Daniel needs to stick to tech. He just doesn't understand marketing. Or, more correctly, he pretends that it either doesn't exist or has no impact.
Yes Daniel, Google is cleaning house in education with their Chomebooks.
No Daniel, they don't have to make money on them.
Google is accomplishing 2 of their goals:
1) Establishing a comfort level with school admins with their products as well as indoctrinating kids with their products and ecosystem. How many grade schoolers now have Google IDs and familiarity with Google Docs and other ecosystem products -- but not with Apple?
2) In education Google's product is the kid and his data. And Google is cleaning house there...
Daniel assumes that superior technology will always win out over marketing strategies and proclaims that it is "proven". Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. If it were, everybody would be running either MacOS or OS2 instead of Windows today. But, despite being superior technologies, both got beat and stayed beat.
Number one assumes the kids actually like using Google’s products. Among our small sample size of kids, they don’t like it, they just use it because it’s there, and administration essentially makes them use it.
Kids don't like using books either... Or taking tests.... Or... But they do because...
Daniel needs to stick to tech. He just doesn't understand marketing. Or, more correctly, he pretends that it either doesn't exist or has no impact.
Yes Daniel, Google is cleaning house in education with their Chomebooks.
No Daniel, they don't have to make money on them.
Google is accomplishing 2 of their goals:
1) Establishing a comfort level with school admins with their products as well as indoctrinating kids with their products and ecosystem. How many grade schoolers now have Google IDs and familiarity with Google Docs and other ecosystem products -- but not with Apple?
2) In education Google's product is the kid and his data. And Google is cleaning house there...
Daniel assumes that superior technology will always win out over marketing strategies and proclaims that it is "proven". Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. If it were, everybody would be running either MacOS or OS2 instead of Windows today. But, despite being superior technologies, both got beat and stayed beat.
Hmm, Apple = tech company pulling in the biggest pile of profit among all tech companies, in the range of $40-50 billion per year for the last bunch of years. Seems like either Apple has superior technology or superior marketing, or both. By the way, technology isn’t either hardware or software. Apple doesn’t have to win in one or the other. It’s the combination of both, and Apple controlling more and more of the technology stack, that defines technology in this context. And Aaple is clearly winning. Unit volumes and overall market share are the arguments of those who don’t understand what’s going on.
Apple is a platform creating monster that’s becoming the de facto standard where it counts, and not concerned so much about the hundreds of millions of users just using a smartphone for Facebook and texting who I pass every day here in the developing world. That market, as Cook pointed out, is the training ground for iOS.
Nice diversion from the topic at hand: Technology in Education!
... It's all true -- but not relevant to the topic.
They don't need facts or reality, they provide their own "reality" that only needs to stand a cursory examination and push the button of existing biases and triggers and to cash in.
Like an Apple Rumors or a Mac Insider site. Not meaning anything bad by it at all, like you said there is definitely a market for that today.
"It's almost as if pundits and ideologues think that ... inventing new catastrophes of doom for Apple Google will sink its success, if only they can repeat themselves enough to make their ideas come true."
Daniel needs to stick to tech. He just doesn't understand marketing. Or, more correctly, he pretends that it either doesn't exist or has no impact.
Yes Daniel, Google is cleaning house in education with their Chomebooks.
No Daniel, they don't have to make money on them.
Google is accomplishing 2 of their goals:
1) Establishing a comfort level with school admins with their products as well as indoctrinating kids with their products and ecosystem. How many grade schoolers now have Google IDs and familiarity with Google Docs and other ecosystem products -- but not with Apple?
2) In education Google's product is the kid and his data. And Google is cleaning house there...
Daniel assumes that superior technology will always win out over marketing strategies and proclaims that it is "proven". Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. If it were, everybody would be running either MacOS or OS2 instead of Windows today. But, despite being superior technologies, both got beat and stayed beat.
Number one assumes the kids actually like using Google’s products. Among our small sample size of kids, they don’t like it, they just use it because it’s there, and administration essentially makes them use it.
Kids don't like using books either... Or taking tests.... Or... But they do because...
... So, what's your point?
The point is if you can give a student something they like using and can do more than just Google Classroom then students will be more engaged. They will like going to school and doing fun projects, not just writing papers and doing misc crap because of the massive limitations of Google Crapbooks. You have to be creative to be an educator and Google just doesn't provide that versus what Apple offers.
Another thing is you can give a student an iPad and let them make it their own and still manage it successfully. Then, they feel a sense of ownership and will appreciate the device more, especially if its something they'll be assigned for the next 2-3yrs.
