I find it quite interesting and kind of exciting to see how the iPhone X is penetrating the traditional big-chin-big-forehead-home-button iPhone market. The X doesn't have to be the dominant force this early in its evolution. The legacy design phones still have a lot of momentum and familiarity with buyers and I wouldn't expect the changeover to the X design to be a step function. It will be a ramp, one that will increase dramatically over the next 1-3 release cycles. The reason I said that the X is exciting is because it opens up a whole new vector for improvement for the iPhone product line (and obviously the copycats). Prior to the X we basically saw the same tired improvement strategy playing out again and again - make it bigger. If big wasn't good enough, make it even bigger. If cargo pants won't hold it, bring on the murse.
It may be too early to tell, and the sample size may not reflect longer term trends, but seeing the X wedging itself in line ahead of the 8 Plus may just provide a hint that biggy sizing isn't the only path to improvement. Fundamentally changing the architecture by popping off the home button, trimming the forehead, and lopping off the chin breaks the pattern, at least for a while. Now that the face of the iPhone is nailed down for a while it's time to take a closer look at the back of the iPhone and see what can be done to rearchitect that vast unused real estate for better purposes. A good first start would be to figure out how to get to a zero-bump camera design, perhaps by incorporating a 2D planar optical phased array (OPA) imaging system that supports visible, infrared, and ultraviolet spectrums. An always-on imaging system may be quite useful for collision avoidance while walking (sadly, this is increasingly a problem) and biking and, with IR support, night vision.
Anyway... make the most of the time you have left with your big forehead chinny legacy iPhone design because it won't be around much longer. Whether that's one more cycle or maybe two, its days are numbered. The X is the pivot point.
Strange headline. There were two different 8 models and they’re more affordable than the X.
The iPhone 8 outsold the iPhone X, while the iPhone X outsold the iPhone 8 Plus. The two different models are clearly addressed in the story. Headline is accurate.
I didn't say it was inaccurate, I said it was strange -- because it's expected that the 8 outsells the premium, much more expensive X.
The mathematics about statistics give the 500 customers on a population of a few million means a margin of error of about 4%. Not very accurate but still a good indication.
That means the X may have outsold the 8 and the 8 Plus so no, not a very good indication - the entire story could be wrong within that margin.
Strange headline. There were two different 8 models and they’re more affordable than the X.
The iPhone 8 outsold the iPhone X, while the iPhone X outsold the iPhone 8 Plus. The two different models are clearly addressed in the story. Headline is accurate.
Ummm, That's interesting... So the X sucked market share mostly from the 8-Plus....
Obviously Plus buyers favor a larger screen. So does that mean the screen on the X is "big enough"? Or, perhaps it was simply that the difference in price between an 8-Plus vs the X was smaller than that of the 8 -- which made the higher cost of the X easier to swallow?
People overlook BOGO offer for iPhone 8 from carriers. If there was similar BOGO for iPhone X than it would have sold more than combined 8 and 8 Plus.
1) How much do BOGO sales really affect overall sales when you're talking about a single carrier and a short-term promotion that only affects those that are buying for families of two or more?
2) If the iPhone X demand was already outweighing its production then how would BOGO deals have been able to sell more iPhone X's if they weren't available for sale in the current quantities?
Strange headline. There were two different 8 models and they’re more affordable than the X.
The iPhone 8 outsold the iPhone X, while the iPhone X outsold the iPhone 8 Plus. The two different models are clearly addressed in the story. Headline is accurate.
Ummm, That's interesting... So the X sucked market share mostly from the 8-Plus....
Obviously Plus buyers favor a larger screen. So does that mean the screen on the X is "big enough"? Or, perhaps it was simply that the difference in price between an 8-Plus vs the X was smaller than that of the 8 -- which made the higher cost of the X easier to swallow?
I cannot wrap my head around people on tech forums who now that the iPhone X's display is measured on the diagonal without any considerations for both the notch and 4 corner removal of display area and pixels, but keep wanting to say it's a bigger display when it clearly has less area than the Plus-sized iPhone. More importantly, the iPhone X has the same display width as that 4.7" iPhone and even less viewing area when displaying a standard, 16:9 video without being cropped (i.e.: safe area).
