Last time I checked, Apple paid 3 Billion a year to Google to be the default search engine - you know one of those companies where the "consumer is the product".
Now where does that put Apple? Aren't they selling their customers to Google? What is the difference?
Other way around. Google paid Apple.
As it said in another article we did on the topic today, Apple doesn't curate privacy policies. They make sure that the company does what it says it will do, regardless of how good or bad that is for the user.
Last time I checked, Apple paid 3 Billion a year to Google to be the default search engine - you know one of those companies where the "consumer is the product".
Now where does that put Apple? Aren't they selling their customers to Google? What is the difference?
Other way around. Google paid Apple.
Thanks, fixed!
Point still stands: what's the difference between targeting users directly with ads or getting the equivalent income by selling the right to target Apple customers to Google?
Note, that I don't have any problem with targeted ads and I think the line "you are the product" is being thrown around indiscriminately.
Last time I checked, Apple paid 3 Billion a year to Google to be the default search engine - you know one of those companies where the "consumer is the product".
Now where does that put Apple? Aren't they selling their customers to Google? What is the difference?
Other way around. Google paid Apple.
As it said in another article we did on the topic today, Apple doesn't curate privacy policies. They make sure that the company does what it says it will do, regardless of how good or bad that is for the user.
Oh please!
It would be no problem at all for Apple to make the default search anonymized. They would simply request Bing and Google to submit bids for anonymized default search where the user has to opt in to logging with a Google account.
This would be less attractive to Bing and Google and Apple might receive only 1 instead of 3 billion Dollars a year. But would be perfectly possible for Apple to implement.
So I think it's disingenuous to claim that Apple isn't selling their users. Of course they do, just using an intermediary.
Last time I checked, Apple paid 3 Billion a year to Google to be the default search engine - you know one of those companies where the "consumer is the product".
Now where does that put Apple? Aren't they selling their customers to Google? What is the difference?
Other way around. Google paid Apple.
As it said in another article we did on the topic today, Apple doesn't curate privacy policies. They make sure that the company does what it says it will do, regardless of how good or bad that is for the user.
Oh please!
It would be no problem at all for Apple to make the default search anonymized. They would simply request Bing and Google to submit bids for anonymized default search where the user has to opt in to logging with a Google account.
This would be less attractive to Bing and Google and Apple might receive only 1 instead of 3 billion Dollars a year. But would be perfectly possible for Apple to implement.
So I think it's disingenuous to claim that Apple isn't selling their users. Of course they do, just using an intermediary.
Talk to Tim Cook about it.
That said, what's the user's burden of responsibility on this? Using Google as a default search engine doesn't preclude the user from changing that, or using incognito mode on Safari.
Well well well. My Apple Watch 3 fall and the screen was broken. 367 new. 240 for a replacement screen. Unavailable from third parties. If that is not monetizing the customer ...
So... Now you have insurance to cover that event happening again? No? Then more fool you.
I dropped my iPhone. The screen cracked and my household contents insurance covered the repair. Accidents do happen in real life. As the Scouts motto says, 'Be Prepared'.
The Guardian (in UK) has some of the best coverage for a general newspaper. Many of the top read pieces in US version are on privacy and surveillance, specifically with regard to FB and GOOGL. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/28/all-the-data-facebook-google-has-on-you-privacy
Rogifan a day or so ago posted results of a survey—similar to one I saw months ago— indicating consumer trust in Amazon and Google is higher than in Apple and Facebook. I’ve not seen details like methodology. But been scratching my head why Apple is not far and away the most trusted among this group. Perhaps much of it due to coverage long ago by Diane Sawyer ABC News on how iPhone tracked her travel, and more recently with the nude photos of celebs who had poor passwords. Anything else plausible?
It’s important for Tim Cook to address this, if those surveys are legit. A goal might be to get Apple back on top in these polls.
How many lost sales due to misperception of Apple as untrustworthy? FB snafu has finally introduced it big time to the masses. It’s time for Mr. Cook and team to capitalize, in positive tone, pro-Apple rather than anti-FB. With savvy AI and smart assistants, privacy, trust, security is an issue that will only gain prominence in future.
Much of it has to do with the "never Apple" crowd.
Exactly. Probably most of the 50% who don't trust Apple have an Android device. In fact in real life ( where I never really get involved in the OS wars) I did have a row a year or so ago with a colleague of mine - a bit of an Android fanatic - who called me naive for thinking that Apple wasn't collecting as much data as Google. No argument would persuade him. That Apple had no reason to make money from data as it wasn't Ad driven, that there were clear restrictions in the SDK even regards getting the MAC address of the device, or other devices on the network. Nothing worked. Its tribal.