This kinda reminds me of the Netbook era where everyone bitched and whined because Apple wasn't participating in the Netbook era and we heard the same crap about how Apple was gonna get its lunch eaten if they didn't have a cheap Mac and Apple refused to give in which pissed people off even more. In the end, Apple was right and that era was a fad and everyone who fell for it was left with a cheap POS paperweight and had to go get a real device in the end. So where was the savings? Apple had its strategy and it stuck to it and won.
We tried in these Netbooks in our school as a small pilot and they were a massive failure for many reasons. I can see Google Crapbooks being the same down the road.
"April Fools" then continues to post links to his own previous articles.
DED, you need to relax a little and stop being so defensive on everything.
How many times does this have to be said? No. One. Else. Is. Calling. Out. The. Media. The whole point of DED articles is to defend against what no one else (except the Macalope) will call out as the preposterousness that it is. The whole point of the article is to be defensive, because most normal tech media attacks Apple all the time and builds up these false narratives.
Except that DED isn't using facts. He's building his own false narratives to fit his own needs.
The regular media is NOT attacking Apple, they just aren't always shining Apple as being flawless and that rubs DED the wrong way. It's a FACT that Siri is falling behind, it's a FACT that Chromebooks never went after the enterprise market (why would they? What enterprise is going to go for a web browser based OS? It makes no sense at all).
This article is so self serving that it's not even funny.
What reality do you live in? I follow the tech industry on on a daily basis. 99% of everything Apple does is crapped on out of the gate by the vast majority of the tech media, followed by a negative analyst opinion piece, that is then reposted by the other news outlets general and financial over and over until the click rates decline. I earn a lot of my income by waiting for Apple to release tech, evaluate what it means long term (basically in one or two days), then purchase LEAPS while the media piles on their doom and gloom predictions. On average it takes 6 months to a year for the media to be proven wrong and to have this reflected in the stock price. Can’t do this with Microsoft or Google because no one cares if their tech fails or succeeds (in fact failure is almost to be expected), so there is little to no coverage or market manipulation and there is no corresponding stock drop to take advantage of.
Is it a FACT (not sure why all caps is needed here) that Siri is behind? Most used, Siri. Widest install base, Siri. On a profitable platform, Siri. A voice assistant is a secondary technology, always has been ... probably always will be. Apple understands this and as such realizes it is likely only to be used in specific scenarios: in the car, on home speaker to play music, on Apple TV to ease text entry. In these scenarios it functions extremely well. Siri has been surpassed by its competitors in use cases that don’t really exist in the real world.
Again is it a FACT (Facticous Apple Countering Tale? still not sure on the all caps) chromebooks never went after enterprise? Got anything to directly support this statement. Absolutely correct it makes no sense for an web browser based OS to go after enterprise, much like it make zero sense to continue a platform that actively loses money but here we are non the less.
99%?
Be realistic. That isn't the case. I think you are being over sensitive.
Apple had over a decade of praise and was even the darling of the mainstream press.
Things have changed and other companies have come to equal or better Apple in areas it was once praised. That doesn't mean 99% crap on Apple. Some do, of course but that is par for the course. If you look, you will find people crapping on everyone else too. Just be more selective in where you get your tech news from and you will see a different picture.
Daniel needs to stick to tech. He just doesn't understand marketing. Or, more correctly, he pretends that it either doesn't exist or has no impact.
Yes Daniel, Google is cleaning house in education with their Chomebooks.
No Daniel, they don't have to make money on them.
Google is accomplishing 2 of their goals:
1) Establishing a comfort level with school admins with their products as well as indoctrinating kids with their products and ecosystem. How many grade schoolers now have Google IDs and familiarity with Google Docs and other ecosystem products -- but not with Apple?
2) In education Google's product is the kid and his data. And Google is cleaning house there...
Daniel assumes that superior technology will always win out over marketing strategies and proclaims that it is "proven". Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. If it were, everybody would be running either MacOS or OS2 instead of Windows today. But, despite being superior technologies, both got beat and stayed beat.
The first one is OK. The second needs correction.
Google is not monetizing any school child's education data, presenting any ads in a classroom setting, nor placing ads at home based on data connected to their Google for Education account. They do not even permit a child to use their own personal Google account (if they have one) in a classroom setting in order get out ahead of privacy concerns. A personal Google account that a high schooler might have (they don't need one) and one assigned in Google Classroom for education use are entirely separate.
Google derives revenue from charging schools an administrative fee ($30 on every Chromebook purchased) along with GSuite for Education monthly per user fees for administration, faculty, and support staff. There may also be a licensing fee somewhere in there too but not certain.
"April Fools" then continues to post links to his own previous articles.
