your phone is still $400+ This was essentially a mostly fabricated "scandal" just like antenna gate . Apple also had to give people something then. Apple's sales at that time were much much lower so it didn't get as much play though.
Resale value of a 2 year of iPhone is nowhere near $400. Trade-in is less than half that. And, most people don't even bother doing that. So, it was put $80 into a 2 year old phone that's getting slow and clunky or invest in the latest and greatest...
No, I think $29 changes the equation as to whether to keep an older phone -- and particularly when it comes to deciding whether or not to swap out an older battery.
If they knew the thin battery in the 6/6s had a design flaw why did they not make the 7 or 8 thicker? Is it because Apple is too obsessed with making the devices thin?
1) I have no idea what you mean by thin batteries having a design flaw that a thick battery doesn't but I can say you absolutely don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
2) If you actually paid attention you'd notice that Apple has increased the thickness of their devices many, many times in recent years, which obliterates all your "obsessed about thinness" bullshit.
You might have noticed he asked a question rather than cursing at him. Would a larger battery have lasted longer? That is a legitimate question.
Apple is suggesting the newer phones (either because of the software update, or hardware decisions) won’t have this issue.
I am wondering how long the IPhone 8’s battery is expected to last... it’s relevant when deciding to get the extended warranty.
Perhaps appleinsider can follow up on that. Is AppleCare worth it?
1) He's not really asking questions.
2) His comment is that Apple keeps making iPhones thinner when they've actually increased their thickness is a statement… and that's wrong.
iPhone 6 = 0.27" D
iPhone 7 = 0.28" D
iPhone 8 = 0.29" D
iPone 6 Plus = 0.28" D
iPhone 7 Plus = 0.29" D
iPhone 8 Plus = 0.30" D
3) He foolishly makes a claim about the thinness of a battery, not about its volume or its capacity. This batteries are sheets that are wrapped and folded so thicker batteries would have a statistical likelihood of having more issues, not less. Then there's the chemistry involved that caused dendrites to degrade batteries and cause them to eventually short out, as well as impurities, as we see with cheap batteries that are discarded by Apple and most other OEMs because they're both junk and dangerous), and finally other aspects of how power is received through cheap 3rd-party chargers and cables that can further degrade batteries is the internal components of the device can only handle so much in terms fo controlling the power flow which can cause a lot more than just battery health.
4) Apple clearly states that the iPhone batteries should last 500 charge cycles before it reaches 80% of its original capacity. This is not 500 charges; this is 500 complete charge cycles. If you charged your battery every day when it was at 50% it would then be 1000 days of charging before you get to 500 complete charge cycles.
actually it is not linear , always charging at 50% gives you much more than 2x more like 2.5 times, why? because deep charging or discharge tends to damage the anode and cathodes. If you only discharge 25% every day, the battery likely would last 3 x the number of charge cycles (so 500x-800 would turn into 1500 to 1800).
That's why Ipad batteries last longer, they tend to discharge less in percentage and the Ipads tend to stay plugged more often.
If you look at charge curves, you see that the power controller tend to allow the charging the battery very fast over 20% and under 80
True or not, at $29 the whole battery life cycle thing becomes a moot point
Even at $80, it should already have been for a 2 year old phone, you don't change your phone because you can't poney up $50 bucks more when he resale value of your phone is still $400+ This was essentially a mostly fabricated "scandal" just like antenna gate . Apple also had to give people something then. Apple's sales at that time were much much lower so it didn't get as much play though.
Resale value of a 2 year of iPhone is nowhere near $400. Trade-in is less than half that. And, most people don't even bother doing that. So, it was put $80 into a 2 year old phone that's getting slow and clunky or invest in the latest and greatest...
No, I think $29 changes the equation as to whether to keep an older phone -- and particularly when it comes to deciding whether or not to swap out an older battery.
It's funny, I just googled and yes, my price was AOK (but in Canadian dollar). Man, i'm tired of people lying to make a point, fracking tired of it. Stop it. Trade in gives terrible value, you knew it yet pull that crap straw man huh.
