Put the Dell keyboard on the MacBook and you have the perfect computer!
Seriously, Apple, you must increase the amount of keyboard travel on your machines.
I think the keyboard is just fine. Its really just a matter of choice really. There are people who didn't like the previous keyboard either you know...
A keyboard maybe a matter of choice, as you said. But in this case, Apple keyboard is not good. I work with devices from many brands, and you'll notice the difference.
I do as well and I have no problem using the first gen or second gen of Apple's new keyboards. Of course there's a difference, but that doesn't mean it's a terrible keyboard. It's a matter of choice. Like I said before, there were also people who didn't like the old style keyboard too. Just because the "me too" crowd wasn't in full force and didn't say they didn't like the previous gen keyboard doesn't mean everyone loved it.
Following that line, we can said that Apple trackpads aren't better than others. It's just a matter of preference, right?
Obviously.
Didn’t expect that, did you.
Preferences for keyboards, mice, trackpads, headphones, cars, guns and battleships are all subjective.
How many times does this need to be said: if you don’t like Apple kit then buy something else.
Uh no... Junk is still junk. Quality is still quality. Yes, there is some grey in the middle, but generalizing from that is a falsehood. In addition, confusing functional goals with quality also produces a falsehood: Drivers of pickup trucks think tiny little cars are junk. Drivers of Teslas think that big, fat pickups are junk.
Is Apple's keyboard junk? It depends on perspective and need rather than a subjective judgement. They were designed as part of an all out effort to promote portability: Thin and light. In doing so they sacrificed aspects that others value highly such as travel, feel and reliability. None of that is subjective.
Those who value key travel & feel along with reliability can marginalize those who value portability.
Those who value portability can marginalize those who value key travel & feel along with reliability.
A Dell XPS 15 that runs Mac OS, doesn't have that stupid LCD touchbar, and has all the ports I want so I don't need to carry a wad of adapters.
Perhaps Tim should buy Michael's company and combine the best...
Not much to combine there...not really worth it. Why would Apple just buy a company who just slaps together a bunch of off the shelf parts?
Apple buys off-the-shelf components too, but the hardware is less impressive for the money. Did you watch the video?
Besides... wouldn't it be nice to see all the Dell-ers become Apple People?
Yeah the T2, custom display controller chip, and custom firmware chips are just off the shelf parts. Get real! *rolls eyes* The only real major non-Apple chips are obviously the CPU and GPU. If Intel keeps up with their shit, it won't even be that.
All minor players... Implying that a T2 chip carries equal weight to the CPU is a false equivalency. He was correct -- with a few minor exceptions -- Macs use off the shelf components available to all... Yeh, they use top of the line stuff. But it's stuff anybody with a checkbook can buy.
They carry a greater weight because they’re one of a handful of items that separate the Mac from a sea of commodity devices that are also stuck with a commodity chipset that is reaching an evolutionary dead end.
They carry a greater weight because they’re what the components that are taking an increasingly greater load off the aforementioned evolutionary dead end.
With the latest Macbook Pro 2018 pricing, I finally kicked Apple to the curb. Well sort of...I'm still rocking my 2014 MBP and it's performance is still solid but it's taking a back seat. I sold my 2017 MBP 15" a few weeks ago since it was the worst Mac I've ever owned. Listening to the sound of the fans under moderate load didn't warrant the $3K price tag.
Last week I took home the 9570 from Costco and with some under-volting tweaks I had that XPS purring, killed most of the fan noise and extended battery life considerably. In a desktop environment, once paired with an eGPU and the 1050ti takes a back seat you'll never hear the fans spin up again. I tried making the switch last year and the PC's out at that time weren't cutting it as far as build quality goes. This year, Dell and Razer have some solid machines and their current track-pads have made it possible to switch. One problem that PC manufactures are missing is more than one Thunderbolt 3 port, not to mention Thunderbolt implementation on the Windows side seems to be a mixed bag. It's not the first time I've left Apple and I'm sure they will lure me back again at some point (like they did with that 2006 MacPro). Until then I will be rocking a quiet Windows machine with some extra cash in my pocket.
You must be joking, my work issued Dell notebooks have all sounded like hairdryers - the fans even fire up under no load while idling. Garbage. Not saying yours suffers the same poor thermal design, but it’s clear that they aren’t all up to MBP standards. My enterprise developer Dell notebook is big, plastic, heavy, and loud.
Put the Dell keyboard on the MacBook and you have the perfect computer!
