Apple destroys Facebook in poll about trustworthiness with personal data

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  • Reply 21 of 60
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    I did not listen to the whole Zuck testifying in DC, I saw a few highlights and knew most of what he would be doing was CYA and try not to admit anything bad.

    All anyone needs to know is how he answer the this question, "Would tell everyone which hotel you are staying at"

    Watch his face when he was asked that question it took him some time to realize what he was being asked, he finally said "No" to the question and when he was asked why not, just said "No' again. He values his pricey more than your privacy. Do you think is person information is being scraped by this third parties, so you think his account is accessible to others? I am surprise no one ask him is his account it open as everyone else's. 
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  • Reply 22 of 60
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    MacPro said:
    maestro64 said:
    Soli said:
    1) I’m going to continue to use FB because it’s the only reasonable way for me to stay connected to many people, but people should know what that they are the product and how to reasonably secure themselves from run he mill data thrives.

    2) It’s hard to put faith in a pool that puts Twitter and Apple so close.

    3) I didn’t see this referenced but the “logic” speaks volumes.


    There is a thing called a phone which is really good at allow you to talk to people and share important things in real time.

    The only difference between all these companies from a survey stand point and Facebook is blind faith, People are not blind to Facebook anymore, they now know what they wish not to know. For all the other company people still do not know so ignorance is bliss.
    As well as phone, I find email pretty useful too. :)  I just don't get why anyone needs FB to 'keep in touch'.  

    Yes but I do not email people who use free email accounts, not interesting in Google and such reading my emails. Just because someone else signed away their privacy, they are not signing mine away.
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  • Reply 23 of 60
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    maestro64 said:
    I did not listen to the whole Zuck testifying in DC, I saw a few highlights and knew most of what he would be doing was CYA and try not to admit anything bad.

    All anyone needs to know is how he answer the this question, "Would tell everyone which hotel you are staying at"

    Watch his face when he was asked that question it took him some time to realize what he was being asked, he finally said "No" to the question and when he was asked why not, just said "No' again. He values his pricey more than your privacy. Do you think is person information is being scraped by this third parties, so you think his account is accessible to others? I am surprise no one ask him is his account it open as everyone else's. 
    Zuckerberg is blatantly self-interested, as are all people. He owns the vast majority of company stock, so of course he has seen no wrong in the policies of his company.
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  • Reply 24 of 60
    I’ve come to the conclusion that Mark Zuckerberg is asking for Facebook to be regulated by the Federal government now as a means to gain protected monopoly status. He’ll make large donations to politicians and essentially become another unelected and untouchable arm of government which monitors and reports on people who are determined to be enemies of the state.
    Or... ask them: Now, you have any secrets that you don't want made public?
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  • Reply 25 of 60
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    I’ve come to the conclusion that Mark Zuckerberg is asking for Facebook to be regulated by the Federal government now as a means to gain protected monopoly status. He’ll make large donations to politicians and essentially become another unelected and untouchable arm of government which monitors and reports on people who are determined to be enemies of the state.
    Or... ask them: Now, you have any secrets that you don't want made public?
    The blackmail angle is always a possibility, but when the issue comes to those in office, I always assume every bit of dirt on these people is known to those in the upper echelons of the FBI, CIA and NSA.
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  • Reply 26 of 60
    I’ve come to the conclusion that Mark Zuckerberg is asking for Facebook to be regulated by the Federal government now as a means to gain protected monopoly status. He’ll make large donations to politicians and essentially become another unelected and untouchable arm of government which monitors and reports on people who are determined to be enemies of the state.
    Or... ask them: Now, you have any secrets that you don't want made public?
    The blackmail angle is always a possibility, but when the issue comes to those in office, I always assume every bit of dirt on these people is known to those in the upper echelons of the FBI, CIA and NSA.
    So true!
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  • Reply 27 of 60
     Facebook is currently all over the news for things it has done to earn user distrust, a controversy that is fresh in everyone's mind. If 
    We have a winner of the Kathy Griffin Taste Award!
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  • Reply 28 of 60
    Never use real you when using social media.... data abuser, seller are everywhere to get you 
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  • Reply 29 of 60
    There is a simple solution to fix most of the Internet tracking problems...

    Change the HTML specs to remove the use use of cookies!

    Congressman Joe Kennedy  D MA, appeared very close to suggesting this, today, in his drill-down questioning of Zuck.
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  • Reply 30 of 60
    Don't know why, but this comes to mind...