Here in Canada, on kijiji, the equivalent of craiglist: Iphone 6s 16GB (average) $350 $CAN (near mint including good battery of course) $425 (that's about $290-$340 dollars US) That's more than $100 off from your god damn lot less than $200 dollars pricing in US dollars) (that's a phone that can be up to 2.25 years old now). Iphone 5s in very good condition about $140 US$ (with a very good battery, probably slightly more), Iphone 7 32GB, the lowest price about $550 $CAN for OK ones to $700 to mint condition (so, $400-$520 US dollars). (so, are people throwing away their Iphone 7 hmmm, or changing the battery).
So according to you, people who couldn't be bothered to get their battery replaced to get at a minimum 4 times the cost of their battery in return (if they sell and more than that if they kept it) not to mention the depreciation cost of buying a new phones, will suddenly trot to an Apple store (not just any store, it may be far) , to replace their battery. and that will make "all the difference" (tm)..... And that's if you actually went to Apple for a replacement battery; you could go to other stores and get it done for $40-50 already.
The replacement already was paying for itself handily; there is no real difference on that count. Just a slightly better return.
There are many logical breakdown in your "story" unless in fact, making the battery cheaper won't make a difference at all in how people actually behave (it was never about the battery) and Apple knows this and the $30 buck offer is seen as a good way to placate the online drama queen trolls and the online media echo chamber using this to stir shit up cause... Well, it is Apple and shit talking Apple is in their comfort zones.
Galaxy phones are all half the price of Iphones in general online. Considering a tip top 6s is close to the performance of a current flagship (they're about like the 6s single threaded, that's not surprising).
If they knew the thin battery in the 6/6s had a design flaw why did they not make the 7 or 8 thicker? Is it because Apple is too obsessed with making the devices thin?
1) I have no idea what you mean by thin batteries having a design flaw that a thick battery doesn't but I can say you absolutely don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
2) If you actually paid attention you'd notice that Apple has increased the thickness of their devices many, many times in recent years, which obliterates all your "obsessed about thinness" bullshit.
You might have noticed he asked a question rather than cursing at him. Would a larger battery have lasted longer? That is a legitimate question.
Apple is suggesting the newer phones (either because of the software update, or hardware decisions) won’t have this issue.
I am wondering how long the IPhone 8’s battery is expected to last... it’s relevant when deciding to get the extended warranty.
Perhaps appleinsider can follow up on that. Is AppleCare worth it?
1) He's not really asking questions.
2) His comment is that Apple keeps making iPhones thinner when they've actually increased their thickness is a statement… and that's wrong.
iPhone 6 = 0.27" D
iPhone 7 = 0.28" D
iPhone 8 = 0.29" D
iPone 6 Plus = 0.28" D
iPhone 7 Plus = 0.29" D
iPhone 8 Plus = 0.30" D
3) He foolishly makes a claim about the thinness of a battery, not about its volume or its capacity. This batteries are sheets that are wrapped and folded so thicker batteries would have a statistical likelihood of having more issues, not less. Then there's the chemistry involved that caused dendrites to degrade batteries and cause them to eventually short out, as well as impurities, as we see with cheap batteries that are discarded by Apple and most other OEMs because they're both junk and dangerous), and finally other aspects of how power is received through cheap 3rd-party chargers and cables that can further degrade batteries is the internal components of the device can only handle so much in terms fo controlling the power flow which can cause a lot more than just battery health.
4) Apple clearly states that the iPhone batteries should last 500 charge cycles before it reaches 80% of its original capacity. This is not 500 charges; this is 500 complete charge cycles. If you charged your battery every day when it was at 50% it would then be 1000 days of charging before you get to 500 complete charge cycles.
actually it is not linear , always charging at 50% gives you much more than 2x more like 2.5 times, why? because deep charging or discharge tends to damage the anode and cathodes. If you only discharge 25% every day, the battery likely would last 3 x the number of charge cycles (so 500x-800 would turn into 1500 to 1800).
That's why Ipad batteries last longer, they tend to discharge less in percentage and the Ipads tend to stay plugged more often.
