Apple's heads-up display tech for self-driving cars uses AR to enhance driver safety

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  • Reply 21 of 51
    plovellplovell Posts: 827member

    roake said:
    That’s awesome!  I like it!

    I wonder how companies such as Garmin have been affected by everyone having GPS on their phone, in modern cars, and now possible integration into the car windshields.
    They do maps rather than devices for cars. And also do handheld devices for hiking etc. 
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  • Reply 22 of 51
    lkrupp said:
    Soli said:
    Heads up displays are where I've always thought Apple's AR effort would be the most useful impact, but when can we expect Project Titan to ever get a public announcement and demonstration?
    And all those that complain about FaceID and the TrueDepth camera aren't seeing this side of it.
    Another case of Apple skating to where the puck will be instead of where it is.
    And I’d wager (successfully) that the journey began 6-7 years ago, during which time the media was saying Apple isn’t innovating anymore. What’s the difference between a talking head (CNBC, WSJ, Bloomberg, etc.) and a bobble head? The bobble head will cost you about $5, while the talking head will cost you much, much more. But for all that extra cost you won’t get any more from the talking head than what the bobble head provides.
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  • Reply 23 of 51
    Rayz2016rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    dysamoria said:
    Right, so we can have distractions on our windshields. 
    How is it a distraction if the car is driving itself?
    Boom. 

    Fist bump 🤛🏾 



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  • Reply 24 of 51
    cgWerkscgwerks Posts: 2,952member
    Now, ditch the self-driving car aspect and they're on to something big. The future isn't AI and self-driving cars, but tech-assisted human driving.
    GG1
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  • Reply 25 of 51
    Solisoli Posts: 10,038member
    cgWerks said:
    Now, ditch the self-driving car aspect and they're on to something big. The future isn't AI and self-driving cars, but tech-assisted human driving.
    Tech-assisted human driving is LITERALLY the ENTIRE history of the automobile industry.
    macguidysamoriaStrangeDays
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  • Reply 26 of 51
    Soli said:
    longpath said:
    I’d love to see some of these features in something along the lines of CarPlay2. The reality is that some people regard driving as a chore while others, like myself, regard it as a preferred pastime. For those who regard driving as a chore, I see self driving cars as a welcome boon; but for those of us that relish our time behind the wheel, technologies such as AR still have potential by providing drivers with providing over the horizon information, and other otherwise low observable information beforehand, instead of forcing the driver to respond rapidly to new data that comes up all at once, reducing driver peak workload.
    Just glad I’m not yet hearing anything about self-driving motorcycles.  Where would the fun be in that.  A bike is all the wheels I own, all I ride, since moving to the Philippines 18 months ago.  I’m in favor of the self-driving future, but also happy there likely won’t be many self-driving vehicles on the roads here for quite some time.  Traffic is chaos here, courteous chaos, but chaos nonetheless.  And I love it; keeps me sharp and focused. 
    Maybe not self driving, but I'd figure that computerized gyroscopes could increase safety by not allowing the rider to make certain moves that would result in losing balance as easily.

    Aw man, where's the fun in that?
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  • Reply 27 of 51
    irelandireland Posts: 17,802member
    Though the ultimate aim of the technology is unknown.
    If someone robbed a bank you could conclude the goal was to take the money.

    Apple has 45 sensor covered self-driving test vehicles on the road—we can conclude the goal is to roll their own branded self-driving vehicle. The only other possibility is they want to be the brains of other cars and car makes wouldn’t want this as they are working on this themselves and wouldn’t want Apple directing their destiny and it’s not Apple’s style AT ALL. Imagine Apple trying to keep track of other makers hardware and even privacy concerns etc. Laughably un-Apple.

    No, the simple truth is they want to make an Apple car. My only concern is while Apple has 45 vehicles on the road collecting data Tesla has perhaps 100,000 and in two plus years they may have 500,000. And a global recharge network. And a full car assembly process for electric vehicles. And ten years experience. And a battery factory. And a complete, ultra-modern home battery plus solar tile solution. They only thing Tesla lack in their cars is a beautiful design language. And their emblem and logo are fugly. But most people won’t notice this. They have such a huge lead over Apple it isn’t funny.
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  • Reply 28 of 51
    rogifan_newrogifan_new Posts: 4,297member
    I’d still love to know what Apple’s end game is here. 
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  • Reply 29 of 51
    irelandireland Posts: 17,802member
    I’d still love to know what Apple’s end game is here. 
    Well they aren’t working on a new kind of lawnmower.
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  • Reply 30 of 51
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    Soli said:
    longpath said:
    I’d love to see some of these features in something along the lines of CarPlay2. The reality is that some people regard driving as a chore while others, like myself, regard it as a preferred pastime. For those who regard driving as a chore, I see self driving cars as a welcome boon; but for those of us that relish our time behind the wheel, technologies such as AR still have potential by providing drivers with providing over the horizon information, and other otherwise low observable information beforehand, instead of forcing the driver to respond rapidly to new data that comes up all at once, reducing driver peak workload.
    Just glad I’m not yet hearing anything about self-driving motorcycles.  Where would the fun be in that.  A bike is all the wheels I own, all I ride, since moving to the Philippines 18 months ago.  I’m in favor of the self-driving future, but also happy there likely won’t be many self-driving vehicles on the roads here for quite some time.  Traffic is chaos here, courteous chaos, but chaos nonetheless.  And I love it; keeps me sharp and focused. 
    Maybe not self driving, but I'd figure that computerized gyroscopes could increase safety by not allowing the rider to make certain moves that would result in losing balance as easily.