I didn't upgrade to the iPhone X because I want the the same size iPhone as my iPhone 7 Plus.
Is this surprising to anyone? The iPhone 8 was available for longer so reviews had already come in and the X is more expensive as well.
It shouldn't be, but this forum had plenty of people saying that no one was going to buy the iPhone 8 series because of the iPhone X.
Yes, it was supposed to be a lose-lose proposition for Apple - no one would buy the 8 since the X was there and no one would buy the X since it was so expensive.
Strange headline. There were two different 8 models and they’re more affordable than the X.
The iPhone 8 outsold the iPhone X, while the iPhone X outsold the iPhone 8 Plus. The two different models are clearly addressed in the story. Headline is accurate.
Ummm, That's interesting... So the X sucked market share mostly from the 8-Plus....
Obviously Plus buyers favor a larger screen. So does that mean the screen on the X is "big enough"? Or, perhaps it was simply that the difference in price between an 8-Plus vs the X was smaller than that of the 8 -- which made the higher cost of the X easier to swallow?
I cannot wrap my head around people on tech forums who now that the iPhone X's display is measured on the diagonal without any considerations for both the notch and 4 corner removal of display area and pixels, but keep wanting to say it's a bigger display when it clearly has less area than the Plus-sized iPhone. More importantly, the iPhone X has the same display width as that 4.7" iPhone and even less viewing area when displaying a standard, 16:9 video without being cropped (i.e.: safe area).
I didn't upgrade to the iPhone X because I want the the same size iPhone as my iPhone 7 Plus.
LOL... Since nobody on this forum has said that X display is bigger than that of the 8 Plus, maybe you either need to read a bit more carefully -- or take your meds...
Strange headline. There were two different 8 models and they’re more affordable than the X.
The iPhone 8 outsold the iPhone X, while the iPhone X outsold the iPhone 8 Plus. The two different models are clearly addressed in the story. Headline is accurate.
Ummm, That's interesting... So the X sucked market share mostly from the 8-Plus....
Obviously Plus buyers favor a larger screen. So does that mean the screen on the X is "big enough"? Or, perhaps it was simply that the difference in price between an 8-Plus vs the X was smaller than that of the 8 -- which made the higher cost of the X easier to swallow?
I cannot wrap my head around people on tech forums who now that the iPhone X's display is measured on the diagonal without any considerations for both the notch and 4 corner removal of display area and pixels, but keep wanting to say it's a bigger display when it clearly has less area than the Plus-sized iPhone. More importantly, the iPhone X has the same display width as that 4.7" iPhone and even less viewing area when displaying a standard, 16:9 video without being cropped (i.e.: safe area).
I didn't upgrade to the iPhone X because I want the the same size iPhone as my iPhone 7 Plus.
LOL... Since nobody on this forum has said that X display is bigger than that of the 8 Plus, maybe you either need to read a bit more carefully -- or take your meds…
1) You want to go on record that "nobody no this forum" has said that a 5.8" display is larger than a 5.5" display? 2) A two second google search found this exact quote by a regular poster, "No reason to wait the iPhone X has a larger display than the Plus models TODAY!" and based on both your defensiveness with my pointing out a simple fact that's easily verified and your petty attack, I can't help but wonder if I'd find similar comments from you if I spent a few moments searching under your name, but since you said nobody has ever said that, I'll leave it at just one of innumerable examples that prove show that misplaced affirmation and arrogance to be wildly off the mark.
This isn’t surprising, everyone I know bought the 8 over the X.
The surprise is how amazingly well the X sold, it certainly shocked Apple. The X was supposed to be the Super Super Premium IPhone.
It’s like suddenly half the population bought Bentley’s...
It would be interesting to compare the US numbers vs. the EU (for example) where phones are not financed through the wireless carriers.