If you look at charge curves, you see that the power controller tend to allow the charging the battery very fast over 20% and under 80
True or not, at $29 the whole battery life cycle thing becomes a moot point
Even at $80, it should already have been for a 2 year old phone, you don't change your phone because you can't poney up $50 bucks more when he resale value of your phone is still $400+ This was essentially a mostly fabricated "scandal" just like antenna gate . Apple also had to give people something then. Apple's sales at that time were much much lower so it didn't get as much play though.
Resale value of a 2 year of iPhone is nowhere near $400. Trade-in is less than half that. And, most people don't even bother doing that. So, it was put $80 into a 2 year old phone that's getting slow and clunky or invest in the latest and greatest...
No, I think $29 changes the equation as to whether to keep an older phone -- and particularly when it comes to deciding whether or not to swap out an older battery.
It's funny, I just googled and yes, my price was AOK (but in Canadian dollar). Man, i'm tired of people lying to make a point, fracking tired of it. Stop it. Trade in gives terrible value, you knew it yet pull that crap straw man huh.
Here in Canada, on kijiji, the equivalent of craiglist: Iphone 6s 16GB (average) $350 $CAN (near mint including good battery of course) $425 (that's about $290-$340 dollars US) That's more than $100 off from your god damn lot less than $200 dollars pricing in US dollars) (that's a phone that can be up to 2.25 years old now). Iphone 5s in very good condition about $140 US$ (with a very good battery, probably slightly more), Iphone 7 32GB, the lowest price about $550 $CAN for OK ones to $700 to mint condition (so, $400-$520 US dollars). (so, are people throwing away their Iphone 7 hmmm, or changing the battery).
So according to you, people who couldn't be bothered to get their battery replaced to get at a minimum 4 times the cost of their battery in return (if they sell and more than that if they kept it) not to mention the depreciation cost of buying a new phones, will suddenly trot to an Apple store (not just any store, it may be far) , to replace their battery. and that will make "all the difference" (tm)..... And that's if you actually went to Apple for a replacement battery; you could go to other stores and get it done for $40-50 already.
The replacement already was paying for itself handily; there is no real difference on that count. Just a slightly better return.
There are many logical breakdown in your "story" unless in fact, making the battery cheaper won't make a difference at all in how people actually behave (it was never about the battery) and Apple knows this and the $30 buck offer is seen as a good way to placate the online drama queen trolls and the online media echo chamber using this to stir shit up cause... Well, it is Apple and shit talking Apple is in their comfort zones.
Galaxy phones are all half the price of Iphones in general online. Considering a tip top 6s is close to the performance of a current flagship (they're about like the 6s single threaded, that's not surprising).
LOL... All you have to do is check trade-in values here on AI -- which is what the majority of people who don't keep or throw away their old phones use.
But instead you use cherry picked cases that few people use to prove a false case.
If they knew the thin battery in the 6/6s had a design flaw why did they not make the 7 or 8 thicker? Is it because Apple is too obsessed with making the devices thin?
1) I have no idea what you mean by thin batteries having a design flaw that a thick battery doesn't but I can say you absolutely don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
2) If you actually paid attention you'd notice that Apple has increased the thickness of their devices many, many times in recent years, which obliterates all your "obsessed about thinness" bullshit.
You might have noticed he asked a question rather than cursing at him. Would a larger battery have lasted longer? That is a legitimate question.
Apple is suggesting the newer phones (either because of the software update, or hardware decisions) won’t have this issue.
I am wondering how long the IPhone 8’s battery is expected to last... it’s relevant when deciding to get the extended warranty.
Perhaps appleinsider can follow up on that. Is AppleCare worth it?
1) He's not really asking questions.
2) His comment is that Apple keeps making iPhones thinner when they've actually increased their thickness is a statement… and that's wrong.
iPhone 6 = 0.27" D
iPhone 7 = 0.28" D
iPhone 8 = 0.29" D
iPone 6 Plus = 0.28" D
iPhone 7 Plus = 0.29" D
iPhone 8 Plus = 0.30" D
3) He foolishly makes a claim about the thinness of a battery, not about its volume or its capacity. This batteries are sheets that are wrapped and folded so thicker batteries would have a statistical likelihood of having more issues, not less. Then there's the chemistry involved that caused dendrites to degrade batteries and cause them to eventually short out, as well as impurities, as we see with cheap batteries that are discarded by Apple and most other OEMs because they're both junk and dangerous), and finally other aspects of how power is received through cheap 3rd-party chargers and cables that can further degrade batteries is the internal components of the device can only handle so much in terms fo controlling the power flow which can cause a lot more than just battery health.