    Solimacky the macky
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  • Reply 31 of 51
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    longpath said:
    I’d love to see some of these features in something along the lines of CarPlay2. The reality is that some people regard driving as a chore while others, like myself, regard it as a preferred pastime. For those who regard driving as a chore, I see self driving cars as a welcome boon; but for those of us that relish our time behind the wheel, technologies such as AR still have potential by providing drivers with providing over the horizon information, and other otherwise low observable information beforehand, instead of forcing the driver to respond rapidly to new data that comes up all at once, reducing driver peak workload.
    Just glad I’m not yet hearing anything about self-driving motorcycles.  Where would the fun be in that.  A bike is all the wheels I own, all I ride, since moving to the Philippines 18 months ago.  I’m in favor of the self-driving future, but also happy there likely won’t be many self-driving vehicles on the roads here for quite some time.  Traffic is chaos here, courteous chaos, but chaos nonetheless.  And I love it; keeps me sharp and focused. 
    Yamaha, BMW and Honda are at least three working on autonomous motorcycles. In fact Yamaha has gone further than that, combining a humanoid robot with a motorcycle: The Motobot.

    You should read up on it considering your interest. 

    A smallish company in the UK is claiming to be the first with a road-ready now autonomous motorcycle, tho bothe Honda and BMW themselves would probably disagree. 


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  • Reply 32 of 51
    MplsPmplsp Posts: 4,181member
    lkrupp said:
    Another case of Apple skating to where the puck will be instead of where it is.
    Boy could I have used this in late March 2008. 

    I was was driving a 2005 Ford GT I had purchased in San Diego to my home in Spokane, WA. I had experienced perfect weather all along the way until I got to just north of Moscow, ID on US 95. It was about 6:00 PM and very dark when I found myself in a heavy snow storm. 

    I couldnt see see the road edge and only about 20-30 feet ahead of me. I’m talking about snow blindness. The only directional indication I had was taillights fading in the distance. 

    The storm lasted about 20 minutes when it cleared as fast as it started. Those were the most harrowing 20 minutes I can remember ever having. 

    A system as described would have been a godsend. 
    Glad you made it without crashing. I’ve been in a few situations like that it they can be quiet harrowing. I dont’ know how much help it would have been, though. In true whiteout situations, many of the sensors used would have had limited efficacy and likely not been very helpful in seeing the road & lane lines, which is what you really need in those situations. 

    dysamoria said:
    Right, so we can have distractions on our windshields. 
    How is it a distraction if the car is driving itself?

    This isn’t designed for self-driving cars. What’s the point of a heads up display if the whole point is not to have to look up? They’re designed to help human drivers avoid accidents, etc. Systems like these are really cool, and when they work as designed, everything’s great.  The real problem with them is when they are inaccurate and make mistakes. What happens when you are driving in fog and start driving faster than you should because you can ‘see’ with your AR heads up display and it misses or misidentifies something in the road? We’ve already seen 3 really big misses in the self-driving car market; one from Uber (why didn’t infrared sensors see the pedestrian?) and 2 from Tesla. I know the Tesla system is actually driver assist, but for a driver assist system to drive off the road in clear weather or miss a semi turning in front of the car is a pretty big miss. To be truely useful, something like this has to have near perfect accuracy, and very little tech I’ve used can boast that.
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    cgWerks
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  • Reply 33 of 51
    macguimacgui Posts: 2,660member


    'Look what followed me home!'

    I've seen video of that Honda a few times and think it's great. As a long time rider, I'd prefer my own control input at speeds about maybe above 5~10mph when counter steering comes into play.

    That balancing would be a boon when rolling up to a stop and you're surprised by a bit of diesel fuel (nearly invisible on the road) or stray into a patch of oil or gravel. Or slowly maneuvering around a parking lot. Fun to let the bike handle the tedium.

    Breezing through some twisties and sweepers could be a very different story. I wonder if there's a learning curve to a 'set and forget' mode at speed beyond giving up control to the bike's gyro. I would presume it could react quickly enough to compensate for some degree of Nervous Nellyism of a new-to-autonomy rider.

    There is something to be said to replacing autonomous cars with autonomous cycles in many instances (look at the popularity of scooters and  bikes, both kinds, in Europe and Asia) but I'd hate to have to relinquish control of recreational riding.