DED, you need to relax a little and stop being so defensive on everything.
Ah, here come the butthurts....like clockwork when DED tears down your little narratives.
Apple had huge education presence in the ‘90s. It didn’t cause students to not use or buy windows machines in work and life. Yet now the agenda pretends chromebooks will brainwash students. It’s absurdism.
"April Fools" then continues to post links to his own previous articles.
DED, you need to relax a little and stop being so defensive on everything.
How many times does this have to be said? No. One. Else. Is. Calling. Out. The. Media. The whole point of DED articles is to defend against what no one else (except the Macalope) will call out as the preposterousness that it is. The whole point of the article is to be defensive, because most normal tech media attacks Apple all the time and builds up these false narratives.
Except that DED isn't using facts. He's building his own false narratives to fit his own needs.
The regular media is NOT attacking Apple, they just aren't always shining Apple as being flawless and that rubs DED the wrong way. It's a FACT that Siri is falling behind, it's a FACT that Chromebooks never went after the enterprise market (why would they? What enterprise is going to go for a web browser based OS? It makes no sense at all).
This article is so self serving that it's not even funny.
What reality do you live in? I follow the tech industry on on a daily basis. 99% of everything Apple does is crapped on out of the gate by the vast majority of the tech media, followed by a negative analyst opinion piece, that is then reposted by the other news outlets general and financial over and over until the click rates decline. I earn a lot of my income by waiting for Apple to release tech, evaluate what it means long term (basically in one or two days), then purchase LEAPS while the media piles on their doom and gloom predictions. On average it takes 6 months to a year for the media to be proven wrong and to have this reflected in the stock price. Can’t do this with Microsoft or Google because no one cares if their tech fails or succeeds (in fact failure is almost to be expected), so there is little to no coverage or market manipulation and there is no corresponding stock drop to take advantage of.
Is it a FACT (not sure why all caps is needed here) that Siri is behind? Most used, Siri. Widest install base, Siri. On a profitable platform, Siri. A voice assistant is a secondary technology, always has been ... probably always will be. Apple understands this and as such realizes it is likely only to be used in specific scenarios: in the car, on home speaker to play music, on Apple TV to ease text entry. In these scenarios it functions extremely well. Siri has been surpassed by its competitors in use cases that don’t really exist in the real world.
Again is it a FACT (Facticous Apple Countering Tale? still not sure on the all caps) chromebooks never went after enterprise? Got anything to directly support this statement. Absolutely correct it makes no sense for an web browser based OS to go after enterprise, much like it make zero sense to continue a platform that actively loses money but here we are non the less.
Apple had over a decade of praise and was even the darling of the mainstream press.
Things have changed and other companies have come to equal or better Apple in areas it was once praised. That doesn't mean 99% crap on Apple. Some do, of course but that is par for the course. If you look, you will find people crapping on everyone else too. Just be more selective in where you get your tech news from and you will see a different picture.
Delusional nonsense. First because the MSM have indeed constantly been crapping on Apple. Maybe you don’t get much of the news in Spain but here in the US there’s a steady stream of anti Apple narrative in the news, going back many years. Even NPR’s OnPoint did a show about Apple removing the headphone jack and what a disaster this was.
Second, because the knockoffs you prop up haven’t come close to equaling or bettering Apple. they can only copy it. Even your knockoff brand’s designs just look like iphone ripoffs.
2) Siri isn't as useful as is should be. But while others may do some things better, the truth is most people don't want to talk to their computer. Honestly whether the system is running Cortana, Google, Alexa, or Siri, I know of no one that uses voice as their first option. Siri may be falling behind, but none of them are really powerful enough to do what I want.
I use it often actually but then I need to use it. As a motorcycle based mail delivery agent (postie) I’m wrapped up in motorcycle gear including gloves so accessing anything with gloves on is pretty much impossible. Siri on the other hand allows me to call people, send text messages, or answer the phone without taking my gloves off... when I’m stopped at a mailbox that is, not while riding because that’s stupid.
There are many cases where Siri makes a lot of sense so don’t write it off as no one uses it. It works really well for me to and fails less than it succeeds for me and I’m a Kiwi and we’re mocked for our accent.
I don't normally do anything like that when I'm on my Motorcycle. I do, however, because I'm a growing Homekit house, use Siri to Open/Close my garage door. Siri works great. I have my Bluetooth in my Helmet and can go "Hey Siri, Open Garage as I'm a block away so that I can just pull up my driveway and right into my garage. I have my Garage door linked to my garage lights using Apple's HOME app. So that when the door opens, the lights go on and when it closes the lights go off. Gives me a ton more light than what I get from the opener alone. When I'm around my house, I'm using my Apple Watch to turn on/off lights and adjust the temp, and soon I hope to be able to open and close my blinds. Right now I have to use an app, but there's a hub coming out for it. I took my 5-year-old 2" blinds and automated them.