4) Apple clearly states that the iPhone batteries should last 500 charge cycles before it reaches 80% of its original capacity. This is not 500 charges; this is 500 complete charge cycles. If you charged your battery every day when it was at 50% it would then be 1000 days of charging before you get to 500 complete charge cycles.
actually it is not linear , always charging at 50% gives you much more than 2x more like 2.5 times, why? because deep charging or discharge tends to damage the anode and cathodes. If you only discharge 25% every day, the battery likely would last 3 x the number of charge cycles (so 500x-800 would turn into 1500 to 1800).
That's why Ipad batteries last longer, they tend to discharge less in percentage and the Ipads tend to stay plugged more often.
If you look at charge curves, you see that the power controller tend to allow the charging the battery very fast over 20% and under 80
True or not, at $29 the whole battery life cycle thing becomes a moot point
Even at $80, it should already have been for a 2 year old phone, you don't change your phone because you can't poney up $50 bucks more when he resale value of your phone is still $400+ This was essentially a mostly fabricated "scandal" just like antenna gate . Apple also had to give people something then. Apple's sales at that time were much much lower so it didn't get as much play though.
Resale value of a 2 year of iPhone is nowhere near $400. Trade-in is less than half that. And, most people don't even bother doing that. So, it was put $80 into a 2 year old phone that's getting slow and clunky or invest in the latest and greatest...
No, I think $29 changes the equation as to whether to keep an older phone -- and particularly when it comes to deciding whether or not to swap out an older battery.
It's funny, I just googled and yes, my price was AOK (but in Canadian dollar). Man, i'm tired of people lying to make a point, fracking tired of it. Stop it. Trade in gives terrible value, you knew it yet pull that crap straw man huh.
Here in Canada, on kijiji, the equivalent of craiglist: Iphone 6s 16GB (average) $350 $CAN (near mint including good battery of course) $425 (that's about $290-$340 dollars US) That's more than $100 off from your god damn lot less than $200 dollars pricing in US dollars) (that's a phone that can be up to 2.25 years old now). Iphone 5s in very good condition about $140 US$ (with a very good battery, probably slightly more), Iphone 7 32GB, the lowest price about $550 $CAN for OK ones to $700 to mint condition (so, $400-$520 US dollars). (so, are people throwing away their Iphone 7 hmmm, or changing the battery).
So according to you, people who couldn't be bothered to get their battery replaced to get at a minimum 4 times the cost of their battery in return (if they sell and more than that if they kept it) not to mention the depreciation cost of buying a new phones, will suddenly trot to an Apple store (not just any store, it may be far) , to replace their battery. and that will make "all the difference" (tm)..... And that's if you actually went to Apple for a replacement battery; you could go to other stores and get it done for $40-50 already.
The replacement already was paying for itself handily; there is no real difference on that count. Just a slightly better return.
There are many logical breakdown in your "story" unless in fact, making the battery cheaper won't make a difference at all in how people actually behave (it was never about the battery) and Apple knows this and the $30 buck offer is seen as a good way to placate the online drama queen trolls and the online media echo chamber using this to stir shit up cause... Well, it is Apple and shit talking Apple is in their comfort zones.
Galaxy phones are all half the price of Iphones in general online. Considering a tip top 6s is close to the performance of a current flagship (they're about like the 6s single threaded, that's not surprising).
LOL... All you have to do is check trade-in values here on AI -- which is what the majority of people who don't keep or throw away their old phones use.
But instead you use cherry picked cases that few people use to prove a false case.
LOL yourself buddy, you just lost your so called argument. I don't give a crap what you claim "people are doing" or that you THINK I've been "cherry picking" ( I've averaged out dozens of current local posts on the open market in Montreal out of hundreds similar ones and stated the highest and lowest price, that's the opposite of cherry picking). It's just more goalpost moving on your part.
