Apple's North Carolina 'Triangle' campus a 'done deal' if legislation passes

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in General Discussion edited May 2018
Apple's plan to set up a new campus in North Carolina's "Research Triangle" could be announced as early as June, with Republican legislators reportedly close to passing a financial incentives package granting benefits to the iPhone producer.

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Legislators met on Wednesday afternoon to discuss the state incentives package that Apple would receive in exchange for building the new campus in the so-called "Triangle" -- which consists of Raleigh, Durham, and Chapel Hill -- reports WRAL News. An unnamed source of the report is confident that the ongoing negotiations are fruitful, claiming "It's a done deal, as soon as we pass this bill."

A second source warned it is still possible for the deal to be derailed, up until the General Assembly and Gov. Roy Cooper formally sign off on the package. An official announcement is scheduled to occur in early June, though a source adds this could change following the publication of reports on the negotiations.

The incentive schedule grants Apple approximately 56 percent of the employer's share of withholding taxes that it would generate from activities in North Carolina for the first six years of the deal, growing to 90 percent as job numbers increase after the six-year period. Withholding funds would also be provided to a state account meant for rural development, starting at close to 19 percent but reducing down over time to 10 percent.

While there isn't any grant money provided by the state in the incentives package in its current form, it does include 30 years of property tax abatements from Wake County.

Sources state Apple would initially operate in or around Cary, leasing enough space of Weston Parkway to hold 1,000 employees, before increasing the employee count and moving to 300 acres in southern areas of the Research Triangle Park. The plans also allegedly include new infrastructure investments, possibly near an existing Apple data center in Hickory in Catawba County.

Apple could spend $900 million on a new data center, a source claims. Reports from December indicated Apple planned to make another $1 billion investment in its Catawba County campus, on top of the existing $4 billion it has spent there since 2009.

State economists are said to love the Apple deal, sources state, which is thought to introduce at least 3,000 jobs, but is expected to produce between 5,000 and 10,000 research and development jobs over the long term. The high anticipated average pay of $130,000 per year and the rapid ramp-up of the project as a whole is considered to make it more favorable than if Amazon selects the state for its second headquarters, which would produce as many as 50,000 jobs.

"Our economists have basically told us that the only way this doesn't work is if you let them leave," a report source claims.

Apple in January announced its intention to build a second headquarters, as part of a push to invest in the U.S. The company later ruled out both California and Texas, leading to speculation that the campus would be located in the Northeast.

The company was clear from the beginning that it was not interested in a city versus city auction process like the one currently being undertaken by Amazon. Apple CEO Tim Cook reiterated that in the "Apple: Revolution" interview on MSNBC in March, stating that "We're not doing a beauty contest kind of thing, that's not Apple."

More recently, it is reported Cook took part in meetings relating to the project while the CEO was in town for Duke's commencement over the weekend. Both Cook and Apple executive Eddy Cue are alumni of Duke.
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  • Reply 1 of 24
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    Must really upset people that a company like Apple chooses to locate outside of business-hostile California for a low-tax state.
    lkruppjbdragon
  • Reply 2 of 24
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    Must really upset people that a company like Apple chooses to locate outside of business-hostile California for a low-tax state.
    Well, at least the activists won’t be throwing rocks at the Apple bus in Raleigh claiming big tech is the source of all their troubles.
    edited May 2018 jbdragonnetmagejony0
  • Reply 3 of 24
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member
    I remember being targeted by a recruiter (software developer) from there way back in 2001. They have been trying to create their own little Silicon Valley in North Carolina for ages.
    netmageedred
  • Reply 4 of 24
    Must really upset people that a company like Apple chooses to locate outside of business-hostile California for a low-tax state.
    "Business" consists of a lot more than just ownership and investors. Besides, this is a research facility, so Apple doesn't have to worry about North Carolina's tiny economy or 41st ranking for income. They're not focused on sales. 
  • Reply 5 of 24
    jbdragonjbdragon Posts: 2,312member
    I'm not a fan of giving tax cuts to try and get a business to build in that location. I think it's unfair. To me it's cheating the system. I'd rather that it applied to everyone new and old alike. Apple has BILLION, so it's not like they even need these tax breaks. Not that I'm a fan of Government stealing so much money as it is. I just think Government should be doing things fairly. What deal they give to Apple, should apply to everyone else also.
  • Reply 6 of 24
    mrboba1mrboba1 Posts: 276member
    You guys are rich. You obviously have no idea what the Research Triangle was, is and was built for, or who lives here. Three major research universities within 25 miles of each other, IBM for 50 years, Cisco, GSK R&D until recently, the EPA for 45 years and about 200 tech/research/CRO companies with about 50,000-75,000 employees. HIghest concentration of PhDs in the country, all because of the research concentration.