It does show that most people don't care though. I also think giving up google search is much harder than giving up most other things. And for Android users, it would mean moving to iOS, which for many isn't going to happen.
Of course as now google is not facing the same scrutiny as FB.
In a bit of good news for Facebook users (assuming Facebook follows thru which they sometimes don't) they say they will stop cross-sharing your data with major aggregators like Acxiom and Experian that allowed them to better target ads, augmenting what Facebook "knows" with those companies even more personally identifiable data. While they shared money with those two for "services rendered" the risk isn't worth the reward any more, altho they aren't cutting ties entirely according to Re/code who reported the story.
Off-topic, if Google is doing anything along those lines at all for their own ad services, and there's zero indication that they do (believe me I've been looking), I would hope and expect them to make an immediate review of their own and discontinue iffy partnerships that might be in place. In fact if ANY company has some iffy partnerships that would raise eyebrows with the public they should be proactive in reviewing them sooner rather than later. There's a whole lotta people looking....
Wow, Tim Cook's answer to that question surprised me. I had him pegged as politically left on everything, but the idea that no regulation is perferred until proven otherwise is more of a right position. Perhaps he's a libertarian favoring free markets and free social values both.
And you believe them? To quote someone relevant (and with no personal intent meant), “Dumb fuck.”
That quote sounds suspiciously like what... oh, let’s just call him “Zark Muckerberg”... might have said about his users when he started his company... let’s just call it “Bacefook”.
Wow, Tim Cook's answer to that question surprised me. I had him pegged as politically left on everything, but the idea that no regulation is perferred until proven otherwise is more of a right position. Perhaps he's a libertarian favoring free markets and free social values both.
Advertising is part of vibrant economies spurring commerce for hundreds of years. (Check out ads in Benjamin Franklin's Pennsylvania Gazette.) I'm glad AppleInsider site has connected me with B&H where I've saved hundreds of dollars.
Trying to paint biz model of FB or Google as evil is foolish, especially for a major CEO. Do I think FB, GOOG tracking is excessive? Yes. But I hope this is a catalyst that changes that and gives users more control. Simplifying settings on one page, instead of 20, as FB claimed today appears to be good step. One that others, including Apple, might try to emulate. Now that FB and Googl are allowing downloads of personal surveillance data that should help for better model in years to come.
FB and Google vacuumed up all they could, as in aggressive Wild West era where one wasn't sure what would be valuable. Now it's time for consumers to regain power over surveillance and data. But basic model is still very much valid and quite ingenious imo.
Annoying ads are also poorly targeted ones. Frankly I'd give up a little personal data if I never had to see another ad for psoriasis, catheters, or feminine hygiene pads. ;-)
I'm ok with advertising and getting free services. To me it's basically like watchinf over The Air tv. It was fine for decades to watch that. Even cable channels are subsidized by the advertising they show. The value of that advertising increases as the advertiser can target a narrower demographic. It's just a higher degree on the internet.
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Point still stands: what's the difference between targeting users directly with ads or getting the equivalent income by selling the right to target Apple customers to Google?
Note, that I don't have any problem with targeted ads and I think the line "you are the product" is being thrown around indiscriminately.
It would be no problem at all for Apple to make the default search anonymized. They would simply request Bing and Google to submit bids for anonymized default search where the user has to opt in to logging with a Google account.
This would be less attractive to Bing and Google and Apple might receive only 1 instead of 3 billion Dollars a year. But would be perfectly possible for Apple to implement.
So I think it's disingenuous to claim that Apple isn't selling their users. Of course they do, just using an intermediary.
I dropped my iPhone. The screen cracked and my household contents insurance covered the repair.
Accidents do happen in real life. As the Scouts motto says, 'Be Prepared'.
It does show that most people don't care though. I also think giving up google search is much harder than giving up most other things. And for Android users, it would mean moving to iOS, which for many isn't going to happen.
Of course as now google is not facing the same scrutiny as FB.
Off-topic, if Google is doing anything along those lines at all for their own ad services, and there's zero indication that they do (believe me I've been looking), I would hope and expect them to make an immediate review of their own and discontinue iffy partnerships that might be in place. In fact if ANY company has some iffy partnerships that would raise eyebrows with the public they should be proactive in reviewing them sooner rather than later. There's a whole lotta people looking....
https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/03/29/apple-will-let-users-download-all-icloud-and-apple-id-data-to-comply-with-new-european-rules