You can look it yourself on kijiji montreal or are you too chickenshit to actually do any work except a hand waving "LOL".
Nobody's really changing their expensive phone after two years for an even more expensive one uniquely because a battery cost $80, that's not the only factor at work.
Trade in value is always the worse price and claiming most people use that is YOUR CLAIM and even if it ever were true still doesn't change the crux of the god damn argument, the phones are still worth getting the battery replaced especially if you also consider the replacement cost for your current phone (you do remember there was 2 part to my cost argument)..
Also, If someone is ready to trade off convenience and speed to get less money, well it is on them. You can also trade in your car, but that doesn't mean that's the best thing to do instead of selling it yourself. It's easier, but doesn't change the actual book value of the car. If someone doesn't care to lose 50% more on their phone's value because its more convenient for them to do so they then can't whine that the battery price was an obstacle to changing it and keeping the phone.
It is possible that people are too lazy to go and do this change (people going trade in and losing value on their phone tells you lazyness is a factor) and because they often finance it, not really realize that they would indeed be saving money because their bad at finance and hey getting a new phone is only X per month (so why spend 2X to fix it).
That they have a bad evaluation of cost because roll in prices seem to them lower than up front ones (like changing the battery) undoubtedly skews their decision away from their best interest.
If they knew the thin battery in the 6/6s had a design flaw why did they not make the 7 or 8 thicker? Is it because Apple is too obsessed with making the devices thin?
1) I have no idea what you mean by thin batteries having a design flaw that a thick battery doesn't but I can say you absolutely don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
2) If you actually paid attention you'd notice that Apple has increased the thickness of their devices many, many times in recent years, which obliterates all your "obsessed about thinness" bullshit.
You might have noticed he asked a question rather than cursing at him. Would a larger battery have lasted longer? That is a legitimate question.
Apple is suggesting the newer phones (either because of the software update, or hardware decisions) won’t have this issue.
I am wondering how long the IPhone 8’s battery is expected to last... it’s relevant when deciding to get the extended warranty.
Perhaps appleinsider can follow up on that. Is AppleCare worth it?
1) He's not really asking questions.
2) His comment is that Apple keeps making iPhones thinner when they've actually increased their thickness is a statement… and that's wrong.
iPhone 6 = 0.27" D
iPhone 7 = 0.28" D
iPhone 8 = 0.29" D
iPone 6 Plus = 0.28" D
iPhone 7 Plus = 0.29" D
iPhone 8 Plus = 0.30" D
3) He foolishly makes a claim about the thinness of a battery, not about its volume or its capacity. This batteries are sheets that are wrapped and folded so thicker batteries would have a statistical likelihood of having more issues, not less. Then there's the chemistry involved that caused dendrites to degrade batteries and cause them to eventually short out, as well as impurities, as we see with cheap batteries that are discarded by Apple and most other OEMs because they're both junk and dangerous), and finally other aspects of how power is received through cheap 3rd-party chargers and cables that can further degrade batteries is the internal components of the device can only handle so much in terms fo controlling the power flow which can cause a lot more than just battery health.
4) Apple clearly states that the iPhone batteries should last 500 charge cycles before it reaches 80% of its original capacity. This is not 500 charges; this is 500 complete charge cycles. If you charged your battery every day when it was at 50% it would then be 1000 days of charging before you get to 500 complete charge cycles.
actually it is not linear , always charging at 50% gives you much more than 2x more like 2.5 times, why? because deep charging or discharge tends to damage the anode and cathodes. If you only discharge 25% every day, the battery likely would last 3 x the number of charge cycles (so 500x-800 would turn into 1500 to 1800).
That's why Ipad batteries last longer, they tend to discharge less in percentage and the Ipads tend to stay plugged more often.
If you look at charge curves, you see that the power controller tend to allow the charging the battery very fast over 20% and under 80
True or not, at $29 the whole battery life cycle thing becomes a moot point
Even at $80, it should already have been for a 2 year old phone, you don't change your phone because you can't poney up $50 bucks more when he resale value of your phone is still $400+ This was essentially a mostly fabricated "scandal" just like antenna gate . Apple also had to give people something then. Apple's sales at that time were much much lower so it didn't get as much play though.