Personally, I have seen only a single iPhone X in the wild, and it was at a packed Disneyland Paris during the New Year celebrations. I've lost count of the 8 and 8Plus models I've seen by comparison. Just a personal observation from someone who takes notice of what phones people have on show of course, not a true representation of sales by any account.
Also phones here (UK) CAN still be financed through the carrier, it's becoming a less popular option as it's always cheaper to buy outright + sim only but there are many many people that would rather add more debt for a luxury than be sensible with money sadly.
Another day and another report on 4th quarter iPhone sales, this one worldwide rather than US-specific.
According to Canalys the iPhone X was the most successful smartphone model in the period, shipping 29 million units with 7 million of those slated for Chinese buyers.
“The iPhone X performance is impressive for a device priced at US$999, but it is slightly below industry expectations,” said Ben Stanton, Analyst at Canalys. “Apple struggled with supply issues in early November, but achieved a massive uplift in production in late November and throughout December. This helped it meet and even exceed demand in some markets by the end of the quarter. One major benefit to Apple is that customers are increasingly realizing the residual value of their old smartphones, opting for trade-in programs to offset the high price of the iPhone X. But that big price tag, and Apple’s split launch strategy, still had an impact, and shipments were not the fastest ever for an iPhone.”
500? Sample size too low, IMO. And of course lower prices product sell more. That's true for almost everything and there are only rare exceptions, when comparing apples to apples (or Apples to Apples).
This is easily proven. What's Apple's market share compared to say Samsung's? 500 is a pathetic sample size and it doesn't state where they were located. I know the article says US but does it include all 50 states or is it only California for example? Does it include richer states who may be more likely to purchase higher end phones than poorer states or what?
This is the problem with numbers, they don't tell a story, they only tell you something is bigger than something else.
If done properly it will be randomised exactly like that. The important thing is that 500 is enough for a random selection at a +- 4% accuracy.
This isn’t surprising, everyone I know bought the 8 over the X.
The surprise is how amazingly well the X sold, it certainly shocked Apple. The X was supposed to be the Super Super Premium IPhone.
It’s like suddenly half the population bought Bentley’s...
It would be interesting to compare the US numbers vs. the EU (for example) where phones are not financed through the wireless carriers.
Personally, I have seen only a single iPhone X in the wild, and it was at a packed Disneyland Paris during the New Year celebrations. I've lost count of the 8 and 8Plus models I've seen by comparison. Just a personal observation from someone who takes notice of what phones people have on show of course, not a true representation of sales by any account.
Also phones here (UK) CAN still be financed through the carrier, it's becoming a less popular option as it's always cheaper to buy outright + sim only but there are many many people that would rather add more debt for a luxury than be sensible with money sadly.
I too have just seen one, just today actually. I certainly have envy now, the screen is magnificent.
The iPhone X is a nice beta-testing device to help Apple prepare for what's next, and paying $1,000+ for the privilege. For me, it was not an option because it is too expensive for what you get. If the battery life would have been dramatically better, the bezels thinner, the chin smaller (so the usable screen area is bigger than currently is), maybe I would have paid that price. But to me it just didn't have enough to justify the price. Maybe in two years. I got the 8 since I like to be able to sit down with the phone in my pocket. In my opinion iPhone X did well enough for Apple (think of just the psychological win of actually upping the price and get people to pay that, instead of going down in price, that is a win in itself). Hopefully, for each time they go up, they'll also go lower at the other end for people who don't care for the latest gimmicks but still want Apple.
Strange headline. There were two different 8 models and they’re more affordable than the X.
The iPhone 8 outsold the iPhone X, while the iPhone X outsold the iPhone 8 Plus. The two different models are clearly addressed in the story. Headline is accurate.
Ummm, That's interesting... So the X sucked market share mostly from the 8-Plus....
Obviously Plus buyers favor a larger screen. So does that mean the screen on the X is "big enough"? Or, perhaps it was simply that the difference in price between an 8-Plus vs the X was smaller than that of the 8 -- which made the higher cost of the X easier to swallow?