    "Way back in 2001" - funny. This has been here since the '60s. We have built exactly what we wanted, and it's not some tiny economy or low income.
    netmageSpamSandwichbuzdots
  • Reply 7 of 24
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    North Carolina's tiny economy
    Bigger than Argentina and South Africa (and, obviously, everyone below them). You were saying?
    cornchip
  • Reply 8 of 24
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,573member
    Oh, goody. Subsidies and tax abatements to get Apple to locate at the Triangle. Wealth does have its privileges
    stourque
  • Reply 9 of 24
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    gatorguy said:
    Oh, goody. Subsidies and tax abatements to get Apple to locate at the Triangle. Wealth does have its privileges
    Gator, this state wants Apple there. Whichever state ends up giving Amazon preferential treatment wants the same. This happens at the state level, not nationally. US states are in competition with each other to attract the best employers. California is bleeding businesses and people right now.
    edited May 2018
  • Reply 10 of 24
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,573member
    gatorguy said:
    Oh, goody. Subsidies and tax abatements to get Apple to locate at the Triangle. Wealth does have its privileges
    Gator, this state wants Apple there. Whichever state ends up giving Amazon preferential treatment wants the same. This happens at the state level, not nationally. US states are in competition with each other to attract the best employers. California is bleeding businesses and people right now.
    It's just sad that companies, many of them extremely successful and wealthy, are being paid to do what they were going to do anyway and those of us with small voices pick up the slack. Apparently there's no breaking the cycle of giveaways, and no hope that the practice will stop in the future either.
    stourque
  • Reply 11 of 24
    nunzynunzy Posts: 662member
    They are smart to give money to Apple. Soon all the multinational corporations will look for the same deal. The income taxes that the workers pay can make up for the difference. Also the property taxes paid by the neighborhood will increase.

    Every city should do it.
  • Reply 12 of 24
    tallest skil said:  Bigger than Argentina and South Africa (and, obviously, everyone below them). You were saying?
    I'm still saying the same thing. The post I responded to was using "business unfriendly" California as it's comparison. 
  • Reply 13 of 24

    SpamSandwich said:  California is bleeding businesses and people right now.
    And yet it just recently became the 5th largest economy in the world. 
  • Reply 14 of 24
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    And yet it just recently became the 5th largest economy in the world. 
    And yet it’s bleeding business and people. Your outlook seems to be to frantically grab at what straws are left rather than trying to fix the thing that caused them to start falling in the first place. That’s a sign of decadence and decay. Too few people are worried about this.
    SpamSandwich
  • Reply 15 of 24
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,056member
    Must really upset people that a company like Apple chooses to locate outside of business-hostile California for a low-tax state.
    It would be really dumb to build this campus in California since many of their campuses are already here. If they want, they can still have dirt cheap campus in California around central valley, but what for? Spreading out campuses across the country is already a great business strategy.
    Soli
  • Reply 16 of 24
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    Must really upset people that a company like Apple chooses to locate outside of business-hostile California for a low-tax state.
    What do you think changed since Apple decided to build their new campus in Cupertino? Or purchase that huge facility in San Jose?
  • Reply 17 of 24
    Todd ToddersonTodd Todderson Posts: 1unconfirmed, member
    Witholding taxes from workers going directly to Apple. This means that the workers are paying the company for their labor. Despicable.
  • Reply 18 of 24
    epicurusepicurus Posts: 29member
    Traffic in and around Raleigh or the RTP is already a nightmare, but Apple being here would make sense we have SAS headquarters, we have Oracle, Cisco, Lenovo, IBM, among many other tech heavy companies they’d be a good fit and RDU airport is just few minutes down the road. State taxes are low yes, but cost of living is just as high as it was in Nj
  • Reply 19 of 24
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    jbdragon said:
    I'm not a fan of giving tax cuts to try and get a business to build in that location. I think it's unfair. To me it's cheating the system. I'd rather that it applied to everyone new and old alike. Apple has BILLION, so it's not like they even need these tax breaks. Not that I'm a fan of Government stealing so much money as it is. I just think Government should be doing things fairly. What deal they give to Apple, should apply to everyone else also.
    I don't see an easy answer here. Apple can't just say "we have a lot of extra money, you can have it" because they're a publicly traded company. 

    And NC can't overlook what having Apple coming into an area do for revenue, profit, and job creation. If Apple goes somewhere else how does anyone in NC benefit? Didn't that data center in NC a decade ago spell out that Apple only use in-state services and employees, and only seek interstate assistance if all other options had been explored?

    It's a lot like a wealthy celebrity getting a free meal at a restaurant and giving them better service than other customers because the owner feels it will help drive business if there's a positive review. You can say it's not fair and that every customer should be treated the same (and in an ideal world it wouldn't be an issue), but the owner, just like NC, is thinking about their own revenue stream.

    After a DC is built the number of jobs drops significantly, but that research facility looks like a great boon to the economy with thousands of upper-middle class jobs for the area.
  • Reply 20 of 24
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    More US states would benefit by emulating the SEZ (Special Economic Zones) of China, versus fall further into progressive failure, as is currently happening in California, Washington State and New York. It's an interesting story. The Chinese government learned to emulate the successes of Hong Kong, minus political freedoms to drive investment and rapid business growth within China itself.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_economic_zones_of_China

    If American cities and states were to similarly establish such free economic zones, it would spur foreign investment, job growth and increase tax revenues. Everyone would win.
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