No, no and thrice No. Those that love to 'bitch' about things will always find fault.
I'm sure that many of us have experienced people like that in our lives... They are never satisfied.
How dare people who pay premiums expecting the best performance possible for a "pro" machine demand what's promised by the brand.
Those that love to 'bitch fanboy' about things will always never find fault. I'm sure that many of us have experienced people like that in our lives... They are never satisfied critical regardless of evidence.
This is a timely fix by Apple! Not letting the situation get out of hand by reacting quickly. But despite everything, Apple’s i9 laptop (and likely its other laptops as well) is overall still slower than its Windows peers. And I think that is still basically because of Apple’s priority of thinness and style (maybe quietness too) over functionality for these laptop designs despite them being marketed as Pro models.
...to just below 100F, which is fine. However, the fans and heat pipes bring it down by 20F ...
F or C? The article states C.
Thanks!
C. I should stop checking the forums while I"m getting ready for bed or wrangling kids, thanks.
We who are about to purchase salute you.
Seriously, thanks for the effort on this. You’re helping a good number of people with a pressing decision.
+1
The information is priceless if you are considering something that is fresh out of the gate. And telling it like it is every step of the way. Top marks.
It's takes effort and time, and time is a very precious resource even for people without kids. Hard to imagine what it must be like with kids and a wife.
...to just below 100F, which is fine. However, the fans and heat pipes bring it down by 20F ...
F or C? The article states C.
Thanks!
C. I should stop checking the forums while I"m getting ready for bed or wrangling kids, thanks.
We who are about to purchase salute you.
Seriously, thanks for the effort on this. You’re helping a good number of people with a pressing decision.
+1
The information is priceless if you are considering something that is fresh out of the gate. And telling it like it is every step of the way. Top marks.
It's takes effort and time, and time is a very precious resource even for people without kids. Hard to imagine what it must be like with kids and a wife.
Combined with how Macs have both become niche products and consistently fallen behind current technology, I have to assume that Apple is looking at making some upgrades to the Mac Team.
...to just below 100F, which is fine. However, the fans and heat pipes bring it down by 20F ...
F or C? The article states C.
Thanks!
C. I should stop checking the forums while I"m getting ready for bed or wrangling kids, thanks.
Ha! Even so, sometimes you can check something a thousand times and still not catch it.
If I see a typo or similar in an article, I just point it out in the comments. Is that the best way or is there another channel for things like this?
We prefer email. You can leave them here, but I wouldn't say anything else in conjunction with the comment, as it will be deleted (after we fix the problem).
The digital key issue makes sense, as it would work during testing by the engineering team, but was somehow rendered invalid upon final launch of the hardware. This does seem to represent a significant quality-control issue, but nothing fatal, as it could easily be fixed by a software update issued a just few days after the computers delivered.
That's what I was thinking. Disabling checking of signatures is something you would do in dev/test because you're making little changes all the time and you don't want to have to re-sign the code each time. So I find Apple's explanation completely plausible.
I'd imagine Apple has a very robust PKI in place and does most of the key management and signing using isolated servers in a modern DevOps (including CI and internal CD) model including build automation and automated regression testing. This is almost a bill of materials (BOM) issue since the key is required for the signing process and as such is an essential article for product release. Missing this would be like the hardware group forgetting to put one of the keys on the keyboard. Apple's automated integration, build, signing, and testing process should ensure that every article listed in the BOM is in the build. The final release (firmware) image should get run through another round of automated regression testing to verify that the behaviors match what's expected based on the BOM. Or they could still be doing all these things manually, which for a company the size and scope of Apple, would be potentially disastrous.
Yes: "The bug affects every new generation of the MacBook Pro, including both the 13-inch and 15-inch sizes and all of the Intel processor configurations."
Yes, but since they performed actual pre-patch tests on the i7 I assume they did so again post-patch. It would be nice to know the results.
We're still working on them. They are improved.
Hey, Mike congrats on appearing on The New Screen Savers! That was a real surprise!
Yes: "The bug affects every new generation of the MacBook Pro, including both the 13-inch and 15-inch sizes and all of the Intel processor configurations."
Yes, but since they performed actual pre-patch tests on the i7 I assume they did so again post-patch. It would be nice to know the results.
We're still working on them. They are improved.
Hey, Mike congrats on appearing on The New Screen Savers! That was a real surprise!
Thanks much! It developed very quickly on Friday into Saturday's filming.
Combined with how Macs have both become niche products and consistently fallen behind current technology, I have to assume that Apple is looking at making some upgrades to the Mac Team.
What technology are you talking about? The same Intel updates everyone else gets? Yes, they are slow to update but it’s not like PC manufacturers are anything other that generic part assemblers. They assemble generic parts for a generic OS that they all sell with minor hardware and software tweaks.
T-1 and T-2 chips (custom silicon) are well ahead of what’s offered on the PC and USB-C/Thunderbolt adoption is the future, as with USB back in the 90’s Apple bit the bullet and pioneered it’s use over older inferior tech when PCs lagged behind with Serial and Parallel ports as standard gear.
It’s clear Apple is moving towards a custom ARM CPU and possibly custom graphics chips. On that side of the fence Apple is ahead of the pack. It’s worth noting that iPhones are already as powerful as base level Macs and PCs and with their own graphics API and custom silicon, they can get more performance with less silicon, than Android. We already see Android devices needing more cores and more RAM to match the iPhone’s performance. Don’t be surprised if the PC market goes the same way down the road. Apple’s custom SSD configurations (no onboard controller) in the iMacPro are already a break with the norm, which gives them above average speed.
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Good to put a face to the name!
For everybody else confused, there's a link in the story to the appearance on Leo LaPorte's TNSS.
Edit: and since I got asked a few times since this: https://youtu.be/6DcIP6FtuRk
Seriously, thanks for the effort on this. You’re helping a good number of people with a pressing decision.
The information is priceless if you are considering something that is fresh out of the gate. And telling it like it is every step of the way. Top marks.
It's takes effort and time, and time is a very precious resource even for people without kids. Hard to imagine what it must be like with kids and a wife.
If I see a typo or similar in an article, I just point it out in the comments. Is that the best way or is there another channel for things like this?
If someone can do the test...
Compiling Blender under Mojave with the last Xcode Beta
My own results :
MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2015)
2,5 GHz Intel Core i7
16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
macOS 10.14 Beta (18A336e)
Xcode Version 10.0 beta 3 (10L201y)
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~ 446 seconds
Thank in advance
Thanks much! It developed very quickly on Friday into Saturday's filming.
What technology are you talking about? The same Intel updates everyone else gets? Yes, they are slow to update but it’s not like PC manufacturers are anything other that generic part assemblers. They assemble generic parts for a generic OS that they all sell with minor hardware and software tweaks.
T-1 and T-2 chips (custom silicon) are well ahead of what’s offered on the PC and USB-C/Thunderbolt adoption is the future, as with USB back in the 90’s Apple bit the bullet and pioneered it’s use over older inferior tech when PCs lagged behind with Serial and Parallel ports as standard gear.
It’s clear Apple is moving towards a custom ARM CPU and possibly custom graphics chips. On that side of the fence Apple is ahead of the pack. It’s worth noting that iPhones are already as powerful as base level Macs and PCs and with their own graphics API and custom silicon, they can get more performance with less silicon, than Android. We already see Android devices needing more cores and more RAM to match the iPhone’s performance. Don’t be surprised if the PC market goes the same way down the road. Apple’s custom SSD configurations (no onboard controller) in the iMacPro are already a break with the norm, which gives them above average speed.