Android collects nearly 10 times more user data than Apple's iOS

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  • Reply 21 of 49
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,930member
    THIS, is just one of the MANY reasons I stay away from that cesspool of BS known as Alphabet Inc, formerly only known as Google... And it is also why I do not have ANY Google apps on my mobile devices, do not use ANY Google services, and make every active attempt to block any and all things Google with ad-blockers on EVERYTHING!
    I'm with you Magman...I'm seriously considering (after backing up) of doing a factory reset on all my devices before loading the new OS's on my Se, AppleWatch, iPad and MacBook. Start with a clean slate. And then only loading a minimal amount of Apps and nothing Google or MS.

    Thinking about changing my email address and every password using KeyChain, too.

    Maybe a lot of unnecessary work, but it'll make me feel better. :)

    Best.
    That's cute. You think your apple watch, phone, computer need *extra* software to spy on you? Your watch reports how fit you are. how often you breathe.. and it requires an internet connection for some reason. I'm sure apple would never use/sell your data. ;D
    Neither Apple nor Google sells your data. They both judiciously guard it. 

    Where did you see an Apple Watch requires an internet connection? Did you get that confused with requiring both wifi and bluetooth to be enabled in order to use all the services? I'm thinking so. 
    edited August 2018
  • Reply 22 of 49
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 3,798moderator
    That name change boosted that company's valuation immensely. Big investors practically went crazy over that name change.
    Because Wall Street was happy that Google finally admitted its complicity with the alphabet agencies? What does the name have to do with anything?
    Google services will remain and prosper and keep the company's valuation much higher than Apple's valuation.
    Except… it’s lower.

    Value and valuation are two different things.  Google’s valuation, as measured by P/E ratio as one example, is 52x whereas Apple has a 19x P/E.  Other valuation metrics give the nod to Google too, as well as MSFT, NFLX, AMZN, BABA, and many more story stocks.  

    Appls trumps them all in actual value.  
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 23 of 49
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,930member
    Rayz2016 said:

    maestro64 said:
    But, but, but, Google's EULA says they do not do this kind of things, this must be mistake Google claims they do not collect information.
    Google has never claimed they don’t collect information. They claim that they safeguard your data. 

    My problem is that the company is happy to use trickery to harvest data, so why should I trust them to safeguard it?
    Because they can make a lot more money by doing both really well?
    edited August 2018 muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 24 of 49
    THIS, is just one of the MANY reasons I stay away from that cesspool of BS known as Alphabet Inc, formerly only known as Google... And it is also why I do not have ANY Google apps on my mobile devices, do not use ANY Google services, and make every active attempt to block any and all things Google with ad-blockers on EVERYTHING!
    I'm with you Magman...I'm seriously considering (after backing up) of doing a factory reset on all my devices before loading the new OS's on my Se, AppleWatch, iPad and MacBook. Start with a clean slate. And then only loading a minimal amount of Apps and nothing Google or MS.

    Thinking about changing my email address and every password using KeyChain, too.

    Maybe a lot of unnecessary work, but it'll make me feel better. :)

    Best.
    That's cute. You think your apple watch, phone, computer need *extra* software to spy on you? Your watch reports how fit you are. how often you breathe.. and it requires an internet connection for some reason. I'm sure apple would never use/sell your data. ;D

    That's cute. Yet another 1-post troll shows up at AI.


    While people like to talk about HOW MUCH data companies collect the real issue is WHAT THEY DO with that data. A company that monetizes your data, and makes 90% of their revenues off your data, is not to be trusted. What will Google do with your data if their revenue stream is suddenly threatened in some way (perhaps by government legislation, for example)? Do you think they'll be happy seeing their revenues drop by billions and billions of dollars? Or will they "modify" how they collect and what they use data for to ensure the money keeps rolling in?

    This is why Google, for example, exploited an issue in Safari to continue tracking even when people didn't want to be tracked. Or tracks your location when people think their settings are preventing tracking. They have already shown their true colors. They have no qualms about resorting to shady practices to protect their data/revenue. I see no reason to believe they won't continue to do so in the future.
    magman1979tmaychristopher126claire1watto_cobrawilliamlondonlostkiwi
  • Reply 25 of 49
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,930member
    The elephant in the rooms asks you if Apple still notes your location "when people think their settings are preventing tracking."? Granted it may be for different reasons in part, both of them needing to use location to "improve their services and features" with Google having a far larger emphasis on the ad targeting aspect it also improves. 