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  • Reply 31 of 60
    MplsP said:
    Well, that poll is kind of like asking 'who do you trust to keep a secret, a mass murder, or your priest?'
    This isn't as simple an answer as you might think it is. A priest might be water tight at keeping a secret (look at all the corruption and child sex claims in the catholic system) but would you really trust one?
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  • Reply 32 of 60
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    grogbog said:
    MplsP said:
    Well, that poll is kind of like asking 'who do you trust to keep a secret, a mass murder, or your priest?'
    This isn't as simple an answer as you might think it is. A priest might be water tight at keeping a secret (look at all the corruption and child sex claims in the catholic system) but would you really trust one?
    "Trust no one" seems to be a good mantra for life.
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  • Reply 33 of 60
    grogbog said:
    MplsP said:
    Well, that poll is kind of like asking 'who do you trust to keep a secret, a mass murder, or your priest?'
    This isn't as simple an answer as you might think it is. A priest might be water tight at keeping a secret (look at all the corruption and child sex claims in the catholic system) but would you really trust one?
    "Trust no one" seems to be a good mantra for life.
    No one, but me and thee... and I’m not too sure about thee!
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  • Reply 34 of 60
    Muntzmuntz Posts: 26member
    maestro64 said:
    Soli said:
    1) I’m going to continue to use FB because it’s the only reasonable way for me to stay connected to many people, but people should know what that they are the product and how to reasonably secure themselves from run he mill data thrives.

    2) It’s hard to put faith in a pool that puts Twitter and Apple so close.

    3) I didn’t see this referenced but the “logic” speaks volumes.


    There is a thing called a phone which is really good at allow you to talk to people and share important things in real time.

    The only difference between all these companies from a survey stand point and Facebook is blind faith, People are not blind to Facebook anymore, they now know what they wish they did not know. For all the other companies people still do not know so ignorance is bliss.
    The thing is, no one should have been using FB to do more than share a some generic photos, like a few posts and have a few polite conversations. If you were using FB as your personal diary for your innermost thoughts or as a way to arrange something illicit, it’s your own damn fault. If you don’t learn early on to filter yourself and only post or message SFW content online, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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  • Reply 35 of 60
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,771member
    maestro64 said:
    MacPro said:
    maestro64 said:
    Soli said:
    1) I’m going to continue to use FB because it’s the only reasonable way for me to stay connected to many people, but people should know what that they are the product and how to reasonably secure themselves from run he mill data thrives.

    2) It’s hard to put faith in a pool that puts Twitter and Apple so close.

    3) I didn’t see this referenced but the “logic” speaks volumes.


    There is a thing called a phone which is really good at allow you to talk to people and share important things in real time.

    The only difference between all these companies from a survey stand point and Facebook is blind faith, People are not blind to Facebook anymore, they now know what they wish not to know. For all the other company people still do not know so ignorance is bliss.
    As well as phone, I find email pretty useful too. :)  I just don't get why anyone needs FB to 'keep in touch'.  

    Yes but I do not email people who use free email accounts, not interesting in Google and such reading my emails. Just because someone else signed away their privacy, they are not signing mine away.
    Google doesn't scan your emails for anything that Apple doesn't AFAIK. Keyword scanning of free GMail accounts was completely stopped last year, in part because Google has gained so much more enterprise traction (paid business accounts have never been subject to ad scanning and are completely ad-free) and the free GMail ads added confusion and needless concern for business users.

    So no Google is not "reading your emails". You can go back to emailing your GMail friends, even the ones with free accounts.  
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  • Reply 36 of 60
    I don't see a big difference between Facebook and Google. I don't understand the 56% vs 5%.
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  • Reply 37 of 60
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,932member
    I’m really sprised google were so low down the list. Although 23 and me are not officially linked to google, it was hardly supprising after years of saying they wouldn’t sell data from the profiles the determined, they eventually said that that was exactly their business model. What’s that got to do with Google you ask? Well the original CEO of 23 and Me was married to Google’s other co-founder Sergey Mikhaylovich Brin. 

    That poll is poorly designed hence not very informative.  I trust Facebook least but Google isn't far behind.  Certainly not 5%-versus-59% behind.  In fact I would rank Google behind Facebook by just one measly point.
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  • Reply 38 of 60
    blah64blah64 Posts: 993member
    maestro64 said:
    MacPro said:
    maestro64 said:
    Soli said:
    1) I’m going to continue to use FB because it’s the only reasonable way for me to stay connected to many people, but people should know what that they are the product and how to reasonably secure themselves from run he mill data thrives.

    2) It’s hard to put faith in a pool that puts Twitter and Apple so close.

    3) I didn’t see this referenced but the “logic” speaks volumes.


    There is a thing called a phone which is really good at allow you to talk to people and share important things in real time.