    There have been and are a few attempts to put HUD functionality in motorcycle helmets. Done well, I see this as a good thing, along with HUD in cars.

    Really glad the Ford GT story ended well. I was apprehensive to say the least. I've always loved the GT40 and was very enchanted with the Ford GT.
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  • Reply 34 of 51
    zimmiezimmie Posts: 651member
    Can you even see anything?

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  • Reply 35 of 51
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    dysamoria said:
    Right, so we can have distractions on our windshields. I can imagine the software bugs now... "Why won't that indicator go away??"

    Then the other companies will make their own and they'll have ads...
    Windshields? We don’t need no stinkin’ Windshields! Just chill in your mobile pod surrounded by displays. It’s the Apple way. 
    Yeah, every sci-fi thingy I've seen where someone's helmet has no glass (just cameras and displays) or a vehicle has no glass (again, displays only), all I can think of is how the designer of these sci-fi gadgets has no sense of practicality and thinks that software can't possibly fail.

    So long as the computer industry rhetoric keeps people believing that bugs are an acceptable norm and that software can't possibly be warranted, there's just no way that it'll ever be trustworthy enough... not for me, at least. Surely there are plenty of people who don't grasp the reality of it who's subject themselves to the risks...
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  • Reply 36 of 51
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    dysamoria said:
    Right, so we can have distractions on our windshields. 
    How is it a distraction if the car is driving itself?
    Yeah, another pathological technology... 
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  • Reply 37 of 51
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    I LOVE the idea of AR in a car. Absolutely love it. Project your GPS directions directly into your field of vision. No need to look down. Paint yellow the lane you’re supposed to be in, and also know exactly when to merge or change lanes based on real-time observation of cars around you. 
    The available data (and the behavior of software) isn't remotely consistently reliable enough. With bugs, bad data, and construction, there's too much of an issue right now with just mindlessly following GPS. Every mapping agent I've used has bad locations, missed one-way road markers, and issues with construction. It's just not feasible in reality.

    People are obsessing over tech they see in games and sci-fi, but neither of those are real life.
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  • Reply 38 of 51
    robin huberrobin huber Posts: 4,086member
    dysamoria said:
    dysamoria said:
    Right, so we can have distractions on our windshields. I can imagine the software bugs now... "Why won't that indicator go away??"

    Then the other companies will make their own and they'll have ads...
    Windshields? We don’t need no stinkin’ Windshields! Just chill in your mobile pod surrounded by displays. It’s the Apple way. 
    Yeah, every sci-fi thingy I've seen where someone's helmet has no glass (just cameras and displays) or a vehicle has no glass (again, displays only), all I can think of is how the designer of these sci-fi gadgets has no sense of practicality and thinks that software can't possibly fail.

    So long as the computer industry rhetoric keeps people believing that bugs are an acceptable norm and that software can't possibly be warranted, there's just no way that it'll ever be trustworthy enough... not for me, at least. Surely there are plenty of people who don't grasp the reality of it who's subject themselves to the risks...
    I was being facetious. What fun would it be to drive through the redwoods without windows?
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  • Reply 39 of 51
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,057member
    gatorguy said:
    longpath said:
    I’d love to see some of these features in something along the lines of CarPlay2. The reality is that some people regard driving as a chore while others, like myself, regard it as a preferred pastime. For those who regard driving as a chore, I see self driving cars as a welcome boon; but for those of us that relish our time behind the wheel, technologies such as AR still have potential by providing drivers with providing over the horizon information, and other otherwise low observable information beforehand, instead of forcing the driver to respond rapidly to new data that comes up all at once, reducing driver peak workload.
    Your aftermarket suggestion on the way from companies like Navdy
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/culture/technology/augmented-reality-merges-into-vehiclewindshields/article35096455/
    That device will distract driver even more. BMW has HUD now and with wireless CarPlay compatible, they can just update the software to send CarPlay screen to HUD with ease.
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  • Reply 40 of 51
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    fallenjt said:
    gatorguy said:
    longpath said:
    I’d love to see some of these features in something along the lines of CarPlay2. The reality is that some people regard driving as a chore while others, like myself, regard it as a preferred pastime. For those who regard driving as a chore, I see self driving cars as a welcome boon; but for those of us that relish our time behind the wheel, technologies such as AR still have potential by providing drivers with providing over the horizon information, and other otherwise low observable information beforehand, instead of forcing the driver to respond rapidly to new data that comes up all at once, reducing driver peak workload.
    Your aftermarket suggestion on the way from companies like Navdy
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/culture/technology/augmented-reality-merges-into-vehiclewindshields/article35096455/
    That device will distract driver even more. BMW has HUD now and with wireless CarPlay compatible, they can just update the software to send CarPlay screen to HUD with ease.
    My wife's Mazda has a HUD and Google is bringing wireless Android Auto. Now whether Mazda would ever update for either Google or Apple? .... I wouldn't hold my breath. 
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