    According to Apple "disable Location Services at any time. To do so, open Settings on your iPhone, tap Privacy, tap Location Services, and either turn off the global Location Services switch or turn off the individual location switch of each location-aware app or feature by setting it to “Never”.  While technically correct since it's limited to "Location Services" it is a bit deceptive IMO in that users may erroneously think that their location is no longer being logged once the global switch is set to off. That was the initial complaint about Google noting location even if also technically accurate. Toggling off the obvious setting didn't entirely turn off ALL location logging and some folks properly found that to be deceptive.

    Not right for one, and IMO it's not right, should mean not right for the other. What do you think @ericthehalfbee @MacPro ;
    edited August 2018
  • Reply 26 of 49
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,930member
    MacPro said:
    Can you imagine the actual usefulness of most of that data considering the userbase?  It's no wonder Google tries so hard to entice iOS and macOS users into their web (no pun intended).
    At least in practice the data used for ads isn't using individuals and their personal information. You're lumped in a basket with a whole lot of others ( sidenote: So does Apple for ad purposes), and using three different "anonymization" algorithms to maintain user privacy: k-anonymity, l-diversity, and differential privacy. Your personal information is never exposed.

    Many here might be familiar with differential privacy as Apple has been making use of it for some services and we tend to be more "in-touch" with what's going on than common users. For the other two a simple web search will explain what those are,  how they help mask individuals, and their effectiveness. 
    edited August 2018
  • Reply 27 of 49
    steven n.steven n. Posts: 1,229member
    That name change boosted that company's valuation immensely. Big investors practically went crazy over that name change.
    Because Wall Street was happy that Google finally admitted its complicity with the alphabet agencies? What does the name have to do with anything?
    Google services will remain and prosper and keep the company's valuation much higher than Apple's valuation.
    Except… it’s lower.

    I think the OP was meaning to indicate the relative valuation based on revenue/profit. Google has a nose bleeding PE (past) of 52 where Apple's is around 19.
    tallest skilclaire1watto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 49
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Value and valuation are two different things.  Google’s valuation, as measured by P/E ratio as one example, is 52x whereas Apple has a 19x P/E.  Other valuation metrics give the nod to Google too, as well as MSFT, NFLX, AMZN, BABA, and many more story stocks.  

    Appls trumps them all in actual value.  
    Oh sure; that makes sense, then. Wasn’t there a guy here, many years back, who got a good laugh out of Amazon’s P/E being in the high thousands? Something makes me think he died… anyway, I’ll be quite happy when he’s proven right.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 29 of 49
    magman1979magman1979 Posts: 1,288member
    THIS, is just one of the MANY reasons I stay away from that cesspool of BS known as Alphabet Inc, formerly only known as Google... And it is also why I do not have ANY Google apps on my mobile devices, do not use ANY Google services, and make every active attempt to block any and all things Google with ad-blockers on EVERYTHING!
    I'm with you Magman...I'm seriously considering (after backing up) of doing a factory reset on all my devices before loading the new OS's on my Se, AppleWatch, iPad and MacBook. Start with a clean slate. And then only loading a minimal amount of Apps and nothing Google or MS.

    Thinking about changing my email address and every password using KeyChain, too.

    Maybe a lot of unnecessary work, but it'll make me feel better. :)

    Best.
    That's cute. You think your apple watch, phone, computer need *extra* software to spy on you? Your watch reports how fit you are. how often you breathe.. and it requires an internet connection for some reason. I'm sure apple would never use/sell your data. ;D
    Oh look, another 1-post troll coming to provide anti-Apple drivel, and knows nothing about the topic being discussed!

    Move along back to BGR troll!
    claire1watto_cobrawilliamlondon
  • Reply 30 of 49
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,930member
    THIS, is just one of the MANY reasons I stay away from that cesspool of BS known as Alphabet Inc, formerly only known as Google... And it is also why I do not have ANY Google apps on my mobile devices, do not use ANY Google services, and make every active attempt to block any and all things Google with ad-blockers on EVERYTHING!
    I'm with you Magman...I'm seriously considering (after backing up) of doing a factory reset on all my devices before loading the new OS's on my Se, AppleWatch, iPad and MacBook. Start with a clean slate. And then only loading a minimal amount of Apps and nothing Google or MS.