I cannot wrap my head around people on tech forums who now that the iPhone X's display is measured on the diagonal without any considerations for both the notch and 4 corner removal of display area and pixels, but keep wanting to say it's a bigger display when it clearly has less area than the Plus-sized iPhone. More importantly, the iPhone X has the same display width as that 4.7" iPhone and even less viewing area when displaying a standard, 16:9 video without being cropped (i.e.: safe area).
I didn't upgrade to the iPhone X because I want the the same size iPhone as my iPhone 7 Plus.
LOL... Since nobody on this forum has said that X display is bigger than that of the 8 Plus, maybe you either need to read a bit more carefully -- or take your meds…
1) You want to go on record that "nobody no this forum" has said that a 5.8" display is larger than a 5.5" display? 2) A two second google search found this exact quote by a regular poster, "No reason to wait the iPhone X has a larger display than the Plus models TODAY!" and based on both your defensiveness with my pointing out a simple fact that's easily verified and your petty attack, I can't help but wonder if I'd find similar comments from you if I spent a few moments searching under your name, but since you said nobody has ever said that, I'll leave it at just one of innumerable examples that prove show that misplaced affirmation and arrogance to be wildly off the mark.
LOL... Changing your story?
You're responding to this thread and quoted me -- or actually misquoted me -- by suggesting that I said that. Now you're reverting to a Google search to prove that it's not true that nobody, nowhere at no time has ever said that....
Ok, you got me... Somebody, somewhere at some time probably said that. Are you happy now?
Strange headline. There were two different 8 models and they’re more affordable than the X.
The iPhone 8 outsold the iPhone X, while the iPhone X outsold the iPhone 8 Plus. The two different models are clearly addressed in the story. Headline is accurate.
Ummm, That's interesting... So the X sucked market share mostly from the 8-Plus....
Obviously Plus buyers favor a larger screen. So does that mean the screen on the X is "big enough"? Or, perhaps it was simply that the difference in price between an 8-Plus vs the X was smaller than that of the 8 -- which made the higher cost of the X easier to swallow?
I cannot wrap my head around people on tech forums who now that the iPhone X's display is measured on the diagonal without any considerations for both the notch and 4 corner removal of display area and pixels, but keep wanting to say it's a bigger display when it clearly has less area than the Plus-sized iPhone. More importantly, the iPhone X has the same display width as that 4.7" iPhone and even less viewing area when displaying a standard, 16:9 video without being cropped (i.e.: safe area).
I didn't upgrade to the iPhone X because I want the the same size iPhone as my iPhone 7 Plus.
LOL... Since nobody on this forum has said that X display is bigger than that of the 8 Plus, maybe you either need to read a bit more carefully -- or take your meds…
1) You want to go on record that "nobody no this forum" has said that a 5.8" display is larger than a 5.5" display?
2) A two second google search found this exact quote by a regular poster, "No reason to wait the iPhone X has a larger display than the Plus models TODAY!" and based on both your defensiveness with my pointing out a simple fact that's easily verified and your petty attack, I can't help but wonder if I'd find similar comments from you if I spent a few moments searching under your name, but since you said nobody has ever said that, I'll leave it at just one of innumerable examples that prove show that misplaced affirmation and arrogance to be wildly off the mark.
LOL... Changing your story?
You're responding to this thread and quoted me -- or actually misquoted me -- by suggesting that I said that. Now you're reverting to a Google search to prove that it's not true that nobody, nowhere at no time has ever said that....
What story did I change with your "fake" question?
You're responding to this thread and quoted me -- or actually misquoted me -- by suggesting that I said that. Now you're reverting to a Google search to prove that it's not true that nobody, nowhere at no time has ever said that….
Where did I misquote you? Where did I suggest that you said the first example I saw in my search? In fact, I literally stated that the italiczed quote wasn't from you… but you'd know if you "read a bit more carefully."
Ok, you got me... Somebody, somewhere at some time probably said that. Are you happy now?