Having a Google Mini and Alexa Dot, I play around with them and with Siri at the same time and for the most part, Siri holds it's own. Alexa has a ton of skills. Most you would never use. But they only work IF you activate the skill. Like my Ecobee 4 with Alexa built in. it was completely clueless about the Ecobee 4 it was actually in. I had to also activate the Ecobee Plus Skill. You know what is the easiest to use for voice control on the Ecobee 4? Siri or Google!!!
Alexa, you have to say things exactly right otherwise it's clueless. So you have to remember each and everything you want to use perfectly. You have to TELL IT or ASK IT to do what you want. Alexa is overrated. I do like the Blue Ring, or the Blue Bar on Alexa as you can easily see that it's waiting for you to say something. Google's 4 little dots are hard to make out. Using Siri on my iPad, I see nothing. That's now I'm testing the three of them. I don't have a HomePod, but I'm sure the display on top isn't that noticeable either.
As for ChromeOS. It's not really going anywhere. Yes, it's in many K-12 schools. Schools in the U.S.!!!! Outside the U.S., they don't exist. The iPad is pretty popular. Back in my days in High School, it was the Apple II in the computer room. What you may use in school really doesn't mean that's what you're going to continue to use outside of school. Hell once you get into College, do you really think you're still using Chromebooks or have you now moved to MacOS, Windows or maybe an iPad? I also think it's a disservice to have kids learn to use a Chromebook in K-12 and be at a disadvantage once they are out and now have to completely learn how to use Windows or MacOS.
What College uses Chromebooks? What Business would use one? I know here, we have mostly Windows, though we do have 1 person using a Mac Mini and there are a couple Linux computers. Hell, we still have a working Mac Server, though we now also have a Windows 8 Server. Not a single Chromebook. Google's high-end Pixelbook has been a failure.
I have my custom built Windows 10 PC. I got a Mic for it, just to use Cortana. I can count on my hand the number of times I've used it. It's easier to just use the Keyboard and mouse because it fails to do what I had asked, wasting my time. Siri works much better than most people think or give credit. It's been great on my Apple Watch. It's good enough that I can use Siri to enter passwords on my Apple TV. Is it as good as Google, No because Apple is not gathering all this info on you to smarten it up. But it can do more than you think. Playing around with Siri, Google, and Alexa in asking questions, the questions I asked, they all got them right. I actually liked Siri a bit better on some of the answers as it seemed more of a human response.
DED, I am going to steal your Nickel and Dime metaphor, I like metaphors like this since it shows what is really happen verse in spite of what the person is really claiming.
This is like checklist buying habits of consumers, People would buy the product with the longer list of feature since they thought they were getting more for less money when in fact they got a nickel worth 5 cents. Apple successfully changed this buying mentality. I do not think Wall Street will ever change, they still think the more you sell (stacks of Nickels) mean more than how much you make and put into the bank.
"April Fools" then continues to post links to his own previous articles.
DED, you need to relax a little and stop being so defensive on everything.
How many times does this have to be said? No. One. Else. Is. Calling. Out. The. Media. The whole point of DED articles is to defend against what no one else (except the Macalope) will call out as the preposterousness that it is. The whole point of the article is to be defensive, because most normal tech media attacks Apple all the time and builds up these false narratives.
Except that DED isn't using facts. He's building his own false narratives to fit his own needs.
The regular media is NOT attacking Apple, they just aren't always shining Apple as being flawless and that rubs DED the wrong way. It's a FACT that Siri is falling behind, it's a FACT that Chromebooks never went after the enterprise market (why would they? What enterprise is going to go for a web browser based OS? It makes no sense at all).
This article is so self serving that it's not even funny.
What reality do you live in? I follow the tech industry on on a daily basis. 99% of everything Apple does is crapped on out of the gate by the vast majority of the tech media, followed by a negative analyst opinion piece, that is then reposted by the other news outlets general and financial over and over until the click rates decline. I earn a lot of my income by waiting for Apple to release tech, evaluate what it means long term (basically in one or two days), then purchase LEAPS while the media piles on their doom and gloom predictions. On average it takes 6 months to a year for the media to be proven wrong and to have this reflected in the stock price. Can’t do this with Microsoft or Google because no one cares if their tech fails or succeeds (in fact failure is almost to be expected), so there is little to no coverage or market manipulation and there is no corresponding stock drop to take advantage of.