    Thinking about changing my email address and every password using KeyChain, too.

    Maybe a lot of unnecessary work, but it'll make me feel better. :)

    Best.
    That's cute. You think your apple watch, phone, computer need *extra* software to spy on you? Your watch reports how fit you are. how often you breathe.. and it requires an internet connection for some reason. I'm sure apple would never use/sell your data. ;D
    Oh look, another 1-post troll coming to provide anti-Apple drivel, and knows nothing about the topic being discussed!

    Move along back to BGR troll!
    See post 21....

     When you resort to name-calling without actually disputing what was said all you accomplish is reinforcing the OP's beliefs, so then that FUD simply gets repeated somewhere else framed as fact. If effect you're giving blood to FUD by being lazy and doing just the opposite of what you should IMHO.

    ...but do whatever you like. I just think you could do better. 
    edited August 2018
  • Reply 31 of 49
    gatorguy said:
    THIS, is just one of the MANY reasons I stay away from that cesspool of BS known as Alphabet Inc, formerly only known as Google... And it is also why I do not have ANY Google apps on my mobile devices, do not use ANY Google services, and make every active attempt to block any and all things Google with ad-blockers on EVERYTHING!
    I'm with you Magman...I'm seriously considering (after backing up) of doing a factory reset on all my devices before loading the new OS's on my Se, AppleWatch, iPad and MacBook. Start with a clean slate. And then only loading a minimal amount of Apps and nothing Google or MS.

    Thinking about changing my email address and every password using KeyChain, too.

    Maybe a lot of unnecessary work, but it'll make me feel better. :)

    Best.
    That's cute. You think your apple watch, phone, computer need *extra* software to spy on you? Your watch reports how fit you are. how often you breathe.. and it requires an internet connection for some reason. I'm sure apple would never use/sell your data. ;D
    Oh look, another 1-post troll coming to provide anti-Apple drivel, and knows nothing about the topic being discussed!

    Move along back to BGR troll!
    See post 21....

     When you resort to name-calling without actually disputing what was said all you accomplish is reinforcing the OP's beliefs, so then that FUD simply gets repeated somewhere else framed as fact. If effect you're giving blood to FUD by being lazy and doing just the opposite of what you should IMHO.

    ...but do whatever you like.

    Damn right I'll do whatever I like. As in continue to call out liars and trolls on AI.


    gatorguy said:
    The elephant in the rooms asks you if Apple still notes your location "when people think their settings are preventing tracking."? Granted it may be for different reasons in part, both of them needing to use location to "improve their services and features" with Google having a far larger emphasis on the ad targeting aspect it also improves. 

    According to Apple "disable Location Services at any time. To do so, open Settings on your iPhone, tap Privacy, tap Location Services, and either turn off the global Location Services switch or turn off the individual location switch of each location-aware app or feature by setting it to “Never”.  While technically correct since it's limited to "Location Services" it is a bit deceptive IMO in that users may erroneously think that their location is no longer being logged once the global switch is set to off. That was the initial complaint about Google noting location even if also technically accurate. Toggling off the obvious setting didn't entirely turn off ALL location logging and some folks properly found that to be deceptive.

    Not right for one, and IMO it's not right, should mean not right for the other. What do you think @ericthehalfbee @MacPro ;

    No elephant in the room at all, despite your continued attempts to try and make this an issue about collecting data when it's really about the ACTUAL USAGE of that data. In this area Apple and Google are completely opposite.
    claire1watto_cobrawilliamlondonlostkiwi
  • Reply 32 of 49
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,930member
    gatorguy said:
    THIS, is just one of the MANY reasons I stay away from that cesspool of BS known as Alphabet Inc, formerly only known as Google... And it is also why I do not have ANY Google apps on my mobile devices, do not use ANY Google services, and make every active attempt to block any and all things Google with ad-blockers on EVERYTHING!
    I'm with you Magman...I'm seriously considering (after backing up) of doing a factory reset on all my devices before loading the new OS's on my Se, AppleWatch, iPad and MacBook. Start with a clean slate. And then only loading a minimal amount of Apps and nothing Google or MS.

    Thinking about changing my email address and every password using KeyChain, too.