No, because you're still trying to save face and deflect from the fact that it was commonly stated on this very forum—in threads in which you participated—ad nauseam, and yet you're ironically telling me to "read a bit more carefully" and making personal attacks. It's fine that you don't remember, but at least do a modicum of research before making such absolute statements.
Strange headline. There were two different 8 models and they’re more affordable than the X.
The iPhone 8 outsold the iPhone X, while the iPhone X outsold the iPhone 8 Plus. The two different models are clearly addressed in the story. Headline is accurate.
Ummm, That's interesting... So the X sucked market share mostly from the 8-Plus....
Obviously Plus buyers favor a larger screen. So does that mean the screen on the X is "big enough"? Or, perhaps it was simply that the difference in price between an 8-Plus vs the X was smaller than that of the 8 -- which made the higher cost of the X easier to swallow?
I cannot wrap my head around people on tech forums who now that the iPhone X's display is measured on the diagonal without any considerations for both the notch and 4 corner removal of display area and pixels, but keep wanting to say it's a bigger display when it clearly has less area than the Plus-sized iPhone. More importantly, the iPhone X has the same display width as that 4.7" iPhone and even less viewing area when displaying a standard, 16:9 video without being cropped (i.e.: safe area).
I didn't upgrade to the iPhone X because I want the the same size iPhone as my iPhone 7 Plus.
LOL... Since nobody on this forum has said that X display is bigger than that of the 8 Plus, maybe you either need to read a bit more carefully -- or take your meds…
1) You want to go on record that "nobody no this forum" has said that a 5.8" display is larger than a 5.5" display?
2) A two second google search found this exact quote by a regular poster, "No reason to wait the iPhone X has a larger display than the Plus models TODAY!" and based on both your defensiveness with my pointing out a simple fact that's easily verified and your petty attack, I can't help but wonder if I'd find similar comments from you if I spent a few moments searching under your name, but since you said nobody has ever said that, I'll leave it at just one of innumerable examples that prove show that misplaced affirmation and arrogance to be wildly off the mark.
LOL... Changing your story?
You're responding to this thread and quoted me -- or actually misquoted me -- by suggesting that I said that. Now you're reverting to a Google search to prove that it's not true that nobody, nowhere at no time has ever said that....
What story did I change with your "fake" question?
You're responding to this thread and quoted me -- or actually misquoted me -- by suggesting that I said that. Now you're reverting to a Google search to prove that it's not true that nobody, nowhere at no time has ever said that….
Where did I misquote you? Where did I suggest that you said the first example I saw in my search? In fact, I literally stated that the italiczed quote wasn't from you… but you'd know if you "read a bit more carefully."
Ok, you got me... Somebody, somewhere at some time probably said that. Are you happy now?
No, because you're still trying to save face and deflect from the fact that it was commonly stated on this very forum—in threads in which you participated—ad nauseam, and yet you're ironically telling me to "read a bit more carefully" and making personal attacks. It's fine that you don't remember, but at least do a modicum of research before making such absolute statements.
PS: It's OK to admit you made a mistake.
The part that threw me was where you quoted me and responded with:
" cannot wrap my head around people on tech forums who now that the
iPhone X's display is measured on the diagonal without any
considerations for both the notch and 4 corner removal of display area
and pixels, but keep wanting to say it's a bigger display when it
clearly has less area than the Plus-sized iPhone. More importantly, the
iPhone X has the same display width as that 4.7" iPhone and even less
viewing area when displaying a standard, 16:9 video without being
cropped (i.e.: safe area).
I didn't upgrade to the iPhone X because I want the the same size iPhone as my iPhone 7 Plus."
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Should bode well for a viable and updated SE later this year.
It may be too early to tell, and the sample size may not reflect longer term trends, but seeing the X wedging itself in line ahead of the 8 Plus may just provide a hint that biggy sizing isn't the only path to improvement. Fundamentally changing the architecture by popping off the home button, trimming the forehead, and lopping off the chin breaks the pattern, at least for a while. Now that the face of the iPhone is nailed down for a while it's time to take a closer look at the back of the iPhone and see what can be done to rearchitect that vast unused real estate for better purposes. A good first start would be to figure out how to get to a zero-bump camera design, perhaps by incorporating a 2D planar optical phased array (OPA) imaging system that supports visible, infrared, and ultraviolet spectrums. An always-on imaging system may be quite useful for collision avoidance while walking (sadly, this is increasingly a problem) and biking and, with IR support, night vision.