    The only difference between all these companies from a survey stand point and Facebook is blind faith, People are not blind to Facebook anymore, they now know what they wish not to know. For all the other company people still do not know so ignorance is bliss.
    As well as phone, I find email pretty useful too. :)  I just don't get why anyone needs FB to 'keep in touch'.  

    Yes but I do not email people who use free email accounts, not interesting in Google and such reading my emails. Just because someone else signed away their privacy, they are not signing mine away.

    How do you manage this in real life?  I have the same policy, but sometimes it can be challenging in real life.

    Do you use a privacy-oriented email provider, or your company's, or self-managed? 
    Do you withhold your email address entirely from people who use services like gmail?

    The thing is, if you share your email address with other people at all, even if you don't send them email with personal info, all it takes is for them to email you with personal information about yourself, and now that information about *you* gets sucked into *their* email provider's data sets.  google changed their email data-collection practices last year (apparently they've gathered enough info through that particular channel!), but historically they fought very hard in courts around the world to protect their right to gather that data, including that of non-users.  Clearly most providers do gather, analyze and keep personal information gleaned from emails, whether inbound or outbound.

    Here's the email no one who cares about their privacy wants to receive from their gmail/hotmail/yahoo-using buddy:

    "Yo Bob, happy 48th birthday!
    How are you doing these days, is your liver still holding up??  After all those awesome drinking parties, one can only hope, lol
    Anyway, don't worry, I haven't told a soul about your fling with Diane. Well, except Joe Mendez, but he's cool, you can trust him.
    Later dude!"

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  • Reply 39 of 60
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    gatorguy said:
    maestro64 said:
    MacPro said:
    maestro64 said:
    Soli said:
    1) I’m going to continue to use FB because it’s the only reasonable way for me to stay connected to many people, but people should know what that they are the product and how to reasonably secure themselves from run he mill data thrives.

    2) It’s hard to put faith in a pool that puts Twitter and Apple so close.

    3) I didn’t see this referenced but the “logic” speaks volumes.


    There is a thing called a phone which is really good at allow you to talk to people and share important things in real time.

    The only difference between all these companies from a survey stand point and Facebook is blind faith, People are not blind to Facebook anymore, they now know what they wish not to know. For all the other company people still do not know so ignorance is bliss.
    As well as phone, I find email pretty useful too. :)  I just don't get why anyone needs FB to 'keep in touch'.  

    Yes but I do not email people who use free email accounts, not interesting in Google and such reading my emails. Just because someone else signed away their privacy, they are not signing mine away.
    Google doesn't scan your emails for anything that Apple doesn't AFAIK. Keyword scanning of free GMail accounts was completely stopped last year, in part because Google has gained so much more enterprise traction (paid business accounts have never been subject to ad scanning and are completely ad-free) and the free GMail ads added confusion and needless concern for business users.

    So no Google is not "reading your emails". You can go back to emailing your GMail friends, even the ones with free accounts.  
    Thanks for the info Google ... I mean gatorguy ;)
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  • Reply 40 of 60
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,771member
    MacPro said:
    gatorguy said:
    maestro64 said:
    MacPro said:
    maestro64 said:
    Soli said:
    1) I’m going to continue to use FB because it’s the only reasonable way for me to stay connected to many people, but people should know what that they are the product and how to reasonably secure themselves from run he mill data thrives.

    2) It’s hard to put faith in a pool that puts Twitter and Apple so close.

    3) I didn’t see this referenced but the “logic” speaks volumes.


    There is a thing called a phone which is really good at allow you to talk to people and share important things in real time.

    The only difference between all these companies from a survey stand point and Facebook is blind faith, People are not blind to Facebook anymore, they now know what they wish not to know. For all the other company people still do not know so ignorance is bliss.
    As well as phone, I find email pretty useful too. :)  I just don't get why anyone needs FB to 'keep in touch'.  

    Yes but I do not email people who use free email accounts, not interesting in Google and such reading my emails. Just because someone else signed away their privacy, they are not signing mine away.
    Google doesn't scan your emails for anything that Apple doesn't AFAIK. Keyword scanning of free GMail accounts was completely stopped last year, in part because Google has gained so much more enterprise traction (paid business accounts have never been subject to ad scanning and are completely ad-free) and the free GMail ads added confusion and needless concern for business users.

    So no Google is not "reading your emails". You can go back to emailing your GMail friends, even the ones with free accounts.  
    Thanks for the info Google ... I mean gatorguy ;)
    Quite welcome. With the amount of misunderstanding and misinformation that sometimes gets passed around here as fact someone should do it. :)
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