Resale value of a 2 year of iPhone is nowhere near $400. Trade-in is less than half that. And, most people don't even bother doing that. So, it was put $80 into a 2 year old phone that's getting slow and clunky or invest in the latest and greatest...
No, I think $29 changes the equation as to whether to keep an older phone -- and particularly when it comes to deciding whether or not to swap out an older battery.
It's funny, I just googled and yes, my price was AOK (but in Canadian dollar). Man, i'm tired of people lying to make a point, fracking tired of it. Stop it. Trade in gives terrible value, you knew it yet pull that crap straw man huh.
Here in Canada, on kijiji, the equivalent of craiglist: Iphone 6s 16GB (average) $350 $CAN (near mint including good battery of course) $425 (that's about $290-$340 dollars US) That's more than $100 off from your god damn lot less than $200 dollars pricing in US dollars) (that's a phone that can be up to 2.25 years old now). Iphone 5s in very good condition about $140 US$ (with a very good battery, probably slightly more), Iphone 7 32GB, the lowest price about $550 $CAN for OK ones to $700 to mint condition (so, $400-$520 US dollars). (so, are people throwing away their Iphone 7 hmmm, or changing the battery).
So according to you, people who couldn't be bothered to get their battery replaced to get at a minimum 4 times the cost of their battery in return (if they sell and more than that if they kept it) not to mention the depreciation cost of buying a new phones, will suddenly trot to an Apple store (not just any store, it may be far) , to replace their battery. and that will make "all the difference" (tm)..... And that's if you actually went to Apple for a replacement battery; you could go to other stores and get it done for $40-50 already.
The replacement already was paying for itself handily; there is no real difference on that count. Just a slightly better return.
There are many logical breakdown in your "story" unless in fact, making the battery cheaper won't make a difference at all in how people actually behave (it was never about the battery) and Apple knows this and the $30 buck offer is seen as a good way to placate the online drama queen trolls and the online media echo chamber using this to stir shit up cause... Well, it is Apple and shit talking Apple is in their comfort zones.
Galaxy phones are all half the price of Iphones in general online. Considering a tip top 6s is close to the performance of a current flagship (they're about like the 6s single threaded, that's not surprising).
LOL... All you have to do is check trade-in values here on AI -- which is what the majority of people who don't keep or throw away their old phones use.
But instead you use cherry picked cases that few people use to prove a false case.
LOL yourself buddy, you just lost your so called argument. I don't give a crap what you claim "people are doing" or that you THINK I've been "cherry picking" ( I've averaged out dozens of current local posts on the open market in Montreal out of hundreds similar ones and stated the highest and lowest price, that's the opposite of cherry picking). It's just more goalpost moving on your part.
You can look it yourself on kijiji montreal or are you too chickenshit to actually do any work except a hand waving "LOL".
Nobody's really changing their expensive phone after two years for an even more expensive one uniquely because a battery cost $80, that's not the only factor at work.
Trade in value is always the worse price and claiming most people use that is YOUR CLAIM and even if it ever were true still doesn't change the crux of the god damn argument, the phones are still worth getting the battery replaced especially if you also consider the replacement cost for your current phone (you do remember there was 2 part to my cost argument)..
Also, If someone is ready to trade off convenience and speed to get less money, well it is on them. You can also trade in your car, but that doesn't mean that's the best thing to do instead of selling it yourself. It's easier, but doesn't change the actual book value of the car. If someone doesn't care to lose 50% more on their phone's value because its more convenient for them to do so they then can't whine that the battery price was an obstacle to changing it and keeping the phone.
It is possible that people are too lazy to go and do this change (people going trade in and losing value on their phone tells you lazyness is a factor) and because they often finance it, not really realize that they would indeed be saving money because their bad at finance and hey getting a new phone is only X per month (so why spend 2X to fix it).
That they have a bad evaluation of cost because roll in prices seem to them lower than up front ones (like changing the battery) undoubtedly skews their decision away from their best interest.
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Apple care is worth it for phones simply because phones take a lot of abuse but it's still a personal decision.
These consumers and thier Attorneys should be banned from buying iPhone who thinks batteries are forever.