Anyway... make the most of the time you have left with your big forehead chinny legacy iPhone design because it won't be around much longer. Whether that's one more cycle or maybe two, its days are numbered. The X is the pivot point.
That means the X may have outsold the 8 and the 8 Plus so no, not a very good indication - the entire story could be wrong within that margin.
(Happily) from my iPhone X
So the X sucked market share mostly from the 8-Plus....
Obviously Plus buyers favor a larger screen. So does that mean the screen on the X is "big enough"? Or, perhaps it was simply that the difference in price between an 8-Plus vs the X was smaller than that of the 8 -- which made the higher cost of the X easier to swallow?
2) If the iPhone X demand was already outweighing its production then how would BOGO deals have been able to sell more iPhone X's if they weren't available for sale in the current quantities?
I didn't upgrade to the iPhone X because I want the the same size iPhone as my iPhone 7 Plus.
Yes, it was supposed to be a lose-lose proposition for Apple - no one would buy the 8 since the X was there and no one would buy the X since it was so expensive.
2) A two second google search found this exact quote by a regular poster, "No reason to wait the iPhone X has a larger display than the Plus models TODAY!" and based on both your defensiveness with my pointing out a simple fact that's easily verified and your petty attack, I can't help but wonder if I'd find similar comments from you if I spent a few moments searching under your name, but since you said nobody has ever said that, I'll leave it at just one of innumerable examples that prove show that misplaced affirmation and arrogance to be wildly off the mark.
Also phones here (UK) CAN still be financed through the carrier, it's becoming a less popular option as it's always cheaper to buy outright + sim only but there are many many people that would rather add more debt for a luxury than be sensible with money sadly.
According to Canalys the iPhone X was the most successful smartphone model in the period, shipping 29 million units with 7 million of those slated for Chinese buyers.
“The iPhone X performance is impressive for a device priced at US$999, but it is slightly below industry expectations,” said Ben Stanton, Analyst at Canalys. “Apple struggled with supply issues in early November, but achieved a massive uplift in production in late November and throughout December. This helped it meet and even exceed demand in some markets by the end of the quarter. One major benefit to Apple is that customers are increasingly realizing the residual value of their old smartphones, opting for trade-in programs to offset the high price of the iPhone X. But that big price tag, and Apple’s split launch strategy, still had an impact, and shipments were not the fastest ever for an iPhone.”
Changing your story?
You're responding to this thread and quoted me -- or actually misquoted me -- by suggesting that I said that. Now you're reverting to a Google search to prove that it's not true that nobody, nowhere at no time has ever said that....
Ok, you got me... Somebody, somewhere at some time probably said that. Are you happy now?
Where did I misquote you? Where did I suggest that you said the first example I saw in my search? In fact, I literally stated that the italiczed quote wasn't from you… but you'd know if you "read a bit more carefully."
No, because you're still trying to save face and deflect from the fact that it was commonly stated on this very forum—in threads in which you participated—ad nauseam, and yet you're ironically telling me to "read a bit more carefully" and making personal attacks. It's fine that you don't remember, but at least do a modicum of research before making such absolute statements.
PS: It's OK to admit you made a mistake.
" cannot wrap my head around people on tech forums who now that the iPhone X's display is measured on the diagonal without any considerations for both the notch and 4 corner removal of display area and pixels, but keep wanting to say it's a bigger display when it clearly has less area than the Plus-sized iPhone. More importantly, the iPhone X has the same display width as that 4.7" iPhone and even less viewing area when displaying a standard, 16:9 video without being cropped (i.e.: safe area).
I didn't upgrade to the iPhone X because I want the the same size iPhone as my iPhone 7 Plus."
PS: It's OK to admit you made a mistake.