Heads of US law & spy agencies say phones by Apple rival Huawei pose inherent national sec...

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The heads of several U.S. law and spy agencies claim that smartphone buyers should avoid buying products from China's Huawei, since the company poses a risk of data theft and surveillance of users, but also are a danger to national security as well.




"We're deeply concerned about the risks of allowing any company or entity that is beholden to foreign governments that don't share our values to gain positions of power inside our telecommunications networks," FBI director Christopher Wray explained, according to CNBC. "That provides the capacity to exert pressure or control over our telecommunications infrastructure. It provides the capacity to maliciously modify or steal information. And it provides the capacity to conduct undetected espionage."

Also present during the hearing were five other agency heads, for organizations like the CIA and NSA.

Huawei is known to have close ties to the Chinese government. In theory allowing Huawei devices and infrastructure to spread in the U.S. could make it easier for the Communist Party to launch hacking attempts.

Huawei has denied that it poses a greater threat than other vendors.

The company has so far had trouble entering the U.S. market. A deal to sell phones through AT&T was broken off, and politicians have put pressure on the carrier to avoid collaborating with Huawei on 5G technology. Likewise, politicians have moved to prevent government purchases from Huawei or another Chinese firm, ZTE.

Some U.S. law and intelligence officials have called on domestic phone makers -- including Apple -- to permit backdoors in their software so data can be accessed at will with a warrant or other legal order. The NSA is known to collect metadata en masse, and has sometimes inserted its own backdoors into servers and routers.
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  • Reply 1 of 44
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 12,534member
    Given that Apples phones are also made in China they aren't anymore secure.    It might take a bit of work but installation of compromised chips is entirely possible
  • Reply 2 of 44
    The Hypocrisy !!! FBI, CIA and NSA state "Don't let Huawei into our country, since their back-doors, could infiltrate our telecommunications!" "We should be the only ones privy to back-doors in our country, because we only spy on our telecommunications for good reasons, Believe Me !" Go Apple !!
    edited February 14 singularitywatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 44
    Can't really blame the intelligence community with all the espionage the Chinese government does. I would trust Huawei or ZTE. 
  • Reply 4 of 44
    wizard69 said:
    Given that Apples phones are also made in China they aren't anymore secure.    It might take a bit of work but installation of compromised chips is entirely possible
    The "bit of work" it might take would vastly exceed Apple's effort in designing the A-Family processors in the first place. Any clone would have to completely replicate any security structures in the chip, and correctly respond to test vectors that Apple wouldn't likely reveal to anyone. Any organization capable of mounting such an offense would already be so far ahead of the US that we'd have seen the effects by now.
    tmayStrangeDaysradarthekatfracvukasikajony0watto_cobraHerbivore2
  • Reply 5 of 44
    I don’t think cheap Android fans will care. 
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  • Reply 6 of 44
    wizard69 said:
    Given that Apples phones are also made in China they aren't anymore secure.    It might take a bit of work but installation of compromised chips is entirely possible
    It's more than just selling phones for Huawei. They want to get into the lucrative telecom equipment market in the U.S. as well. Carriers here spend over 30 billion a year in telecom equipment. 
    tmaywatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 44
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 3,900member
    wizard69 said:
    Given that Apples phones are also made in China they aren't anymore secure.    It might take a bit of work but installation of compromised chips is entirely possible
    Are you fcking serious? iPhone is assembled in China, not made in China, 2 different things. The hardware and software are designed by Apple in California. If a company can reverse engineer the hardware design including chip fabrication or such, that company would rule the world. Who can get that secret of the chip design with billions of transistors and other electronic components in particular assembly? I doubt any can even do 10% of that.
    edited February 14 tmayStrangeDayswelshdogradarthekatvukasikajony0watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 44
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 1,720member
    Since smartphone is essentially a computer, why the spy agencies don't advise banning imports of Chinese made PCs? 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 44
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 1,720member
    What happens if Chinese government copycats US government banning iPhones? 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 44
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 3,900member
    tzeshan said:
    Since smartphone is essentially a computer, why the spy agencies don't advise banning imports of Chinese made PCs? 
    First ask Google. Without Google's open source/iOS copycat, Android, no fcking Chinese made phone can even advance this far.
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  • Reply 11 of 44
    People don’t remember that Ed Snowden revealed the FBI was intercepting technology mid-flight on the way to customers so they could install spy devices before the delivery reached the customer?