Is it a FACT (not sure why all caps is needed here) that Siri is behind? Most used, Siri. Widest install base, Siri. On a profitable platform, Siri. A voice assistant is a secondary technology, always has been ... probably always will be. Apple understands this and as such realizes it is likely only to be used in specific scenarios: in the car, on home speaker to play music, on Apple TV to ease text entry. In these scenarios it functions extremely well. Siri has been surpassed by its competitors in use cases that don’t really exist in the real world.
Again is it a FACT (Facticous Apple Countering Tale? still not sure on the all caps) chromebooks never went after enterprise? Got anything to directly support this statement. Absolutely correct it makes no sense for an web browser based OS to go after enterprise, much like it make zero sense to continue a platform that actively loses money but here we are non the less.
Apple had over a decade of praise and was even the darling of the mainstream press.
Things have changed and other companies have come to equal or better Apple in areas it was once praised. That doesn't mean 99% crap on Apple. Some do, of course but that is par for the course. If you look, you will find people crapping on everyone else too. Just be more selective in where you get your tech news from and you will see a different picture.
Delusional nonsense. First because the MSM have indeed constantly been crapping on Apple. Maybe you don’t get much of the news in Spain but here in the US there’s a steady stream of anti Apple narrative in the news, going back many years. Even NPR’s OnPoint did a show about Apple removing the headphone jack and what a disaster this was.
Second, because the knockoffs you prop up haven’t come close to equaling or bettering Apple. they can only copy it. Even your knockoff brand’s designs just look like iphone ripoffs.
Totally false.
From the moment the iPod took off, Apple was the darling of the the mainstream press, garnering praise even when it wasn't due (something I can live with because we don't set the tech bar as high for those news outlets).
My location has little bearing here as my news come from around the globe.
"Second, because the knockoffs you prop up haven’t comeclosetoequalingorbettering Apple. they can only copy it. Even your knockoff brand’s designs just look like iphone ripoffs"
It is so ironic that you bring this up yet again.
The Mate 10 series did just that last year. Open your eyes!
Now, just last week the P20 series was announced and pitted (as is logical) directly against both the iPhone X and the S9 series during the presentation.
Both phones were treated with great respect in ALL the initial P20 reports I have read but the only complaint I have seen so far was from an Apple centric site that took issue with Huawei comparing its P20 series results directly with those from an iPhone X and making it look poor.
AI hasn't mentioned the announcement yet and neither have I, as I prefer to see the results of consolidated testing (and understand this site is Apple centric) but the iPhone X is getting absolutelymurdered in early first impressions. Now you force me to point this out.
Just one snippet from Engadget:
"Nighttime shooting was another situation where the P20 Pro shone. As I mentioned in passing during my preview, the phone comes with long-exposure modes that don't require tripods. From what I've been told, it combines the Kirin NPU chip to chew over long-exposure captures and bring them all together, with the high-megapixel primary shooter doing a lot of the legwork.
The results were often jaw-dropping
...
In comparison, taking the same shots on my iPhone X resulted in noisy, hazy photos. Pretty, but simply not as good. Meanwhile, look at the detail on the Eiffel Tower's cross-struts above: It's impressive as heck"
Daniel needs to stick to tech. He just doesn't understand marketing. Or, more correctly, he pretends that it either doesn't exist or has no impact.
Yes Daniel, Google is cleaning house in education with their Chomebooks.
No Daniel, they don't have to make money on them.
Google is accomplishing 2 of their goals:
1) Establishing a comfort level with school admins with their products as well as indoctrinating kids with their products and ecosystem. How many grade schoolers now have Google IDs and familiarity with Google Docs and other ecosystem products -- but not with Apple?
2) In education Google's product is the kid and his data. And Google is cleaning house there...
Daniel assumes that superior technology will always win out over marketing strategies and proclaims that it is "proven". Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. If it were, everybody would be running either MacOS or OS2 instead of Windows today. But, despite being superior technologies, both got beat and stayed beat.
Number one assumes the kids actually like using Google’s products. Among our small sample size of kids, they don’t like it, they just use it because it’s there, and administration essentially makes them use it.
Kids don't like using books either... Or taking tests.... Or... But they do because...
... So, what's your point?
The point is if you can give a student something they like using and can do more than just Google Classroom then students will be more engaged. They will like going to school and doing fun projects, not just writing papers and doing misc crap because of the massive limitations of Google Crapbooks. You have to be creative to be an educator and Google just doesn't provide that versus what Apple offers.
Another thing is you can give a student an iPad and let them make it their own and still manage it successfully. Then, they feel a sense of ownership and will appreciate the device more, especially if its something they'll be assigned for the next 2-3yrs.