    Maybe a lot of unnecessary work, but it'll make me feel better. :)

    Best.
    That's cute. You think your apple watch, phone, computer need *extra* software to spy on you? Your watch reports how fit you are. how often you breathe.. and it requires an internet connection for some reason. I'm sure apple would never use/sell your data. ;D
    Oh look, another 1-post troll coming to provide anti-Apple drivel, and knows nothing about the topic being discussed!

    Move along back to BGR troll!
    See post 21....

     When you resort to name-calling without actually disputing what was said all you accomplish is reinforcing the OP's beliefs, so then that FUD simply gets repeated somewhere else framed as fact. If effect you're giving blood to FUD by being lazy and doing just the opposite of what you should IMHO.

    ...but do whatever you like.

    Damn right I'll do whatever I like. As in continue to call out liars and trolls on AI.


    gatorguy said:
    The elephant in the rooms asks you if Apple still notes your location "when people think their settings are preventing tracking."? Granted it may be for different reasons in part, both of them needing to use location to "improve their services and features" with Google having a far larger emphasis on the ad targeting aspect it also improves. 

    According to Apple "disable Location Services at any time. To do so, open Settings on your iPhone, tap Privacy, tap Location Services, and either turn off the global Location Services switch or turn off the individual location switch of each location-aware app or feature by setting it to “Never”.  While technically correct since it's limited to "Location Services" it is a bit deceptive IMO in that users may erroneously think that their location is no longer being logged once the global switch is set to off. That was the initial complaint about Google noting location even if also technically accurate. Toggling off the obvious setting didn't entirely turn off ALL location logging and some folks properly found that to be deceptive.

    Not right for one, and IMO it's not right, should mean not right for the other. What do you think @ericthehalfbee @MacPro ;

    No elephant in the room at all, despite your continued attempts to try and make this an issue about collecting data when it's really about the ACTUAL USAGE of that data. In this area Apple and Google are completely opposite.
    That may be YOUR issue. It's not the primary issue in either the lawsuit, or when first reported by the AP, or even in the subsequent articles about it. 

    But yes I get that you just don't want to talk about it, and I totally get why.  Honesty has its own costs eh, and you're just not willing to pay this one. 

    BTW that first quote was is a post replying to Magman1979 and not you. I would not have bothered offering you that advice as IMO it would have been a waste of typing. Magman may understand it. 
    edited August 2018
  • Reply 33 of 49
    cjcoopscjcoops Posts: 107member
    gatorguy said:
    See post 21....


     When you resort to name-calling without actually disputing what was said all you accomplish is reinforcing the OP's beliefs, so then that FUD simply gets repeated somewhere else framed as fact. If effect you're giving blood to FUD by being lazy and doing just the opposite of what you should IMHO.

    ...but do whatever you like. I just think you could do better. 

    Defend this then...

     "Google could continue to collect personal data from users, even if they use the incognito mode in the Chrome web browser, a study has found."


    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/google-chrome-incognito-mode-personal-data-private-browser-a8502386.html

     "A researcher from Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, discovered that Google could retroactively link a person's private browsing to the usernames and account information they use online. "While such data is collected with user-anonymous identifiers, Google has the ability to connect this collected information with a user's personal credentials stored in their Google Account," the study states. "
    edited August 2018 watto_cobrawilliamlondon
  • Reply 34 of 49
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,930member
    cjcoops said:
    gatorguy said:
    See post 21....


     When you resort to name-calling without actually disputing what was said all you accomplish is reinforcing the OP's beliefs, so then that FUD simply gets repeated somewhere else framed as fact. If effect you're giving blood to FUD by being lazy and doing just the opposite of what you should IMHO.

    ...but do whatever you like. I just think you could do better. 

    Defend this then...

     "Google could continue to collect personal data from users, even if they use the incognito mode in the Chrome web browser, a study has found."


    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/google-chrome-incognito-mode-personal-data-private-browser-a8502386.html

     "A researcher from Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, discovered that Google could retroactively link a person's private browsing to the usernames and account information they use online. "While such data is collected with user-anonymous identifiers, Google has the ability to connect this collected information with a user's personal credentials stored in their Google Account," the study states. "
    Google tells you when you launch "Incognito mode" that it does not make you invisible. It doesn't take "a researcher" to figure that out. 