    Short memories these days.

    Also, I agree Chinese government tied companies are a security and spying risk.
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  • Reply 12 of 44
    wizard69 said:
    Given that Apples phones are also made in China they aren't anymore secure.    It might take a bit of work but installation of compromised chips is entirely possible
    Not even close to the same thing.
    StrangeDaysradarthekatvukasikawatto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 44
    tzeshantzeshan Posts: 1,720member
    Exaggerating security risk is an ideology propaganda. First of all, what kind of risk China poses on US citizens? The spy agencies must first define the risks before they can deduce anything and arrive on any consequence. To be honest there are many people in the US pose more severe risk to American citizens. The US government and spy agencies chose to ignore this more severe risk. We do have many police in the name of protecting citizens. The truth is the police are dispatched only after people have been murdered. 
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  • Reply 14 of 44
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,029member
    wizard69 said:
    Given that Apples phones are also made in China they aren't anymore secure.    It might take a bit of work but installation of compromised chips is entirely possible

    Ridiculous post. "A bit of work"? Understatement of the century. Somehow installing "compromised chips" which Apple nor anyone else somehow wouldn't notice? iOS and iPhone silicon is 100% designed in the US. Every single stage of iPhone manufacturing is routinely triple checked by multiple parties. How vast would the conspiracy need to be? Foxconn executives would also need to be involved. And what about the software? This would also need to be modified. This would need to be such a massive, complex, and covert operation to the point of utter impossibility. 

    So yeah, pretty shitty equivalency you're trying to pull there, compared to Huawei, a 100% Chinese company that is in FULL control of their hardware and OS. 
    edited February 14 StrangeDaysradarthekatvukasikawatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 44
    thedbathedba Posts: 444member
    tzeshan said:
    Exaggerating security risk is an ideology propaganda. First of all, what kind of risk China poses on US citizens? The spy agencies must first define the risks before they can deduce anything and arrive on any consequence. To be honest there are many people in the US pose more severe risk to American citizens. The US government and spy agencies chose to ignore this more severe risk. We do have many police in the name of protecting citizens. The truth is the police are dispatched only after people have been murdered. 
    You are correct. 
    This is nothing more than political posturing disguised as security risks for the average American citizen. 
    It's also quite funny to see FBI in there who not so long ago were asking Apple to build a back door into their OS for "just one phone". 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 44
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 2,370member
    Since IBM sold its personal computer division to Lenovo, I would never buy another ThinkPad.  Fortunately Apple transitioned to Intel processors at about the same time.  And good riddance Windows!
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  • Reply 17 of 44
    but how else are we supposed to get our fried chicken phones!?


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  • Reply 18 of 44

    wizard69 said:
    Given that Apples phones are also made in China they aren't anymore secure.    It might take a bit of work but installation of compromised chips is entirely possible
    Source for your claim? I imagine between apple’s custom silicon work, procurement process, oversight, and OS-level control that Apple’s phones are indeed more secure. 
    edited February 14 watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 44
    Government’s have a right to forbid government employees from using devices & software that aren’t approved (see Kaspersky) but there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of wrongdoing.  This smells more like politics, rather than a threat to consumers.

    There is no question there are cyber security threats coming out of China and Russia, but I’d like evidence before I malign specific company’s.

    To be clear, I’m fine if the US government concluded the risk was to high for devices that contain “Top Secret” information. But for my personal phone... I’m not going to worry about it.
  • Reply 20 of 44
    “a bit of work”  :D
    StrangeDayswatto_cobra
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