This kinda reminds me of the Netbook era where everyone bitched and whined because Apple wasn't participating in the Netbook era and we heard the same crap about how Apple was gonna get its lunch eaten if they didn't have a cheap Mac and Apple refused to give in which pissed people off even more. In the end, Apple was right and that era was a fad and everyone who fell for it was left with a cheap POS paperweight and had to go get a real device in the end. So where was the savings? Apple had its strategy and it stuck to it and won.
We tried in these Netbooks in our school as a small pilot and they were a massive failure for many reasons. I can see Google Crapbooks being the same down the road.
OK -- good points. Except for the last. Chromebooks and the cheap Windows seem to be doing quite well.
As your main points about engaging students -- there is only so much one can do with arithmetic, math, algebra, etc... But, the iPad does have more flexibility in that area.
Daniel needs to stick to tech. He just doesn't understand marketing. Or, more correctly, he pretends that it either doesn't exist or has no impact.
Yes Daniel, Google is cleaning house in education with their Chomebooks.
No Daniel, they don't have to make money on them.
Google is accomplishing 2 of their goals:
1) Establishing a comfort level with school admins with their products as well as indoctrinating kids with their products and ecosystem. How many grade schoolers now have Google IDs and familiarity with Google Docs and other ecosystem products -- but not with Apple?
2) In education Google's product is the kid and his data. And Google is cleaning house there...
Daniel assumes that superior technology will always win out over marketing strategies and proclaims that it is "proven". Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. If it were, everybody would be running either MacOS or OS2 instead of Windows today. But, despite being superior technologies, both got beat and stayed beat.
beat? stayed beat?
What did you drink? We’re not in the 90s anymore...
People use iOS, which is the tablet computer and pocket computer variant of macOS because it is a superior technology to Windows. Windows is non-existant on these new devices. If marketing were essential Bberry or Windows CE would still dominate. If in that shrinking PC market of last years macOS can still grow that shows it is not beaten in any way.
Daniel needs to stick to tech. He just doesn't understand marketing. Or, more correctly, he pretends that it either doesn't exist or has no impact.
Yes Daniel, Google is cleaning house in education with their Chomebooks.
No Daniel, they don't have to make money on them.
Google is accomplishing 2 of their goals:
1) Establishing a comfort level with school admins with their products as well as indoctrinating kids with their products and ecosystem. How many grade schoolers now have Google IDs and familiarity with Google Docs and other ecosystem products -- but not with Apple?
2) In education Google's product is the kid and his data. And Google is cleaning house there...
Daniel assumes that superior technology will always win out over marketing strategies and proclaims that it is "proven". Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. If it were, everybody would be running either MacOS or OS2 instead of Windows today. But, despite being superior technologies, both got beat and stayed beat.
The first one is OK. The second needs correction.
Google is not monetizing any school child's education data, presenting any ads in a classroom setting, nor placing ads at home based on data connected to their Google for Education account. They do not even permit a child to use their own personal Google account (if they have one) in a classroom setting in order get out ahead of privacy concerns. A personal Google account that a high schooler might have (they don't need one) and one assigned in Google Classroom for education use are entirely separate.
Google derives revenue from charging schools an administrative fee ($30 on every Chromebook purchased) along with GSuite for Education monthly per user fees for administration, faculty, and support staff. There may also be a licensing fee somewhere in there too but not certain.
Your faith in Google is admirable...
Isn't that the same company that went around collecting everybody's WiFi data, stored it on their servers -- and then when they got busted said: "Who? What? Did I do that? Must have been a rogue programmer!"
I trust Google about as much as I trust Cambridge Analytica. They're both mercenaries in the business of selling information about those poor souls who stumble into their web.
Microsoft‘s Surface Hardware is cool, and in several ways more interesting than Apple‘s offerings, e.g. the stupid MacBook PRO, that maxes out at 16GB RAM and 2TB storage, when even Apple’s own MBP from a few years ago already had 16MB RAM, and can take 8TB SSD, as if real PRO users give a damn about how “thin” their stupid machines are; if they’ve did, they’d be in the market for MB Airs.
A pro user wants to see 32-64GB ECC RAM and 4+TB storage capacity, and slots for media cards without external periphery.
Says you. Most of Apple’s pros are software developers (per Craig), and as a pro dev I can tell you I don’t care about the things you claim I do. I can run all the IDEs and VMs I need on the very portable, lightweight MBP. My work resides in source control so I don’t need a shit-ton of local storage. And I never use media cards, especially consumer formats like SD. I occasionally use CF from my pro-sumer camera but a SD slot is useless there.