Seriously, Apple, you must increase the amount of keyboard travel on your machines.
I think the keyboard is just fine. Its really just a matter of choice really. There are people who didn't like the previous keyboard either you know...
A keyboard maybe a matter of choice, as you said. But in this case, Apple keyboard is not good. I work with devices from many brands, and you'll notice the difference.
I do as well and I have no problem using the first gen or second gen of Apple's new keyboards. Of course there's a difference, but that doesn't mean it's a terrible keyboard. It's a matter of choice. Like I said before, there were also people who didn't like the old style keyboard too. Just because the "me too" crowd wasn't in full force and didn't say they didn't like the previous gen keyboard doesn't mean everyone loved it.
Following that line, we can said that Apple trackpads aren't better than others. It's just a matter of preference, right?
Obviously.
Didn’t expect that, did you.
Preferences for keyboards, mice, trackpads, headphones, cars, guns and battleships are all subjective.
I agree. Some people may prefer a good trackpad over another good trackpad. Or a good headphone over another good headphone. But I don't think someone prefer a bad keyboard over a good one. And based in the feedback, it looks like the MBP keyboard is not the best right now. But there are cases that may like it, like yours.
How many times does this need to be said: if you don’t like Apple kit then buy something else.
What about when someone likes macOS, but don't like the MBP keyboard. Does it have any other option? (And I don't consider Hackintosh an option).
You must be joking, my work issued Dell notebooks have all sounded like hairdryers - the fans even fire up under no load while idling. Garbage. Not saying yours suffers the same poor thermal design, but it’s clear that they aren’t all up to MBP standards. My enterprise developer Dell notebook is big, plastic, heavy, and loud.
No, out of the box the Dell is absolutely a hair dryer. A bios update helped a lot for the XPS 9570, and like I mentioned some under-volting and throttle manipulation fixed most of my fan issues. ( I know most Mac users don't want to deal with that kind of stuff). But like I also mentioned my 2017 MBP was a hair dryer. I can't see how the 2018 is any quieter since it's the same case design, same TDP now with more cores.
The clearest lesson of this article: if you are using FCPX, you don’t have any choice but a Mac, so get this Mac if you need portability (and an iMac Pro or such if you don’t need portability). Once again, some poor design choices on the part of Dell prevents what could otherwise be a “contender” for those few who are system-agnostic from buying the Dell. That’s what happens when you don’t hire any actual “designers,” Michael.
This also reinforces my argument that if you want a high-performing Windows machine, you’re going to pay around the same price as a Mac. With this particular Dell, you get more value in a few areas, but significantly less value overall. Finally, Mac users who like/prefer Premiere Pro should really be calling out Adobe over the terrible performance of the program on the Mac platform. It’s like Adobe wants to give away its video editor business to Final Cut.
A Dell XPS 15 that runs Mac OS, doesn't have that stupid LCD touchbar, and has all the ports I want so I don't need to carry a wad of adapters.
Perhaps Tim should buy Michael's company and combine the best...
Putting aside the usefulness of the touchbar for photo and video editing (just because you don’t use it doesn’t mean it’s useless), you don’t have to carry “a wad of adapters,” as you’d know if you ever actually looked at/used a TB3 MBP. You need ONE adapter — TB3 to USB-A in your case — or a cheap hub that features all the ports you want and will cost (depending on how obscure the ports you require are) anywhere between $25 (three USB-A, USB-C passthrough, SD card reader), to $80 (throw in HDMI output) to $200-300 (a full-blown TB3 dock with 87W of power and all the bells and whistles). Maybe do some research before commenting next time.
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What about when someone likes macOS, but don't like the MBP keyboard. Does it have any other option? (And I don't consider Hackintosh an option).
No, out of the box the Dell is absolutely a hair dryer. A bios update helped a lot for the XPS 9570, and like I mentioned some under-volting and throttle manipulation fixed most of my fan issues. ( I know most Mac users don't want to deal with that kind of stuff). But like I also mentioned my 2017 MBP was a hair dryer. I can't see how the 2018 is any quieter since it's the same case design, same TDP now with more cores.
This also reinforces my argument that if you want a high-performing Windows machine, you’re going to pay around the same price as a Mac. With this particular Dell, you get more value in a few areas, but significantly less value overall. Finally, Mac users who like/prefer Premiere Pro should really be calling out Adobe over the terrible performance of the program on the Mac platform. It’s like Adobe wants to give away its video editor business to Final Cut.