FBI agents dish on Tim Cook, Apple in private texts discussing iPhone encryption debate

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  • Reply 21 of 32
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
    vmarks said:
    It would be very interesting to know how the entire OS is designed to track the user, and their basis for writing that.
    I think, the agent equated iOS to Android OS. I doubt the agent has the technical knowledge to learn that on his own. Besides, if Apple does indeed do that, it will backfire on them really quickly, ones it publicly known. I doubt that Apple is dumb enough to put that time nuclear bomb under their whole business. Too risky and there is almost no reward for that, since Apple does not sell ads and does not need to target a group of people with them.

    I think, that FBI agent pulled that argument straight from his arse, in order to make Apple look bad in his argument.
    Technically yes they do sell ads, and unless you've actively turned off location tracking for personalized (targeted) ads from Apple the default from the factory is on to allow it. I certainly wouldn't go so far as to say iOS was designed to track users tho. Typical exaggeration when talking among friends I would assume.
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  • Reply 22 of 32
    There's a higher point here:  Don't you feel bad for these two agents?  Their private conversations have suddenly been made public.  I don't think anyone wants that.  We all count on having basic privacy with our conversations.  Those two can't be very happy right now.


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  • Reply 23 of 32
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,067member
    Anyone who has been following this knows these two are a mess.  They are going to be the biggest factors in bringing down the entire FBI leadership and several senior Justice employees.  
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  • Reply 24 of 32
    Rayz2016 said:
    I'm still stuck on a few things:
    - why photos builds a ubiquitous image tagging database, with no off switch
    - why all install roads seem to lead to iCloud (takes a concerted effort to avoid)
    - why basic S/MIME email encryption is not offered by default 'for the rest of us'
    - why the app store seems so persistent in nature (no edit/delete)
    Can one slip of the mouse load all data to Apple servers...?
    Is this boil the frog territory, yet again...?
    Is HomePod listening (yet)...?
    Why is it that you can massage your temples, but you can’t tickle yourself??
    Actually you can tickle yourself, it’s just that the only place you can do it is the roof of your mouth
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  • Reply 25 of 32
    jdiamond said:
    There's a higher point here:  Don't you feel bad for these two agents?  Their private conversations have suddenly been made public.  I don't think anyone wants that.  We all count on having basic privacy with our conversations.  Those two can't be very happy right now.


    Any government employee should have no expectation of privacy when using business hours and publicly funded equipment to conduct their affairs (pun intended).
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  • Reply 26 of 32
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,067member
    jdiamond said:
    There's a higher point here:  Don't you feel bad for these two agents?  Their private conversations have suddenly been made public.  I don't think anyone wants that.  We all count on having basic privacy with our conversations.  Those two can't be very happy right now.


    How about you “feel bad” for the people who had their 4th Amendment Rights stomped with an illegal spying scheme?  
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  • Reply 27 of 32
    Damn good thing Tim Cook stood up for liberty! 

    In that moment, he was a true patriot & voice of We The People!   I was thoroughly impressed.
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  • Reply 28 of 32
    docno42docno42 Posts: 3,764member
    jdiamond said:
    There's a higher point here:  Don't you feel bad for these two agents?  Their private conversations have suddenly been made public.  I don't think anyone wants that.  We all count on having basic privacy with our conversations.  Those two can't be very happy right now.


    They were government devices.  Nothing on them is private.  If they aren't happy they only have themselves to blame.

    Example of what is common on any US government computer (and yes Cell phones count)

    You are about to access a U. S. Government computer/information system. Access to this system is restricted to authorized users only. Anyone who accesses this system without authorization or exceeds authorized access could be subjected to a fine or imprisonment, or both, under Public Law 98-473. By accessing the system you consent to having your activities and or access recorded by system software and periodically monitored. If this record reveals suspected unauthorized use or criminal activity, the evidence may be provided to supervisory personnel and law enforcement officials.

    DO NOT PROCESS CLASSIFIED INFORMATION ON THIS SYSTEM

    Source

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  • Reply 29 of 32
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,186administrator
    If your comment is deleted, twice in this case, take a minute to read the commenting guidelines.

    And no, it's not the political content. If you have any questions, feel free to message me, but do not persist.
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  • Reply 30 of 32
    jdiamond said:
    There's a higher point here:  Don't you feel bad for these two agents?  Their private conversations have suddenly been made public.  I don't think anyone wants that.  We all count on having basic privacy with our conversations.  Those two can't be very happy right now.
    Explain why this comment gets to remain up, then. Nothing I said is against the rules if nothing he said is against the rules.
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  • Reply 31 of 32
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,186administrator
    jdiamond said:
    There's a higher point here:  Don't you feel bad for these two agents?  Their private conversations have suddenly been made public.  I don't think anyone wants that.  We all count on having basic privacy with our conversations.  Those two can't be very happy right now.
    Explain why this comment gets to remain up, then. Nothing I said is against the rules if nothing he said is against the rules.
    "And no, it's not the political content" from the post right above yours.
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  • Reply 32 of 32
    That dialog should worry us but it's not surprising to me. I guess anyone in law enforcement would get mad if their path to justice was blocked. I don't say that to justify them. It's just how they probably think. The FBI probably don't really like court orders or warrants either but they would never admit it openly.  What people in power say in private is probably different than what they say in public most of the time.
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