Daniel needs to stick to tech. He just doesn't understand marketing. Or, more correctly, he pretends that it either doesn't exist or has no impact.
Yes Daniel, Google is cleaning house in education with their Chomebooks.
No Daniel, they don't have to make money on them.
Google is accomplishing 2 of their goals:
1) Establishing a comfort level with school admins with their products as well as indoctrinating kids with their products and ecosystem. How many grade schoolers now have Google IDs and familiarity with Google Docs and other ecosystem products -- but not with Apple?
Again, “indoctrinating” kids is a myth. Otherwise we’d all have been using Apple products since they were common place growing up. Even in later generations the DOS PCs were common yet no one uses DOS today. Acorn in the UK, etc. The notion that in 20 years you’ll use what you used in grade school is absurd.
This is all just nonsense. Nobody cared about Apple’s presence in education until it became a news cycle story in the DOOM narrative machine recently. You’ll stop caring once it falls off rotation.
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Like an Apple Rumors or a Mac Insider site. Not meaning anything bad by it at all, like you said there is definitely a market for that today.
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Another thing is you can give a student an iPad and let them make it their own and still manage it successfully. Then, they feel a sense of ownership and will appreciate the device more, especially if its something they'll be assigned for the next 2-3yrs.
This kinda reminds me of the Netbook era where everyone bitched and whined because Apple wasn't participating in the Netbook era and we heard the same crap about how Apple was gonna get its lunch eaten if they didn't have a cheap Mac and Apple refused to give in which pissed people off even more. In the end, Apple was right and that era was a fad and everyone who fell for it was left with a cheap POS paperweight and had to go get a real device in the end. So where was the savings? Apple had its strategy and it stuck to it and won.
We tried in these Netbooks in our school as a small pilot and they were a massive failure for many reasons. I can see Google Crapbooks being the same down the road.
Google is not monetizing any school child's education data, presenting any ads in a classroom setting, nor placing ads at home based on data connected to their Google for Education account. They do not even permit a child to use their own personal Google account (if they have one) in a classroom setting in order get out ahead of privacy concerns. A personal Google account that a high schooler might have (they don't need one) and one assigned in Google Classroom for education use are entirely separate.
Google derives revenue from charging schools an administrative fee ($30 on every Chromebook purchased) along with GSuite for Education monthly per user fees for administration, faculty, and support staff. There may also be a licensing fee somewhere in there too but not certain.
Apple had huge education presence in the ‘90s. It didn’t cause students to not use or buy windows machines in work and life. Yet now the agenda pretends chromebooks will brainwash students. It’s absurdism.
Anything to bag on Apple tho huh.
Delusional nonsense. First because the MSM have indeed constantly been crapping on Apple. Maybe you don’t get much of the news in Spain but here in the US there’s a steady stream of anti Apple narrative in the news, going back many years. Even NPR’s OnPoint did a show about Apple removing the headphone jack and what a disaster this was.
Second, because the knockoffs you prop up haven’t come close to equaling or bettering Apple. they can only copy it. Even your knockoff brand’s designs just look like iphone ripoffs.
I don't normally do anything like that when I'm on my Motorcycle. I do, however, because I'm a growing Homekit house, use Siri to Open/Close my garage door. Siri works great. I have my Bluetooth in my Helmet and can go "Hey Siri, Open Garage as I'm a block away so that I can just pull up my driveway and right into my garage. I have my Garage door linked to my garage lights using Apple's HOME app. So that when the door opens, the lights go on and when it closes the lights go off. Gives me a ton more light than what I get from the opener alone. When I'm around my house, I'm using my Apple Watch to turn on/off lights and adjust the temp, and soon I hope to be able to open and close my blinds. Right now I have to use an app, but there's a hub coming out for it. I took my 5-year-old 2" blinds and automated them.
Having a Google Mini and Alexa Dot, I play around with them and with Siri at the same time and for the most part, Siri holds it's own. Alexa has a ton of skills. Most you would never use. But they only work IF you activate the skill. Like my Ecobee 4 with Alexa built in. it was completely clueless about the Ecobee 4 it was actually in. I had to also activate the Ecobee Plus Skill. You know what is the easiest to use for voice control on the Ecobee 4? Siri or Google!!!
Alexa, you have to say things exactly right otherwise it's clueless. So you have to remember each and everything you want to use perfectly. You have to TELL IT or ASK IT to do what you want. Alexa is overrated. I do like the Blue Ring, or the Blue Bar on Alexa as you can easily see that it's waiting for you to say something. Google's 4 little dots are hard to make out. Using Siri on my iPad, I see nothing. That's now I'm testing the three of them. I don't have a HomePod, but I'm sure the display on top isn't that noticeable either.