Apple should have these done transparently BUT its done and to tell you I have 5 iphones in my family and have not had notices any slowdowns...they just keep on rocking
Apple is extending the usefulness of battery depleted iPhone with their power management techniques.
I think Apple is safe in a reasonable court. Are French courts considered "reasonable?"
All Apple sites are now LITTERED with the garbage being spewed about by people like you, who don't know JACK SHIT about Apple actually did, but are trying to fan the flames of this pitchfork mentality against them, holy christ just crawl back into the redneck corner you crawled out from!
Good luck with that in the real world.
That's why Ipad batteries last longer, they tend to discharge less in percentage and the Ipads tend to stay plugged more often.
If you look at charge curves, you see that the power controller tend to allow the charging the battery very fast over 20% and under 80
This was essentially a mostly fabricated "scandal" just like antenna gate . Apple also had to give people something then.
Apple's sales at that time were much much lower so it didn't get as much play though.
No, I think $29 changes the equation as to whether to keep an older phone -- and particularly when it comes to deciding whether or not to swap out an older battery.
Man, i'm tired of people lying to make a point, fracking tired of it. Stop it.
Trade in gives terrible value, you knew it yet pull that crap straw man huh.
Here in Canada, on kijiji, the equivalent of craiglist:
Iphone 6s 16GB (average) $350 $CAN (near mint including good battery of course) $425 (that's about $290-$340 dollars US)
That's more than $100 off from your god damn lot less than $200 dollars pricing in US dollars)
(that's a phone that can be up to 2.25 years old now).
Iphone 5s in very good condition about $140 US$ (with a very good battery, probably slightly more),
Iphone 7 32GB, the lowest price about $550 $CAN for OK ones to $700 to mint condition (so, $400-$520 US dollars).
(so, are people throwing away their Iphone 7 hmmm, or changing the battery).
So according to you, people who couldn't be bothered to get their battery replaced to get at a minimum 4 times the cost of their battery in return (if they sell and more than that if they kept it) not to mention the depreciation cost of buying a new phones, will suddenly trot to an Apple store (not just any store, it may be far) , to replace their battery. and that will make "all the difference" (tm)..... And that's if you actually went to Apple for a replacement battery; you could go to other stores and get it done for $40-50 already.
The replacement already was paying for itself handily; there is no real difference on that count. Just a slightly better return.
There are many logical breakdown in your "story" unless in fact, making the battery cheaper won't make a difference at all in how people actually behave (it was never about the battery) and Apple knows this and the $30 buck offer is seen as a good way to placate the online drama queen trolls and the online media echo chamber using this to stir shit up cause... Well, it is Apple and shit talking Apple is in their comfort zones.
Galaxy phones are all half the price of Iphones in general online.
Considering a tip top 6s is close to the performance of a current flagship (they're about like the 6s single threaded, that's not surprising).
But instead you use cherry picked cases that few people use to prove a false case.
You can look it yourself on kijiji montreal or are you too chickenshit to actually do any work except a hand waving "LOL".
Nobody's really changing their expensive phone after two years for an even more expensive one uniquely because a battery cost $80, that's not the only factor at work.
Trade in value is always the worse price and claiming most people use that is YOUR CLAIM and even if it ever were true still doesn't change the crux of the god damn argument, the phones are still worth getting the battery replaced especially if you also consider the replacement cost for your current phone (you do remember there was 2 part to my cost argument)..
Also, If someone is ready to trade off convenience and speed to get less money, well it is on them.
You can also trade in your car, but that doesn't mean that's the best thing to do instead of selling it yourself. It's easier, but doesn't change the actual book value of the car.
If someone doesn't care to lose 50% more on their phone's value because its more convenient for them to do so they then can't whine that the battery price was an obstacle to changing it and keeping the phone.
It is possible that people are too lazy to go and do this change (people going trade in and losing value on their phone tells you lazyness is a factor) and because they often finance it, not really realize that they would indeed be saving money because their bad at finance and hey getting a new phone is only X per month (so why spend 2X to fix it).
That they have a bad evaluation of cost because roll in prices seem to them lower than up front ones (like changing the battery) undoubtedly skews their decision away from their best interest.