    You’ve gone incognito

    Now you can browse privately, and other people who use this device won’t see your activity. However, downloads and bookmarks will be saved. Learn more

    Chrome won’t save the following information:
    • Your browsing history
    • Cookies and site data
    • Information entered in forms
    Your activity might still be visible to:
    • Websites you visit
    • Your employer or school
    • Your internet service provider
    edited August 2018
  • Reply 35 of 49
    blah64blah64 Posts: 993member
    gatorguy said:
    The elephant in the rooms asks you if Apple still notes your location "when people think their settings are preventing tracking."? Granted it may be for different reasons in part, both of them needing to use location to "improve their services and features" with Google having a far larger emphasis on the ad targeting aspect it also improves. 

    According to Apple "disable Location Services at any time. To do so, open Settings on your iPhone, tap Privacy, tap Location Services, and either turn off the global Location Services switch or turn off the individual location switch of each location-aware app or feature by setting it to “Never”.  While technically correct since it's limited to "Location Services" it is a bit deceptive IMO in that users may erroneously think that their location is no longer being logged once the global switch is set to off. That was the initial complaint about Google noting location even if also technically accurate. Toggling off the obvious setting didn't entirely turn off ALL location logging and some folks properly found that to be deceptive.

    Not right for one, and IMO it's not right, should mean not right for the other. What do you think @ericthehalfbee @MacPro ;
    You mentioned this before, but either you're saying something that isn't true, or I'm completely misunderstanding what you're saying. 
    users may erroneously think that their location is no longer being logged once the global switch is set to off.
    When you go into Settings -> Privacy and turn of Location Services on an iPhone, that does indeed disable ALL location tracking, including sending data to Apple.

    The only exception is when you call 9-1-1, because all mobile devices are required by law to pass location.  Also, if you enable FindMyPhone's Lost Mode location data will be made available, but that is because you explicitly turned on location reporting for your device, just remotely.

    Apple clearly states in their Location Services & Privacy "To use features such as these, you must enable Location Services on your iPhone and give your permission to each app or website before it can use your location data".  The "and" is italicized in their own copy.  Have you never actually looked at the Settings -> Privacy -> Location Services section on an iPhone? 

    This is completely different from google/android's system, where you flip the master switch to No and your location is still being tracked and sent back to the mother ship because it's an either/or design.  Why are you trying to make it sound like they're the same?

    watto_cobralostkiwi
  • Reply 36 of 49
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,930member
    blah64 said:
    gatorguy said:
    The elephant in the rooms asks you if Apple still notes your location "when people think their settings are preventing tracking."? Granted it may be for different reasons in part, both of them needing to use location to "improve their services and features" with Google having a far larger emphasis on the ad targeting aspect it also improves. 

    According to Apple "disable Location Services at any time. To do so, open Settings on your iPhone, tap Privacy, tap Location Services, and either turn off the global Location Services switch or turn off the individual location switch of each location-aware app or feature by setting it to “Never”.  While technically correct since it's limited to "Location Services" it is a bit deceptive IMO in that users may erroneously think that their location is no longer being logged once the global switch is set to off. That was the initial complaint about Google noting location even if also technically accurate. Toggling off the obvious setting didn't entirely turn off ALL location logging and some folks properly found that to be deceptive.

    Not right for one, and IMO it's not right, should mean not right for the other. What do you think @ericthehalfbee @MacPro ;
    You mentioned this before, but either you're saying something that isn't true, or I'm completely misunderstanding what you're saying. 
    users may erroneously think that their location is no longer being logged once the global switch is set to off.
    When you go into Settings -> Privacy and turn of Location Services on an iPhone, that does indeed disable ALL location tracking, including sending data to Apple.

    The only exception is when you call 9-1-1, because all mobile devices are required by law to pass location.  Also, if you enable FindMyPhone's Lost Mode location data will be made available, but that is because you explicitly turned on location reporting for your device, just remotely.

    Apple clearly states in their Location Services & Privacy "To use features such as these, you must enable Location Services on your iPhone and give your permission to each app or website before it can use your location data".  The "and" is italicized in their own copy.  Have you never actually looked at the Settings -> Privacy -> Location Services section on an iPhone? 

    This is completely different from google/android's system, where you flip the master switch to No and your location is still being tracked and sent back to the mother ship because it's an either/or design.  Why are you trying to make it sound like they're the same?

    Well you are the very first person willing to discuss it. Thanks Blah.

    Yes I've looked at an iPhone's privacy settings.