As for ChromeOS. It's not really going anywhere. Yes, it's in many K-12 schools. Schools in the U.S.!!!! Outside the U.S., they don't exist. The iPad is pretty popular. Back in my days in High School, it was the Apple II in the computer room. What you may use in school really doesn't mean that's what you're going to continue to use outside of school. Hell once you get into College, do you really think you're still using Chromebooks or have you now moved to MacOS, Windows or maybe an iPad? I also think it's a disservice to have kids learn to use a Chromebook in K-12 and be at a disadvantage once they are out and now have to completely learn how to use Windows or MacOS.
What College uses Chromebooks? What Business would use one? I know here, we have mostly Windows, though we do have 1 person using a Mac Mini and there are a couple Linux computers. Hell, we still have a working Mac Server, though we now also have a Windows 8 Server. Not a single Chromebook. Google's high-end Pixelbook has been a failure.
I have my custom built Windows 10 PC. I got a Mic for it, just to use Cortana. I can count on my hand the number of times I've used it. It's easier to just use the Keyboard and mouse because it fails to do what I had asked, wasting my time. Siri works much better than most people think or give credit. It's been great on my Apple Watch. It's good enough that I can use Siri to enter passwords on my Apple TV. Is it as good as Google, No because Apple is not gathering all this info on you to smarten it up. But it can do more than you think. Playing around with Siri, Google, and Alexa in asking questions, the questions I asked, they all got them right. I actually liked Siri a bit better on some of the answers as it seemed more of a human response.
This is like checklist buying habits of consumers, People would buy the product with the longer list of feature since they thought they were getting more for less money when in fact they got a nickel worth 5 cents. Apple successfully changed this buying mentality. I do not think Wall Street will ever change, they still think the more you sell (stacks of Nickels) mean more than how much you make and put into the bank.
From the moment the iPod took off, Apple was the darling of the the mainstream press, garnering praise even when it wasn't due (something I can live with because we don't set the tech bar as high for those news outlets).
My location has little bearing here as my news come from around the globe.
"Second, because the knockoffs you prop up haven’t come close to equaling or bettering Apple. they can only copy it. Even your knockoff brand’s designs just look like iphone ripoffs"
It is so ironic that you bring this up yet again.
The Mate 10 series did just that last year. Open your eyes!
Now, just last week the P20 series was announced and pitted (as is logical) directly against both the iPhone X and the S9 series during the presentation.
Both phones were treated with great respect in ALL the initial P20 reports I have read but the only complaint I have seen so far was from an Apple centric site that took issue with Huawei comparing its P20 series results directly with those from an iPhone X and making it look poor.
AI hasn't mentioned the announcement yet and neither have I, as I prefer to see the results of consolidated testing (and understand this site is Apple centric) but the iPhone X is getting absolutely murdered in early first impressions. Now you force me to point this out.
Just one snippet from Engadget:
"Nighttime shooting was another situation where the P20 Pro shone. As I mentioned in passing during my preview, the phone comes with long-exposure modes that don't require tripods. From what I've been told, it combines the Kirin NPU chip to chew over long-exposure captures and bring them all together, with the high-megapixel primary shooter doing a lot of the legwork.
The results were often jaw-dropping
...
In comparison, taking the same shots on my iPhone X resulted in noisy, hazy photos. Pretty, but simply not as good. Meanwhile, look at the detail on the Eiffel Tower's cross-struts above: It's impressive as heck"
https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/31/huawei-p20-pro-camera-test/
Just one comment (and with pre release software to boot). Do some searching.
Enjoy your iPhone X but I have already seen several reports claim the iPhone X looks obselete and stale at the side of a P20 Pro.
Personally, I'll wait to see full reports before jumping to conclusions (like you just did).
What did you drink? We’re not in the 90s anymore...
People use iOS, which is the tablet computer and pocket computer variant of macOS because it is a superior technology to Windows. Windows is non-existant on these new devices. If marketing were essential Bberry or Windows CE would still dominate. If in that shrinking PC market of last years macOS can still grow that shows it is not beaten in any way.
Again, “indoctrinating” kids is a myth. Otherwise we’d all have been using Apple products since they were common place growing up. Even in later generations the DOS PCs were common yet no one uses DOS today. Acorn in the UK, etc. The notion that in 20 years you’ll use what you used in grade school is absurd.
This is all just nonsense. Nobody cared about Apple’s presence in education until it became a news cycle story in the DOOM narrative machine recently. You’ll stop caring once it falls off rotation.
“But but but Google is winning!!”