    Does turning off the global "Location Services" toggle on your iPhone also automatically disable "Significant Locations" (formerly Frequent Locations and used in Apple Maps for instance) found under "System Services"? Does it also stop location logging when you use your device's Safari browser? And after "Location Services" have been disabled, your preferences for revealing your location noted, and using your Safari browser will Apple no longer try to figure out where you are even using geo-location services which can be accurate to as much as city level if not more, in order to deliver "more relevant search results and services"? (where have we heard that phrase before...)

    Those would be some answers others would also be interested in.  So far everyone else has avoided it. If the answers are all "Yes" then no idea why so many are avoiding saying so. 

    EDIT: As it's now about two hours later I'll guess those were tougher questions than you originally thought? 
    edited August 2018
  • Reply 37 of 49
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,042member
    Rayz2016 said:

    maestro64 said:
    But, but, but, Google's EULA says they do not do this kind of things, this must be mistake Google claims they do not collect information.
    Google has never claimed they don’t collect information. They claim that they safeguard your data. 

    My problem is that the company is happy to use trickery to harvest data, so why should I trust them to safeguard it?
    I know that, I have been saying that for long time, my comment was direct at someone who will stay namely who thinks they do not do these things since the EULA claims they do not do these things.
  • Reply 38 of 49
    frantisek said:
    We have saying: there is water boiling for every pig.
    Now that's funny made me laugh! :)

  • Reply 39 of 49

    THIS, is just one of the MANY reasons I stay away from that cesspool of BS known as Alphabet Inc, formerly only known as Google... And it is also why I do not have ANY Google apps on my mobile devices, do not use ANY Google services, and make every active attempt to block any and all things Google with ad-blockers on EVERYTHING!
    I'm with you Magman...I'm seriously considering (after backing up) of doing a factory reset on all my devices before loading the new OS's on my Se, AppleWatch, iPad and MacBook. Start with a clean slate. And then only loading a minimal amount of Apps and nothing Google or MS.

    Thinking about changing my email address and every password using KeyChain, too.

    Maybe a lot of unnecessary work, but it'll make me feel better. :)

    Best.
    That's cute. You think your apple watch, phone, computer need *extra* software to spy on you? Your watch reports how fit you are. how often you breathe.. and it requires an internet connection for some reason. I'm sure apple would never use/sell your data. ;D
    Hmmmm...I'm thinking they don't. :)
  • Reply 40 of 49
    THIS, is just one of the MANY reasons I stay away from that cesspool of BS known as Alphabet Inc, formerly only known as Google... And it is also why I do not have ANY Google apps on my mobile devices, do not use ANY Google services, and make every active attempt to block any and all things Google with ad-blockers on EVERYTHING!
    I'm with you Magman...I'm seriously considering (after backing up) of doing a factory reset on all my devices before loading the new OS's on my Se, AppleWatch, iPad and MacBook. Start with a clean slate. And then only loading a minimal amount of Apps and nothing Google or MS.

    Thinking about changing my email address and every password using KeyChain, too.

    Maybe a lot of unnecessary work, but it'll make me feel better. :)

    Best.
    That's cute. You think your apple watch, phone, computer need *extra* software to spy on you? Your watch reports how fit you are. how often you breathe.. and it requires an internet connection for some reason. I'm sure apple would never use/sell your data. ;D

    That's cute. Yet another 1-post troll shows up at AI.


    While people like to talk about HOW MUCH data companies collect the real issue is WHAT THEY DO with that data. A company that monetizes your data, and makes 90% of their revenues off your data, is not to be trusted. What will Google do with your data if their revenue stream is suddenly threatened in some way (perhaps by government legislation, for example)? Do you think they'll be happy seeing their revenues drop by billions and billions of dollars? Or will they "modify" how they collect and what they use data for to ensure the money keeps rolling in?

    This is why Google, for example, exploited an issue in Safari to continue tracking even when people didn't want to be tracked. Or tracks your location when people think their settings are preventing tracking. They have already shown their true colors. They have no qualms about resorting to shady practices to protect their data/revenue. I see no reason to believe they won't continue to do so in the future.
    Thanks for coming to my rescue, Eric (the HalfBee-Love it!). I'm happy to give Apple my info as far as health, running, etc., and I give Apple access to my devices b/c I trust them. They've never let me down. :)

    Best.
    claire1watto_cobra
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